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Recorded at NY Comic Con on Oct 20...

Marvel vs DC Popversus Panel - who is better? with Fabian Nicieza & Marc Guggenheim | NYCC
Popverse   posted Dec 27, 2024

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... On one side we have Deadpool co-creator Fabien Nicieza speaking on behalf of Marvel, and Arrow and DC's Legends of Tomorrow co-showrunner Marc Guggenheim representing DC. ....

What's the Truth About 'The Batman Part II' and 'Superman' Issues? | THE HOT MIC
John Rocha   Streamed live on Dec 27, 2024

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3:12 The Batman Part II Pushed to 2027, Is Pattinson Going to be Gunn's Batman?
18:31 Andy Muschietti Announces The Brave & The Bold is Delayed
22:00 'Superman' Issues Already?? Sneider Talks Negative Buzz
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Posted by James Gunn on Threads yesterday (in response to fan who asked why the DC Studios logo/fanfare was not attached to Penguin and Harley Quinn)...

https://www.threads.net/@jamesgunn/post/DE-vmOavFT5?xmt=AQGzhraEHWe9wb-5b562YtddfF0OtotiJM8s8dZdRYJCuQ4 

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All DC television & film projects are now under DC Studios. Because Harley Quinn was developed long before us we didn’t think it was fair to put the DC Studio fanfare on there. On Penguin, which we had a small hand in developing, we have a different DC Studios anim at the end. We’re currently working on the DC Studios Elseworlds opening.

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Long article, so I didn't quote the TV updates...

DC Studios Update: Two ‘Batman’ Movies, a Possible ‘Teen Titans’ Film and ‘Penguin’ Season 2, and Why James Gunn Posted a Photo With Zack Snyder
By Adam B. Vary   Feb 24, 2025
https://variety.com/2025/film/news/james-gunn-dc-updates-the-penguin-season-2-batman-movies-1236318685/ 

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A lot has happened with DC in just two years. Gunn is deep in post-production on “Superman,” the first DC Studios movie, which he wrote and directed, while simultaneously working on post on Season 2 of the Max series “Peacemaker.” Director Craig Gillespie is halfway through production on the summer 2026 film “Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow” with Milly Alcock. And production has started on the Green Lantern HBO series “Lanterns” with stars Kyle Chandler and Aaron Pierre, which is aiming to debut in early 2026.
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Safran noted that DC Studios is ultimately aiming to release two live-action films and one animated film per year, and two live-action and two animated TV series per year. But the executives also reiterated the overall philosophy guiding their creative choices — namely, that no project will get a greenlight until Gunn and Safran are satisfied with a completed screenplay. “It is hard enough making a good movie with a good script,” Gunn said. “It’s almost impossible making a movie with a script that you’re writing on the run.” This is why, for example, they greenlit “Clayface” on the strength of Mike Flanagan’s screenplay even though, as Gunn said, “we had no plans on making a Clayface movie.”
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Given that Batman has remained the most consistently successful DC character in film and TV for decades, it perhaps should not be a surprise that Gunn and Safran spent considerable time on updates about DC Studios’ expansive intentions for the Caped Crusader. First up, “Clayface”: Safran confirmed that British director James Watkins (“Speak No Evil”) is in talks to direct what he characterized as a “body horror film” and Gunn said they hope “works as a pure horror movie for somebody who doesn’t care at all about DC.” 

They plan to start shooting this summer and have also started the casting process. Gunn has said that actors who voice a role in an animated project will also play them in live action. But while Alan Tudyk has voiced Clayface in two DC animated series — as a buffoon in “Harley Quinn” and as a ruthless assassin in “Creature Commandos” — Gunn said that he won’t play the role in the feature film since that wasn’t a “primary role” for Tudyk (who also plays Doctor Phosphorus on “Creature Commandos”).

