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I really don't care if she slept with all the contestants, Britt, the crew, and some random guys at the Ireland bars.
Why couldn't we have that show? ;)
Judy Obscure, we finally agree on something. :)
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One last thought about the "cyber-bullying". Does reading negative tweets on national TV encourage, or discourage people from posting such comments?
Getting a little off-topic here, but the writer Lindy West, who's been horribly cyberbullied because of her feminist views and weight, has written about that a lot. She's decided to go after the trolls, with mixed results. But she did have one incident where a guy who said horrible things to her apologized once he realized how hurtful it was to her and her family. So maybe if just one person changes it's worth it. I think that's why Kaitlyn and Harrison (as cynical as it may be on Harrison's part) spoke out about it. People do need to know how harmful it is because clearly there's a lot of ignorance surrounding this issue.
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And it's wrong no matter in what context it occurs. I don't think atrocious behaviour should be excused just because it's wide spread. I thought Kaitlyn made a very good point about the worst one of the messages coming from a mother who disapproved of Kaitlyn's actions and then showed herself to be a terrible parent and a much more evil person by spewing garbage at someone she doesn't even know. Perhaps if everybody stood up and spoke up about internet bullying being unacceptable in a supposedly civilized society we'd be better off.
I'm so with you. Why should we just accept that cyberbullying happens? It's something that's lead people to commit suicide, for heaven's sake. I knew that after the show a lot of folks on social media would say that Kaitlyn just needs to get over the cyberbulling, but it still upset me to see so many. Even if you hate the girl, no one deserves that. But I agree that it's hypocritical for the show to not own its part in creating the despised personas.
Ian surprised me - of all things I expected from him, a big, ass-kissy apology to the Bachelor Gods was not one of them. I don't know how sincere it was (probably not much), but it was the right move. Agreed that the Bachelor family will let him attend their boozy hookup events.
I still like Kaitlyn. I think she tried. I like that she owned that she made mistakes, and it was hard. Why not just admit that if it's the truth? I just don't get what sort of standard we're supposed to hold this girl to.
Unfortunately I agree with those who think Kaitlyn inadvertently spoiled her final choice, which kinda sucks. I was looking forward to being unspoiled.
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Say what? She thinks people can't go a few weeks without sex? Throughout her blog she is very judgmental of the fans and scolds us as though we were gossiping about a neighbor and not discussing a person who has volunteered to be filmed for a TV show. Sorry Sharlene, that's sort of what reality TV is all about. We watch it to talk about it. These shows would be soon canceled if we all turned it on only to look politely away when something happened that might be embarrassing for the person on screen. You can talk about editing, cameras, and alcohol all you want but these are not animals in a zoo, they are adult human beings of normal intelligence who should be able to manage a little self-control for a few weeks in front of the cameras.
Oh, I think Sharleen is well aware of this POV. She just wants to add one insider's perspective to the cacophony of fan comments and articles in the media that we see each season. She knows from experience that there's a crazy set of circumstances we never see that lead contestants to act out and do all kinds of crazy shit. There's a reason this formula is used over and over again. Put a bunch of attention-seeking people into a competition, keep them isolated from the outside world, add alcohol, and voila! Magic happens! During production, the contestants ARE animals in a zoo. They are literally mammals in confined spaces. That's why we watch.
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uh oh - here's where my mind goes - Nick, after being fucked over by Andi (was that her name? I can't even remember if I have it right) approached the show to be the next Bachelor. they thought of the "brilliant" idea that all he needs to do is to ONCE AGAIN be the F2.
So the story can be that Nick "fell in love" and had sex with not one but TWO Bachelorettes, was jilted both times, and now needs a chance to "find love". What better way than to be the next B?
I think the issue with this theory is that Nick is really detested by the majority of "Bachelor Nation." The producers would practically have to be magicians to make the public accept him as Bachelor, methinks.
