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After watching Jackson’s scenes...I’m irritated with his behavior and attitude with maggie, he’s been acting like such a playboy and it’s not a good look on him.
But I want to talk about the couch scene between him and maggie. Kelly got the props last night from Krista but imo Jesse carried the emotional weight of that scene and that’s cause Jackson has so much emotional history with the audience. We’ve seen his struggles.
I had complained so often last season that Jackson’s history was being swiped away to put him and maggie on the same level. They did that! But now they’ve given it back to him and it just makes him and maggie seem way mismatched more than ever, not even getting into how bad their chemstry is and how they aren’t a strong enough pair to carry this.
So i watched the couch scene, and I came away feeling so very sad for Jackson. He’s going to live his best life but he’s going to regret how it won’t be as amazing as it could have been. Jesse really tapped into that sadness and wow, when Jesse Williams actually cares and connects he’s amazing. This is the most depth he’s shown since no Montana! (Not shocking since the same writer who wrore montana wrote this episode)
Concerning April, I think just labeling the reason they are apart as “cause God” is an incredibly broad stroke and doesn’t even come close to covering the intricacies of it all, but from what I heard and saw...he feels that now that he believes and has a better understanding of April’s faith, that he would have been more open to aprils train of thought and she might have leaned on him more. Because IMO, I think april left to grieve on her own because she felt she couldn’t lean on him BECAUSE he not only didn’t believe, but felt it silly. I always think back to the episode where samuel died and she’s understandably struggling with what she has to do and she talks about waiting for a miracle, then she stops and seems to shake herself out of it and says “why am I even talking to you about this?”. April felt she couldn’t be open about this.
Well now Jackson is in the same headspace, and maybe he feels this huge gulf between them has now shortened and it’s just too late. April has moved on. That realization that now you feel you could be what she needs in a way you might not have been able to before is devastating! I felt Jackson’s devestation. I mean, his struggle isn’t about God, it’s about april. I’m so so sad for him.
Maggie...Krista went on about how Kelly unpacked what makes maggie broken which would have been great if it’s not the same ol BS that she monologues about EVERY SEASON!
Maggie does not have the emotional maturity to deal with that this, and hey, she’s been honest about that. Granted I don’t think she expected what she heard when she said “try me”. But girl is massively in way over her head with Jackson right now. “Messy” and “complicated” are the nice ways to describe what he’s going through.
This was all about Jackson and his baggage to me. I don’t know what they are going for but I don’t know how jaggie become anything iconic after this.
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8 minutes ago, deaja said:
I realize Meredith had a somewhat complex relationship with her mom, but I find it so weird that after her mom’s death she’s come to such terms with her that she named a child after her but acts like Thatcher was the devil for not fighting for more of a relationship with her. Not that she’s wrong in her Thatcher feelings- I just find it weird.
In my opinion, Ellis sucked as a parent way worse than Thatcher.
It bothers me a lot this rewritten history with Ellis.
From what I remember, after she died, Meredith reasoned that while she was a horrible mother she was also an extraordinary surgeon that she should learn from. That’s somehow morphed into feelings of warmth and nurture to the point of naming her daughter after her which to this day irritates me.
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30 minutes ago, iMonrey said:
I'm kind of surprised Patrick Dempsey and T.R. Knight agreed to let the show use their images. They have to give permission for that, you know.
The way Krista described it, they still have ownership of their images of past images. I’m not sure if it means still having to pay them a residual.
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5 minutes ago, Joana said:
Also, it's beyond hilarious that the two characters that were written out because "there were no more stories to tell about them" now have their own stories rehashed through other people. Both of them.
Thank you!
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I really didn’t care for Jackson this episode. He honestly was behaving like a douche bag who knew he messed up. His whole demeanor is just weird but this honestly reminds me of how he was with Stephanie at times. Trying to use his charm and appeal to get her to agree. And maggie didn’t hold him accountable. Maybe at face value this episode was supposed to show how “healthy” they are but beyond that it’s not holding.
