Law & Order: Criminal Intent - General Discussion

[WendyCR72]

I do find it weird how WE always flips "On Fire" and "The Good". Deakins' actual last episode is the latter, but it appears WE prefers ending the Deakins era with G/E (understandable, since they had the longer history together!) before starting S6 in its rotation.

Still, though, it's just odd how "The Good" is always shown out of order for the above to happen!

[Xeliou66]

I agree it’s very odd how they show The Good before On Fire. I like the cases in both episodes, but as I’ve said before Deakins’ exit storyline leaves a bad taste in my mouth, it just made Deakins look weak whereas I always thought of him as a fighter. It was just not a good exit, and I really hate how Goren/Eames weren’t there to say goodbye to him at the end. 
The Reid family from On Fire are right up there near the top of the most dysfunctional families on CI and CI had plenty of them. That was just a creepy family dynamic, it’s a good episode. 

[Shadow Lass]

13 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Then "Blind Spot", which I do like if just because Bobby shows his scared human side, worrying about Alex... And I still ADORE that Alex saves HERSELF.

I read somewhere that Kathryn refused to do a story where she was kidnapped unless she was able to save herself...and this is one of my top favorites because of that.

[Xeliou66]

20 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

So the early morning marathon on WE sees the end of S5 with the dysfunctional Reid clan from "On Fire", a.k.a. stepmom and stepson and their kid.

Then "Blind Spot", which I do like if just because Bobby shows his scared human side, worrying about Alex... And I still ADORE that Alex saves HERSELF.

And then, another fucked-up family with Keith, his pervy doc dad, the teacher they both lust after, and Keith's icy mommy in the midst of Wheeler's debut in "Tru Love", with the late Anton Yelchin as Keith.

 

6 hours ago, Shadow Lass said:

I read somewhere that Kathryn refused to do a story where she was kidnapped unless she was able to save herself...and this is one of my top favorites because of that.

I don’t like Blind Spot much because it’s the start of CI becoming a soap opera and the start of the destruction of Goren, not to mention asshat Ross’ first episode. But I agree that it was nice that Eames rescued herself. 

[WendyCR72]

6 hours ago, Shadow Lass said:

I read somewhere that Kathryn refused to do a story where she was kidnapped unless she was able to save herself...and this is one of my top favorites because of that.

I can buy this. Good for Kathryn!

Not Mariska Hargitay's fault as she follows her script, but I hate how Olivia is CONSTANTLY victimized and brutalized and it's treated like a hangnail.

After so many close calls, she should have rampant PTSD.

So I'm glad that Kathryn stood her ground as far as Alex saving herself went.

[WendyCR72]

Well, despite its age, another channel is picking up airing the show. This time, it's Charge!.

While it is mainly an over-the-air channel, my cable company, Spectrum, carries it. From the page, it appears there will be a marathon of sorts to kick it off, starting from the beginning with "One" and going until 1:00 a.m. Monday morning.

It begins airing there on Sunday, October 1st, at noon ET. So if the later seasons on WE/Sundance aren't your favorite, or if you need something non-football on Sundays, here you go!

Just click the link in the first paragraph if you want to see if you get the channel and/or want to see the schedule. If you can't get it via cable [as I do] or over the air, per the website, it can also be accessed via Roku through the Stirr app and/or Sling, so plenty of options with this channel, it seems.

[Shadow Lass]

Yes, I saw this watching CSI: NY the other night. We get it over the air.

[Shadow Lass]

This is probably a weird rant, and forgive me if I mention SVU for a bit--bear with me, please!--but something I saw bothered me and tied in with the later season "soap opera" remarks about CI.

Have watched all of Mothership and CI; had seen only SVU here and there, including the last couple of season finales and premieres. But you can't hang out on the L&O Twitter feed without them going on and on and on about Benson/Stabler. I got curious: what's this pairing got going for it that everyone has an opinion on it? At first I tried to watch SVU on the rerun channels like Ion, but discovered very quickly that if you wanted to see Benson/Stabler episodes you had to catch it mornings or very early afternoons--EVERYTHING late afternoon/evening is post-Stabler (in fact sometimes it seems like it's seasons 16-21 exclusively). So SVU was running on Hulu and I started from the beginning.