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Because Nick's gross. Period. She also showed poor judgement in my opinion in giving him the one-on-one date, for the same reasons. Granted, perhaps she doesn't find Nick as slimy as I do, but that's why I think her judgment is poor. Even if she hadn't had sex with him, I'd still feel like he's a bad choice to partner with for anything. Even a game of Doubles tennis.
I know I'm in the minority here, but I don't find him gross at all, especially after his supportive comments on Twitter after the episode aired. As for someone's judgment on the show, all this and more is addressed in this wonderful, insightful post by Sharleen Joynt on the episode. Love this woman.
http://www.flare.com/celebrity/sharleen-joynt-on-the-bachelorette-episode-seven/
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I'm not a fan of Nick, but I have to give him credit for this series of tweets last night:
http://www.crushable...e-bachelorette/
Thank you for this, Alison! I also really dig this one:
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I hate the phrase "slut shaming". It's like its not okay to criticize a woman for casually sleeping with someone regardless of the circumstances, even if she actually -is- acting kind of slutty, per Kaitlyn.
Because it's not okay. In my book it's not okay to criticize a woman for whom she choose to sleep with and when she chooses to do it, as long as she's not deceiving someone she's committed herself to exclusively. If Kaitlyn is truly trying to find a husband or parter, I say more power to her. Hell, even if she's not, more power to her. She's not exclusive yet with any of these men.
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I'm not one to say this show has integrity but I will 100% not watch if Ian is the Bachelor, that is gross. A whole season of a humourless ass who slut-shames everyone who doesn't throw themselves at him, yeah, sign me up!
How do people like this even get made? He's like the male version of Amazing Amy from "Gone Girl."
I still like Nick. Sorry everybody. I thought it was funny after Nick and Kaityn passed the pigeons, she said "I actully did really well." And he was like, "That was really well?" I like a little flirtatious teasing to cut through all the fake sentimentality we always see on this show. I also still like Kaityln. She's certainly not the brightest gal ever but she strikes me as sincere, plus I'm partial to people who laugh a lot.
Oh my god the fucking Cranberries. And they're Kaitlyn's favorite band? Oh girl no. I guess they're a pretty big get for this show, though.
ETA: Maybe I've been watching too much UnReal, but during the balcony scene, it seemed to me almost as if Kaitlyn originally felt okay about hooking up with Nick, but the producer kind of talked her into feeling bad.
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I'm prepared to give Asaf a chance, not because of his looks. Personally, I like the more rough and rugged type...the pretty boys, not so much.
Me too, but good god, there's one's usual type, and then there's THAT guy. No one should be allowed to be that pretty. His personality actually annoyed me, but I'll keep an open mind. Israeli men just do tend to have swagger.
Jason telling us that the man must dominate the woman in the relationship was disgusting.That comment really pissed me off. Even if he was just referring to ballroom dancing, it sounded creepy and sexist. We're in a very hot period of gender politics right now culturally. You need to be sensitive, especially on the public stage. I also wondered why the show didn't edit those comments out. Trying to stir up controversy?
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Why should they do anything "gracefully" when it's obvious Kaitlyn only recognizes crude and graceless gestures? Everything about her so far has been loud, abrasive and confrontational.
I don't think that's obvious at all. I find her spunky and fun. Because this:
I'd much prefer someone like Kaitlyn, who's not some blandly beautiful fembot and doesn't mind a crass joke or two. She seems like the kind of girl I'd be friends with in real life as opposed to other cookie-cutter B'ettes like Britt. And so what if she's making out with all the guys? You gotta test drive the car before you commit to buying it, people!
Yes, the Bachelorettes who were considered "good" were basically Disney princess types (the originals, not the sassy newer ones). Both Emily and Des were so boring to me. Different strokes!
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As a Nick fan, I found this episode very satisfying! I love how Josh kept digging himself deeper and depper into a pit while Nick just calmly and intelligently addressed his questions. Josh just felt threatened and was lashing out, and it made him look stupid and insecure. Nick already "had his season"? Whuh? How in any way does that have to do with being interested in the girl on this current season?
