JoJo's Bizarre Adventure - General Discussion

[Meredith Quill]

Drop Them In Here!

[Lantern7]

Just want to get things started. For those who missed it, here are the full opening credits with subtitles:

And picking up from the Toonami thread . . .

On 11/7/2016 at 8:41 PM, Sandman87 said:

Let's see; the ceiling looks a bit tall, so assume 15' per floor. 20 floors would be 300 feet. It would take about 8 seconds to plummet to that fiery death, and he'd hit at about 170 mph.

Boy, that physics degree is really paying off now!

I'm thinking we're dealing with Anime Physics, and if Jojo or Dio hadn't tried to stop their falls, it would've taken them the length of "Roundabout" by Yes to hit the floor. Speaking of which, Toonami seems to keep the closing credits intact. I'm good with that.

[Sandman87]

Heh. Obviously it took longer to fall because of all the hot air.

[Sandman87]

I can't stop watching this. It's like a train full of melodrama colliding with a train full of cliches on a bridge made of mullets over a river of WTF.

Jojo meets a guy named Baron Zeppelin...or something...who has a Mad Hatter hat and no mullet whatsoever, and knows magical Jedi tricks. He offers to teach Jojo to...uh...breathe through his hymen...or something...to fight Dio. Then Jojo uses a glass of wine to fight Zombie Jack the Ripper, who's wielding a giant...knife...ribcage...thing and who likes to stick his dagger through his own head. Jojo hymenizes Jack with the power of wine, so hooray for grapes!

[Terrafamilia]

Rejoice, Mankind!

Yes, JoJo, rippling your muscles, or whatever that was, will cause zombie vampires' heads to explode.

At the risk of being incredibly un-PC this show must have been one of those things for which the phrase "that's so gay" was coined to describe. But that's not necessarily a bad thing.

[Sandman87]

5 hours ago, Terrafamilia said:

At the risk of being incredibly un-PC this show must have been one of those things for which the phrase "that's so gay" was coined to describe. But that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Everyone wants him. Even the trees want to give him flowers!

ETA: I've decided that the basic plot of the first few episodes was borrowed from Gormenghast, except for the parts involving the mask: Ruthless poor/common character inserts himself into the household of a wealthy/noble family as part of a scheme to take control of the estate/wealth.

Edited November 14, 2016 by Sandman87

[Lantern7]

This week: Jojo, Speedwagon and Sterotypico Italiano run into Dio at night. Dio, being evil, sics a few soldiers on them that were loyal to Mary, Queen of Scots back in the day. I'm still trying to get used to the powers structure. Speedwagon is not adept and a bit useless, but at least he can serve as a makeshift radiator. Did I mention that everybody except for SI is really, really British?

[Terrafamilia]

Speedwagon gave his body to Zeppeli so the latter's blood would start pumping again.

This stuff just writes itself.

[Sandman87]

First R.E.O. Speedwagon, now Poco? I'm going to be very disappointed if we don't eventually meet characters named Steely Dan, Lobo, Toto, and Fleetwood Mac.

And on a related note, Jojo has some trouble with his Air Supply while fighting the Knight of the Hair.

14 hours ago, Terrafamilia said:

Speedwagon gave his body to Zeppeli so the latter's blood would start pumping again.

This stuff just writes itself.

He insisted on sharing his heat. And Zeppeli was "too rough" when trying to "share his harmon" with Speedwagon.

Also, this line is hilarious: (while prancing across the water) "Your shoes are getting wet! Try to bolster your harmon for the sake of your wardrobe!"

And of course, there's: "Stop it. You're going to set me all a-tremble!"

Edited November 21, 2016 by Sandman87

[Lantern7]

Zeppeli's mentor was Tonpetty. I know that stuff from later seasons had to be changed for legal reasons, but I'm curious why rockers didn't jump on board the lawsuit train with this anime.

The show? Still insane. Jojo? Still noble. Poco? Useful, though he does piss himself. Speedwagon? Useless, save for some choice lines.

[Terrafamilia]

When Poco first started to pull down his pants I was a bit worried what sort of show this was going to turn out to be. And with this show, that's saying something. ;-)

Making a hang-glider out of dead leaves? Sure, sounds reasonable.

[Sandman87]

Tom Petty? Sure, why not? It's not even worth it to make fun of the music references anymore.

What kind of crappy castle has cross-shaped windows that are close to the ground, 10 feet deep, and large enough for a small person to crawl through? They'd let in approximately no light, they'd be useless for archers to shoot from, and people can crawl in through them. (Fun fact: An "impregnable" castle in France was once captured when some of the besieging soldiers crawled in through the toilet outlet & lowered the drawbridge.)