Keep in mind the few times I have SEEN Stabler, whether originally on network or in these few reruns I've found, he's angry mad dog all the time, banging people against walls and such. So what a surprise to start with first season and discover an intense but surprisingly empathic and rational Elliot, with the little glimpses we get into his home life feeling very real: he sees terrible things happen to kids and he doesn't want it to happen to his. I recall several episodes where he is so nice to the victims, whether they be minors or women. I think there's at least one episode where the kid victim bonds to him. In the first and second season Benson is the newbie who learns the ropes, along with the characters who weren't cut out for SVU, Cassidy and later Jeffries (Michelle Hurd got robbed, IMHO). (I won't talk about Munch or Fin because this isn't an SVU topic.)

So as I'm waiting for this E/O thing to start to develop, by fifth season I'm starting to get disturbed and by sixth I definitely am. Because the intense-but-empathic Elliot eventually vanishes; instead of growing as a character like Benson does, Stabler actually regresses. All his empathy has apparently been transferred to Benson--by season 5 she's already making her little speeches. Why? Did the producers decide that a "seen just about every perversion" male detective couldn't also be empathic? That instead as a male he HAD to be operating with barely suppressed rage fueled by testosterone, this all expressed by banging people up against walls, while it's the "womanly" thing to be empathic, so now Benson gets to be the sympathetic one?

So I get to late in sixth season and the story, "Rage," where Elliot is interrogating a rapist who got away the first time. It's a cat-and-mouse thing (good episode), and at one point the perp calls Elliot "a whack job." My mouth just dropped open.

Because the first thing I thought was: is THIS why we got sixth and seventh season Bobby Goren (not to mention it creeping into ninth and the whole therapy thing in tenth)???? Were they trying to turn him into another Elliot Stabler? Did the producers feel that having another empathic male--thinking of the victims Bobby was so gentle with like Robbie Bishop and Maggie Colter--wasn't realistic and so now Goren ALSO had to be another male detective who was disliked and considered a jerk by the other cops (rather than just being offbeat in his methods), with rage just simmering under the surface due to his "anger issues"? Were they trying to mess with Bobby's character like they did with Elliot's?

Maybe I'm talking through my hat, but the whole degeneration of Stabler thing just hit me like a bolt of lightning. As far as I'm concerned, it's like they knocked down Stabler to build up Benson, and if Stabler became the role model for Goren's personality twist, I resent the hell out of it.

[Xeliou66]

27 minutes ago, Shadow Lass said:

This is probably a weird rant, and forgive me if I mention SVU for a bit--bear with me, please!--but something I saw bothered me and tied in with the later season "soap opera" remarks about CI.

Have watched all of Mothership and CI; had seen only SVU here and there, including the last couple of season finales and premieres. But you can't hang out on the L&O Twitter feed without them going on and on and on about Benson/Stabler. I got curious: what's this pairing got going for it that everyone has an opinion on it? At first I tried to watch SVU on the rerun channels like Ion, but discovered very quickly that if you wanted to see Benson/Stabler episodes you had to catch it mornings or very early afternoons--EVERYTHING late afternoon/evening is post-Stabler (in fact sometimes it seems like it's seasons 16-21 exclusively). So SVU was running on Hulu and I started from the beginning.

Keep in mind the few times I have SEEN Stabler, whether originally on network or in these few reruns I've found, he's angry mad dog all the time, banging people against walls and such. So what a surprise to start with first season and discover an intense but surprisingly empathic and rational Elliot, with the little glimpses we get into his home life feeling very real: he sees terrible things happen to kids and he doesn't want it to happen to his. I recall several episodes where he is so nice to the victims, whether they be minors or women. I think there's at least one episode where the kid victim bonds to him. In the first and second season Benson is the newbie who learns the ropes, along with the characters who weren't cut out for SVU, Cassidy and later Jeffries (Michelle Hurd got robbed, IMHO). (I won't talk about Munch or Fin because this isn't an SVU topic.)

