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My editing guess:
Jeremy wins. Game play totally aside they have hyped his love of Val and his kids so very much. And how much the money would mean for his family's future. Yeah it has happened before a player mentions how much the money will mean and the player hasn't won but this time they have given that edit on multiply episodes. The family reunion one was the icing on the cake. Long, lingering shots of Jeremy in tears. The whisper about the baby being the boy and his face ligting up. He is edited to be the really great, feel good winner to me.
I mean I'm sure other players have mentioned how much the money would mean to them. Keith is a fireman too. But no edit about how the money would change his life.
Spencer has more the robot to becoming human to being in love with a girl growth arc edit. Kelly is the outsider who fought hard and went further than people expected. I don't think any of the remaining players could win though Tasha is getting a good edit from what people say. But not good enough to be the winner. Plus I don't think any of these three could get enough votes to out score Jeremy on the jury.
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Sign That Justin Might Not Be An End-All/Be-All Fan: I don't remember him reacting to Phil telling him that he and Diana were "the third team to arrive" before the penalty was assessed. Usually, if Phil moves beyond numbers, you fucked up somewhere in the leg.
Or he is about to announce that it is a To Be Continued leg like they did the last two times with a final four instead of a final three.
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Whew! So very glad Green Team gets to race to the end. Yeah I figured they would since the previews seemed to show they wouldn't. But still that was an intense finish to the leg to watch. Anyway I'm glad that Green Team will get to circumnavigate the globe. They deserve it. Their one mistake, after reading the clues so well all race, was not reading the clue regards the ferryboat. The taxi thing was on the cabbie.
And I have to respectfully disagree with the poster that said they should have asked a local first before getting in the cab. They did ask a local. A local cabbie.
I've watched every season of the Race and though sometimes they might ask someone on the street it often times is after their cab has gotten lost. Yes occasionally they will ask first but doesn't happen the majority of times. Remember they just can't ask for directions in a few seconds and run so asking more than one person can be time consuming.
Remember, they have to get the person asked to sign a waiver form granting permission for that person's image to appear on American broadcast TV. This often times involves language problems as well as the time to explain what the heck the form is and why the local has to sign it.
And if the local is suspicious in signing a form written in a language they can't read then they have to ask someone else instead and just wasted a bunch more time too. It is a complicated process that consumes time where not consuming time is what is needed. Especially since Green team wasn't with teh otehr three teams so didn't know where their place in the Race was at that point.
So if you have to choose between a random person on the street and a local cab driver who should know the area well, cabbies are often chosen. And sometimes with the disasterous results we see here or in other Races. I assume the Cheerleaders didn't ask anyone before getting a cab and had the same problem with their first cabbie on the way to the pitstop too.
I would have wished the Paps had been eliminated. But the Cheerleaders, though they had some good legs recently, have been a pretty weak team on the whole surviving through "the kindness of strangers" (Texans) and u-turns of others and other team's mistakes for the majority of the race. So I think 4th is more than even they expected. But kudos to them at the end. The one for not givng up and the other for giving one of the few really supportive pep talks I've seen on TAR ever.
Welp! I think the Green Team can be a little much - but I think they deserve to be in the Final 3 so I'm happy. I'd have preferred the Cheerleaders over the Paparazzi to make it to the final however.
I've found Justin exhausting but his enthusiasm for the race has made me root for his team. My money is on the reporters to win the big prize but I'm hoping that the team that has run such a dominant race pulls through. I'm going to show myself out :)Why do you want to show yourself out? Never apologize for rooting for who you root for. I'm Green Team all the way even when the editing has told me early on they can't win. Anyway TAR's editors pretty much say your money golden. I have never ever seen such hamfisted, over-the-top editing regards the Reporters vs the Green Team.
Oh the hyperbole. Green Team, can anyone ever possibly defeat them in the end????? Reporters, always coming in a few minutes behind in second. Can they ever win a leg of the Race???? Come on! Anvils hitting our heads. Hey editors, I'd love if you faked me out and Green Team actually wins. But everything is saying the Reporters win. And if so then you have never given away the winners' editing-wise as much as you have this season. Back to Editing 101 for you asap!
