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On 2/3/2022 at 3:38 AM, gingerella said:
the choir opening is growing on me, that's all I'll say about that for now...
Hooray! I thought of you as I watched the opening credits here. When they get to "billowing breeze, islands and seas..." Lump in my throat.
On 2/3/2022 at 3:38 AM, gingerella said:I love only you. It was the same phrase that Jamie told Claire to quell their fight at Lallybroch, after Claire learned that Jamie had married Leery. I always like a good call back to an older episode. It used to happen more often but this was a good one!
This episode, more than any other we've had for a long time, showcases the feels between these two. The portrayal here was just a little different and more on point - longer glances, small smiles, open displays of affection - it felt a lot more like Season I, which appears to be a common thread through many of the comments on this episode.
Similarly, some of the dialogue here was A+. I feel like it has been bordering on cheesy lately, but there were some major gems here from Jamie's snark at Roger to Fergus' "Congratulations, Milady. You work fast, Milord!" to Fergus and Lionel Brown discussing champagne. I didn't look back to see who wrote this episode, but I'm a fan.
On 2/4/2022 at 11:17 AM, WatchrTina said:And woe betide the character who faces off against the two of them when Marsali and Claire present a united front.
Bring it!! Clairsali all the way!
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5 hours ago, Camera One said:
I can see Murtaugh being extreme when it came to personal honors and wrongs, but I don't see him being this dogged with a political dispute. If he was able to stay pragmatic and open minded with the whole Jaime-trying-to-stop-the-Jacobite-rebellion mission, it's hard to believe he would be so stubborn on this one, seeing it as an all or nothing.
This is a really great point. Jamie already told him to cool his jets a bit. He's only ever been passionate about things centered around Jamie. Here's Jamie telling him that this time is different, and it'll all work out, but Murts is like "Nah...I've got a pot of boiling tar here that I don't want to waste." He's never gone against Jamie before. Why now?
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On 2/3/2022 at 3:17 AM, gingerella said:
And how is it that their house has soooo many rooms
I think I mentioned in the S5.1 thread that this house really bothers me. It is beautiful, but completely unrealistic for this stage in their lives on the Ridge. I know, I'm complaining about something being unrealistic in a show that is slightly about time travel.
On 2/3/2022 at 3:17 AM, gingerella said:And why would she go upstairs in a dark, creepy horror house too?
I'm not sure if I caught this the first time around, but I definitely noted this time that she smelled the rotting body. As a surgeon, she would have been familiar with that smell and it would have provoked her to go take a closer look. Not that Claire needs much provoking to be impulsive...
Gross stuff aside, I did really like this one. Loved seeing Marsali starting to "get it" and take an active role in the healing of the Ridge. Loved seeing Roger Mac settle in with the group of men.
Most of all, I really appreciated Jamie and Claire working together to help someone, which was so reminiscent of Season 1. They make a great team, and that's why I'm here. It was also touching to me that Jamie put the pieces together from his father's death, so at the end we have a further understanding of why he's so unsettled by what happened in the cabin. Added bonus, this one reminded me a lot of The Garrison Commander from Season 1, in that it was largely set in one location, full of tension, and well-acted.
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12 hours ago, gingerella said:
And Murtagh, that's not winning any friends is it?
As I watched this, I was thinking "Is that really OUR Murtaugh? Would OUR Murtaugh do this?" I initially felt like they'd butchered his character and it wasn't believable. But then, I remembered that he did cut off Sandringham's head, so yeah...I guess our Murtaugh could go this route.
12 hours ago, gingerella said:the choir opening...I gave it another chance. It was okay...sorry!
It's ok! I like folky music. The purity of the choir... It just gets to me.
12 hours ago, gingerella said:Marsali butchering meat like a fucking boss was epic. How could someone I loathed so much when first we met her, grow on me to the point where I adore her?!
YES!! I need so much more of her. I find her so much more appealing than Bree.
What caught my attention the most in this episode was Jamie trying to play both sides. In particular, I thought the non-verbal communication with the Scottish Regulator prisoners was really good, as though Jamie was willing them to understand and bide their time. Aside from that, this one dragged a bit for me.
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10 hours ago, Camera One said:
It's like they needed to remind us this show is about Scottish people.
Oh my goodness! Yes!!
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This is my smiling face 😃 and so happy for Season 5.
On 1/22/2022 at 9:33 PM, gingerella said:new music theme is very uninspiring
Ok. Stop right there. Stop. It. Right. There. Season 5's theme is my favorite of all of the seasons. The choir. THE CHOIR. It actually makes me weep. I wept!
