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2 hours ago, rmontro said:
He's not K'uk'ulkan, and he's king of Atlantis, not Talokan.
What's so different about Atlantis versus Talokan? One is borrowed from Greek mythology and the other from Aztec mythology.
2 hours ago, rmontro said:Why would you want to change something that worked so well in the comics for over 80 years?
Just because something works well doesn't mean you cannot or should not change it. And the length of time of something is even less of a reason not to change it.
I think the film's story makes it clear why the director chose to make the changes that he did.
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29 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:
Not all Latinas are brunette. Some are even blonde.
Perhaps, but the point is that Supergirl's blonde hair is the result of her being white in the comic books. If you make her non-white elsewhere, then it's logical enough that her hair color should change as well.
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Supergirl is Latina in this movie, so it makes sense that she would look different. Not to mention it's an alt-reality version of the character.
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Supergirl and Swamp Thing sound interesting. I like Gunn's overall approach to the film universe. Although I don't like his description of the Superman film, I'm glad they are starting fresh.
I found this interesting:
QuoteGunn calls The Flash, directed by Andy Muschietti, “probably one of the greatest superhero movies ever made.”
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6 hours ago, Rushmoras said:
Batman... man, I thought that "Year One" reboots him, but... apparently, it's just stand-alone so far, because everything else is more or less from the past (Robin, another Robin, rogue gallery; hell, even Son of the Demon, which was, if compared to all the crap I had to read trough since Year One, was very good); and it's more or less of one-shot self-contained stories. Bleh, well, I guess, there will be a broader arc with those women being carved up in Batman 414, but it's being intercepted by the Millenium arc. Ugh.
Post-Crisis Batman takes a couple years to find its footing, so maybe stick it out for a little longer. The continuity eventually gets tighter and more fluid. Especially after Death in the Family.
Pre-Crisis Batman of the 80s had better continuity and broader arcs than early post-Crisis Batman, for what it's worth.
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Superman on film just hasn't been done properly yet, and I think that Gunn realizes this. I think that his only choices were either a clean reboot, or a DC film universe with no Superman at all. My guess is that anything in between would be a disservice to the property and the audience in Gunn's eyes.
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4 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:
I also don't care how he labels it, his Young Superman is another origin story I wonder if he's thinking of copying MCU Spider-Man with a Triology Origin Story?
I don't see any reason why Gunn's Superman would have to be an origin story. You can reboot the story without retelling the origin.
I think Superman is long overdue for a respectful film adaptation and I'm interested to see what Gunn will do with it.
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That's sad to hear.
I wonder if they will now kill off Epiphany.
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I think that Gunn mentioned that it won't be an origin story.
This reboot is probably for the best. The DCEU was a mess from the jump. I doubt that there was much of any chance to salvage Superman after the Snyder films, despite Cavill's performance. Superman deserves better.
It's unfortunate for some of the actors and some of the more successful movies. But I think that ultimately we can do without a Wonder Woman or Aquaman on screen for a while. Same for Flash or Shazam. DC doesn't necessarily have to rely upon those characters.
44 minutes ago, Peace 47 said:Since my favorite DC character is actually Lois Lane
A solo Lois Lane film/series would be dope.
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The Watchmen comic was a limited series telling a single self-contained story over the course of a year by one writer/artist team. Not an ongoing comic book series telling multiple stories throughout decades with a variety of different writers/artists, like most of the primary DC/Marvel characters. I don't think it's really the best example to use in this case.
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The days of comic book adaptations being closely faithful to the source material are long over in my view. They are on an entirely different path now. I think that at this point it would probably be better for fans to just forget everything they know about the comics before watching the movies, and be prepared for something else completely.
Also, I'm all for keeping comics fans away from writing and directing the movies. I think that a healthy lack of history with the source material is a better approach.
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34 minutes ago, rmontro said:
In the early phases of the MCU that's what I felt I was getting, but it's very clear to me at least that they care less and less about the real comics fans as time goes on.
That's only natural. The more successful and more popular something becomes, the more it should evolve beyond how it started. It makes sense that as the film series grows it would become less and less targeted towards fans of the original material, and instead aim for a wider and wider audience. That's both good storytelling and good business.
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45 minutes ago, rmontro said:
Those characters are recast, I see no reason why they can't do that with the MCU. They may need a reboot the way things are gone.
Those characters were recasted only when their universes were rebooted. There's no way they would just reboot the entire MCU. At least not for a very long time to come.
48 minutes ago, rmontro said:These are classic characters that people want to see, and should be around.
People also want to see the actors that have portrayed those characters. You can't just separate the two in audiences minds.
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7 hours ago, CeChase said:
I just don't understand why Elizabeth is getting involved with Nik on this. She is 100% an accomplice to kidnapping now. And 100% an accomplice to whatever ends up happening to a young pregnant woman. She would end up in prison in real life. So this story just doesn't make sense to me. I don't buy that she would do this. She's a single mom. It makes zero sense and it's really annoying.
I can buy it. Liz has always been willing to get her hands dirty when it involves Nikolas. She also has no problem doing shady stuff like with the whole Drew/"Jake"/Jason thing a few years ago.