If the edit is set up so that Live Local Action Eyewitness News finally goes from second to first for the big final bath mat -- and dear me, it's been foreshadowed that way -- then I'll be basically okay with it, because they've been a competent and un-annoying team, though, as so often is the case with Live Local Action Eyewitness News, they have not a person's worth of personality between the two of them. Chris and Logan can GTFO, because they are (based on their showing on TAR) terrible people and weak racers.
I agree about the editing totally.
And the lack of any real personality amonst local TV reporters. Ever. Interchanable parts. I think they all attend "The Local Reporters Training School to Develop Bland, Plastic Personalities". Nothing against them. Just nothing for them. That's why I call them Ken & Barbie a lot. The looks and personalities of their profession match up well with those dolls. Guess there aren't any budding young Edward R Murrows in the making left in this country.
Still editing says they win and editing says Green Team loses so though I wish it was the other way around it is still better than the Paps winning. And as long as Green Team gets to step on the final mat even for the silver or bronze, I can live with that.
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I don't have a problem with Joe's "strong should make it to the end." It's not Outwit, Outplay, AND Outlast. It's Outwit, Outplay, Outlast. You can win by doing any one of the three.
It's not Outwit OR Outlast OR Outplay either. You better be able to do all three if you want to win and Joe was nowhere close to that.
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... Kelley too...but then she lost me with the whole "he will pass out to win" - I understand that it was probably just a faux pas and she probably didn't mean it the way it sounded, but it definitely rubbed me the wrong way.
Kelly was giving Joe props big time. Like what you say about a star athelete in sports who digs real deep. She was praising the guy to the hilt and I didn't find her phrasing awkward at all.
Irony, thy name is Kimmi. Meanwhile Monica bangs her head against the wall somewhere.
Abi is making a great villain. Andrew was an over the top villain too and Survivor loves them for it.
Funniest argument ever was Joe trying to convince people at TC they should vote out Abi because she was the prefect goat whereas if they took him he could win it all. Yeah he didn't say the second half but everyone else was thinking it. Pssst, Joe, they are playing for themselves, not you.
Wonder how Tasha will like Keith voting for her when she finds out. Keith may have had a promise with Joe not to write his name down or may just have been out of the loop. Who knows with Keith. But hey we found out tonight he is Joe College so maybe he was being clever in a way that is above my head. (Props though for winning the immunity challenge).
I should add that it was wise for Keith not to join Joe in voting for Abi. Cause we all know there will be hell to pay if you cast a vote for her.
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That's true. Probst specifcally said (during Kelly's first idol) that the other team participating in the challenge did not have an idol planted in the raft because no one among that tribe was able to find a clue. So it's either Kelley gets it, or no one else gets it. And since this is the first season of them doing that, no one would think of looking for idols right in the middle of challenges. It would be interesting to see how future players (starting S33) approach this new info.
I wonder if there were idol clues for every challenge this season. Jeremy mentioned being more attentive during challenges after he found his idol to see if anyone else was doing the same.
Exactly. Jeremy saying he kept an eye out during other challenges he didn't have a clue for confirms that if you find it, clue or not, it is yours.
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I still think Kelly's second idol is just your usual old school idol. The clue was in the reward challenge pot that someone was guaranteed to find so that means the idol was being hidden in camp during that challenge. Because it was guaranteed someone would come across it, it isn't an individual Kelly-only idol if she can find it. It's jus tyour typical helping clue we have seen for seasons on the show. Anyone seaching around and checking out the structure itself, and they have hidden idols ther in the past, could have grabed.
I'm still not sure that the other earlier idols were only for the clue finder either. The wording seemed up to interpretation and didn't say straight out one way or the other. More that the finding of the clue activated the placing of the idol. And since this had never been done before (hiding an idol in a challenge) it almost guaranteed the clue finder was the only person that would "find" it.
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They do have to worry about lawsuits. Businesses can have you sign all the waivers they want but you can't waive your right to sue for negligence.
The waivers they sign to get on the show are pretty much 100% ironclad to prevent that ever happening. Past Survivors and Amazing Racers have said it even covers accidental deaths. So no way they can sue. They volunteered, weren't drafted. They were the ones that wanted on the show so much that they chose to sign away their normal legal rights in a totally binding contract. (CBS' team of lawyers are good at what they do).
