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Joanie Stubbs: Entrepreneur Of Ill Repute

Wilowy

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Catherinewriter

Catherinewriter

Joanie needs some attention here, so I'll ring in. Her relationship with Cy is one of the most puzzling of the series, at least to me. I know, he presumably "loves" her, but spends so much time tearing her down. And she is often so uncertain about what she's doing. I want more of Jane and Joanie in a friendship.

I love it when the camera pans over Deadwood and the only person you can for sure make out is Joanie in her hat with the flowing scarf.

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walnutqueen

walnutqueen

Joanie was another child of abuse and incest; much like Jane, her weaknesses were formed in early life.  Cy represented the sick, twisted evil father girls run away from (or are sold to pimps by), only to find they've run into the arms of another incarnation of dear old Dad.  Girls with a heart like Joanie's find not only empathy for the men who profess to love them, but have a deep desire to receive love from a father figure.  Joanie knew Cy was a monster, but he was a monster who "loved" her in his own damaged way - and Joanie had just enough history with the guy to justify staying with him through fear and empathy, or even pity.  But mostly fear: "Kill me or let me go, Cy".

 

Joanie broke my heart when she was confiding to Charlie Utter about Wolcott killing the 3 whores.  He said something along the lines of who would do such a thing, and Joanie cried out in a plaintive voice "I don't know!  I'm not a man."

 

I loved Joanie's friendship with Jane, and wanted to see more of it, too, CatherineWriter.

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Kalliste

Kalliste

I also liked her couple of episodes in Lost, they're some of my favourite.

 

I also loved the Joanie/Jane friendship. Joanie was such a lovely person who had a terrible life and was in a bad situation.

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Kel Varnsen

Kel Varnsen

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Joanie was another child of abuse and incest; much like Jane, her weaknesses were formed in early life.  Cy represented the sick, twisted evil father girls run away from (or are sold to pimps by), only to find they've run into the arms of another incarnation of dear old Dad.  Girls with a heart like Joanie's find not only empathy for the men who profess to love them, but have a deep desire to receive love from a father figure.  Joanie knew Cy was a monster, but he was a monster who "loved" her in his own damaged way - and Joanie had just enough history with the guy to justify staying with him through fear and empathy, or even pity.  But mostly fear: "Kill me or let me go, Cy".

Yea I watched the episode a few nights ago where Joanie comes to Alma's room to bring back Alma's dad's teeth off the Bella Union floor. She tells Alma her back story with her dad and the incest/abuse (right after her mom died no less) and the fact that she basically had to pimp out her own sisters. To me that has to be one of the most fucked up and depressing back stories in all of Deadwood, and I can see how at some point she might have saw Cy as someone who was taking her away and saving her from her father.

 

Also as someone who just started season two I am reminded how much I like Joanie and Charlie's friendship. The fact that they are breakfast buddies at the Grand Central, one day she pretends she is holding a spot for him at her table, and they buy each other breakfast, is really cool.

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FormerMod-a1

FormerMod-a1

After her brothel went under, so to speak, how did she support herself?   She was no longer a madame, or whoring herself out, and didn't turn into another business.  She did plenty around camp, helping with the school, and I know she ended up selling the place to the theater people, but that's still not regular work.  Did she just have enough money saved up?

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