Safran offered a brief update of sorts on “The Batman Part II,” saying that writer-director Matt Reeves has “yet to turn in a full script, but what we have read so far is incredibly encouraging.” (Warner Bros. recently pushed the movie from 2026 to 2027.) They had even less to say about the possibility of a second season of the spin-off series “The Penguin” with Colin Farrell following the release of “Part II.” “We don’t know,” Safran said. “There are a lot of moving pieces — probably most important Colin himself.”
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DC Studios also remains in “active development,” Safran said, on “Batman: The Brave and the Bold,” the film meant to bring the Dark Knight into the main DCU. (Reeves’ Gotham-verse exists in its own timeline.) “That story is coming together nicely,” Safran said, and Gunn added that he has been especially focused on the project given that “everybody knows I love Batman.”

Unfortunately, Gunn said it was “very unlikely” that “The Batman” star Robert Pattinson would reprise the role for “The Brave and the Bold.” But he did not foreclose the possibility that the DCU version of the character could show up before his titular film.

“I wouldn’t rule anything out,” Gunn said. “He could show up in something else. But the actor doesn’t exist [yet].”
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After fielding the question about Pattinson playing Batman in “The Brave and the Bold,” for example, Gunn sighed in exasperation. “These questions become headlines because they say, ‘Have you ever talked about this?’” he said. “We’ve talked about literally every permutation on the way to come into this job, in terms of how were we going to handle it, what actors were going to continue over, what were we going to merge. We’ve talked about everything. Have we ever talked about Grant Gustin [star of the CW series ‘The Flash’]? Yeah. Have we ever talked about Robert Pattinson? Yeah. We’ve talked about all those things. But serious conversations? No.”
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The project that’s suffered the most, it seems, is “The Authority.” In the 2023 presentation, Gunn spoke at length about the movie, which he said would follow the events of “Superman” as it tracked a team of superheroes who adopt a more unsparing, ends-justify-the-means philosophy than the Man of Steel. In the intervening two years, however, “The Authority” has moved to the back burner.
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To that end, Gunn said that he has mapped out a roughly six year plan to tell a wider story that would result in a culminating project akin to Marvel’s “Avengers” movies, though he still insists that “each individual project works as its own thing.”

“It isn’t like they’re chapters of an overall story,” he continued. “They’re characters that are part of an overall story.”

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James Gunn Explains How History With Two Beloved Guardians Of The Galaxy Characters Is Influencing His Work With The DC Universe
By Eric Eisenberg   Feb 28, 2025
https://www.cinemablend.com/superheroes/james-gunn-explains-history-groot-nebula-guardians-of-the-galaxy-characters-influencing-work-dc-universe 

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Late last week, I was part of a small group of journalists invited to the Warner Bros. lot in Burbank, California for an hour-long conversation with James Gunn and Peter Safran about everything that’s cooking in the DC Universe, and one of the most interesting bits of discussion regarded how the franchise’s slate would be dictated by fan reactions. Gunn said that there are ideas of what constitutes the first chapter of the franchise, dubbed Gods And Monsters, but he cited his experience bringing Groot to the big screen for the first time that one can’t fully map everything out in advance. Said the filmmaker,

"It's like any sort of writing exercise where you have a plan, and then you find the magic where you find the magic. And it's the meeting of those two things that comes together where you create something extraordinary, and that's what we're focusing on. But what you don't wanna do is have a... In Guardians of the Galaxy, did we know that Groot was gonna be by far the most popular character when the first movie came out? No way. It was surprising. Not only that, in all of the test screenings and everything, he wasn't the most popular character because he was like a fucking grey stick."
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"So all of a sudden, the movie comes out, he's the most popular character, and then you don't wanna leave that alone. His son becomes a more instrumental character in the other movies. You don't want to let go of the lightning when it strikes. You want to pay attention to what is really working. And then if something isn't working, then it goes down a little bit."
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According to James Gunn, there wasn’t a whole lot of love for the alien android [Nebula] following the release of his first MCU movie, and had he entirely depended on audience reaction, the character may not have been back for the sequels. Instead, he trusted his creative instincts, and by the time audiences saw Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, she became beloved:

"Nebula was one of the least popular characters in the first – she was the least popular character when we were screening the first Guardians movie. I loved her. I knew she was something special. And then by the last Guardians movie, she was the favorite or up there with the top three. That's also important!"
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"Sometimes I have a plan, and maybe the public doesn't see it originally, but I see it. I saw who Nebula was. I knew this character had an extraordinary arc and change. I related to that character a great deal, so I wasn't gonna give up on her either. So it does work both ways."