Also add in that no one is chaining them to a platform or whatever. No one is forcing them to stay in a challenge. They can drop out of a challenge at any time they want. And many do just that in individual challenges.
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I actually enjoyed those challenges. The one In MIcronesia where Parvati held her arm over her head for 6 hours and I believe 47 minutes was one of my all time favorites. The other players who were eliminated taking a nap. Amanda running off on the woods to go to the bathroom. Everyone convincing Jason that he should just give up and that they wuldn't vote him out. If I recall this was the episode that Ozzy was blindsided instead. Good stuff.
I have heard that Jeff doesn't like these marathon challenges any more and that is why we no longer have them.
Probst is a real wuss. He's not doing them. Getting too old to sit around snacking for a few hours? What a quitter. I'd like to snuff his torch for that.
And put me down for loving the old school hour after hour ones. People had to dig deep. Really want it. More heart than mere balance or whatever. They were the best.
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Suppose Abi had gone under the new shelter and found the idol. Could she keep it? I'm guessing from what Probst said earlier about Jeremy's second idol, the answer is no: these idols are only for the person who finds the clue. AFAIK, this is the first season Survivor has ever done that.
I think you are mixing that up with the fact the idol wouldn't appear in a challenge until the idol clue was found. That activated the placing of same. And since it was a big deal to try and grab them with stealth I assume if someone else also spotted the idol and beat Jeremy to it it would have been theirs.
And the one Kelly got was in camp so definitely open to anyone who found it. No different than any other idol in the past where people could find idol clues but everyone could look for the idol without one and claim it if they came across it. Even at times following someone who they thought had a clue and hoping to outrace them to the idol when the clue holder lead them near it.
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Kind of a copout based just on the gimmick: the route was easily the most expansive since S22 (and with more long-haul flights to boot) and the tasks progressed subtly from the easiest leg of all time (Nagano with a choice of "Noodles" for the Detour) to a grueling endgame in South America.
In addition, it's the easiest season from which to distance oneself emotionally given the wholly non-family, often pseudo-couple cast (save a certain online fanbase that inexplicably got itself invested in the 3rd placers while simultaneously demonizing the winners beyond all proportion): that kind of light-heartedness is infinitely preferrable to actual toxic ordeals such as S4, S9, S16, and especially S20.
This was about the "luuuuv connection" season? Is that what Season 26 was? If so why on earth would it be a cop out to choose it as the worst season ever. Especially when it WAS the worst season ever. Not by inches. Not by kilometers. Not by miles. But by light years. It is in a black hole all by itself.
I didn't like the format/destinations of the Family Edition but at least there were two interesting teams on that Race I loved to watch. The positive - Mama Paulo and company. The negative - the Florida trailer trash dressed family. I got my favs and my villains and enjoyed watching both teams in different ways. Especially since Mama Paulo would make my all-time top 20 favorite Racers list.
So a few Racers can prevent all the other factors sinking a season into a black hole totally. But horrible teams (I can't even remember any of them except there was a nurse/doctor team that was talked about and psycho-analysed endlessly) that leave no impression on me but "endlessly annoying and all the same" but to hope they depart my screen before they enterd it coupled with the worst "theme" anybody could possible conceive of sunk "the luuuuuuv connection" not just 99% but totally 100%. (You know I can't even remember who won "the luuuuv connection" season and if I learned their names again it probably wouldn't help me place them either).
Ducky, glad you can enjoy those early seasons when it was more AMAZING and less atificial u-turns full. Hope you enjoy them.
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THIS captured my feelings about Justin pretty well:
He's not running the race he's performing it!
And why haven't there been any navigation or driving tests? Hmm, is it because say a person from New York who might not even own a car doesn't have driving skills? Who knows, it might cause that said team problems. And oppositely that same team would be much more comfortable and well aquainted with the little tricks of catching public transportation and schedules (taxis, buses, trains, etc.) And there seems to be a lack of situations where there might be an opportunity to shake up the running order? With all the double legs (to be continued) And the timing of the U turns being suspicious (again, no opportunity to pass) it seems like "THE FIX IS IN" and The Amazing Race from the beginning was setting us up for the Great American love story - 'the just look at how much joy he's having" - the lovable SuperFan and his wife being the champs this year.