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3 hours ago, Chas411 said:
So has Jesse Williams been written off for a few episodes?
Yes because he was filming a movie at this time but he was only gone a money so I think he only going to be gone three episodes tops.
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5 minutes ago, bybrandy said:
As a former Japril shipper I have to say that while I'm not a person of faith having Avery go through an issue of faith without having April there to react to it really, really, really bugs me.It bothers me a lot and makes me bitter for all the possibilities that will never come out.
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Does anyone one think it’s weird that a character whose faith was such an integral part of her character and a major topic in her main ship was written off and now both those things are being transferred to Jackson and jaggie?
I cant help but feel really jipped. What he’s going through is profound and would have meant to much to japril. I really wish they would have thought of something else for these two that didn’t have remnants of April.
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3 minutes ago, funnygirl said:
I believe that she was invited back last season, if not they wouldn't have resorted to having Callie send Arizona a text message. And I never believed Shonda's claim that CBS said no because Johnny Galecki of Big Bang Theory fame was able to film an episode of Roseanne (for those unaware: BBT is on CBS, Roseanne was on ABC). His character on BBT is a lead vs. Sara's character on Madam Secretary who is about as revered as the new interns on Grey's.
Maybe Shonda was trying to save face and not throw Sara under the bus. And maybe CBS isn't too happy with Sara for letting them take the fall.
I dunno, but it doesn't matter at this point. Callie's not coming back without Arizona. They pretty much closed out both of their stories in the season finale. It's just too bad Sara wasn't there, for whatever reason, to be a part of it.
But Sara implied that she wasn’t asked. She said the ball was now in their court. So I don’t know how to infer that she was asked and refused. I took it as she was never asked but Shonda and Krista didn’t want crap from the calzona fandom so they said cbs wouldn’t let her, which seems like a dumb thing to do as well.
I do agree, there’s no place for callie anymore. All of her people are gone.
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Sarah is as classy and genuine as I’ve come to expect from her but she wasn’t bullshitting in that interview. This was incredibly honest and raw. I hope for the absolute best for her and it does sound like she’s genuinely excited for what’s ahead.
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51 minutes ago, LaughingOne said:
I think it's pretty simple why April fans don't buy this ending for her - they didn't see how she got there. She gave up a surgical position that she had fought hard for, clawing her way back in after she was fired twice. She quickly fell in love with a man that had previously been just a placeholder for her. And the man she fell for? He had been publicly left by her at the altar and his wife had just died. And they didn't bother to show any of these huge twists on-screen. They were explained by other character in a few sentences of dialogue. You can "yada yada" minor details. You can't "yada yada" huge life changes for a character. Fans don't buy April's ending because Krista didn't bother to write the scenes that led up to it.
This is a lot of it BASEOPS, what you described is nice, it just wasn’t on screen. April’s exit was handled in a sentence from Jackson to Maggie. She couldn’t even have April explain herself what the heck she’ll be doing. Krista had to go on Twitter and explain further what April is doing.
Matthew was brought in back in season 10 to represent April’s old ideals for what she wanted in a man. I might have been able to buy him being endgame now but Krista couldn’t be bothered to show us any of it.
Yeah she didn’t die but that shouldn’t be the standard for having a good exit. I know april didn’t have that many close relationships but she’s been there for 9 years, she had no last scenes with anyone except Jackson and Arizona.
There are fans who didn’t even register that that was April’s last episode.
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I’ve been speculating this for weeks especially after Sarah and Jessica were let go. Krista said jn her THR interview at the beginning of the season that if she had room in her budget she’d have Kim back in a heartbeat...well she made room!
Whats unfortunate is teddy is going to be used as a folly for Owen and Amelia and the final piece to Kristas new “modern family”.
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1 hour ago, RedbirdNelly said:
I think it's most likely they will just drop the Jackson/God thing next season like it never happened--esp with April not being on the show to bring up the issue.