So as I'm waiting for this E/O thing to start to develop, by fifth season I'm starting to get disturbed and by sixth I definitely am. Because the intense-but-empathic Elliot eventually vanishes; instead of growing as a character like Benson does, Stabler actually regresses. All his empathy has apparently been transferred to Benson--by season 5 she's already making her little speeches. Why? Did the producers decide that a "seen just about every perversion" male detective couldn't also be empathic? That instead as a male he HAD to be operating with barely suppressed rage fueled by testosterone, this all expressed by banging people up against walls, while it's the "womanly" thing to be empathic, so now Benson gets to be the sympathetic one?

So I get to late in sixth season and the story, "Rage," where Elliot is interrogating a rapist who got away the first time. It's a cat-and-mouse thing (good episode), and at one point the perp calls Elliot "a whack job." My mouth just dropped open.

Because the first thing I thought was: is THIS why we got sixth and seventh season Bobby Goren (not to mention it creeping into ninth and the whole therapy thing in tenth)???? Were they trying to turn him into another Elliot Stabler? Did the producers feel that having another empathic male--thinking of the victims Bobby was so gentle with like Robbie Bishop and Maggie Colter--wasn't realistic and so now Goren ALSO had to be another male detective who was disliked and considered a jerk by the other cops (rather than just being offbeat in his methods), with rage just simmering under the surface due to his "anger issues"? Were they trying to mess with Bobby's character like they did with Elliot's?

Maybe I'm talking through my hat, but the whole degeneration of Stabler thing just hit me like a bolt of lightning. As far as I'm concerned, it's like they knocked down Stabler to build up Benson, and if Stabler became the role model for Goren's personality twist, I resent the hell out of it.

I’ve never connected that, Goren and Stabler are very different characters, but I’ve commented many times on how much I hate what they did to Goren in seasons 6-7, it was bizarre how out of nowhere they gave him a ton of personal baggage, took away his mojo and liveliness, and had people thinking he’s a “whack job” instead of an excellent detective. It was just a terrible decision, and I have no idea why they tried to make the show a soap opera. I agree with your rant about Stabler and how he got angrier and devolved some as the show went on, they did damage to his character as well. 
I think Stabler/Benson get talked about way too much - there are so many great characters in the franchise, why do Benson/Stabler get all of the attention? I think it’s because SVU is a sensationalist soap opera now, with the romance angle as well, while the Mothership and for the most part CI are all about the cases. What gets talked about is the sensationalist soapy stuff, and that’s what SVU specializes in. 
The Mothership revival has been a mixed bag but one positive of it is that it keeps the Mothership alive and introduces it to new fans, I feel like since SVU was the only L&O on for so long some people forgot about the others. 

[WendyCR72]

I do recall as far back as the SVU pilot, where Stabler was actually sort of warning about Benson ironically getting too involved, and there was a nod given to how detectives do not stay in SVU too long due to burnout. (More irony, considering.)

So, I choose to think TPTB decided to make Elliot that burnout.

I don't think Bobby was meant to be another Elliot. They clearly had different backgrounds and upbringings. I think Warren Leight just wanted more dramaaaaaaaa, so Bobby went from capable and quirky to the whackjob that the brass hated. Which is a big trope on many a cop show. Shrug.

And I don't think that empathy ever really left Bobby. Yes, his personal demons got in the way, but his speech in S10 to Elise Clark when talking to her as she sat in the jail cell about how he thought victims needed an advocate, not to mention in therapy, how he was angry on Vanessa Colway's behalf because of her user father, how "she does everything for him and he does nothing for her. He's a piece of..." as he trailed off, leading to talk of his own father [and his omission of Brady as he delicately tap danced around that!].