Also, James Gunn debunked recent rumor that Daniel Radcliffe was being considered to star in Clayface...
https://www.threads.net/@jamesgunn/post/DGlVQILP8hg 

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As we confirmed the other day, we’re closing a deal with James to direct. Because we don’t have a director yet, we haven’t even started the casting process. Daniel is great but we certainly haven’t talked to or considered him. So this one is 100% false.

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Colin Farrell in Talks to Star in ‘Sgt. Rock’ for DC Studios
BY BORYS KIT   MARCH 17, 2025
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/colin-farrell-in-talks-to-star-in-sgt-rock-1236164958/ 

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Colin Farrell, who waddled his way to considerable acclaim for his work as a classic DC villain in The Penguin, is in negotiations to return to the world of DC with Sgt. Rock, the World War Two action movie to be directed by Luca Guadagnino for DC Studios.

The move comes after Daniel Craig, who circled the feature project, officially stepped away and is now entertaining a role in Greta Gerwig and Netflix’s take on Narnia. No offer was ever made to Craig, DC Studios heads James Gunn and Peter Safran said in February. At the time, they said the project would shoot this summer “only if we find the perfect actor.”
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If a deal makes, Farrell would play the tough-as-nails leader of Easy Company, the combat unit fighting Nazi forces in Europe.

Created by Robert Kanigher and Joe Kubert, Sgt. Rock is a World War II soldier who first appeared in comics in 1959. His comic was one of DC’s longest-running books. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Bruce Willis previously circled the role during Hollywood’s multi-decade history of trying to bring the character to the big-screen.

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Inside Ben Affleck’s Plan to Remake Hollywood
By Zach Baron   March 25, 2025
https://www.gq.com/story/inside-ben-afflecks-plan-to-remake-hollywood 

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Do you have a coherent thought or postmortem on your time with the Batman character?

I had a really good time. I loved doing the Batman movie. I loved Batman v Superman. And I liked my brief stints on The Flash that I did and when I got to work with Viola Davis on Suicide Squad for a day or two. In terms of creatively, I really think that I like the idea and the ambition that I had for it, which was of the sort of older, broken, damaged Bruce Wayne. And it was something we really went for in the first movie.

But what happened was it started to skew too old for a big part of the audience. Like even my own son at the time was too scared to watch the movie. And so when I saw that I was like, “Oh shit, we have a problem.” Then I think that’s when you had a filmmaker that wanted to continue down that road and a studio that wanted to recapture all the younger audience at cross purposes. Then you have two entities, two people really wanting to do something different and that is a really bad recipe.

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Upfronts for major networks and streaming services start next week - Warner Bros. Discovery is scheduled for May 14...

Upfront About It: Where Major Players Stand Going Into Annual Pitch to Advertisers
By Joe Otterson, Michael Schneider, Jennifer Maas, Selome Hailu, Ethan Shanfeld, Brian Steinberg   May 6, 2025
https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/upfronts-preview-cbs-nbc-abc-fox-netflix-amazon-1236388665/ 

Full schedule

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There are TWO Teen Titans movies in development at DC Studios under James Gunn & Peter Safran
James Gunn and Peter Safran are producing a live-action Teen Titans movie and an animated Teen Titans Go! film
By Joshua Lapin-Bertone   May 9, 2025
https://www.thepopverse.com/movies-dc-studios-james-gunn-peter-safran-teen-titans-film-confirmed-teen-titans-go-sequel 

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Warner Bros. Pictures co-chairs Mike Del Luca casually dropped this Titans Tower-sized bit of news while on a business podcast.

“I think James and Peter are working on a live-action Teen Titans, and a new Teen Titans Go! actually too,” Mike De Luca says during an episode of the SmartLess podcast with his Warner Bros. Pictures co-chair Pam Abdy.

It should be noted that Warner Bros. Discovery president David Zaslav split DC Studios from Warner Bros. Pictures in 2022. This means that De Luca and Abdy wouldn’t be involved in the production of either Titans project. However, Warner Bros. Pictures would be the distributor for DC Studios’ theatrical slate, such as the upcoming Superman film and Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow, and would be aware of other theatrical projects such as the aforementioned Teen Titans movies (plural).