5 hours ago, Terrafamilia said:

Making a hang-glider out of dead leaves? Sure, sounds reasonable.

Apparently they wanted to leave! (rim-shot)

[Lantern7]

Heads up: have yourself a very Jojo Christmas with a marathon on Christmas Eve. "TINSEL RED & GREEN OVERDRIVE!!!!!"

[Sandman87]

I found out what those Japanese characters on the screen during action scenes mean:

ゴゴゴゴゴ = "GO GO GO GO GO"

ドドドドド = "DO DO DO DO DO"

Also, apparently memes for this show will tend to involve 「Japanese quotation marks with bold formatting」.

[Lantern7]

This week: the Baron is half the man he used to be. And now he's dead, but not before transforming his powers harmon to Jojo. The big guy and Speedwagon (still useless; like Usopp without the slingshot and schnozz) goes to Poco's village, only to find out that Dio's been transforming everybody. This includes giving one asshole a Gene Simmons-length tongue. Fortunately, Tonpetty and two of his disciples are on the scene to even the odds. Meanwhile, Dio transforms a mother on the condition that he and his minions don't touch her baby. . . and she ends up devouring him. Fun stuff!

[Sandman87]

All it takes is a Ded Zeppeli to turn R.E.O. Speedwagon into R.E.O. Waaaahmbulance. And, true to melodramatic form, he took about half an episode to die from being cut in half. I noticed that Speedwagon had yoinked Zeppeli's top-hat at the end of the episode.

Jojo now has enough Harmon power to incinerate bad guys with a punch. The show is gradually becoming a much more sensitive-yet-manly version of Naruto. There's even (briefly) a bad guy with a prehensile tongue like Orochimaru's. Or maybe the X-Men villain Toad would be a better comparison.

Remember when Zeppeli thought that Poco would be useful as a guide? Yeah, that hasn't happened yet. Maybe next episode.

Introducing: Tonpetty, and his sidekicks Dire and Straizo.

[Lantern7]

Ahhhhhh. I'm thinking the disciples like money for nothing and their chicks for free.

And I like Speedwagon. Really hoping he upgrades soon, though. Hate to think of him being a sacrifice for Jojo's manpain. I'm guessing he left his Oddjob-inspired hat at home, for all the good it would do him. "Corr!!! My lid didn't cut the bleedin' blighter! Jonathan Joestar, be every bit the man I wish I could be!! That's a lad!!!"

[Terrafamilia]

Zeppeli gave himself to JoJo and JoJo's shirt promptly tore itself off. Gosh, what's not to love about this show!?

[Sandman87]

20 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

Ahhhhhh. I'm thinking the disciples like money for nothing and their chicks for free.

I wonder if they play baseball. They could be the Sultans of Swing.

[Lantern7]

They do not, but they enjoy watching Eighties sports highlights from America while performing "WALK OF LIFE OVERDRIVE!!!!"

1 hour ago, Terrafamilia said:

Zeppeli gave himself to JoJo and JoJo's shirt promptly tore itself off. Gosh, what's not to love about this show!?

"Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Abandon Subtext All Ye Who Enter Here."

[Sandman87]

Damn, I can't believe I was So Far Away on that one...

[Lantern7]

"Jojo! Poco! New blokes! Look alive, gents!  We're going back-to-back on December 17!!! "

[Terrafamilia]

NO! Not the face!

NO! No frog urine!

USELESS!USELESS!USELESS!USELESS!USELESS!USELESS! etc., etc., etc.

Do they all get paid by exclamation point?!?!?

Doobie showed up. Were those other zombies his brothers?

[Sandman87]

No, they introduced themselves as Bonham, Jones, Page, and Plant. No wonder they looked so dazed and confused.

Boy, Jojo & friends are real brave, lurking outside & leaving Poco to face his abusive father by himself.

Nice to see that Dio is consistant in his dog-kicking habits, even when it's his own henchmen.

Who would win in a pose-off, Dio or Jojo? They do like their melodramatic posing.

Might have been funny if Dio had interrupted the Thunder Cross Split Attack by giving Dire a quick punch in the balls. So much for "still keeping his guard up."

I want to know what happened to the vampirized peasant woman who ate her baby.

I also want to know how Dire was able to keep talking when his head was severed, what with having no lungs and all.

Speedwagon is useless, even with a sledgehammer. He should just stick to being the designated Greek chorus.

