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    Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

    in Counting On

    He's not completely denied internet when he is released. Here's what the order says

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    The defendant shall not possess, use, or have access to a computer or any other  electronic device that has Internet or photograph storage capabilities without prior advance notice and approval of the U.S. Probation Office. Reasonable requests by the defendant for such approval should not be denied, provided that the defendant allows the U.S. Probation Office to install Internet-monitoring software, the defendant pays for the software, and the defendant submits to random searches of his computers, electronic devices, and peripherals. Reasonable requests to use an employer's
    computer on the employer's premises should be granted as well, provided that the employment is not self-employment or employment with a person or entity that is closely affiliated with the defendant.

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    Sweet Fellowship: Duggars and Friends (aka the Bates Family and Other Featured Families Thread)

    in Counting On

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    Regarding Tim's professor and the KVJ bible. He was talking about his own experience with the KJV version. He did not throw Tim's bible in the trash. 

    This is what Jill says happened

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    It was early December that I remember talking with Timothy on the phone and he was discouraged. Not ONLY about the finances but also the spirit coming from one professor in particular at the college. He continually criticized Timothy for using the KJV 1611 Bible (which we were told before he went there, that they did NOT care which Bible you used and NEVER "pushed" their preference on you.) We knew they were not "like minded" to us in Bible Version and some Bible Doctrine. However, we were confident that Timothy's upbringing and being grounded in a GREAT church there, would bolster Timothy's faith to stand strong. Timothy DID stand strong, and hence it GREATLY discouraged him when he suffered disdain and his professor looking him in the eye and telling him that he threw his King James Version of the Bible RIGHT into the trash! (If that doesn't prove that this version of the Bible is under attack, then what does??!!)

    This is what a student from the class posted in response. 

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    Regarding the issue of the relevance of the 1611 King James Bible, we did have some good discussions in our course on Studying and Teaching the Bible. It was always a very respectful discussion and the point of the discussions on versions of the Bible was never that one was any better than any other, but rather that we should be aware of how they came into being and remember that any translation of the Bible is an attempt to make the content of scripture available to a new people. If you can’t understand the old English of the 1611 KJV, then perhaps a modern English translation would be more suitable. This was the context of when that professor mentioned that during his Biblical studies, he came to the realization that the 1611 KJV was simply not the best version for him to study from since he didn’t understand it as well as he understands a modern English version. I can’t recall if he said he threw it in the trash or not, but I think the bigger point was that he stopped using it and moved on to a different version. Tim was always encouraged to continue with his 1611 KJV if that was the one he preferred. In fact everyone was encouraged to use the version that suited them best so long as they knew who translated it and trusted the process that went into translating it.
     

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    Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

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    2 hours ago, SMama said:

    The FF has served almost six months already. He will be 44 upon release, then under supervision for 20 years. Given his record there is no way he will keep out of trouble for that long. JB and Michelle prattled about character traits and remaining in control (keeping sweet, not crying, happy bots). The FF has no self control, and is devoid of any positive character traits. 

    He's served 7 months now. He was found guilty on Dec 9, 2021 so that's when his sentence started. Doesn't seem like that long ago. 

    Because I like to keep track...

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    The Other Duggars: The Lost Girls and Amy

    in Counting On

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    15 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

    The Duggarsnark subreddit was having fun this weekend with shitposting and zero mod intervention.  I would check the timestamp on that post to see when it was posted.  Most likely, someone was having fun posting that.

    It was from a blind item submitted to Deuxmoi. I saw the originial post on Deuxmoi. But anyone can submit things there and they are not vetted, just posted as is, so there is no way to check if it's legitimate. I thought about posting it here, but decided against it since it can't be verified, and I personally doubted it. I took it to be rumor/speculation or just wishful thinking. If it happens, we'll know about it then. 

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    Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

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    It's been nearly 5 years since she had Sam. We know she's changed in that time in terms of learning boundries with her family and getting some kind of counseling, and she seems to have matured a bit. Hopefully she won't feel as overwhelmed this time. Also she won't have a toddler like she did when Sam was newborn. Sam and Israel are old enough now to do some things on their own, and also old enough to help a little bit. So I hope she does better with this baby, but time will tell. 