I didn't think I could dislike any guy more than Tony this season, but Ian, congrats - you're even worse! What an absolute asshat. Point taken about the show franken-byting his comments, but some of that awful stuff he just flat out said. I mean look, if you're not into the Bachelorette and want to peace out, do it gracefully. Don't go on the attack. I got the feeling after his tirade to Kaitlyn that he has emotionally abusive tendencies. Yuck and good riddance.
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Hi Nick... welcome to the forums
Ha, you just made my day!
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Yay, Nick! I'm a fan - hope he stays until the end. After he was treated so shittily by Andi, I love that he figured out how to work the system and get as much air time as possible with this franchise. Plus he looks like a great kisser with some serious mojo. Sometimes you don't have to be the hottest person in the room to attract attention; you just need to be the one with the most game.
None of the other dudes do a thing for me. I find JJ and Jared particularly homely (although Jared seems like a nice guy). I was kinda down with Shawn until he shared his taste in music. Ugh, just no.
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I'd hate to think that someone who was in Grease has sunk that low.
Well, Jeff Conway was in Grease and he abused his body with drugs and alcohol until he died, so some of them have sunk much, much lower.
I don't have kids but here's what I was thinking about the child actors: I think I'd be okay with that segment if the children had received proper, age-appropriate sex education beforehand, and were basically told that a bunch of dumb guys were going to tell them stupid, probably erroneous stuff about sex, and that they should just do their best to ask questions that would embarrass the guys. I've heard from my parent friends that children are pretty good at self-censoring, so that leads me to believe they'd just mentally reject the sillier stuff that was said if they'd been prepped.
But if that DIDN'T happen, and they were just kind of thrown to the wolves, then I think I'd have to conclude that the segment was pretty ishy and inappropriate.
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I really do not understand why Kaitlyn and her character is being judged and attached to the poor date choices and some of the actions of the guys last night. Did people question Andi's class level when she participated in a group date to find her husband that involved them stripping down? Because I remember watching that episode and thinking, "oh sure, I always run down to the strip clubs to watch a bunch of guys take it off, when looking for my future husband." But I didn't judge Andi and her personality for this...
IMO it's just garden variety sexism and gender stereotyping. Even though lots of folks hated Andi, I don't recall anyone complaining about her "acting like a man" or not being "ladylike." Sigh.
That said, I was a little disappointed in her reaction to the escape room date. I guess it's kinda shitty of me to harsh on someone for a legitimate phobia, but all the screaming was a little much. And I agree with those who wonder why she has bird tattoos if she's so afraid of birds. The hell? I would have enjoyed the escape room date but I like horror.
So glad Tony is gone. What a boring, insufferable, prosaic phony. I can't even with the Clint/JJ stuff. Yawn. They deserve each other. Bring on Nick!
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Whenever this show has accidental moments of "normalcy", I get nervous. If it resembles any fantasy of whatever happens between human anythings that find love, and which I find relatable or familiar, I feel like I'm TRULY in the vortex. No, no, no, I need this shit to stay weird and upsetting and every type of wrong. I can't believe without my head exploding.
A friend of mine has talked about the horror of discovering a smile spreading across her face during some of the sweeter moments. She says once she realizes it she practically wants to slap herself.
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taking advice from Amy Schumer (I'm sure she's not plugging anything)
Ha! I think the world would be a better place if we all took advice from Amy Schumer.
My hope is that if she really IS crying because she slept with one of the men and the others found out about it, that it's because she feels bad for hurting someone's feelings, not because she feels like she shouldn't have sex with whomever she pleases. If one or more of the other guys genuinely felt betrayed and shocked because she had sex with someone else while she was still supposedly deciding which one would be her "husband" and they thought Kaitlyn truly had feelings for them, then that would suck for anyone in that position.I see your point, and I really think it just speaks to the ridiculous premise of this show and how inorganic it is in terms of the "normal" process of meeting and falling in love with someone. Most people I know, when getting involved with someone, will eventually want to have sex, especially if you're looking for a long-term or even lifetime commitment. But this show is really just designed to throw people into these horribly awkward situations (which admittedly they volunteer for) where OF COURSE jealousy and resentment are going to find a very fertile breeding ground (no pun intended). It really is no small wonder that it usually doesn't work out for most contestants.