Yeah, kinda biased.
Really? They "fixed" the show for the two NY cheerleaders?
Yeah I know you meant Justin but as a superfan of the show he would have practiced stick shifting day and night before the show. And it isn't like anyone living in NY can't drive anyway.
Personally I think any "real" person (not a trained "mactor" type or say the Reporters this season) would tend to play to the camera because they aren't used to a camera in their face and feel a need to do something, anything, when the light goes on. Being "natural" with a national TV show's camera in your face is not a "natural" thing. People not used to it will react in all types of ways across the spectrum to getting tongue-tied (a problem Justin doesn't seem to have, hah) to mugging, lecturing (to seem smart), trying to seem cool or hip or in with pop culture, to attempts to be funny, whatever.
I remember Brennen from Season 1 saying he tried so hard to come up with a clever line to get TV face time when they went to the place in Tunisia where the exterior shots of the cantina scene from original Star Wars was shot. He failed, they went with a Kevin & Drew comment which wasn't clever but just mentioned that that was where Star Wars had filmed, ha. But I assume many "real" people since Season 1 have tried to get some camera time as well as the "mactors" who are usually there on the Race for just that reason.
I don't care if people are loud or shy or whatever. As long as they appreciate the Race and the cultures they visit and aren' t mean to everyone and are good Racers then I'm fine with them.
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Just guessing but I would not be surprised if TAR paid for the weddings, for couples that could not afford big fancy weddings, I think that is what they do when people get married on TV in the US (thinking of the Today show weddings).
Liked you're longer post above but this part I think is inaccurate. There were no real weddings. Just locals cast in the roles. Likely wannabee actors. Local bands hired etc. Starting with the Vienna FF with all the walzing pairs at the palace in TAR4, TAR on occasion hires out tons of people for a big spectacle task.
Now does a real Indian wedding procession look like that. Darn straight it does. And they seem to happen all the time at any time of day, night, late night, whenever in bigger cities. And the brass bands are always loud and ... ah ... well ... ah ... loud. But these were not real ones.
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I saw the preview the same way. Justin thinks he is out finishing fourth and gets a reprieve because it is another final four. Though again the editing suggests the Reporters, always wanting to win just one leg, will win the last one and the season. Of course the previews show the Reporters on the far left and the Green Team on the far right at the mat so maybe implying they (Reporters) win this upcoming leg next week too.
I just don't get Phil's line about "Guess you didn't see that coming." Because a final four is now the new norm. So that does give me pause. But then Phil has to work with the editors to do something to make it interesting I guess.
PS: Hey I just thought of a great reason for Justin not to finish first next week. He decided to stop and go shopping at a mall in Hong Kong hoping to spot Oswald & Danny there.
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They were bunched when they landed in New Delhi. Team Green were not first to the laundry task last week but they managed to pass everyone by the end of the leg. That's good racing.
True that. And there were other times the teams all landed together and Green Team won after the international flight bunch. They are just an awesome team that first and foremost READS the clue then can usually figure out the best detour option for them so they don't have to abort and try another.
I would have loved to see how they would have done driving themselves cause you just know Justin practiced stick shifting in his sleep.
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For me, worst seasons ever?
TAR 11-There were actually a lot of teams I loved on this race. Dustin & Kandace, Oswald & Danny? But the win by the hybrid team? Of people I disliked? Ugh.
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At least 11 had some great teams, even though I hated the winners)
The secret to enjoying TAR 11 is never ever re-play the final leg.
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I don't think that would help them at all. I can't remember the team or the season (hopefully someone else will) but one team was basically kidnapped by their taxi driver & taken to the wrong village to be held for money, & the only thing the camera guy did was film it.
That was Morocco, not India. Season 3, fireman and cop team. And the camera crew intervened. The sound guy, who carries a cell phone, called in the private British security team that always trails racers each season and the situation was dealt with.