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    Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

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    I found the text of the Alice letters a while ago online so I saved them. Text posted under the spoiler due to length. It's wild that this info has all been around since 2007, nearly a decade before it all came out publically. Like a lot of us here, I definitely remember hearing the rumors, so when it all came out I was not surprised.

    I bolded the part where Alice claims to know the person who called Oprah. 

    I agree Deana and Amy had to know something, they must have at least heard the rumors. I can believe that they didn't know the specifics of the "touching" because that didn't really come out until the police report. Either they got their information from JB who we know downplayed it, or they were willingly ignorant, but they had to know something was going on. 

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    “The Alice letters Here's the full text:

    Alice Says: May 22nd, 2007 at 7:03 pm

    To Ruth, Let me tell you something about the precious Duggars that you don’t know. First, Michelle hasn’t bathed her younger children in years. It is all left up to the older children. They have children that have never seen the inside of a grocery store. Everything that you have seen on TV is staged. Big Time. Michelle hasn’t cooked a meal in years. Hasn’t cleaned house in years. All she does is try to look norman for the TV camera’s. Get real. This couple is out for the fame and money that they can get. They receive “Love Offering” from all over the country. They have church services in their home when it is to their advantage. They get paid for that. He and his mother “Mary” has this all figured out. She is fame hungry and she couldn’t manage this for herself and now she is helping out Jim Bob and Michelle. She calls different TV shows and exploits her grandchildren. This is the Duggar’s way of making a living and providing for the huge family. Fame and Fortune In January, the whole family went to Chicago and taped Oprah Winfrey show. Oprah wined and dined them for one week. You know that had to cost some pretty pennies. As you may have noticed, that show never aired and it never will. Oprah was informed that Josh, the oldest son, had been molesting his sisters. Yes, this is the truth. Oprah turned them over to the Arkansas State Police Child Protection Agency and the Washington County Child Protection Agency. They have been investigated to some length. Jim Bob Duggar told the producers of the show that he built a small church out back for his followers. HIS FOLLOWERS. GET REAL. THE MAN IS A FRAUD. In April, they were in court with their story. They have to report to Arkansas Department of Human Services every six months.. They have lied and lied about their son to protect him at their daughters expense. For some unknown reason the boy is still in the home with the girls. God only know if this is still going on. In my eyes he is a CHILD MOLESTOR. HE SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE HOME. What kind of parents cover up for one child and hurt the others. I do not believe that this is what God has in mind for them. Frauding the American people and taking their money and living off of it. They did not build their home by themselves. They hired it done. The Discovery Health Channel and the TLC channel wrote them a check for over $200,000. for the to build the house. Everything inside the house was given to them except the kitchen. They did buy that themselves. The rest is all free. Mary and Josh was on the phone day and night asking for donations from soup to Computers. They also received a Baby Grand Piano from Campbell Soup Co. The trip to California was also provided by the TV Stations. It was mapped out. Mile for Mile. They did not spend a penny of their money. All the groceries and gas and lodging and clothing was paid for in advance. For someone who wants to be famous, why lie about the facts. Seems funny to me. They are professional liers, both of them.. They twist their words to make them look good and and look like devoted parents and a great big happy family. Nothing could be further from the truth. If you don’t believe me, contact the Arkansas State Police Child Protection Agency in Bentonville, Ar. and the Washington County Child Protection Agency in Fayetteville. It will be worth the time and effort to read all about it. There is a lot more that I could go into but I simply do not have that much time. I think that is time the the Duggar’s are stopped. They are pimping out their family for material things to keep them fed and clothed. If they cannot feed and clothe their children, don’t have them.