On 1/22/2022 at 9:33 PM, gingerella said:I find it difficult to believe they made that big house mantle, etc. all by themselves. What are these other settlers living in that they can afford to help Jamie and Claire build their Better Huts and Cabins woodland manse
I hate the set design of this house. This is so unbelievable. In a show where I do a lot of hand-waving, even this is too far for me. And how much time has passed? Wee Jem is still a babe and they've built this massive house in a matter of months? Nope. I canna do it.
On 1/22/2022 at 9:33 PM, gingerella said:The entire wedding felt extremely cheesy to me. I kept feeling cringy the entire time
YES! As I was watching, the word "Hokey" kept flashing in my brain like a neon sign. I did appreciate the flashback to J&C's nuptials, because chemistry. And then compare that to Bri and Rog at the alter and the complete lack of chemistry. The entire wedding itself felt very anachronistic, which I guess is ok, given that two people from the 1960s are getting married.
On 1/22/2022 at 9:33 PM, gingerella said:Ditto J & C trying to get it on with a baby crying in the other room.
Speaking of cringe, hated the music montage.
On 1/22/2022 at 9:33 PM, gingerella said:And why would Jamie give his Fiery Cross speech in front of the red coats?
Some context, this whole episode is a poorly done mash-up of some poorly written events in Book 5. Typically the show improves upon the poorly written elements, but not here. The actual fiery cross moment here makes absolutely no sense given how they set it up because they didn't give you all of the other information you need to go with it. Instead, you're left wondering why the f is he doing this?
Things I Did Like Because I'm Not Always Grumpy:
- I love Marsali. Please sign me up for more of her. The drinking game riddles were so fun, and if Covid ever ends, I'm hosting the biggest bonfire riddling drinking game since Bri and Rog's wedding. Everyone is invited. "How about a little Shakespeare?!"
- Claire as a healer. I enjoy watching her in action, and I appreciate the people lined up to see her.
- Germaine is a cutie.
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21 hours ago, Haleth said:
I just told someone there is enough content for 3 or 4 novellas, yet half the book is leisurely (but pleasant) slice o’ life stuff at the Ridge.
Agree, and I feel like that is where a huge swath of this book belongs - in the LJG novellas.
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5 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:
William and Brianna were really lovely if more truncated than I would have liked.
Agree. They were an unexpected treat for me. I don't particularly care for them so much by themselves, but I really enjoyed them together. Wish there would have been more of that.
5 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:I'm also a little aggravated this this is now the second book in a row to end on a scene I really want to see a continuation of, knowing that it may be another five or so years before Gabaldon puts out another book and barring cancellation the series will certainly have passed this point to wrap up by then. ... I have a lot of mixed thoughts on the big reveal/plot twist that I won't get into now beyond annoyance at how easily it went full monologuing Bond villain.
YES! The ending was so..."Ok, now what? We're stopping here?!" It's like she closes her Word file and is like, ok, that's it for today. Here's the book.
The plot twist was a little silly as it was and needed more development. And then they just suddenly receive with the deed and letter later? She just sort of threw that in at the end.
5 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:I'm also really over whole stretches about dour Presbyterians who think it's okay to be shitty to the landowning family and Jamie just ... lets them. I was over it three books ago.
YESSSSSSS!!!!! It's a tired plot point, and frankly, I don't think Jamie would stand for it. She could have cut out all of the Cunningham nonsense and made it about Ferguson's militia stirring up loyalists and burning out rebels.
I'm going to try this one again in a few weeks, and maybe it will grow on me.
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21 hours ago, McKavity said:
Sooo…. I’m at the 86% mark. Not fully engaged (not enough J&C), and I may not finish because of the plot twist that occurs at this stage of the book.
This is EXACTLY how I felt at this point.
21 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:From there Gabaldon seems hellbent on rehashing every minor plot point she ever left dangling or bringing back every minor character you never really wondered about.
I mentioned to someone else that I felt like she tied in every plotline from every LJG book. I never read those, and I don't care about those stories. It really took me out of this book.
21 hours ago, nodorothyparker said:It's a crowded book.
This is really a perfect summation.
I finished this one in the wee hours of this morning, and I have to say, I'm sad about it.
- I'm sad that I've finished it.
- I'm sad that we waited so long and this is what we got.
- I'm sad that she is freaking all over the place with this story. Clearly, there is some really interesting underlying stuff going on here, particularly at the Ridge, and she just blows right through it to focus on people that IDGAF about.
- I'm sad that she completely sidelined the heroine of this story, and more importantly, the actual STORY itself.
- I'm sad that I feel depressed about the last 10% of this book, including that BS she tried to pull on us at 93% of the way through.