I do find it odd that they are throwing her into this story right when they're in the middle of the Finn/Jeff/Reiko story.
1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:What is the bond between Felicia and Maxie that Mac thinks he missed out on? Maxie, Georgie, and Robin all consider Mac their father. He doesn't need a biological link for that.
It's the biological bond he wants. Genetics are very important to many people. Also, he wants the father/son bond the way Felicia has the mother/daughter bond.
1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:How would Mac react if he were another possible daughter? I doubt it would be similar.
I'm sure that it would be different. Men relate differently to male children than they do to female children.
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3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:
It was the BEST iteration of Bats in animation.
I agree, but it's not like it ever had any serious competition.
The show is great, but I think most of that is due to the quality of animation and artwork, the writing, performances, and musical score. Not so much their approach to the Batman characters and mythos. Those aspects were decent, but not especially groundbreaking in my view.
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4 hours ago, rmontro said:
But to be clear, Namor wasn't Nah-more, he wasn't Aztec, he was king of Atlantis, not Talocan. These are comic book characters people want to see on the screen, I don't care what sort of message the directors want to make, let them write movies with their own characters.
He was from Atlantis in the comic books. The thing is, the movies are not the comic books. They are only based on the comic books. There are many different ways to approach an adaptation, not just recreating the same story for another medium. You can also take the original story and re-imagine it into another form.
I can understand how some fans would want to see the original versions of these characters on film, but movies and film are about much more than that. Filmmakers are artists, and they may have their own ideas and visions that they wish to express when taking on a project. That's part of the power and opportunity of making art.
4 hours ago, rmontro said:They didn't make Iron Man a Mayan, or change Thor from Norse mythology to Egyptian.
True, but Namor in the comic books is no Iron Man or Thor. He doesn't carry the same weight as those characters within the publication history, despite having appeared during the Golden Age.
Additionally, Greco-Roman mythology and particularly Atlantis are played out. We don't need to be beaten over the head with it over and over again. Especially when there is so much mythology to be found outside of Western cultures that has yet to be explored.
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5 hours ago, rmontro said:
Namor is the oldest character in the Marvel universe, and I don't see the necessity for making changes to him.
There doesn't have to be any kind of necessity when taking liberties with established characters. If the writers and director want to take a new and different approach to a character, then that's all that's required. It all comes down to what best serves the story and filmmakers' vision.
5 hours ago, rmontro said:It seems you can no longer count on Marvel to make faithful film adaptations of its own characters.
I hadn't realized that Namor's characterization in the film was somehow unfaithful to the comic books. Or are you referring to the character's costume and design? Because in my view there's a lot more to being a faithful film adaptation than just a character's appearance.
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Well, this is a bit unexpected. I don't think he had been sick for very long. He was still doing interviews and making appearances and such.
Not really a huge fan of TAS or the DCAU, and I think that their take on Batman was overrated, but Kevin Conroy was great as Bruce Wayne/Batman. Even when the writing was shit, Conroy could still sell it. His performance is classic. Definitely iconic.
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29 minutes ago, Hiyo said:
Which is pretty normal for street level vigilantes loool
Except that the Batman is not a normal street level vigilante. It's a superhero comic. He wears a Bat costume, and he's a billionaire.
35 minutes ago, Hiyo said:I suppose the Batcave was also just a souped up headquarters...
Well... yes. It's just a cave that has been converted into an office and workspace.
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9 minutes ago, Hiyo said:
The Batmobile always was high tech relative to it's era, as was the Batplane.
Not really. It's a souped up car and airplane. Nothing astoundingly hi-tech. Especially compared to the 1990s comic book upgrades or the Nolan/Burton stuff.
13 minutes ago, Hiyo said:You don't see Daredevil with a plane or car.
Only because that's not his gimmick, it's Batman's. And because Matt Murdock ain't rich.
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There's nothing especially hi-tech about the pre-90s Batplane in my view. As well as the Batmobile and the rest. Not until the Wayne Enterprises concept began to expand in the 90s when so much was explained away with military contracts and advanced scientific research divisions and so forth.
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1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:
What's the big deal about the hmms and awws with Reiko? It's not like Elizabeth killed her when she pushed her down the stairs. We've been told that St. Reiko died from Blackwood disease or whatever it's called.
I'm guessing that maybe the disease will turn out to be some kind of a cover story and the fall somehow killed her. Or if not then some other kind of cover up involving Jeff, maybe a pregnancy... who knows.
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14 hours ago, Hiyo said:
I think the only time we see a Batman that is this low-tech is when they are doing Year One era stories.
I would argue that most of the pre-1990s stories are relatively low-tech compared to what we see in the Nolan/Burton/Schumacher films. Maybe somewhat more high tech than in this particular film, but not hugely so in my view.
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16 hours ago, Hiyo said:
Depends which Batman you are reading.
That's somewhat true, but I think that the lower-tech aspects and eras of the comics outnumbers the higher-tech stuff.
The Flash (2023)
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I'm not sure exactly what it is that you're trying to say, but it doesn't help your argument when you start off by making false equivalences.