Jojo literally sets his fist on fire to punch out Dio. What is this, Gurren Lagann? Is Jojo related to Lord Genome?

I'm not convinced that Dio is entirely dead yet.

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Do they all get paid by exclamation point?!?!?

My favorites are the many variations on "You dare think you can lay a finger on me!?"

[Lantern7]

Hi, Dire. Bye, Dire. Here's hoping you won't have to install microwave ovens in the afterlife. At least he blinded Dio with a spat-out rose. That should earn him a place among the fallen anytime Jojo fights the villain.

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USELESS!USELESS!USELESS!USELESS!USELESS!USELESS! etc., etc., etc.

Didn't the Keshin (the final villain) do that in Soul Eater? Or am I thinking of another word? I know "Delete!" was Mikami's thing on Death Note.

Still liking Speedwagon, though he didn't offer his body for warmth. Maybe that's a one-time thing. Remember, he gave Zeppeli his heat mere hours ago. Maybe that's why he took the hat . . . payment rendered.

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Nice to see that Dio is consistant in his dog-kicking habits, even when it's his own henchmen.

The Toonami Tumblr spoiled me on that.

Does Poco's sister have a name? While I'm thinking of it . ..  has there been a major character whose name wasn't lifted from rock legends?

Once again: two episodes air Saturday night, and there will be a marathon the following week. If Santa visits you that night, you can sing "Roundabout" with him.

ETA: Saw a commercial for the marathon. It never occurred to me that there might be a "Jo Jo Jo!!!" laugh. Surprised Toonami didn't think of that.

[Terrafamilia]

Dio to JoJo: I want your body! (You're not the only one, Dio. Everyone wants JoJo if they are being honest.)

Speedwagon becomes an oil tycoon. This must be the most outlandish development in the whole show so far. And he thinks he was JoJo's best friend. Sure, Speedwagon, you go on thinking that. He almost managed to ship off to America without even waving good-bye in your general direction.

Straizo! What base treachery is this!?!?

Look! Joseph Joestar is able to use Hamon instinctively. That's even more impressive than his gramps!

Look! We have have a replacement Poco. And it's Smokey!

[Sandman87]

Dio's old Chinese servant is dead now, so nobody Wang-Chung tonight.

Love the way that the new Jojo casually whipped out a tommygun, with a drum magazine no less, from out of nowhere and cut loose with it.

[Lantern7]

"Smokey." Oy. Why, Japan? Or is that a dub name?

I like Jojo II. He doesn't give as much a crap as his (adopted) grandpa, especially when he's away from Granny Irina. "Hey, Straizo! Ever see the video for 'Smooth Criminal'?" "That's at least a half-cent- . . . . oh. FUCK." "AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO USE HARMON!!!!!! ANNIE, ARE YOU OKAY? ARE YOU OKAY? ARE YOU OKAY, ANNIE?!!?" At least JJII is smart to know a tommy gun attack won't cut it.

3 hours ago, Terrafamilia said:

Speedwagon becomes an oil tycoon. This must be the most outlandish development in the whole show so far. And he thinks he was JoJo's best friend. Sure, Speedwagon, you go on thinking that. He almost managed to ship off to America without even waving good-bye in your general direction.

Well, there aren't many people who have would-be adversaries swear fealty ten minutes after meeting them. Who else can Jojo claim as a boon friend? Dio? Evil, dead, evil, dead. Zep? Dead. Poco? Who cares, really. Danny? Dead, though he did show up at the end of "Phantom Blood." I'm gonna miss the wanker. If he shows up as a Jedi Harmon ghost, I wouldn't mind.

I'm probably going to go online to see the opening credits, since we won't have new episodes for three weeks (marathon of reruns next week, DBZK the week after). I'm happy "Roundabout" stays in the closing credits, with new visuals. The song makes little sense, but it's still soothing.

[Sandman87]

8 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

I like Jojo II. He doesn't give as much a crap as his (adopted) grandpa...

I think he's Jojo's actual grandchild, since Erina mentioned being pregnant at the end of last week's episode: "Most of humanity, for whom he sacrificed, will never know of his noble accomplishments, but his descendants will. The life within me, newly created by Jonathan and I, will certainly hear his story."

[Lantern7]

I'll have to rewatch the episodes. My impression was that Jojo and Irina never got intimate ("Come! I shall now escort you to Pound Town!!"), Joseph's father was the baby rescued by her off the ship, and she lied about being pregnant. That would mean a random child would have to be a carrier for a harmon capability . . . but dude, this is a shonen anime. Logic isn't a huge thing in those.