Bobby grew tired, but unlike Elliot, I still got the sense that Bobby still cared deeply and that weariness and bitterness hadn't yet bested him as it did to Stabler.

I clearly think too much about these characters and their motivations. LOL! But hey, TV board! 😋

And as for Benson/Stabler, I don't get the hype there at all and sort of resent the be-all, end-all they get. I think the Mothership and CI and Goren/Eames are just as good, if not better. Shrug. But mileage and whatnot.

[peacheslatour]

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And as for Benson/Stabler, I don't get the hype there at all and sort of resent the be-all, end-all they get. I think the Mothership and CI and Goren/Eames are just as good, if not better. Shrug. But mileage and whatnot.

You're always going the have shippers. I find every one of them annoying, whether they be E/O shippers or Seigfried/Mrs. Hall shippers on All Creatures or Ross/Rachel on Friends.

[Xeliou66]

6 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I do recall as far back as the SVU pilot, where Stabler was actually sort of warning about Benson ironically getting too involved, and there was a nod given to how detectives do not stay in SVU too long due to burnout. (More irony, considering.)

So, I choose to think TPTB decided to make Elliot that burnout.

I don't think Bobby was meant to be another Elliot. They clearly had different backgrounds and upbringings. I think Warren Leight just wanted more dramaaaaaaaa, so Bobby went from capable and quirky to the whackjob that the brass hated. Which is a big trope on many a cop show. Shrug.

And I don't think that empathy ever really left Bobby. Yes, his personal demons got in the way, but his speech in S10 to Elise Clark when talking to her as she sat in the jail cell about how he thought victims needed an advocate, not to mention in therapy, how he was angry on Vanessa Colway's behalf because of her user father, how "she does everything for him and he does nothing for her. He's a piece of..." as he trailed off, leading to talk of his own father [and his omission of Brady as he delicately tap danced around that!].

Bobby grew tired, but unlike Elliot, I still got the sense that Bobby still cared deeply and that weariness and bitterness hadn't yet bested him as it did to Stabler.

I clearly think too much about these characters and their motivations. LOL! But hey, TV board! 😋

And as for Benson/Stabler, I don't get the hype there at all and sort of resent the be-all, end-all they get. I think the Mothership and CI and Goren/Eames are just as good, if not better. Shrug. But mileage and whatnot.

Yeah I agree that Goren never lost his compassion and empathy, and I agree that the new showrunner just wanted more melodrama so that’s why they did what they did with Goren. It pisses me off that they went down that route with Goren and it’s why I don’t consider those seasons nearly as good as the others. And it made no sense that the higher ups disliked Goren - yes Goren was kind of unusual but he closed a lot of big cases, it would seem like the higher ups would love having someone like him around. It just didn’t make sense to me.       
I totally agree about Benson and Stabler getting way too much of the glory and attention, and like I said I think it’s because modern day SVU specializes in more soapy, more sensationalistic storylines over just having regular cases. I prefer the regular cases, which is why the Mothership is my favorite, and CI deserves a lot more recognition than it gets IMO. Yes Stabler/Benson have been a part of many great SVU episodes but the other shows are just as good and there are a lot of characters I like better than Stabler and Benson, I have issues with both of them, particularly with the Olivia Benson of modern day SVU. 

[Xeliou66]

2 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

You're always going the have shippers. I find every one of them annoying, whether they be E/O shippers or Seigfried/Mrs. Hall shippers on All Creatures or Ross/Rachel on Friends.