It's funny seeing posts complaining about the lack of bunching in this Race when usually posters complain endlessly about artificial bunching points destroying the leads of good racers. But really there have been a decent number of times of operation and everyone on the same flight happening in this season. And the U-Turn should have caused a bunch this leg ... and did. James Earl's inability to get his baloon net untangled seems to be the main reason that team went out since otherwise it looks like they might have nosed out the paps.
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TAR must get some wonderful incentives for going to India- I feel anxious and disgusted watching it from the security of my couch- I can't even imagine being there.
India is my favorite place to visit on earth. A few cruddy guys treating the cheerleaders badly could just as well happen in America. And does every day of the week here. People are people everywhere. And some (not all) male teenagers are, alas, male teenagers everywhere too. There are few places young women can walk in large cities in America without this kind of treatment as well especially at night.
India has always shown me the most gracious, most giving and most polite and helpful people on the planet. We could learn a lot from their kind and generous character.
Wow. So few comments. Do we have the Thanksgiving weekend to thank for that? Or has Justin ruined the season that much?
The former. I'm loving Justin & Diana and happily tune in to root through time and space for the Green Team and all the great locations they have gone to this season. A really awesome route.
Yes the editing says they won't win. The editing has been setting that up all season and each leg they survive I'm happy before the inevitable happens. Just like the editing has set us up for the reporters to win with the oh so close, just missed, just one leg, only behind by minutes endless edit. The editors are doing a bad job this year dropping anvils big big time about the fates of the Green Team and Reporters.
Ironic though that one of the two teams Justin said were their friends and they wanted to protect with the U-Turn (along with the reporters) were the cheerleaders who had U-Turned them and then lied well enough to make them think they didn't.
I will give the cheerleaders this though. They seemed really sad to see Denise & James Earl eliminated while the Paps just stood around looking annoyed that they had to hang around listening to the mother/son exit interview with Phil. Well the woman at least tried to look somewhat interested but the man looked like he just wanted to strangle someone at that point. Probably the woman he was with. I think Justin got it right. None of the other teams like the Paps.
I agree with TheRabbi and others above about no driving this season. That is the one fly in the oinment of this season for me too. Of course I hated Ford in show placement ads too. I wish they would go back to local stuff like the rickety pickups in Mexico and especially the old eastern block cars that broke down all the time in Hungary. And, the best ever, filling up diesel vechicles with unleaded gas in Spain. Good times.
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They could have done without the cookies, but other than that it appears clear to me that it is far from a cushy suburban life they are living. Just going without a mattress and pillow would be agony for me. I wish I could wave a magic wand and instantly transport everyone who snarks about this to a situation where they would have to live in contemporary Survivor style for 39 days. IOW talk is cheap.
I don't know what snarking has to do with what I said. I don't even really know the definition of snark.
I said I wanted Survivor to return to it's roots and quit making it too cushy. I also said I was fine with them getting better shelter if they themselves put in the sweat to get it done. And I stand by no freaking cookies for them. Or all the endless feasts they "win" while sitting around some spa. Let them play for the basics. Extra rice and beans and go catch some fish already.
Also it did not rain for 39 straight days in a row. There has been plenty of beautiful weather this season. It rained for several days only and the problem got corrected pretty quickly. I remember some past Survivor seasons where they had to put up with longer rain spells and more misery than this group and they never did get the relief this group got. Don't sign-up to play Survivor if you aren't prepared to survive some. (And yes btw I have lived in worse conditions than this for longer periods).
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It seemed like one of the main improvements on the shelter was creating a roof that extended beyond the platform -- so that they could keep a fire going, keep wood dry, and even sit or stand near the edge of the platform without being in the rain. From camping, I know how useful this type of protected "foyer" is for keeping the elements out of the tent.
I totally agree with this. Not only can the players stay both warm and dry but they can dry out their clothes as well. It was the inability to keep their fire going that was causing 99.9% of their misery before the firepit porch roof extension was added.
I just wish this was old school and they had to build an extension themselves. I get that they probably aren't allowed to cut down tall post size bamboo from the area but at least the rock thing should have been for bamboo posts and cross beams and a few tools and they still had to do the work. And no freaking cookies thrown in. I hate the stupid Big Brother surburban lifestyle of latter Survivor seasons.