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Can Warner’s DC Studios Rise From the Ashes With ‘Superman?’ | Analysis
Umberto Gonzalez   June 2, 2025
https://www.thewrap.com/superman-success-stakes-box-office-dc-studios-warner-bros/ 

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Given the previous DCEU’s (DC Extended Universe) commercial shortcomings, and underwhelming results for the 2023 release “The Flash,” DC Studios appears to be taking a cautious approach to expanding beyond Batman. “Outside of anything Batman-related, DC will most likely wait to react to how ‘Superman’ performs before deciding on which superhero from their library to tackle next,” the DC insider told TheWrap. “Greenlighting ‘Supergirl’ may seem risky, but it extends the new universe they are trying to establish and shows a commitment to the larger brand.”
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This careful strategy is not only cognizant of the cooler market for the superhero genre (even Marvel’s last two films have failed to crack $500 million) but also reflects lessons learned from the previous Warner regime’s failures.
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Earlier this month during the the studio’s first quarter earnings call, Zaslav underlined how critical he sees DC as a pillar of his IP approach. “When you look at the major characters that James Gunn and Peter Safran are developing with their 10-year plan around DC, that is to build asset value for us globally everywhere in the world, Wonder Woman, Batman, Superman, Supergirl,” he said. “We look at those as big asset builders and big differentiators.”

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From James Gunn's Threads on June 13...

https://www.threads.com/@jamesgunn/post/DK3WRNDxqDo

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jamesgunn   1d
In the DCU if you die, you're dead.

https://www.threads.com/@jamesgunn/post/DK3WRNDxqDo

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jamesgunn   1d
What backfires more is people believing there are no stakes and death doesn't mean anything. Dead is dead.

https://www.threads.com/@utkarshbansal95/post/DK3VufuJGAD

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Question: as someone who loves the no-resurrections rule, I do wonder, doesn't it limit you from using established elements of DC comics lore like the Lazarus pit?

https://www.threads.com/@jamesgunn/post/DK3WB0yRJ1C

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Well I wouldn't mind using the Lazarus Pit (and/or resurrection) in a story. But it would have to be a part of the story itself. I won't be killing major characters just to pop them in the old LP to be alive again.

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This was a very long interview, so I put the Superman comments in the Superman thread and the Supergirl comments in the Supergirl thread...

‘Superman’ Director James Gunn: ‘You Don’t Want Everyone to Root for You’
DC Studios’ co-CEO goes deep on his high-stakes take on the Man of Steel, the future of his new DC universe, and how getting fired helped him feel loved
By Brian Hiatt   June 16, 2025
https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/superman-director-james-gunn-dc-studios-interview-1235356450/ 

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And that’s one of the biggest rules you’ve made for DC — that they have to have finished scripts.
Yeah. We just killed a project. Everybody wanted to make the movie. It was greenlit, ready to go. The screenplay wasn’t ready. And I couldn’t do a movie where the screenplay’s not good. And we’ve been really lucky so far, because Supergirl’s script was so fucking good off the bat. And then Lanterns came in, and the script was so fucking good. Clayface, same thing. So fucking good. So we have these scripts that we’ve been really lucky with or wise in our choices or whatever the combination is.
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You once said that the fact that Robert Pattinson’s Batman is not in this universe was Matt Reeves’ choice. Does that mean if it were up to you, you would’ve just pulled that into your universe?
It would be a consideration. We’d have to think about it. We’d have to think about it. It is not like we’ve never discussed it.

It’s interesting, your answer is much more present tense than I expected. As if it’s an ongoing possibility.
No, I don’t — Batman’s my biggest issue in all of DC right now, personally. And it’s not — I’m not writing Batman, but I am working with the writer of Batman and trying to get it right, because he’s incredibly important to DC, as is Wonder Woman. So outside of the stuff that I’m doing in the projects that are actively going, our two priorities are finishing our Wonder Woman and our Batman scripts.

The Batman script — is that still called The Brave and the Bold?
Right now, yeah. Right now.

