carryanation

We've seen her get drunk off her ass in three different episodes now and drive drunk in two. I think she's an alcoholic. One thing that's bothered me this whole season: People have mentioned that it's weird we never see her emotional reaction to the pregnancy but I think it's even weirder that she didn't have one for Noah airing all their dirty laundry in best-selling novel. Wouldn't she have an opinion on hundreds of thousands of people knowing all the lurid details of the destruction of their marriage? I mean she didn't like her friends gossiping about her before and it's got to be... so much worse now.

Wow, Alison really doesn't give a damn about that baby though previously in the season she'd wanted another kid. I would have thought Joanie would have been a way to help overcome the lose of Gabriel and she would be extra attached and attentive to her as a way of making up for his death but I guess not. Denying Cole, someone who would care about her, the first years of his daughter's life is utterly unforgivable. Well, now Helen's been utterly destroyed. You could say now she's the worst character after Scotty (and both are/were substance abusers). A pattern of drunk driving and then letting others take the fall for the resulting vehicular homicide is worse than anything even Noah's done, even though he finds new ways to make me hate him every week. Thinking he deserves credit for not cheating even though the only reason he didn't was because the other woman stopped it? Saying he was angry at Alison for announcing her pregnancy right after he (arguably) raped her? I never liked Cole, so Helen was the one character left. But now... God, all these people are awful. Just... to hell with them all.

Noah needs to just leave Alison and find a woman who would be alright with an open relationship. And if he wants to be honest, he needs to start with her. Me? I would never stay with anyone who I knew really desired to "fuck who [they] want" and was just reluctantly and resentfully staying faithful for my sake. Also, LOL that Noah thinks infidelity makes him some sort of special snowflake. And Noah cares so little about his children that their existence doesn't even register in his memories and he would have no problem leaving them (including the new baby... and Alison) for two years.

I haven't liked him since that scene where Alison says she wants to sell the ranch and move and Cole rather cruelly shuts her down, saying there's no escaping the past and Gabriel's death. It's also clear that Alison didn't want to deal drugs and was just doing it for him because, as she said, she didn't care what happened to her, even if it was prison. (Which was a risk that Cole didn't seem to mind her taking.) He sacrificed his wife's happiness and his marriage for the goddamn ranch and I was glad he lost it along with her.

If the baby turns out to be Noah's after all, I'm going to be pissed. This is going a little too far to just turn out to be misdirection. Not to mention all the curse nonsense would just be a huge waste of time. Speaking of which... come on. Cole burning down the house with baby-killing grandpappy's moonshine, thereby symbolically destroying the past and breaking his own curse as Luisa had told him he must do and so allowing Alison to successfully give birth to a healthy daughter whose cries he psychically hears? That was all so over the top and silly. And there will be no legal ramifications for his arson, I assume. Also, at the Hollywood Coke and Sex Party I was waiting for Noah to actually do a line off a hooker's ass like Jordan Belfort. Fully live the stereotype, Noah!

The quotes from the creators saying Noah is a good guy are really disconcerting. I mean I've hated characters whose writers' liked them before but I understood why they liked them. I mean usually I can see how they're trying to make their characters likable and just failing at it. But with Noah there is just a series of empirically, objectively bad actions that I can't see anyone condoning. Does the Sarah Treem lady think it's acceptable behavior to get hammered and punch a critic who doesn't like your book? Or to try to bang three different women when your pregnant fiancee is waiting at home? Is that what she does? Does she really just not realize these things are wrong? Is she a bad person?

Ernest Schiffbaum is awesome. That is all.

I don't know. Alison has always seemed cheerful in Noah's memory. That's why I didn't understand Athena's "you're attracted to her darknesss" thing. She's only had darkness in her own version of events, not Noah's. Can I reiterate he doesn't know or care to know a thing about Alison: who she is or what she thinks or feels? She's basically just a Real Doll to him.

Note: I'm assuming this is the general, all-purpose series discussion thread. From the episode 3 thread: Thank you all for saying this: If you just watched Noah's POV for both seasons, you wouldn't even know Alison had a son. Did she even actually tell him about Gabriel or did she just misremember that she did? Can we get SOME indication Noah even knows Gabriel existed to clear this up? Please? Just a little off-hand reference? I mean, Noah asking why kids need to grow up and not knowing why Alison wouldn't get in the pool? Is any human alive really that clueless? I liked their conversation about her demons because it's the first time he's seen her as having any sort of inner life or really being anything but a walking sex doll. He was until this moment was utterly oblivious to the fact that she was in any sort of pain or distress. And even after that I still don't know if he knows about Gabriel, since he wasn't mentioned. I just don't understand how the creator/writer apparently thinks they're portraying love and have one of the lovers be completely ignorant of the most important and defining aspect of the other. That they lost a child and are grieving.

This is from the first episode thread, A lot of people said this last season and I agreed until the episode where Alison threw herself at Oscar when she was upset at Noah's seeming rejection. I think the writers were trying to show that she acts out sexually when she's in pain. Maybe Noah's version was more accurate, precisely because it was the anniversary of her son's death.

The way Noah recalls his first meetings with Alison doesn’t make sense if they are married. He called her "bad news" and doesn’t seem see her as anything but a vampy, trampy piece of ass in his versions, with no other qualities besides sexiness and wanting to jump on his dick. Is the story of how you met your wife/the love of your life really going to sound like it should began with "Dear Penthouse, Before I never thought your letters were true…" Also, this has been bothering me, but on one of the episode’s previouslys they made a point of showing a clip of Bruce being assigned babysitting duties by Helen. I assumed along with Martin’s hatred of him and him complimenting Whitney’s ass that they were setting him up to be a Chester. Now I’m wondering what the point was.

What a crock. Sparks and Asian Richard Belzer just disappear without a mention and we don't even know if the latter is still alive? How did Sparks react to finding out that Katie was really dead? What happened to Odin and the girlfriend? Like drugged-addicted Kern's father. Evil!Ethan and the pigeons. Ethan's little robot friend. Julie's split from John and potential rebellion. Yasumoto's pregnant wife.

I think the show is pretty consistently portraying mistrust and rejection of tech as a bad thing, what with hypocritical terrorist Odin and how Marcus’ insistence on not using the auto-pilot in his car gets himself and his son killed. It’s a nice change from what usually comes out of Hollywood. Re: Robot children. I think it makes since for Ethan to be a child because despite his intellect he’s still morally/socially a child and must be taught right and wrong and basic socialization skills, just as you would a child.

Aw. Now I kind of like little murderous alien space mutant ghost hybrid thing... And I loved both reveals with Invisible!Molly and Dead!Katie. Both were creepy and surprising. What did Charlie find out about Odin earlier? Because if it was that he was a luddite terrorist, the correct reaction would have been to say to Julie "Your boyfriend’s a luddite terrorist," instead of whatever it is he said to her.

I have to believe that Molly is being mind-controlled by the alien to still believe in its benevolent intentions even after the body count it’s racked up. I mean no one who made it through astronaut school could be that stupid.