The die hard shippers are annoying IMO - I’m fine with people shipping whoever they feel but when they start insulting people who don’t support their ship is when they become very irritating. The Benson/Stabler shippers on SVU are some of the worst about this, some of them go bonkers if anyone is against their ship, and the writers seem completely on board with the ship and love to pander to them, and then when the writers don’t do everything the shippers want they go nuts. It’s very frustrating that SVU has become a soapy romance show now basically, it’s not at all what the franchise is supposed to be about. I know some people shipped Goren/Eames on CI, and I thought the writers did a good job of ending CI in a way that didn’t go soapy but didn’t completely discount the idea of a possible relationship in the future between Goren/Eames, it was a good ending for all fans of the characters, whether they were “shippers” or not. Unfortunately SVU has gone full blown fanfic soap opera. 

[wknt3]

17 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I’ve never connected that, Goren and Stabler are very different characters, but I’ve commented many times on how much I hate what they did to Goren in seasons 6-7, it was bizarre how out of nowhere they gave him a ton of personal baggage, took away his mojo and liveliness, and had people thinking he’s a “whack job” instead of an excellent detective. It was just a terrible decision, and I have no idea why they tried to make the show a soap opera.

 

12 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I don't think Bobby was meant to be another Elliot. They clearly had different backgrounds and upbringings. I think Warren Leight just wanted more dramaaaaaaaa, so Bobby went from capable and quirky to the whackjob that the brass hated. Which is a big trope on many a cop show. Shrug.

It very well may have been case of art imitating life. VDO going through his own exhaustion and health issues may simply not have been capable of bringing the same energy and vitality to the role so they had to try to come up with some dramatic explanation - it isn't like he was a secondary character that they could simply write his health issues in like they did with Bell's Palsy. So they hit him with Warren Leight's Sledgehammer of Family Drama and played up the angle of traditional cops not really trusting him despite the results.

 

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I agree with your rant about Stabler and how he got angrier and devolved some as the show went on, they did damage to his character as well.

I think Stabler/Benson get talked about way too much - there are so many great characters in the franchise, why do Benson/Stabler get all of the attention? I think it’s because SVU is a sensationalist soap opera now, with the romance angle as well, while the Mothership and for the most part CI are all about the cases.

They get the attention because they are still around and because in the beginning there really was an intense and organic chemistry. Plus unlike other pairings that might have been comparable this one features a performer that has been perfectly willing to lean into it and actively worked up the shippers to service her ego. As have the network, the showrunners, etc.

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[WendyCR72]

For anyone who plans on watching the show on Charge! coming up, not only is there the long Sunday into Monday morning marathon on the first, but now listings also have late night/early morning airings on the 4th and 5th [Wednesday and Thursday] from 9:00 p.m. until 1:00 a.m.

[WendyCR72]

Whoops, a correction to the post directly above: After the intro marathon on Sunday/Monday, 10/1-2, the schedule is 9:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m. ET apparently Monday through Friday.

I say apparently, because the schedule on their page only goes through Wednesday the 4th now, but as that time period has the same pattern from Monday through Wednesday, I assume it will also be for Thursday and Friday.

[WendyCR72]

Another website, another arbitrary list.

Slate has a list of the best stand-alone episodes on television. Among those on the list includes the Homicide: Life On The Street episode, "Subway".

Scroll to 1997 [episodes from the shows seem to be chosen by year!], and the write up is there, if interested!

[WendyCR72]

"Untethered" aired among the three-episode late-night block last night [where Goren goes undercover at Tates Prison].

And something occurred to me which should have long before now, considering how often it has aired:

Wouldn't Goren's prints be on file since he is a police detective? How in the world could he have claimed to be someone else? I mean, if the undercover deal was official, yeah, the department would handle the details, I suppose.

But Goren did this all himself, so...

Shrug.

And hey! October 1st is soon here with the Charge! marathon on Sunday/Monday, before the nightly schedule there. Time flies.

[Xeliou66]

21 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

"Untethered" aired among the three-episode late-night block last night [where Goren goes undercover at Tates Prison].

And something occurred to me which should have long before now, considering how often it has aired:

Wouldn't Goren's prints be on file since he is a police detective? How in the world could he have claimed to be someone else? I mean, if the undercover deal was official, yeah, the department would handle the details, I suppose.