In the broadest sense, what needs to be figured out to make those two properties work — Batman in this universe?
Batman has to have a reason for existing, right? So Batman can’t just be “Oh, we’re making a Batman movie because Batman’s the biggest character in all of Warner Bros.,” which he is. But because there’s a need for him in the DCU and a need that he’s not exactly the same as Matt’s Batman. But yet he’s not a campy Batman. I’m not interested in that. I’m not interested in a funny, campy Batman, really. So we’re dealing with that. I think I have a way in, by the way. I think I really know what it’s — I just am dealing with the writer to make sure that we can make it a reality.

And how about for Wonder Woman? 
Similar. Wonder Woman I think is actually easier for me, because there haven’t been so many infinite portrayals of Wonder Woman — definitely not in movies, but really anywhere — that there have been of Batman. Every single Batman story has been told. It seems like half the comics that have come out of DC over the past 30 years have Batman in them. He’s the most famous superhero in the world and the most popular superhero in the world. And people love him because he’s interesting, but also having so much of him out there can also make him boring. So how do you create that property that’s fun to watch?

I really should clear this up. Is there still a non-zero chance that Matt Reeves’ Batman will get sucked into your universe?
[Long pause.] I would never say zero, because you just never know. But it’s not likely. It’s not likely at all. I’ll also say Batman Part II is not canceled. That’s the other thing I hear all the time — that Batman Part II is canceled. It’s not canceled. We don’t have a script. Matt’s slow. Let him take his time. Let him do what he’s doing. God, people are mean. Let him do his thing, man.

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DC's Man of Tomorrow: James Gunn on Superman, Gods and Monsters, and what's next (exclusive)
By Nick Romano.   June 19, 2025
https://ew.com/james-gunn-interview-superman-gods-and-monsters-future-dcu-titles-exclusive-11755992 

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You titled this first phase of the DCU as Gods and Monsters. How much of Superman is really crucial to that overarching story that you're thinking of telling across all of these films and TV shows? 
Oh, it is very important. I wouldn't say Creature Commandos is important, but Peacemaker and Superman are both pretty important in terms of getting to the bigger story. At the same time, I am really trying to be careful that anybody can dip in and see the story that is up next and not feel like they're missing information. The other stories can provide added texture to what you're watching. That might change down the line as we get deeper into what's happening in this universe. It could be like Infinity War and Endgame, where you kind of have to see Infinity War to know what's going on in Endgame. But right now, I'm trying to keep it so that you don't have to see Superman to see Supergirl, for example. Even though there's a lot of stuff in Superman that leads to Peacemaker, you certainly don't need to see it to see Peacemaker. It's just good if you have, but we also say "Previously in the DCU" before every episode, so the TV stuff's pretty easy.
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Something your colleague David Zaslav [head of parent company Warner Bros. Discovery] said around one of these investor calls...He mentioned that Superman, Batman, Supergirl, and Wonder Woman are going to be the core pillars of DC, at least for now. Is that accurate?
Yeah, I think that's accurate, actually. I think that he got that from me. I wouldn't say only those four characters, but I would say that those four characters are incredibly important to us. Right now, I feel great about where two of those characters are, and then we're dealing with the other two. 

Have you cast the other two, Wonder Woman and Batman?
No...Well, we cast Robert Pattinson, so he is still there. But he's still important. What Matt's doing is still really important, despite all stories to the contrary. We're supposed to see that script shortly and I can't wait. 