[Sandman87]

It's at the end, after Jojo dies and the ship explodes, when she's narrating about how noble and wonderful and otherwise nauseatingly good Jojo was.

Yeah, the infant was basically just a random kitten that needed to be rescued from a tree.

[Terrafamilia]

Eh, Speedwagon's a groupie. Yes, Erina and JoJo did it. Those Victorians knew what to do behind bedroom doors regardless of how proper they were in public. The baby who was rescued grows up to be

Spoiler

Lisa Lisa

[Lantern7]

I figured that Jojo and Irina didn't have time for intimacy ("Look! There is a rainbow on the horizon!" "Oh, Jonathan! Do with me what you'd want upon it!!") between the wedding and the ship. Also, I get the same weird thing in my head about how Bulma could have survived intercourse with Vegeta. At least Chi Chi was the daughter of Ox King, so she was physically strong to put up with Goku. "Jojo! Lad, I heard a scream and- . ..  corr blimey!!! Why is the room full of blood and innards, yet you look unscathed physically?!? Is it that rotter Dio??!? I'll shake my fist menacingly at him so hard!!!"

At least Speedwagon did this right. It wasn't his fault that it took him fifty years to find a tree in Mexico where the damn masks grew like apples. Or that the surviving student of Tonpetty turned out to be a Dio groupie.

[Sandman87]

On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 5:59 PM, Terrafamilia said:

Yes, Erina and JoJo did it. Those Victorians knew what to do behind bedroom doors regardless of how proper they were in public.

Maybe she just suddenly became impregnated from holding Jojo's hand, similar to the way that tree branch burst into bloom when he held it.

[Lantern7]

So . . . we're done with the first edition, "Phantom Blood." Whom did you like? For some reason, I keep coming back to Robert E.O. Speedwagon, who looked badass for one episode, sworn loyalty to Jojo, and didn't do much else besides nicking Zepelli's hat and destroying the (first) mask. Then he died like a punk in the opening episode of "Battle Tendency." But he did get some choice lines. "I can read people like a book, and these two [Tarukus and Bluford] are full of stories Speedwagon don't wanna hear, thank you kindly!"

ETA: I know villains can be more hammy than Dio, but damn, he didn't need the mask and supernatural powers to be an asshole. Like, "I am humiliating precious Jonathan at boxing! And while no one is observing, I will drive my thumb in his eye!! And later, I'm going to suck his girlfriend's lips until I am the only thing she can taste!!! Hey, in this day and age, and with the target audience of this anime, that is basically the most evil thing I can think up!!!"

[Sandman87]

I liked Jack the Ripper. Pure batspit crazy, and he's full of knives. Freaking out the heroes by crawling out of a horse? Loony, but awesome.

[RosaritaCisneros]

Hi! I just joined Previously TV. Hopefully, this is a fun community compared to the last forum I joined, which just shut down a day or 2 ago.

Anyway, as far as name dropping goes, it's hilarious listening to all the Rock band references such as Dio, REO Speedwagon, Tom Petty, and Led Zeppelin to name a few.

[RosaritaCisneros]

Hi everybody! I just joined Previously TV. I really hope this is a fun and highly active community. It seems like it is somewhat welcoming.

Anyway, in case you didn't already know, Adult Swim's Toonami block is marathoning JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Phantom Blood as their Christmas Eve marathon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9kzsiDNuzg

[Lantern7]

Does Poco come from somewhere? And like we discussed in the episodes thread, Tonpetty's students are named after Dire Straits. While the American adaptations of future editions had material changed to avoid lawsuits, I'm guessing it was okay to start as long as the characters didn't resemble their namesakes. That means no tinted shades and Mad Hatter homage for Tonpetty. Or headbands for Dire & Strazio.

ETA: Have to get this out of my system: "You would follow the example of Dio? Even after he murdered Dire?!?" "Well, I-" "HEY! Don't come around here no more!!!"

[RosaritaCisneros]

3 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

Does Poco come from somewhere? And like we discussed in the episodes thread, Tonpetty's students are named after Dire Straits.

Hmm... I didn't know this. When I hear the name Tonpetti, I automatically think of Tom Petty from Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers. Also, there is another character in the show named Styx, that was showed in this marathon. It's a good thing I keep Closed Captioning on my TV. You learn a lot just from reading the show's dialogue.

[RosaritaCisneros]

It appears that Adult Swim chose to run some animated short called Scavengers, before airing JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. Leave it up to Adult Swim to continuously mess up their programming and mislead their viewers. That's besides shutting down their message board without giving anyone, including their own volunteers any warnings.