I don't know. I think this was my least favorite of the series. I keep thinking, "That was it?"
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On 12/9/2021 at 4:50 PM, WatchrTina said:
You're right. That's worse. And someone hunting for it is likely to end up looking at a 2010 movie about ballet and madness called "Black Swan" (starring Natalie Portman) or finding an old 1942 swashbuckler film, "The Black Swan."
Interestingly, and by some cosmic intervention, hubs and I saw this listed on Netflix last night, and we watched it. The beginning is super cringe cheesy. The action is ok. Overall, the movie is meh. Sam, while incredibly dreamy throughout, can do better and deserves better than this.
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On 12/8/2021 at 10:03 AM, WatchrTina said:
There's just one problem -- there is ALREADY a movie called "Red Notice" that was released in 2021. "SAS: Red Notice" -- starring Sam Heughan as Special Forces operative Tom Buckingham had a limited release in theaters in early 2021 during the Pandemic.
I think I saw that it has a different name in the US.
A quick Google search tells me that it is called SAS: Rise of the Black Swan here. Also not a great name.
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19 hours ago, jqdeco said:
Just finished Bees.
I'm so close! 71%! (Ok, so in Gabaldon terms that's not really that close.)
SpoilerI'm moderately annoyed at the moment because we've been away from J&C for awhile, but I'm sure she'll bring everything back around soon.
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21 hours ago, WatchrTina said:
Here's a promo for Season 2 of "Men in Kilts" -- the continuing adventures of Sam and Graham running around exploring sights and having exciting (and frequently humorous) experiences in
ScotlandNEW ZEALAND!!!My favorite part of this is the announcement of a new show. I hope each episode has a longer run time than Season 1.
My second favorite part of this is the giant piece of fuzz in Sam's hair. Reminds me of a loooooongggg Team's session I had for work, where I was sharing my screen and presenting and no one bothered to tell me that my headset made a piece of my hair stick straight out at the side, as though I was being impaled. The joy of virtual meetings. Glad to see celebs struggle with them, too.
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I'm 35% of the way through and really liking it so far. I've laughed, cried, and gasped in surprise, and I still have so much more to read. The pacing of this one feels much more in line with ABOSAA and MOBY and is a huge improvement over Echo.
Enjoy!
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19 hours ago, WatchrTina said:
Publication day is TOMORROW!!! (Tuesday, November 23, 2021).
Mine downloaded to my Kindle at midnight. It was so exciting to wake up and see the alert in app that a new book was there. Excited to start on it tonight.
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20 hours ago, gingerella said:
Now we're losing Ian AND Rolo? Are you kidding me? The only two characters that literally never disappoint A Viewer? Jesus H. Roosevelt Christ on a cracker! This is madness writers, utter madness. Ian is fabulous, the actor is fabulous, he's the only actor who always delivers, and now we're squirreling him away with the Mohawks?
An Ian/Rollo spinoff is what the world needs right now.
20 hours ago, gingerella said:Also, so you mean to tell me Show, that the Mohawks just decide, "Oh hey, let's make this white person into a Mohawk, mmmkay?" Considering how aggressive them come across this seems bizarre to me. WHY would they want a white person as a member of their tribe?
Admittedly, this area of my knowledge of history is fuzzy, but I do think that the Iroquois often "adopted" others into their communities and I don't think race, nationality, etc. was a factor. I may be confusing the Iroquois with another nation, but I believe they welcomed the Tuscarora into their communities when that population was dwindling, so I don't think it was completely out of the ordinary, but I do see your point. I always thought that was the importance of the gauntlet they made Roger and then Ian run - it was to prove their prowess or worthiness in joining the Mohawk. Roger didn't make it = he wasn't worthy or suited to join them. Ian made it so he was.
20 hours ago, gingerella said:When C asks J what he's going to tell Jenny about Ian and he says, "Och, she'll understand, she knows her son and how stubborn he is when he gets something in his head...Besides, he's always longed for adventure..." A GIGANTIC WHAT.THE.FUCK thought bubble exploded inside my head! Yeah, sure Jamie, like Jenny's gonna say that when she finds out you let her son live in servitude more or less with a Mohawk tribe. Riiiiight! That was one of the dumbest lines in this show thus far.
100% agree. The Jenny I ken would have flipped her freaking lid and hopped on the first boat out of Inverness to come to upstate NY and find her boy.
Also, you mercifully didn't touch on this and I thank you for that, but I'll do it just for argument's sake. I hated the cheeseball ending of Brianna running to Roger. Gag-inducing. The really juvenile, blah writing of this season was specially highlighted in that one final scene of her running to him. Outlander Season 4 - bad wigs and bad writing. But at least we have Jotaugh (Murcasta?) to love and adore.