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My overwhelming thought at the beginning of the episode: Yay, it's Kaitlyn! Fakey Fakerson has left the building!
My overwhelming thought at the end of the episode: Oh great, she's totally going to slut-shame herself.
I know I'm an idiot for hoping that anyone who signs up to participate in this franchise is even remotely progressive or feminist, but I actually like Kaitlyn and don't want to watch her spend half of the season beating herself up over sleeping with a guy. C'mon, Kaityn, own your baddassery and sense of fun (even if it ultimately comes from a place of insecurity). Don't be a boring, predictable milksop like Desiree.
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Man, I really don't like Britt. Everyone's already said it, but she comes off as such a phoney baloney. I guess the compassionate way to look at it is to assume that she's bought into the b.s. idea that you have to fawn all over a guy and pretend to be into whatever he's into in order to get men to like you. Super lame and sad. Team Kaitlyn! I'll take awkward and ambivalent over fakey fakerson any day.
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When I thought back about it, I realized that they've been leading Trixie to this point for quite a while. Since the beginning, she's always been a drinker, & she's always had a bottle in her room. I even noticed this season that she was the one who always had another drink, so I think this has been in the works since the show started.
As a girl who always has another drink, this storyline kinda bummed me out! Ha. In all seriousness, I'm of two minds about it. On the one hand, it seems a little facile to suddenly make the one fun-loving, carefree gal an alcoholic. On the other hand, the carefree attitude is probably a bit of a facade given her difficult past. I am enjoying seeing the darker side of Trixie, though, since Helen George seems more than up to the task of going there. Those last shots of her with no makeup and such a sad face were so powerful. I hardly recognized her as Trixie.
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What is that black tube with the glowing blue light they seem to be inhaling from?
It's a Pax vaporizer.
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There's also a book by a woman named Pat Allen (can't remember the title), and in it there's something she describes as "The Eight Week Wait." After a breakup, a woman should go forward with her own life, and at around the 8 week mark (more or less) the loss will hit a guy like a ton of bricks.
As a general rule I loathe self-help and dating advice books because I think they're mostly money-making ventures that try to put human behavior into neat, unnuanced little boxes, but even I have to admit that in my experience there's some truth to this. It's almost like men have some sixth sense where they can detect the exact minute you're over them. That's when they start calling and wanting to see you again - once you've moved on.
The difference here is that final rose ceremony aside, Chris was essentially the dumpee and Becca was the dumper. He can't have that "aha!" moment over Becca since he was never not into her, but he might have one with Whitney, as in "Aha! I just now realized I made a life committment to my consolation prize!"
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S02.E06: Episode 6
in Bachelor In Paradise
· Edited by violetr
Hahaha! This cracked me up. You’re all, “I know hillbillies, and you, sir, are NOT a hillbilly!”
Just when I almost like JJ he reminds me he’s not anywhere near as smart as he thinks he is. Yes, you’re smarter than Megan, but so are Ashley’s animal friends. And you meant “recuse” not “recluse” when you said Joe should “recluse himself” from the show.
I kinda love you now, Ashley S. I’m obsessed with animals, too. Just please stop using “literally” wrong constantly. It’s figuratively making me sick.
Re the dead horse that is Joe and Samantha:
I hated that so much. It was like, “ I’ve had a boyfriend for five minutes so now I can’t even hear out my supposed good friend because I LOOOVE him.” Way to abandon loyalty for some douchebag you just met.
The whole Joe/Samantha thing is weird. It’s like he’s so obsessed with her it’s making him, allegedly, act like a different person, but it’s kind of working out for him because she’s into him too. Folie a deux I guess.
I think Juelia and Ashley S. should run away together. Their friendship seems sweet.