One of the things that you and Peter emphasized early on is bringing this idea of unity and cohesion across all of these DC titles, but then you also have these Elseworlds titles, like Reeves' films and the Penguin series. How do you see both of those things remaining true?
Well, it is going to be mostly DCU, and then occasionally there's some Elseworlds tales. There are things that naturally lend themselves to Elseworlds tales. We have a lot of animated projects and they are sort of a different beast; they aren't all like Creature Commandos. The truth is, the DCU, we give people a lot of freedom to tell different stories, but also we have to be really involved to make sure that, say, the power set of Supergirl and Superman are the same. There's a lot of really silly s--- that we have to give notes on in screenplays, like powers or what cities exist in the DCU that don't exist in other places. We aren't the regular world; we're the DCU. There isn't necessarily Seattle, but there's an Evergreen. There isn't necessarily a New York, but there's a Gotham. So all of that type of stuff needs to be dialed in. 
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If it's an Elseworlds tale, then it's worth telling something that might tend to confuse a few people. But also part of our thing is really being clear about what is Elseworlds and what is DCU. And the other thing is not just giving away properties like they're party favors to people doing low-budget TV shows or stuff that we have no quality control over because we're making a few thousand dollars on the rights. It is having some sense of quality control over everything.
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What goes into a decision to bring Clayface into the DCU versus an Elseworlds title? 
Well, I think it was just we needed DCU content. Mike Flanagan is somebody who I've been friendly with for a long time, and he wrote me about Clayface. He texted me about it really early on in my DC journey. Just being honest, I did not think that was something that was going to happen, but he came in and he pitched the idea and I was like, "Oh s---! That's cool." It's a body horror movie. It's a horror movie that, like any cool body horror movie, just happens to be in the DCU. And then he wrote the script, and the script was fantastic. We did not plan to do Clayface. That was really something he brought to us. 

Because this is DCU, is this the same Clayface that we met in Creature Commandos
I think that everyone will find that out.

In terms of the timeline for the Gods and Monsters phase, Superman is shot and coming out this year, Peacemaker season 2 coming out this year, Supergirl is wrapped, Clayface is going to be filmed. What's the next project that's closest to starting principal photography?
I'm about to wrap Peacemaker. Peacemaker and Superman are both going to end up being sound mixed and color timed at about the same time in the next two weeks. We're going to see early episodes of that soon. Lanterns is halfway through filming. We're going to see early episodes of that soon.

Then there's another TV show that's my favorite thing in all of this, that is hopefully getting made soon. It's just my favorite thing. And then there's the movie...Oh s---! I don't know what I'm allowed to say or not say, but there's a couple of other movies that are being written, one of which is in pretty good shape, another which is kind of closer to the start, but we feel positive about. And then there's a thing I'm writing, which I think it's okay.... So what will be the next thing after Clayface is not 100 percent certain, but it's pretty certain. 

How much of these undisclosed titles are things that have already been announced versus things that haven't?
My favorite thing has not been announced at all. One of the scripts people kind of know about. My script people don't know about. The other script people don't know about. So it's mostly stuff people don't know about.... A couple of those things [announced in January 2023] are in pretty good shape in terms of coming up, but there was one thing that I knew about from the very beginning, that when I pitched to David Zaslav what the DCU would be, I pitched to him, but we did not announce in that first meeting because I felt like it was too easy to rip off by another company. And so that's one of the main things. 

Is a Superman sequel on your mind?
What I'm working on is in some way…I mean, yes, yes, yes, yes. But is it a straight-up Superman sequel? I would not say necessarily.
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Paradise Lost...
Paradise Lost
is moving along. It's slow-moving, but it's moving. And, yeah, I really love that project a lot. 

Is that really directly connected to your larger plans for Wonder Woman in this space? 
Yes. Well, yes and no. Wonder Woman's a separate thing. We're working on Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman's being written right now. So it's different. I mean, not different. They're connected. She's from f---ing Themyscira, so...

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DC Studios Showcase Official Podcast | Episode 15: James Gunn | Max
Max   Jun 20, 2025

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00:00 Superpowers: What Would You Do? 
01:35 Welcome to DC Studio Showcase 
02:41 Special Guest: James Gunn 
02:57 James Gunn's Career Highlights 
04:26 The State of DC Studios 
08:37 James Gunn on Social Media 
10:28 Directing and Producing Insights 
26:18 Music and Movies: James Gunn's Approach 
34:11 Discovering Ska and Creature Commandos 
34:29 Evolution of Filmmaking and Personal Growth 
38:06 Superman and the Concept of Family 
38:31 Upcoming Projects and Character Development 
40:46 The Popularity of G.I. Robot and Nina 
43:45 The Importance of Character Consistency 
48:46 Casting Choices and Inspirations 
01:00:41 The Vision for Lanterns and Clayface 
01:07:07 Final Thoughts and Future Episodes 

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