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I suppose we should be glad the reverse is not true. I would be more annoyed if Hollywood ageism resulted in thirty-somethings always playing the mothers of college-age people. It wasn't mentioned specifically that the garage is $500 a month. Grace says to Elena at the fundraiser, "I have a car" or something to that effect, implying it wasn't one they just called for that event, but had access to at any time. And I know from living in the city that it costs $500 or more to keep a car in a garage. Street parking isn't really feasible especially in their neighborhood.

I think he's more like 14 but I don't think he is the murderer. I think they want us to think he is. As a New Yorker I can tell you it is the one city I feel comfortable walking around alone at 4 am and have done so for decades. Not only did the driver drive exclusively for them but I think it is their personal car that he is driving which is kept in a garage for at least $500 a month. I have enjoyed this from the beginning but I feel like this episode was poorly written. After last week's show ended with Jonathan implying/confessing in the Connie Chung interview that he loved Elena, and watching Grace's look of shock and horror, shouldn't there have been some followup to that?? Maybe Grace asking Jonathan about it? But no, instead they are walking in the park like he never said it. That kind of continuity problem irks me to no end. Pet peeve; Why do characters shut off TVs when they are being discussed on the news? It certainly doesn't happen every day, and wouldn't Jonathan want to know what is being said about him? Seems it might help him in his defense to know what people are saying. Random observation, wondering if anyone noticed this. For a rich couple, Jonathan and Grace have a really small bed. It doesn't even look like a Queen. More like a Full. Barely room for two pillows! Fernando's death glare with Jonathan at the metal detector seemed kind of misplaced after they had that warm meeting at his apartment where he gets to hold the baby. I wonder if there were some reshuffling of scenes in the editing room. Why oh why is this family who seems to value its privacy eating in a posh apparently high-profile restaurant in the middle of the trial of the century? That makes no sense to me. You'd think the'd be trying to avoid the spotlight. And the confession (near the coatrack?) that Jonathan had accidentally let his sister get killed seemed an even odder bit of staging. Regarding the trial, as most have stated—irregularities all around. Sylvie breezes in and waves to the prosecutor like she's just spotted her at a bistro? WTF? In some courtrooms that behavior will get a stern reprimand from the court officer. By the way, witnesses are not permitted to watch the proceedings before they testify, so none of these observers in the galley better show up on the witness stand next week or I'm going to lose my lunch. The writers are working very hard to convince us now that Henry the killer with his statement at dinner that he wants them to be a family again, the reveal about seeing Dad with Elena, (leading to a bizarre smile and wave by Jonathan), etc., and while I do admit the finding of the weapon in the violin case coupled with Henry's wide-eyed stare was pretty gripping, the quick HBO rush to "scenes-from-next week" kind of killed the suspense for me. I am psyched to find out the ending but I'm afraid I'm going to be disappointed. What are y'all watching when this is over or what can you recommend in the way of cool psychological thrillers? It's going to be a long winter.

Yes I remember that, but I was wondering if I missed something about a link between the parents blaming him for the dog's death and his being estranged from them.

Is the dog story the reason he doesn't speak to them? I know he said he hasn't talked to them since college, but Grace's story that the parents blamed him for the dog being killed was when he was a child. In any event, I would think a more likely result of that story is he has a dog that he enthusiastically cherishes.

If Sylvia was the other fling, though, would she have met with Grace and unloaded that whole story about how she represented him on the case at the hospital? Seems to me she'd stay away from talking about him at all lest she telegraph subconsciously that they had a past.

It may be a wig but in my opinion it's a terrible one. The top is full but the ends are very straggly. I think the one she wore in Big Little Lies was much more flattering.

The public defender that represented Jonathan at first.

First I thought that but then when I saw the anger in Grace's eyes I realized he probably meant Elena.

It's possible he doesn't say who it is but uses it as leverage against Grace, implying he might be about to accuse her.

But he wasn't going to Cleveland til the following day. If he killed her, he did it between the fundraiser and before he crawled into bed with Grace later that night, right? Then when she woke up, he was gone, presumably to Cleveland, until she finds his phone in the drawer. I don't know...this is very confusing.

Franklin confessed to Grace about the infidelity to her mother. Maybe he believes the women he had sex with were shameless vixens who tempted him, and by killing Elena, who he somehow found out was Jonathan's lover, he extinguishes the vixen that threatened to wreck his daughter's marriage and also makes amends to his dead wife? (I really hope it's not that). On another note, is it possible that Franklin killed his wife?

Has anyone notice that Miguel has yet to utter a word?

The fake conference and timeline of the fundraiser absolutely needs to be cleared up. He mentioned the conference both the morning of the fundraiser and in the car. We now know that was a lie. So if he did the murder, did he plan it prior to lying about the upcoming trip? And If so, why does he think a pre-planned trip to Cleveland makes him look less guilty? Why did he leave his phone in the drawer? To look like he accidentally left it? It would look more natural if it was left plugged in to charge it, not hidden in the back of a drawer. Hidden in a drawer looks like he didn't want the police to GPS his whereabouts. Again, as mentioned before, people are doing things that make themselves look guilty. Also, at the fundraiser, why is Elena crying in the bathroom? Why is Hugh the actor, not showing what would likely be Jonathan's discomfort and awkwardness at seeing Elena across the room? And further to that, why was Hugh the actor not showing any reaction from Jonathan at all when Grace is telling him about Elena's weird behavior? None of this is adding up and it's making my brain hurt.