If they do continue it, I don't really care--except I don't want them to basically redo the Jackson/April debate over religion via Jackson/Maggie. That's what bothered me the most when Jackson and Maggie were chatting about it--it kind of read like we are going to redo that storyline just with different characters and Jackson in the April role. Hopefully not.
I will be really upset if they replay that storyline with Jackson and maggie. Krista has recycled enough.
But like you said, maggie isn’t religious and there’s no one to keep him accountable about this, it’ll just kind of go by the waistside. Which I prefer. This storyline could have been really amazing with a character that it would have been profound for (instead of insulting people who don’t believe) and with a showrunner who cares about religion in the slightest beyond a surface “God’s Work” understanding.
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My bad, you’re right he said he’d believe in God.
If jackson went on this journey it would be interesting. But I’m gonna be that person...you had someone with deep religious roots questioning God and you give the exploration of God and different religions to Jackson? This is the kind of thing that really burns me.
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22 minutes ago, LaughingOne said:
This is one of the only season 15 stories I’m actually interested in, just because it’s different than the average personal stories we’ve seen on Greys (which usually just involve falling in love, cheating, surprise pregnancies and sucky parents). We’ve seen Jackson reach out to God before - asking him to show up for April when they found out about Samuel - so it’s not entirely out of nowhere. And now as he sees it, he made this deal - April lives, he will believe. Jackson is a frustrating character to me at times, but one thing he tends to do is follow through, so I can see this spiritual quest actually turning into a real thing. It could be interesting.
If that actually happens and it’s something that gets actually explored for more than an episode than that will be very interesting and something I can see myself checking out.
Thing is, without April there, I don’t see how or why hed do it. Maggie and Jackson and a giggle kiss moment about neither one of them knows about religion so it doesn’t mean as much to them as a pair as it would have to jackson and April. What is the motivation for him to actually learn about Christianity? No one will hold him to it and he doesn’t have the visual reminder (April) to hold him accountable.
I have a feeling this was something to make it seem like japril have closure with this issue. Which like most of their conflicts in season 14, it’s a very surface resolution.
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14 hours ago, beautifulGA said:
I don't have any words. for me, krista stepping in as show runner (with lack of understanding of characters true course) is a disservice to fans who have dedicated years to this show.
no wonder this season has been so all over the place.
Krista is gonna get away with this cause by all accounts this is a HEA but to whittle her down to April’s most basic trait and strip away all it’s complexities, her religion, and make that the basis for how she writes her out and how april makes her decisions. It ignores everything april has learned.
April had always yearned for professional acceptance and never got it. I’m as upset over that as I am over japril not being endgame.
Gosh matthew is such a representation of april pre season 9-13 and it drives me crazy that Krista just doesn’t care about April or her fans. I’ve never been more insulted for a fictional character and I’ve never been given a clearer message of “if you loved april, I don’t want you here”
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2 minutes ago, jschoolgirl said:
There's been a lot of "awareness" stuff this season. April's work with Seattle's homeless population ties into that, as Seattle's problem is unbelievably bad.
Something that was used as a one off line to get a character out of the show. I don’t beliefe for a second Krista actually cares to explore that. She couldn’t muster up the care to actually explain what kind of work april would be doing.
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I actually watched the whole episode save for the first 15 mins.
As an April fan I don’t think I’ve ever been more upset. I know this has the dressings of a happy ending for April...and hey, I guess she didn’t die so that’s a plus. But this ending just feels spiteful towards fans of April and of japril.
Mind you I’d have accepted any other scenario then what we actually got.
April’s exit wasn’t even played out for us to understand, we’re just told she quit her job...WTF? To do God’s work? In season 11 she tells Jackson that God gave her a calling and she followed it...SHE WAS ALREADY DOING GODS WORK! But Krista couldn’t even exaplin what exactly April would be doing outside of working with the homeless...she had to go on Twitter to tell people when they called her out. The lackadaisical and flippant attitude about April’s exit enfuriates me and tells me April was never supposed to live to the finale.