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This is important for those who think Fishbach voted himself out by splitting his votes with the advantage. The important part is that he was going home thanks to the decision to split the votes to guard against Joe's possible immunity, which absolutely would have worked had Spencer and Keith not flipped.
I think Spencer and Keith are the idiots here for not sending Joe home when they could. My guess is they both think they can beat Joe in an upcoming immunity challenge, Spencer because he has once and Keith because he almost did. However, they know for a fact that they can beat Fishback in challenges, so they should have taken out Joe now and gone after Fishback next.
My fan problem is that I like both Spencer and Fishback and I've been grumpy all season that those two couldn't trust each other and become the brilliant alliance mates they should have been.
I don't think Spencer over worries about whether Joe wins through to the finals or not as long as he is there too. I think strategy will almost always trump a "natural" (gifted atheletic body someone was born with) with the jury unless some members get petty about personal revenge.
Now I'm sure Spencer would rather go to the final three or two or whatever it is with the likes of Abi and Keith say or even Kimmi as a stray from the other alliance to pull along. But Joe is not as dangerous as Stephen at this particular point in the game with Stephen's endless plotting and his "advantage" and the core alliance that was suddenly exposed for all to see.
If he went after Joe instead of Stephen then there would be a 4-4 tie between the two groups. (Jeremy/Stephen/Tasha/Kimmi vs Spencer/Kelly/Keith/Abi). Cause no way would Spencer stay as the number 5 person in Jeremy's alliance. That could be game suicide to let that happen. So why throw away a 5-4 advantage. Who knows if you will ever have the numbers on your side again in the game.
Also Spencer probably has the closest relationship with Jeremy of the 5 so he could have a foot in both camps if something weird happens. Especially since he would NOW be worse case number 4 and possible number 3 now with Jeremy's group. Stephen being out benefits him either way he goes.
As far as Keith, he just "wants to compete", hah. But yeah even Keith knew Kimmi was the fourth wheel on the Jeremy/Stephen/Tasha core three.
So if you have five outsiders looking in on a solid four alliance (voting blocs my backside, even Tasha announced it was time for alliances) and one of them has this big, mysterious advantage then you better move in the here and now or decide which clothes you will be wearing to the jury.
Ooo, something I forgot to mention, I loved Stephen's little ploy with Abi at the reward challenge, opening the wrong jar for her. Abi was hilarious slowly strolling in that challenge, too. That was a great challenge all in all. I suppose not, but I wonder if Spencer especially wanted to target Stephen because Stephen twice beat him by milliseconds--in this challenge, and to the buoy with the advantage?
I'd say zero chance of that. Spencer isn't into emotional knee jerk reactions over petty stuff like that. He is into his place in the game and allia...err, voting blocs. When Jeremy gave him a straight out lie after the idol play (and his voiceover told us he knew it was a lie) and then Stephen announced he was rebuilding his alliance (not voting bloc) with Tasha; Spencer saw he wasn't in Jermy's final three and that Stephen, who was, had some powerful advantage in the game.
And the fewer the numbers the more powerful that advantage would undoubtably get. (Spencer didn't know Stephen would play his advantage at that TC beforehand is my guess). So he acted to take out that advantage and the main plotter around camp who was now definitely not alllied with him as soon as possible. It was a totally logical move, not an emotional move I'd say.
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I've spoiled nothing and wasn't directing that comment towards anyone in particular nor trying to shame anyone. I was snarking on the snark, because I find it all very amusing.
So, there is no problem.
I don't care about armchair QBing, that's part of the fun of message boards. I just find it, again, highly amusing to refer to some contestants as morons, dumbasses, etc. because they weren't able to figure out something that we were figuring out from home due to THs and being in the comfort of our couch or bed or bar stool. And some of us also have the advantage of being spoiled.
Okay thanks. I thought there might be some hidden meassge regards spoilers so glad there wasn't. Sorry I didn't understand you were joking too. Me bad. Also, me sleepy.
