S22.E15: Eric Schlosser, Frank Bruni, Douglas Murray

[sheetmoss]

Douglas Murray thinks quite a bit about himself

[aghst]

Three shills for Israel.

Bill still hasn't mentioned the huge number of casualties.  Instead they emphasize October 7.

Casualties on that date were around 1300.

Estimated casualties in Gaza are like 30 times that amount.

Bill asks Murray about whether Israel is allowing food aid through and Murray claims it is allowing it through.  UN has warned more than once about famine conditions in Gaza and there are multiple reports of food aid vehicles being blown up, including the infamous attack on the World Central Kitchen convoy being attacked and aid workers being killed.

So they don't discuss any of it.

Murray was biting his tongue most of the show as Bill and Bruni talked about how awful Trump is and then said at the end that Democrats also denied Trump won in 2016.

No there are people who said Trump is not their president.  But there was no denial that he won that election nor did they try to attack the Capitol to stop the certification of election results.

In this country, we're allowed not to agree with or like certain politicians.

But that's a far cry from election denial, which Trump still promotes to this day, along with millions of his followers.

The posh British accent -- "partiZAN" -- does not hide the awful beliefs, which are no better than low-information MAGA.

Schlosser pointed out to Bill that Ozempic may be better than remaining morbidly obese, which threatens their health.  Some people can't lose weight without some kind of medical intervention.

 

[Spartan Girl]

18 hours ago, sheetmoss said:

Douglas Murray thinks quite a bit about himself

Just like Bill.

[Chalby]

On 5/11/2024 at 1:36 PM, aghst said:

Bill still hasn't mentioned the huge number of casualties.  Instead they emphasize October 7.

Casualties on that date were around 1300.

Estimated casualties in Gaza are like 30 times that amount.

In this country, we're allowed not to agree with or like certain politicians.

Love your post.

I have a question, and I'm not trying to be either funny, rude or naive. I recognize the USA is a great country and a model for democracy.

Why, when wars break out in other countries, do American citizens demand USA intervention? (I recognize that other countries/people are also demanding the US address war issues).

People migrate to the USA for opportunity, safety, and/or democracy. Yet people are demanding the US spend $ for wars in Ukraine and Gaza.

Even if the US stopped trading entirely with Israel, who does that help? Unless I'm actually there, in the middle of what's going on, I don't know if I can trust any media reports I read.

 

[aghst]

I don't know that people are demanding that US intervene or be the world's policeman necessarily.

Americans are certainly vocal about what the country should do.

We're one of the few to have the economic and military might to project power in almost every corner of the group.  If not the only one.

In Ukraine, one could argue that it's in our strategic interest to have Russia's military assets be ground down, so they lose a lot of tanks, aircraft, artillery, etc. as well as men who could be drafted.

If the US went isolationist and let Russia take over Ukraine, followed by incursions into other former Soviet republics and then eventually Western Europe, that wouldn't be a tenable situation either.

Europe under the control of a power hostile to the US was presumably one reason the US entered WWII, even though there was very little popular support for it at the time, until Pearl Harbor.

Israel, maybe at one time we wanted an ally there, especially during the Cold War when Syria and Egypt, the main Arab military powers, were Soviet clients.

That's less of a reason but there are long historic and cultural ties with Israel now.

As for the current situation in Gaza, its a very lopsided fight, with a lot of civilians being killed and objectives like eliminating Hamas or freeing the hostages don't seem to be being met.

What Bill seems not to admit is that the casualties may just alienate more and more of the Middle East against Israel and the US.  Before October 7, Israel was on the verge of reaching some kind of pact with Saudi Arabia but that seems out the window now.

 

[Tara]

On 5/12/2024 at 7:36 PM, Chalby said:

Why, when wars break out in other countries, do American citizens demand USA intervention?

I don’t think we do. Except for this Israel thing, which may have evolved with the use of racism as a way to claim righteousness in this country. And I am surprised to see Bill use that.

[Chalby]

On 5/20/2024 at 7:16 AM, Tara said:

I don’t think we do. Except for this Israel thing, which may have evolved with the use of racism as a way to claim righteousness in this country. And I am surprised to see Bill use that.

I truly appreciate your response. I'm always curious how the average American reacts to information that we all see in the headlines

On 5/12/2024 at 4:46 PM, aghst said:

I don't know that people are demanding that US intervene or be the world's policeman necessarily.

Americans are certainly vocal about what the country should do.

We're one of the few to have the economic and military might to project power in almost every corner of the group.  If not the only one.

In Ukraine, one could argue that it's in our strategic interest to have Russia's military assets be ground down, so they lose a lot of tanks, aircraft, artillery, etc. as well as men who could be drafted.

If the US went isolationist and let Russia take over Ukraine, followed by incursions into other former Soviet republics and then eventually Western Europe, that wouldn't be a tenable situation either.

Europe under the control of a power hostile to the US was presumably one reason the US entered WWII, even though there was very little popular support for it at the time, until Pearl Harbor.

Israel, maybe at one time we wanted an ally there, especially during the Cold War when Syria and Egypt, the main Arab military powers, were Soviet clients.

That's less of a reason but there are long historic and cultural ties with Israel now.

As for the current situation in Gaza, its a very lopsided fight, with a lot of civilians being killed and objectives like eliminating Hamas or freeing the hostages don't seem to be being met.

What Bill seems not to admit is that the casualties may just alienate more and more of the Middle East against Israel and the US.  Before October 7, Israel was on the verge of reaching some kind of pact with Saudi Arabia but that seems out the window now.

 

Thank you for your well written response.

Edited May 24 by Chalby