    Alice Says: May 24th, 2007 at 3:05 pm

    People, trust me or not. I know this for a fact. God’s honest truth that the molestation happened. It happened to four of his 5 sisters. The oldest daughter was not touched. The second daughter is the one who caught him doing this. There was no rape involved, but molested. I could go into detail, but I won’t. Of course, you can find nothing about the charges. The Duggar’s want to keep this hid. Wouldn’t you? They wouldn’t have the things that they do if it had gotten out earlier. That’s the way that they make their living and travel at the expenses of others. Jim Bob and Michelle are very aware of this happening and have chosen to protect Josh over his sisters. The family is to report to DHS every six months and that the girls are in counciling. This is what the courts ordered. Jim Bob and Michelle both tried to lie their way out of this, but it didn’t happen. Just ask them, but they will just lie about it. They call their son “Precious Josh” and in their eyes he can do nothing wrong. What about the girls? I think that everyone should know about this problem and that the Duggars are frauds. They make the Talk Shows under the impression that they are pure and they receive “Love Offerings” from the viewers. He has got it figured out. How to be famous and make a living for his brood and not have to work to get it.

    Alice Says: May 25th, 2007 at 4:05 pm

    Well Robert, like you I was always very supportive of the Duggars. I’ve been in their home. I’ve even gone to church with them. Something just didn’t feel right. For some reason I didn’t trust Jim Bob. Then the truth came out about his son. He is the one that told what happened. Josh got up in front of the church and ask for forgiveness and all that stuff, but he was secretly still up to no good. I really don’t know how long it had been going on before it came out, but even after it did Josh pretented to be this sweet all American boy who loved his family. All the time he was going on Prono sites on the internet and watching all the filth that it has. The temptation was too much and he explored with his sisters. I know the person that contacted Oprah and told her that the family is not as pure as they seem. They were taking Oprah, the Discovery Health Channel, TLC Channel and everyone else that they have appeared on for a big ride. They receive money for each show, and if not money they get something out of it. Jim Bob has made the statement that is the way that he has to provide for his family. Don’t you think that is being a fraud? If not, please explain what is the difference. They know that when they go on the shows that they lie and the more the exposure they have the more money that comes in to him. It was Oprah’s decision the turn them over the the authorties. Oprah is not the only one that has turned them in for child abuse. Of course you can’t find any records on this. It is all sealed behind closed doors. The truth needs to be told and I have made it my mission to stop this from happening. They are frauds and living off of the good graces of other people. I’ve watch them on the Montel Williams show and I wanted to throw up. It made me sick inside to know what I know and to watch them get in front of a TV camera and lie.

    Alice Says: May 26th, 2007 at 3:12 pm

    The Duggars do annoy me more than other quiver full families. Probably because they are pimping their lifestyle on TV for money and publicity. It bugs me. I admit it fully. Especially when you throw in their tax-exempt status. (I really do need to start worshiping Mighty Mouse and form my own home-based church so I too, can enjoy this little benefit) It just sickens me. They pimp themselves to a world that they don’t even approve of. How much more hypocritical can someone get?

    I don’t have a problem with the stereotypical gender roles that they adhere to. I don’t even have a problem with the Little House on the Prairie wardrobe. I have a problem with a group of hypocrites who are pimping themselves on national TV…not only for the money because it is individual people’s choice to watch the show or not, and if people don’t want to watch, then they wouldn’t be on, but also the whole political aspirations of Jim Bob being furthered by this. So, it’s okay to appeal to the outside world of which they don’t approve, as long as it furthers their crazy aspirations? Either stick to the lifestyle and live it, or admit that they are a bunch of hypocrites. Other quiver full families don’t attempt to mainstream themselves. They know it’s their personal choice, don’t seek public approval, and just continue on.

    And I really have a problem with children raising children and taking care of the household, while mom sits on her tush cranking out the next one. I get no impression that Michelle is a hands on mother after those children hit 3mos. old. Once they hit that age she hands them off and starts working on the next one. It’s sick. The human body wasn’t made to handle it either. She’ll be dead by the time she’s 50, and her uterus will be gone long before then. It isn’t healthy, nor something to aspire to.”

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    Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

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    1 hour ago, Zella said:

    I thought so too but then I couldn't remember the post. LOL I feel like some of the recent legal paperwork about the girls' failed lawsuit outed some names concerning at the very least who made some calls. 