And I agree that we see way more than the Survivors or Amazing Racers or whoever see with editors directing us along their storyline of choice. And that we experience less than they do and don't have fatigue etc to deal with. So I usually cut most Racers especially some slack and some Survivors. But Jeremy's idol play gets no slack from me. That was terrible for him. Not that he can't come up with a new Plan B to make it all the way. But having to do that when he had a clear and seemingly easy path to the finals is like shooting himself in the foot a mile before the end of the marathon.
And of course Stephen's lack of any real strategic view and his obession with getting Joe out over anything else was just poor play period. He was as focused on Joe as Abi was focused earlier on Woo. Stephen and Abi as equally poor strategists, hah, I like that.
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DVR cut off the ending vote tally. If Stephen had put both votes for Abi would she have gone to jury? Great season by the way.
No there would have been a two way tie I think between Abi and Stephen at 4 each.
Abi and Stephen then could not vote in the re-vote and no idols can be used in a re-vote I believe so Stephen still should have gone with the votes being:
For Abi - Jeremy, Tasha, Kimmi
For Stephen - Spencer, Kelly, Keith, Joe
If Stephen's side had NOT split the vote and Stephen cancelled out Joe then cast two votes for their ONE target only (be it Joe or Abi) then Stephen would have survived. Otherwise not. So Stephen's advange could have worked.
With a For Abi (or Joe ... one only of course) - Jeremy, Tasha, Kimmi, Stephen, Stephen (with Joe's vote) = 5 votes. And For Stephen - Spencer, Kelly, Abi, Keith (with no vote allowed for Joe) = 4 votes. Stephen then becomes the great kingpin using the new advantage sucessfully and creating an epic, history making moment in Survivor for the ages, at least in his own mind. We also would never have heard the end of his chirping about it on TV and, for those who listen to him on that podcast, on that too. Thank goodness he messed it up big time.
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Silly! Don't you know that the majority of posters here are smarter than the actual players and would play the game way better than Fish, Jeremy, Joe, and all the other morons? Because it's just as challenging to figure out everyone's game and strategy with your ass on a couch and being able to watch everyone's THs as it is being an actual contestant. And it's especially challenging when you know the spoilers and future outcomes!
Loved the eps though! The game can truly be anyone's at this point. Except perhaps Abi, who will never not be awful to me. I cannot see her winning the votes. Which, makes her a great goat. I would say she might be playing for 2nd place, but I think she just may be that awful. At least under Survivor conditions.
I'm not spoiled and I hope you weren't implying anything in your post about how the game will come out now. Please don't. And this is a forum for armchair QBs' so what is the problem? (Edited to add: Okay sorry, me bad with this. Leaving it so the posts below make sense to anyone reading all these posts).
Anyway I'll happily armchair QB. I think Stephen's best move would have been to lose a single winner reward challange cause he would know he would traditionally have to pick two others and expose his hand and leave the majority of the players behind plotting and planning in his absence. Granted his body wanted the reward desperately but strategically it was the worst thing for him to win that challenge. And being a so-called strategist he should have known this. But again, his body didn't give a fig for strategy at that point.
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S27.E11: It's Not Easy Beating Green
in The Amazing Race
In TAR3 the young Harvard lawyer ladies took a taxi instead of walking to the pitstop. They were given a time penality that eliminated them.
John Seavey described the difference really well above. If you either miss a cluebox -- (example: TAR5 - both the Twins and Chip & Kim missed the cluebox telling them the detour options and just followed an arrow to one of the detour option tasks instead so they both had to go back and get the clue from the cluebox though they didn't have to re-do the detour task over again of course) -- or skip a task (TAR3 - Wonder Twins in Ho Chi Minh City missing both the cluebox and the task and seeing a ferry decided to cross the river to look for the clue across the river and found the mat instead) you have to go back.
As for people saying that the Green Team should have been penalitized multiple times for one infraction as in tickets plus going to the wrong ferry. First you get a penality for failing to follow a "set" of directions for a task, not each individual one. That's why Phil always says something about not following "the directions" (plural) in these cases. Plus the 25 minutes added on to the half hour "did't follow the directionS" penality? That covered the wrong ferry's time advantage. Perfectly fair penalies in accordance with how the Race has always dealt with these things.