But Goren did this all himself, so...

Shrug.

And hey! October 1st is soon here with the Charge! marathon on Sunday/Monday, before the nightly schedule there. Time flies.

I’ve never thought of that, but you’re right, his prints would be on file. Huge plot hole there. Oh well, another reason to dislike that storyline along with all of the other angst that they put Goren through, I really hate how they gave him so much baggage and made the show into a soap opera. 

[WendyCR72]

37 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

I’ve never thought of that, but you’re right, his prints would be on file. Huge plot hole there. Oh well, another reason to dislike that storyline along with all of the other angst that they put Goren through, I really hate how they gave him so much baggage and made the show into a soap opera. 

I guess if you watch any show for any length of time, the plot holes tend to make themselves known. I can barely watch "Untethered" as I cannot take the torture near the end.

But I'm sure VDO liked the challenge.

[Xeliou66]

23 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

I guess if you watch any show for any length of time, the plot holes tend to make themselves known. I can barely watch "Untethered" as I cannot take the torture near the end.

But I'm sure VDO liked the challenge.

Untethered is definitely a disturbing episode. I just really dislike how they gave Goren a ton of personal problems and turned the show into a soap opera in seasons 6-7, it was a much different and drastically weaker show. 

[WendyCR72]

"Poison" with sociopath Trudy Pomeranski is in progress on Charge!. I never understood just why her mother just didn't let her witch of a daughter face the consequences. Yes, it is her child, but willing to go to prison for her?! Not me.

I mean, the mother at least seemed to have a conscience. Just a bit of a head scratcher in an otherwise good episode.

[peacheslatour]

19 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

"Poison" with sociopath Trudy Pomeranski is in progress on Charge!. I never understood just why her mother just didn't let her witch of a daughter face the consequences. Yes, it is her child, but willing to go to prison for her?! Not me.

I mean, the mother at least seemed to have a conscience. Just a bit of a head scratcher in an otherwise good episode.

I mean she killed SEVEN people so she could sell baby clothes. What a psycho. I hope they let her mother off when they arrested Trudy.

[WendyCR72]

1 minute ago, peacheslatour said:

I mean she killed SEVEN people so she could sell baby clothes. What a psycho. I hope they let her mother off when they arrested Trudy.

Oh, I'm sure the mother had the charges dropped. But if I were her, I would have let my demon spawn face the consequences from word go, not tried to cover for her. Child or not, as you said, she killed seven people, including her own husband!

[peacheslatour]

Just now, WendyCR72 said:

Oh, I'm sure the mother had the charges dropped. But if I were her, I would have let my demon spawn face the consequences from word go, not tried to cover for her. Child or not, as you said, she killed seven people, including her own husband!

I don't think mom really knew what the hell was going on. As Trudy said, she wasn't that bright.

[WendyCR72]

45 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I don't think mom really knew what the hell was going on. As Trudy said, she wasn't that bright.

I think she knew, hence her confronting Trudy when Trudy went on her tirade about how she [Trudy] was finally happy.

What a psycho.

[Xeliou66]

Trudy’s mom just seemed spineless and pathetic and not that bright. So yeah I thought it was kind of fitting for her character to just stand mute at her arraignment. Trudy was a pure sociopath, killing 7 people, 6 of whom she didn’t even know, just so she could start her boutique. It’s a great episode. What I’ve always wondered, as I’ve said before, is how Goren convinced Carver to indict the mom, because it was a big risk, if Trudy didn’t take the bait and incriminate herself, they would be stuck in a bad situation. I thought that was kind of skipped over - it seemed like it would be a hard sell to convince Carver, and for Carver to convince Nora Lewin, to do that. But it’s a great episode regardless.    
I love seeing Briscoe/Green appear in Poison, it was great to see them share a scene with Goren/Eames, and I loved how Goren suggested Briscoe/Green leak the story to the media and then just stayed quiet about it when Deakins got pissed. 