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Pre-ordered my Kindle copy of this yesterday, and I'm so excited for the auto download at midnight on 11/23. Yay!
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On 10/22/2021 at 5:23 PM, gingerella said:
Apologies for dragging you through the mud with us on this season, but appreciative you are here commiserating nonetheless!
Oh my goodness. Am I hate watching now? Is this hate watching?
On 10/24/2021 at 1:00 AM, Camera One said:The problem could be show-based or book-based or both.
I think it is both. But, the writers have improved upon poor book storylines before, so they could have/should have done that here, too.
On 10/24/2021 at 1:00 AM, Camera One said:It may be frustrating to watch, but I'm still on the edge of my seat waiting for the next episode.
Ok, yes. You're right. I guess I'm not hate watching now, because I'm still looking forward to the next episode.
17 hours ago, gingerella said:To be honest, why on earth would she want to tell this psychopath that she's having his baby. She doesn't even know 100% if it's his or Roger's so why go there? What if he escaped again, wouldn't he come for her and the baby?
14 hours ago, Camera One said:It was layers upon layers of unfathomable behavior. Forgiving Bonnet was bad enough. Okay fine, let's say we buy it helps with her healing. As you said, she doesn't even know if the baby is Bonnet's so why on earth would she take another step and tell him about that possibility?
Yes to both of these comments. At first, I was kind of like "I'm not going to judge the healing process of a rape victim because she needs to do what she needs to do." Her telling Bonnet that this is his baby makes zero sense for the reasons you pointed out, and it also diminishes Roger's role in this and that he could also be the father.
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12 hours ago, gingerella said:
Well, I'm not gonna lie...This was probably THE WORST episode in all four seasons. Honestly? I fast forwarded through it here and there because it was that tedious and boring as fuck. ...
No Claire, Jamie, Ian, or Rollo. I missed them. Oh, and because it needs to be said again, Roger is an idiot, and this season sucks.
AGREEEEEEEEE!!! I profusely love your entire comment. The whole shebang. I'm here for Jamie and Claire and if you don't give me Jamie and Claire, then why am I here? Additionally, if you aren't going to give me Jamie and Claire, then freaking give me Ian. This episode had a whole lot of nothing in it for me. I hated it.
12 hours ago, gingerella said:The dialogue between Brianna and Lord John couldn't get any more stilted, unemotional, and just blank. Like they're reading off cue cards.
Honestly, I struggle with every single Bri scene. I can't take it. I think it is one of the main struggles of the season, where they are departing large portions of the story from Jamie and Claire and focusing on other characters. I think that would be fine if the actors had the same chops and chemistry, but these folks do not. (Now Marsali and Fergus...different opinion there.) Some of these people look like they are trying SO hard, and it is painful to watch.
12 hours ago, gingerella said:And how is it that obviously preggers Brianna is swanning about River Run showing her pregnancy, whilst still being only engaged to Lord John? Riddle me that Aunt Jocasta? How is that less sinful and reputation damning than just being unwed and pregnant OR being pregnant and saying you were married and your husband was abducted by the Mohawk? I mean, it's the truth so why don't these characters state the obvious?!?
Yes, this storyline is just flat-out stupid and embarrassing. It induces me to sobbing "WHY! WHY! WHY!" (insert Nancy Kerrigan voice)
Rewatching this season further confirms for me why I never rewatch this season.
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On 10/16/2021 at 12:20 AM, Anothermi said:
Brianna sent Ulysses away so she could talk with Jocasta alone and started “May I speak frankly?” Jocasta's reply was a sardonic “Of course. Ye've been doing so all evening.” I just laughed out loud.
I'm enjoying the Jocasta/Bree exchanges as well, mostly because it shows that while Brianna has a lot of Fraser, she also has a whole lot of Mackenzie in her, too.
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20 hours ago, gingerella said:
it's not entertaining, it's annoying af
I spat my coffee!! YES! Absolutely.
20 hours ago, gingerella said:I really do love her and it's so odd because I hate her mother and hated her too when we first met her, but man has she grown on me. I think Fergus and Marsali are the smartest couple around right now.
LOVE Lauren Lyle. She really makes Marsali for me. I loathed Marsali at first, too, but you could see even then there was a little something special about her. She is such a gem.
I'm not a big interview-watcher, but during a recent procrastination session, I checked out a panel with the actors for Marsali, Fergus, and Young Ian. They were incredibly funny and charming. They need a reality show or a podcast or something. I need so much more of these three.