To me, that bizarro facial thing made me think he has some deeper demons at work and put him back on the suspect list.

Right, forgot about that.

Why do characters on this show purposely make themselves look guilty when it's not necessary? Instead of responding with "I never posed for that picture," Grace looks ashamed and flees. Then when Henry is questioned by the headmaster, instead of just saying plainly that he accidentally bumped into Miguel and apologized, he looks down and away and makes a weird comment that makes it look like something more sinister occurred. Did he have a fugue state as well? There was a weird moment in Haley's office where it looked like she was about to kiss Jonathan. What was that about? It makes no sense to me that Fernando would open the door without checking to see who it was. But based on his candidness about trying to love the baby, and by offering to let Jonathan hold her, I think he can be officially ruled out as a suspect. How many people has Donald Sutherland's character (Franklin?) threatened in this show?

Haley asked but we didn't hear his answer. And it's possible Haley and Sylvia are acquainted in legal circles.

The next scene is in the hospital. Henry and her dad show up and then Jonathan. She says she passed out from shock and is being discharged. Jonathan takes out his penlight and checks her vision and some other things and says she's fine and they hold hands meaningfully. Dad looks annoyed. The next scene is the chess game.

Aside from the public defender accent, the assistant district attorney had one I could not place either.

I was trying to figure out that accent too and I didn't know what it was. Which reminds me, Nicole's accent slipped out when she said the word "ascertain." The museum scene was great for dramatic effect but like all detectives-showing-up-casually-to-question-people, it just doesn't happen that way. I think it was said earlier on the show that tuition is $50,000 a year but Jonathan apparently went to Grace's dad and said he needed money and so he just gave him a check for $500,000, presumably to cover a lot of things. I guess we are to assume he told Grace's dad he was fired from his job? If so, why would Dad allow this to be kept from Grace? Having been a public defender in NYC I can tell you that no way would he qualify. And even if he did, a private attorney would swoop down in an instant and offer to take the case at cost to get the publicity. Why is this actor not listed in the end credits I wonder? Is it because he's a featured actor and listed in the beginning? It confused me too in that scene but it is not the daughter who was sick and they were not talking about the sick son. Grace was talking about Elena being sick, i.e. sick in the head. I was thinking if he is the murderer, he killed her and then went home and had sex with Grace, but somehow cleaned up the blood first? Here is one thing I don't get. In the car on the way to the fundraiser (and possibly before in the morning when Grace was taking a shower) he mentioned going to Cleveland the following day. So did he pre-plan to kill Elena the night of the fundraiser and then have a semi-alibi because he'd be out of town the next day? This conflicts with his confession to Grace that he left the fundraiser, went to Elena's had sex, left, came back(?) and she was dead. I would like to think these loose ends would be tied up but I might be asking too much. Interestingly she always seems to have just come out of Central Park at Fifth Avenue. When Grace was meeting with Alvez I sensed she was angry with him but also trying not to excite him lest he get upset and throw the baby out of anger that it is not his. Yes I am seeing a pattern here of where Grace imagines things she hopes have happened, such as when she wants to believe Jonathan is a good guy so she pictures these scenes of him acting empathetically with sick kids, and now she wants to believe he's innocent of the murder, so she imagines Mr. Alvez skulking around and angrily seeing Jonathan and Elena having sex, although one would think she would repress or blur out that part. I rewatched that segment myself because I was curious about that and no, it was the other blond friend who said that. While I was watching I saw that Jonathan did not appear to be hiding anything or feel awkward when Elena arrived which, whether or not he was guilty of murder, one would think he would be since he has admitted having the affair.

The fugue state angle has been floating around in my mind the past three episodes and I agree it could be and would be very intriguing. However, Grace kind of dashes that possibility when she right away says, "I was walking, I go out walking" or something like that, which bespeaks a knowledge she was in the area and not the deliciously confused affect that would occur if it was a fugue state. I thought the same thing, Henry is definitely taller. That actor that plays the doctor (Stuart?) looks very familiar to me, too. And what he was saying about the God complex reminded me of another movie where Nicole Kidman played a woman married to a doctor, "Malice," with Alec Baldwin, where he actually said, "I AM God." I live in NYC and back in the 80s this type of thing would definitely be getting a lot of coverage but nobody really watches local news anymore so nowadays I kind of doubt it. Who was in the Practice?

I've been mulling this episode over in my mind and I've kind of changed my view. Thinking it was kind of a letdown when Jonathan showed up at the beach house. Took away all the suspense of where is he? Is Grace's whole life a mirage? Are things not as they appear? Then previews came on of him in an orange jumpsuit saying, "I'm innocent!" Thinking this show is not gong to be as titillating as I once thought, maybe just a run-of-the mill courtroom drama.

I have hesitated posting this but I've reached a point where I can no longer take the Qunol Turmeric commercial with the young doctor in the blue scrubs. He not once, not twice, but at least three times pronounces the word TURMERIC like this: TURMRIC. What the heck is this?? Why is he leaving out a vowel?? What is the reason for that? It's gotten so whenever I hear that little jingle and look up and see the blue boy I turn the sound down because I can't handle it. Where was the diction department during the filming of this??

I know this is years and years later but I'm a late watcher. What the heck kind of name is "Jodes?" Is this a nickname for something? A midwestern-southern thing? Can someone please enlighten me as this name was flung about on the show as if there was nothing unusual about it and I'm not buying it.

Also I think there were air quotes with that. I think it was supposed to be offensive! These ladies remind me of the ones in Big Little Lies.