[WendyCR72]

"Poison" was one of the only times I thought Deakins was in the wrong; the public did have a right to know about the danger. So I'm glad that Goren/Eames spilled to Briscoe/Greene!

[WendyCR72]

Huh.

Watching "The Third Horseman" now, and it's funny how I never noticed a parallel in the investigation room. During Bobby's final interrogation with Griscom, he shouts, "Come on, Dennis! SAY IT!"

And it's sort of the same way he went after Johnny in "The Consoler" so many years later in S10 with his, "Come on, Johnny! COME ON!"

So, even older, Bobby still kept some consistency with his technique left over from his more intense years!

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

"Poison" was one of the only times I thought Deakins was in the wrong; the public did have a right to know about the danger. So I'm glad that Goren/Eames spilled to Briscoe/Greene!

Agreed 100%. I thought it was the correct move for Goren to suggest Briscoe/Green leak the story, and Briscoe/Green were right to do it, and I loved how Goren/Eames stayed quiet when Deakins wasn’t happy. It was one of the few times I was annoyed with Deakins - the public needed to know, it was an issue of public safety. 
I loved the whole scene with Briscoe/Green, particularly Lennie calling the commissioner’s office “those idiots”. It was great to see 4 of the best detectives in the franchise interact. 
It’s a great episode, I just would’ve liked a bit of exploration into how Goren convinced Carver to indict the mom.

[WendyCR72]

16 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

It’s a great episode, I just would’ve liked a bit of exploration into how Goren convinced Carver to indict the mom.

Circumstantially, I sort of get it. The mom was a patient at the same time the murders were committed, and there was the mailing info from the woman's deceased husband's business. (That Trudy used for the mailing address of the poison.) So, on the surface, I could see how Mrs. Pomeranski could be considered a suspect.

Though since she was apparently in the hospital for some lung OPERATION, I doubt she'd have the strength, but more plot device there...

[Xeliou66]

9 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Circumstantially, I sort of get it. The mom was a patient at the same time the murders were committed, and there was the mailing info from the woman's deceased husband's business. (That Trudy used for the mailing address of the poison.) So, on the surface, I could see how Mrs. Pomeranski could be considered a suspect.

Though since she was apparently in the hospital for some lung OPERATION, I doubt she'd have the strength, but more plot device there...

Oh I completely get why she was considered a suspect and why Goren used her to get Trudy to incriminate herself - I’m just saying if Trudy hadn’t incriminated herself they would be stuck in a rough situation, and so it seems like it would take some convincing to get Carver to go along with it, since the plan not working would lead to trouble. It seemed like that was just glossed over.

Edited October 2, 2023 by Xeliou66

[WendyCR72]

So, I see Sundance is airing the show out of order in terms of seasons. "Frame" - the S7 finale - ended at 1, so naturally, the next episode was the premiere episode of Season...10, "Rispetto". LOL!

But I like S10, so I'll live with it.

[peacheslatour]

2 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

So, I see Sundance is airing the show out of order in terms of seasons. "Frame" - the S7 finale - ended at 1, so naturally, the next episode was the premiere episode of Season...10, "Rispetto". LOL!

But I like S10, so I'll live with it.

"INSTINCT!"

[WendyCR72]

22 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

"INSTINCT!"

Jay Mohr bought the crazy!

Then the marathon concluded with "The Consoler", with Goren interrogating Johnny, which I brought up in connection to the interrogation style also in "The Third Horseman" from S1. Funny how both episodes aired a day apart.

[TakomaSnark]

On 10/1/2023 at 6:16 PM, WendyCR72 said:

"Poison" with sociopath Trudy Pomeranski is in progress on Charge!. I never understood just why her mother just didn't let her witch of a daughter face the consequences. Yes, it is her child, but willing to go to prison for her?! Not me.

I mean, the mother at least seemed to have a conscience. Just a bit of a head scratcher in an otherwise good episode.