Then japril. I know they weren’t getting back together. But Krista literally walked them back to the season 10 episode before maprils wedding. That procedure they did on the wedding planner is the exact procedure Jackson and April did on the patient Matthew tried to give a trache (with a straw) back in season 10. Krista pretty much “course corrected” to the ending she wanted.
Then we couldn’t even get a good last scene with them. You can tell Krista did it to throw a bone to fans but they tried their hardest to make that scene not mean more than two friends saying goodbye. We never got any conversation about the pain THEY ACTUALLY SHARE. I’m supposed to beliefe Matthew and April have this special connection due to their loss and ignore two people who actually share a specific tragedy! Ugh.
mind you, no one from the cast including sadah drew acknowledges mapril in the finale and I’m loving it. They know how much it was BS.
Lastly on this, Krista reduced April to the easiest trait she could milk. Her religion. How many times was it freaking mentioned this episode? It was 80% of Matthews proposal. WTH? April was about so much more but Krista doesn’t think so. Honestly if you string april from season 7, when Krista was last on the show, to now...and ignore 9-13, it makes a lot more sense. To Krista, april was never meant to be taken seriously. And the exit she got shows how seriously Krista ever thought of April in the end.
So yeah I’m not happy at all and I’m not even mad about japril not ending up together at this point.
But other then that, there was a lot of fun and hijinks to be had. So no one is concerned there’s a life skeleton in the shed? No one called the police. That’s such a freaking weird and random thing to put in.
Bailey, you can tell Krista wrote this. Bailey is going on and on and then talks about a voice in her that’s always told her she couldn’t stop and then literslltnsays “that’s probably the patriarchy”...WTF IS THAT? so now being driven is the fault of the patriarchy? I’m a woman and a feminist but my god can we stop blaming men for all the shit they deal with already. This didn’t even make sense.
Lastly, I’m not going to make any big declarations about my continued viewership but I will say: what happened to japril and April Kepner this season and this finale, I have never seen a show runner be so spiteful and so personal. I’ve never seen something be torpedoed like this.
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56 minutes ago, LaughingOne said:
As a big April fan, I’m so, so, so disappointed with this finale. Krista wasn’t around for April’s development into a complex character and apparently had no interest in learning about it. With this ending, she reduced her to the most simple version of herself - a sweet Christian girl who just wants to fall in love, get married and do good things - basically who she was when we were introduced to her. But simplicity is the exact opposite of what made April interesting. She was a good girl who lost her virginity on a whim because she had desires she couldn’t fight. She moved away from home and became a kick-ass surgeon, a decision her mother couldn’t understand. She was supposed to marry the good boy just like her, but selfishly ran off with the guy who was her opposite. She had big ambitions that showed themselves in stunted ways because she didn’t have the ego to claim her awesomeness. She could be selfish and erratic because she didn’t know how to assert her needs. She was a ball of contradictions and that made her so real and relatable. Krista decided to undo that with this ending. And worst of all, she just TOLD us this is who April is now because she couldn’t be bothered to write the relationships, interactions, learning that led to April being reduced to the girl her parents expected her to be. But hey, who cares because I guess she’s happy, right? At least that’s what we were told.
Yes to all this! I’m so freaking mad at how April left but Krista made sure anyone who says that looks dumb cause on the outside it’s a “perfect” ending. Yeah for anyone who didn’t know who April Kepner was, and it’s so apparent krista doesn’t know or care.
2 hours ago, Chas411 said:Hated Aprils ending mainly because she got lumbered with Mathew but if she's happy I guess...
i do understand the logic in removing either Jackson/April as fans will never move on once they're both still on the show and I think Japril has been static for seasons now.
Jackson because of his ties to Richard, Catherine and now Maggie won out. It's just a shame he and Maggie don't have a natural and easy chemistry with each other in the way they've had with other characters.
still everyone hated Jolex for the first few years and I think they've finally grown on the audience now..