    Yes, you are correct. It was in Kayleigh Holt Tull's deposition in the Duggar sister lawsuit (link below). Kayleigh wrote a letter that she put into a book, then loaned the book to a friend. She named the friend who she loaned the book to, and the person who called the hotline. Not sure if either of those people, or Kayleigh herself, was Alice though, but it could have been. "Alice" said in her letters that she knew the person who contacted Oprah. 

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.arwd.51417/gov.uscourts.arwd.51417.139.13_1.pdf

    The stuff about the Oprah show and the letter in the book starts on page 36 and goes to page 40.

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    Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

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    Also from The Sun:

    Judge recommends sex offender treatment

    The judge will recommend sex offender treatment for Josh Duggar, but Josh doesn't have to do it.

    Judge Brooks wants Josh to go to the prison in Seagoville because it has a good sex offender program, but that determination depends on bed space.

    No reaction from Anna Duggar

    Josh Duggar's wife, Anna Duggar, had no reaction when the sentence was determined, The Sun's court reporter noted.

    His father, Jim Bob Duggar, also did not visibly react.

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    Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

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    From The Sun

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    Two prison options

    Josh Duggar will either go to Seagoville, Texas to serve his sentence, or to a prison in Texarkana, Arkansas, according to The Sun's court reporter at the sentencing.

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    No reaction from Josh Duggar

    Josh Duggar had "no reaction" when the sentence was handed down, according to The Sun reporter at the hearing on Wednesday.

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    Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

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    2 minutes ago, Zella said:

    I think they're on a break.

    The Sun just posted this:

    Josh Duggar's appearance in court

    Josh Duggar walked into the courtroom wearing a gray suit, according to the Sun's court reporter at the trial this morning.

    She noted that the former reality star has a beard and appeared to have lost more of his hair.

    He smiled at his wife, Anna Duggar, and sat down to talk to his lawyers.

    He also turned around to say hello to everyone.

    Anna was seen making a hand gesture towards him.

    "Anna was seen making a hand gesture towards him."

    I'm sure she was just waving, but I just want to imagine her giving him the finger!

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    Better Call Saul In The Media

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    3 hours ago, SoMuchTV said:

    Okay, regarding Giancarlo Esposito. On the Insider podcast, where he’s presumably present, his last name is pronounced es-POS-ito. On Talking Saul, they’re pronouncing it es-po-SEET-o. Do we have a definitive answer on that?

    I wondered that myself. I found a tweet from Giancarlo where he pronounces it es-POS-ito, so I guess that's it. I've been wrong all these years!

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    Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

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    1 hour ago, DXD526 said:

    For me, it's all about the schadenfreude. This gross family spent years telling lies about all the people they didn't like, without ever bothering to get to know anyone outside their gross little bubble. It's nice to see it all coming together to backfire on them. It's really interesting how Screech making those disgusting robocalls a few years back can be traced to present-day troubles. All the dominoes started to fall. If she had just kept her ignorant maw shut, this whole thing may have been avoided.

    I hope he gets 20.

    To be fair the robo calls are not linked at all to his present day troubles, only the FOIA request and release of the police report. They weren't looking for Josh, just anyone who happened to be downloading CSAM and happened to catch him. 

    The only thing connected is that the prior molestation information could affect his sentencing. 

    You could argue that the interest in the current case is releated to the prior scandals.  Even if we had no knowledge of the molestations, I still think it would have been a big deal to have the son of this 'famous for being the best Christian family' to be caught using Ashley Madison and downloading CSAM. The Duggars were already thought of as hypocrites by many even before we knew of the molestations, but it's a bigger deal because of knowledge of his prior acts. 

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    Carlin and Evan: But Mostly Carlin!

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    It seems like IG posts are new/real time and youtube is a weekly summary of whatever happened in the prior week or so, up to when they post it. 

    Jill R does that too. Once a month or so she'll create a youtube video of all her facebook and instagram posts since the last time she did a youtube video smooshed together.

     

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