Not gonna lie, I love the TATS episode for 'Poison.' I wish they'd do more CI in their rotation but apparently those are the least downloaded/listened to segments.

 

 

 

[WendyCR72]

Seems the Toronto spinoff must be getting things in order to begin filming. Two Canadian actors, Karn Kalra and Simon Wong, are now on the spinoff IMDB page as being in the first episode.

Of course, IMDB listings are fluid, but that is what's there now.

[peacheslatour]

I watched Cadaver today and at one point Mrs. Zhuang actually had Goren backed into a corner. Comical to see the big man being walked back by a little, tiny woman.

[WendyCR72]

13 minutes ago, peacheslatour said:

I watched Cadaver today and at one point Mrs. Zhuang actually had Goren backed into a corner. Comical to see the big man being walked back by a little, tiny woman.

She sounded like a complete nut as a mom, too. No pets, no friends over, etc. Is it any wonder her husband took off and her older daughter also peaced out?

No wonder Maya cracked under the pressure and helped her murdering mama.

[Xeliou66]

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

She sounded like a complete nut as a mom, too. No pets, no friends over, etc. Is it any wonder her husband took off and her older daughter also peaced out?

No wonder Maya cracked under the pressure and helped her murdering mama.

Yeah, she was somewhat off her rocker it seemed. A nasty witch. I doubt Maya would ever be okay. It is a good episode.

[WendyCR72]

Seems Annabella Sciorra wasn't the only one to have issues with Harvey Weinstein.

Julia Ormond (Dr. Paula Gyson) apparently filed a lawsuit against Disney due to issues with the dirtbag.

[TakomaSnark]

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

Seems Annabella Sciorra wasn't the only one to have issues with Harvey Weinstein.

Julia Ormond (Dr. Paula Gyson) apparently filed a lawsuit against Disney due to issues with the dirtbag.

UGH, how awful. Poor Julia.

[WendyCR72]

Nothing else of interest was on to me so I have "Semi-Professional" on on Charge! now.

While it's nice to have another station as an option to watch the show that isn't half reality trash, the commercial breaks are annoying a lot of the time, often in the middle of a scene, while the actual areas for a break don't and go to the next scene.

Just...weird.

[Xeliou66]

9 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Nothing else of interest was on to me so I have "Semi-Professional" on on Charge! now.

While it's nice to have another station as an option to watch the show that isn't half reality trash, the commercial breaks are annoying a lot of the time, often in the middle of a scene, while the actual areas for a break don't and go to the next scene.

Just...weird.

I’ve noticed that as well on Charge, it’s very odd when the commercial breaks take place. 

[peacheslatour]

2 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I’ve noticed that as well on Charge, it’s very odd when the commercial breaks take place. 

CI is going to be on Charge all day Sunday.

[WendyCR72]

8 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

CI is going to be on Charge all day Sunday.

I guess the first marathon was a success...

[TakomaSnark]

14 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

I’ve noticed that as well on Charge, it’s very odd when the commercial breaks take place. 

Oh Tubi and Freevee do that *all* the time with old shows and movies. Like, literally mid-sentence, they'll cutaway to an ad.

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, TakomaSnark said:

Oh Tubi and Freevee do that *all* the time with old shows and movies. Like, literally mid-sentence, they'll cutaway to an ad.

It really is annoying, and it makes any given scene disjointed.

[WendyCR72]

No long marathon next Sunday on Charge! as movies are listed, but I guess the channel still wants to keep the weekend hot streak going as the 9:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m. weeknight blocks will extend to Saturday the 14th.

Just a heads up if anyone was curious.

[WendyCR72]

Maybe because business stuff sort of bores me, but watching "Tuxedo Hill" on Charge!, that angle really drags for me [I know it is all based on Bernie Madoff and Enron and whatnot, but...yawn!].

But it is saved by Goren literally cornering the rat boss at the end and Goren's "accounting trick" rant...

I do like "Dead", which comes next, with cold as ice [and Captain Hannah twin!], Harry Rowan.