[Iguessnot]

When did they shut the boards? It's been awhile since I logged on there.

[RosaritaCisneros]

ASMB shut down just a few days ago. It was partially shut down to the public 2 days after Halloween. We all had to sign back in with the staging boards link for these last 2 months and that just shut down a few days ago. You didn't miss much, since the trolls took over and ran just about every poster away.

Edited December 26, 2016 by RosaritaCisneros

[Iguessnot]

That's too bad. Anyway, it was kind of difficult to read anyway.

[Sandman87]

The veritable sea of animated GIFs, sig files, eye-bleed inducing and other obnoxious forum stuff there made it a non-starter for me the first time I looked at it. And then it was worse when I checked it again a couple of years later.

If I read things correctly, one of the former ASMB mods has started an unofficial-ish site to fill the void.

[lathspel]

I was so far behind on this show, but the nice thing is that it's not so strange if you marathon it.

I like new, smarter JJII.  He may need the brains to keep up with Straizo.

Dio never really used the mask after initially getting powers, right?  If I were Straizo, I would destroy the Mexican Mask Tree, to make sure no one else can power up. 

[RosaritaCisneros]

1 hour ago, Sandman87 said:

The veritable sea of animated GIFs, sig files, eye-bleed inducing and other obnoxious forum stuff there made it a non-starter for me the first time I looked at it. And then it was worse when I checked it again a couple of years later.

If I read things correctly, one of the former ASMB mods has started an unofficial-ish site to fill the void.

That is correct. The head moderator originally created an alternate board for other posters to get away from trolls. At the same time, it was more about him wanting to create a board to further his own personal agenda and praise rather than the benefit of ASMB posters. Other ASMB posters refuse to join his new board because he has a great disdain for certain posters and has gone as far as personally insulting a poster in front of others. After another poster publicly confronted him about his personal digs towards that poster, he quickly changed the subject.

Basically, you have to be teacher's pet to be welcomed to join the former ASMB head moderator's forum. If he feels that you are a threat to him personally, he's quick to snub you if you're lucky. Otherwise, he just might insult you or minimize the fact, that other posters have been cyber bullying and stalking you.
 

He loves to play favoritism, when it comes to certain posters and has a history of abusing his power as a mod by publicly singling out certain posters and publicly dropping hints to trolls about wanting to ban another poster on ASMB.

In a nutshell, ASMB was an extremely biased community all the way down political views and down to its head moderator. They claimed they wanted more new posters. Every time new posters joined, they were treated like criminals and had their identities always called into question. This was because posters were constantly being banned for flame wars and trolling.

I suffered from the same court room interrogations and much worse, as well. Many atrocities were committed against innocent posters, that weren't necessarily a part of the high school popularity contests. That's just why ASMB is shut down. It was an absolute cesspool and our head moderator condoned lots of horrible and unspeakable things done to innocent posters because certain trolls loved exploiting the race card and women. They were even posting nude selfies and porn.

Edited December 28, 2016 by RosaritaCisneros

[Sandman87]

There are probably a few dozen other masks floating around already. Hey, maybe those are the seeds that they use to grow the creepy face trees in Game of Thrones!

[Lantern7]

Watched the finale of "Phantom Blood" before I deleted it. I have questions.

1. Why did Dio need the giant casket for his head and its case?

2. I'm guessing that was Tonpetty and Strazio seeing Jojo off. Who were the other two guys?

3. Why was Wang Chan positioning Dio's head on his forearm? He looked like a pirate captain with a parrot.

4. How much time passed between the second episode and the finale? Or the next-to-last episode? Felt like a few weeks.

[Sandman87]

While rewatching to see if I could figure out your questions, I noticed something - Newspapers back in the 1880's sure had nice, clear photographs. And since when does a wedding rate being the headline in a major London paper if the royal family isn't involved?

1) The casket - Maybe he was too cheap to buy Wang-Chung a ticket. Or he planned to take Jojo's body, and then go back to sleep until his "luggage" got delivered to its destination to avoid having to answer embarrassing questions about how he got on the ship. Or maybe he just wanted to have a backup escape in case a zombie made the ship explode, because he's just that prepared.

2) The guys - Dunno. Based on the way they were dressed, I'd guess that they were a couple more of Tom Petty's Heartbreakers who we weren't introduced to yet.

3) The Head (not referring to the ship's bathroom)- Because Dio said so, that's why. Other than that, I've got nothing.

4) Time  - No idea.