20 hours ago, gingerella said:John Gray saves the day!
He is the only thing that makes these scenes tolerable.
20 hours ago, gingerella said:It was painful to see Jamie and Claire so estranged for most of this episode. And it was a little heartbreaking when even Ian was begging Claire to make peace with Jamie.
I'm super fortunate to be one-half of a hugely supportive, loving marriage, but even we get off-kilter. I thought the portrayal of this was spot on. Sometimes, when you are angry or frustrated or even just trying to sort out a situation with your partner, it can be so hard to simply break the silence. And the longer the silence goes on, the harder it is to break for so many reasons - you don't want to hurt their feelings, you want to be sure you are being reasonable, it doesn't matter anymore. In what was a relatively weak episode, those long looks J&C were giving each other felt so familiar and real. When this show gets things right, it gets them very right.
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11 hours ago, Camera One said:
I don't know anything about the books, but it really doesn't seem the writer or the showrunners are all that interested in the time travel aspect of the story beyond providing the premise or a mechanism to keep certain characters together or apart. ...
In addition to neglecting the sci-fi aspect, I'm also disappointed that they don't often focus on the culture-clash aspect of a 20th century person adjusting to life in the 18th century. Roger and Brianna are now in the past, and they both supposedly love history, but they don't seem to show any passion or interest in living through history. Roger's history background hasn't helped him at all. ...
Breaking the No Book Talk rules here, but both the time travel and the culture shock are covered in much more detail in the source material. Both are annoyingly glossed over in the show.
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On 10/9/2021 at 8:09 PM, Anothermi said:
To know that by that time, getting his honour back was nothing to Jamie in contrast to the devastation Culloden unleashed. Black Jack Randal was just another casualty to him in this telling.
16 hours ago, gingerella said:I find it difficult to think that Jamie wouldn't feel relief at finally knowing he dealt BJR his last breath given when he'd done to Jamie.
14 hours ago, Anothermi said:What was important to me in the above version is that it shows how Jamie felt about it after he survived Culloden.
Yes, you writing out the dialogue is so helpful in processing these feelings (my feelings, that is). I agree that Jamie now has the great benefit of time to heal him, and not only just time, but the reunion with Claire and now his daughter. I do think Jamie was relieved to have killed BJR. Devastating as Culloden was to Jamie...ending the clans, his way of life, death of his men, etc...the worst loss that day was Claire, and I think that was the main agony he felt.
On 10/9/2021 at 8:09 PM, Anothermi said:The only other part I felt fell flat—and one the writer's gave Brianna—was the declaration that Jamie didn't get to be more angry/upset than she was. While it rings true as a feeling/reaction. It felt clunky to just say it.
Ugh, yes. This was so awkward. I'm guessing maybe it was her delivery, because I don't necessarily disagree with the words, per se, but it potency of it didn't feel right.
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Apologies in advance - I struggle to get behind the Brianna+Roger = One True Love. It's all a little "meh" for me. I watch it/read it but only to get to the next part of the story.
On 9/19/2021 at 6:02 PM, gingerella said:The reunion between Murtagh and Jocasta was sweet as well. There is a fondness there that feels real between those two characters, and we get a small glimpse into the lengths that Murtagh went to woo Ellen MacKenzie too. I wonder if Jocasta had a crush on Murtagh too?
I am loving the chemistry between these two.
On 9/20/2021 at 8:24 PM, Camera One said:It made no sense that Brianna wouldn't at least let Lizzie know that she would be away from the inn for awhile. I get that they needed a misunderstanding to have this plot, but there were just too many ridiculous actions and decisions that had to align for the scenario that would have Jaime beating up Roger and sending him away before Brianna would find out. When it's this convoluted, it's hard not to be taken out of the story completely, on top of the frustration of watching pretty much everyone do the wrong thing. It was like a comedy of errors except not funny at all.
Hear hear!! This perfectly encapsulates the nonsense.
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S05.E05: Perpetual Adoration
in Outlander
I'll take it. Mold is important, as Claire has reminded us. I heard the new song, too, and it was a hard no from me.
I love him so much. The show could use more of him and should have incorporated him more in Season 3.
My favorite part of this entire exchange was that it reminde me of Season 1's "The Watch". Jamie had killed Horrocks, the Watch was hanging around Lallybroch and looking for Horrocks. At breakfast, Jamie is confronted about killing him. Jamie casually sits back in his chair, butters his bannock, and is like "Yup, I killed him, and?"
This scene with Knox had a very similar vibe. Jamie leans back in his chair and casually throws out the truth. Loved it.