If THATs The goal for jaggie then yeah that’ll eventually happen. Where people will just go with it cause the writers won’t do anything else. But if they are hoping fans will be transferring over, then they have a very naive and gross over simplification to how shipping works.
Especially when you essentially give those fans the middle finger with an ending like this.
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1 hour ago, Amethyst said:
Maggie's "There is a rhythm!" was so over the top and embarrassing. Girl, bring it down a notch.
There was a lot that was over the top and embarrassing. I can’t help it, that last scene with everyone in April’s room awake had a wizard of oz vibe. I was half expecting her to say, “and i saw you, you, and you were there too!”
And a lot of that dialogue was lifetime movie of the week cringe.
But it wasn’t without its highlights. Jesses acted the crap out of this. I loved April telling Owen how he always brings her back. Even April comforting a crying Arizona was perfect.
I have a lot of feelings about Matthew and April and all of them are negative so for now I’ll just say I don’t like it.
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Forgetting japril for a second, Matthew is the embodiment of things april has outgrown and to say that he’s the one for her feels like such a betrayal of who april is now. I don’t want her to die so if it has to be this way then so be it, but it solidifies to me that Krista doesn’t know who April Kepner became, only the April she knew back in season 7.
Then forgetting all this, I might have been down for a mapril ending if writing off april was given anywhere close the consideration and care characters like Cristina got or even callie. This feels like it was slapped on for thrills and it annoys me.
Not even mentoring how Arizona’s send off has been a “C” story and now this Hail Mary is coming in. Smh.
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10 minutes ago, beautifulGA said:
Wow does she not have a PR team?
She is beyond exhausting. The smugness and arrogance is a turn off.
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42 minutes ago, BaseOps said:
@moonorchid I guess I just struggle to see it as 'insulting' especially on Krista's part, and that's not me telling you how to feel - you're totally entitled to being upset. But Jackson and April were broken up long before Krista came around. They were literally apart for the entirety of season 12 & 13. Krista came onto the show with them as a non-couple. The Jackson/Maggie storyline was basically handed to her, too. I feel like April and Jackson have gotten much stronger writing under Vernoff than they had been getting; a few seasons ago they were filing restraining orders, fighting non-stop, having sex and not even discussing it, etc. It was an illogical mess. Vernoff came in and had them actually discuss their issues, separate amicably, and showed Jackson continue to be a good friend to her through her struggles. So I get that fans of the couple would be sad to see April leave, but I don't get how it can be framed as Krista shitting on the fans when April and Jackson haven't really been a couple for ages.
I totallt get this viewpoint cause this is also Krista view point too. I will say writing wise, I do think this season is stronger under krista. My issue, and this is really a me thing cause what I watch this show for is different then what you watch for. Japril meant a lot, and they’ve been shat on a lot like the situations you mentioned. Honestly for the most part I was encouraged by the second episode where april maturely put her self out there and said this wasn’t working for her. What’s super ironic, I actually *LIKE* this April Kepner under vernoff. The only thing I disagree about is Jackson being this great friend, cause hoenstly had anyone else been exhibiting the behaviors april had there would have been a damn intervention.
Concerning japril, it just feels like things were dropped for jaggie and now that April is leaving there’s a lot left on the table. Which would be one thing if it didn’t feel like Krista wasn’t trying to dismiss them. Another couple as highlighted as them has never been treated like this just cause the showrunner didn’t care about them.
But beyond all this...what I was referring to was the scenario the other poster presented which was what if the show just transports back to April and Matthews wedding and Jackson just never stands up and mapril get married and then we fast forward back to now and things have been sort of reset. IF as wild a scenario as that happens, that would be insulting to a fanbase that really loved and cared about them.
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Grey's Anatomy in the Media: Incident Reporting
in Grey's Anatomy
https://ew.com/tv/2018/11/08/greys-anatomy-krista-vernoff-blog/
krista talking about her directorial debut and explains a lot