John Potts June 6, 2017 Share June 6, 2017 (edited) Quote While salvaging components from DS9's sister station, the crew run afoul of a "surprise" left behind by the Cardassians. Amazing to see how much atmosphere can be created by just turning down the lighting and shooting the station at the "wrong" angle. You do see exactly WHY Starfleet Security have such notoriously short lives: Redshirt Engineer: Don't point that [gun] at me! Redshirt Security Officer: Don't worry, the safety's on! ...OK, firstly, even though I've never handled a gun, I know you NEVER point a gun at anyone unless you mean to shoot, even if you think it isn't loaded or the safety is on. Secondly: the safety's on!? You're in a combat situation! And thirdly, they follow the classic horror movie trope of going, "Let's split up - we can take more damage that way!" Admittedly, that's O'Brien's decision rather than the Security Officers, but you'd think they'd raise an objection before they're all killed- surely pure survival of the fittest would have weeded these guys out by now? I know Andrew Robinson was reluctant to play the serial killer again having spent so long getting over playing Scorpio on Dirty Harry - but he does it SO WELL. And I love the discussion at the end with the Chief where Garak is probably the most honest we ever see him: his apology to the men he killed (or rather, their families) followed by his straightforward acceptance that Miles' trap was meant to kill him seemed to be a completely muted Garak. Not that I would expect Garak to complain about a murder attempt, it's just I'd expect him to do more than just nod - maybe critique Miles' methods or something. Edited June 9, 2017 by John Potts 1 Link to comment
blueray June 25, 2017 Share June 25, 2017 The first time I saw this episode I was thinking as soon as Miles told Garak and Nog to come with him and everyone else split into groups, that he just killed the redshirts. Which of course was true in a way. I love the use of Garak in this episode. It shows what he is actually capable of. And I love his reaction at the end when Miles says he did try to kill him and maybe him not saying anything afterwards added to it. Though it could have been cool to see him critique Miles, but I feel like that was what he would have done at the beginning of the episode not the end. Link to comment
iMonrey July 6, 2017 Share July 6, 2017 SO . . . Garak kills four crew members and gets off scot-free just because he was "drugged?" OK then. I mean, even if he wasn't "quite himself," that doesn't dismiss the fact that he murdered four people. If he was persona non-grata before, I can't imagine anyone going anywhere near him after this. Link to comment
blueray July 6, 2017 Share July 6, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, iMonrey said: SO . . . Garak kills four crew members and gets off scot-free just because he was "drugged?" OK then. I mean, even if he wasn't "quite himself," that doesn't dismiss the fact that he murdered four people. If he was persona non-grata before, I can't imagine anyone going anywhere near him after this. He actually didn't, he only killed one. The cardassians killed the first guy & girl and the one guy. Then Garak kills them (which nobody would mind) and the one remaining redshirt when he was under the influence of the drug. I'd imagine that going forward people would be hesitate to work with Garak, knowing what he is cable off. But going forward in the show he's an ally, which is how you'd would want him. Edited July 6, 2017 by blueray Link to comment
readster July 7, 2017 Share July 7, 2017 16 hours ago, blueray said: He actually didn't, he only killed one. The cardassians killed the first guy & girl and the one guy. Then Garak kills them (which nobody would mind) and the one remaining redshirt when he was under the influence of the drug. I'd imagine that going forward people would be hesitate to work with Garak, knowing what he is cable off. But going forward in the show he's an ally, which is how you'd would want him. Same how I saw it too. Plus, the way Miles fooled him in the end and also Garak seeing that Miles was no longer the soldier he constantly framed him to be, but was still very resourceful. Link to comment
iMonrey July 7, 2017 Share July 7, 2017 Thanks for the correction. Still, it's very odd in the Star Trek-verse to see a main character actually murder a Federation crew member - whether under "duress" or not - and then go on and continue to be a viable character through the remainder of the series. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any other instance of this happening. Maybe when Reginald Barclay took over the computer on TNG? Some red shirts might have been killed during that, I can't remember. It just seems like there are lines you can't come back from once you cross them. Link to comment
John Potts July 8, 2017 Author Share July 8, 2017 21 hours ago, iMonrey said: Still, it's very odd in the Star Trek-verse to see a main character actually murder a Federation crew member - whether under "duress" or not - and then go on and continue to be a viable character through the remainder of the series. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any other instance of this happening. Didn't Scottie murder somebody while possessed by Jack the Ripper (TOS Wolf in the Fold)? Pretty sure he was back on duty as normal the following week. Don't think Barclay killed anyone in The Nth Degree, though he did cause a few injuries. Link to comment
Maverick July 8, 2017 Share July 8, 2017 I don't think Scotty committed the murder. The entity just framed him. If you're just talking about killing someone in general, then Word committed straight up murder and just a a stern speech of disappointment. Data committed attempted murder (they tried to leave it open but c'mon). Troi, Data and O'Brien seriously wounded several people who may not have survived in Power Play. Half the crew ate the other half while de-evolved in Genesis. Link to comment
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