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Ah right. Jemmy is a red head in the book yes, and its Jemmy who tells Claire that Mrs Wilson isn't dead in the book so that's why I assumed it was Jemmy. If its Germain his hair is still wrong as he's got blond hair in the books which probably added to my confusion but they don't make a big deal of it like they do with Jemmy's looks. (Where him taking after Brianna and Jamie so strongly means it comes up repeatedly there is no clue to who actually fathered him, until there suddenly is, though I forget when that comes up)

I know they can't get kids actors to have the extraordinary (and convenient) family resemblances from the book but I think the funeral scene is the first time I've noticed how dark haired the current kid portraying jemmy is. They could have least cast a red head. I think the books explain the lack of knowledge about the revolutionary war in thst Claire never expected to end up in America, and while Roger wnd Brianna did they didn't expect to stay. It was warn Claire about the fire/fetch Brianna and go back to the future. Brianna knows more having gone through the American school susyen and having lived in Boston. I do think their lack of knowledge is believable based on British education system, I'm British and don't believe its ever been covered in the British school system, everything I know about the revolutionary war comes from Outlander and Hamilton. And i can't imagine the syllabus was broader when Claire and Roger were educated. Roger taught at Oxford which i doubt is anyone's first choice for studying American history. Brianna probably had more time to do research i think as she plays a long game on going back, packing her stuff and writing to Roger etc, but Roger is rushing because it's nearly a fire festival when he realises what she's done. (is it Halloween when he goes back through first time)

I think Ian is talking about Isabeau, the baby girl who died which started his and Emilys marital troubles and not Swiftest of Lizards of uncertain parentage who they seem more certain might be his in Bees. He speaks of his child in the past tense.

Yeah in the book Marsali tended the malting shed in part because she and Fergus couldnt be as productive while farming because of his disability and thats where she and claire were when the browns attacked, so it's lingering guilt over that that leads to his feeling inadequate? I think they were just at the house in the show so it isn't as obvious this is all linked? Though the still was burned so maybe I'm just mixing up the show locations.

I thought all the Christies were excellently cast, with the overly rigid dad and the likable kids. Though i hate the kids in the books because of how it ends and I definitely don't want to like Alan knowing what he's doing to his sister and I end up having some sympathy for Tom. But I can definitely see how Claire will bond with Malva given how outgoing she is. I do think having Mark Lewis Jones as a contemporary of Jamie does not help the already difficult job of perceiving Sam as in his 50s. Did people abuse ether? It seems ineffective if it'll wear off in 4 mins and like laudanum would be more effective to numb yourself long-term but I suppose there were less side effects?

Fergus does have a bad time in the books where he is awol a large amount of the time but I believe when Claire and Brianna think he's abusing Marsali it's a misunderstanding. He shouts at one of their children for spilling milk (that he's struggled to milk one handed) and Marsali has a flashback to one of laoghaire's husbands before Jamie who was abusive and tries to hit Fergus with a stick and he bruises her arm when he grabs her fending her off. It's never stated he actually hit her and its that and his subsequent That lead to Jamie deciding to send them away from the ridge because Fergus can't farm and needs to live somewhere he can provide for his family with none manual labour.

I thought it was interesting that she gave her mother's name as Dr Holly Maddox, when her name is June Osborne - she didn't take Luke's name (Bankole?) when they married so where did Osborne come from? In the book June's father is not in the picture at all (spoiler below) so why would her mother give her his name? Seems unlikely, I'd assumed her mother's surname was Osborne as well until this episode.

I did think George was talking about the pork fat causing the fire he was implying that the fire might have been caused by them overloading the oven - earlier on we had Larissa trying to fit as much pork belly in there as possible (so they would have more to serve) hence them being penalised.

The favourite least favourite elimination seems an utter swizz to me, yeah some people picked things that they just didn't like or disliked for reasons that actually meant they weren't that hard to cook with but I still think some people thought ahead and were like we're being asked this for a reason - yeah I totally hate lamb. They should have asked for a couple of option and tried to give things of approximate difficulty - I mean tripe/dried fish and cauliflower/ broccoli are not on the same level.

I liked some of the changes - the whole big argument Bree and Jamie had before she even finds out about Roger being cut makes sense given how it makes Jamie appear but I miss him going to Claire for advice after and being told apologise which does actually work. And I wish they hadn't had Jamie claim Ian has a crush on Brianna which kind of undercuts his proposal being a way of making it up to her because they've now had it be all him selling Roger to the Mohawk which I think also undercuts him volunteering to be the one adopted by the Mohawk which in the books I think he does as much for Jamie not to have to do it and miss out out on his wife and daughter as to make up for his part in things. It's a lot easier for Ian to make a new life for himself after all. I assume Claire didn't defend Ian and Jamie so that they could have the next big misunderstanding where Jamie spends the journey to the Mohawk wondering if Claire would prefer Frank to him just like Brianna. But actually, I've never really considered did Claire tell Jamie about to her promise to Frank to not look for him while Frank was alive? I know he later finds out Frank wasn't the best husband - I think Claire and her glass face give a bit away when he is talking about Laoghaire and how things were between them. Because otherwise given Claires timing - coming back after Frank's death Jamie could think he was second best. (Rare moment of insecurity for the King of Men there.) Roger does have a reason to stay in the show at least - in the books he knows he was beaten and sold to the Mohawk by Jamie Fraser and up until they come to rescue him he worries Bree was so mad she was in on it. In the show he just got jumped by a random bloke - I do think there is a resemblance between Sam and Sophie but it's not the eerie book resemblance where Jamie is obviously her Dad so Roger can want to get back to her without thinking she had this set up for him as he worries in the books.

That's right - I think at this point they have done the foundations and I think they put the roof on the surgery for Roger to stay when he arrives back and they do a bit more roofing which allows Jamie and Claire to move in and not be kept up by Jem crying at night. (Bonus of being a grandparent) and Roger then eventually moves into the cabin. It's just occurred to me that the glass windows in the current property are probably for ease of filming and light so maybe it is meant to be the cabin. I did really want to see Claire's surgery but I guess you can see part of it in the current house with her hanging herbs and the jars of alcohol etc.

Ian is not meant to be innocent, but he's not meant to be a hottie either - He's repeatedly described as gangly and homely at this stage - Claire even thinks at one point his hazel eyes are his 'one claim to beauty'. When he comes back from the Mohawk he's all lean muscle from hard living but still skinny and obviously, then his tattoos mean he becomes very distinctive. The cabin is so much nicer than I pictured - I wasn't sure if this was meant to be the big house (mainly because of the glass windows) the cabin never has those in the books they have windows of flattened horn (let in light but not much use for seeing out of) but then it's not big enough to be the big house which had an upstairs and a surgery separate from the main room.

The reunions were very well done I thought. I thought Sam nailed Jamie's reactions and enjoyed the familt feel. Though there were a couple of bizarre bits. Why was Brianna telling Lizzy to be ladylike when in the book at this point she's marching round in breeches. She never really cares for the 18th century expectations of ladylike behaviour. I would have been totally okay as well if they had chose to cut out the Jamie having a piss against a wall (tree in the book) when Brianna finally finds him. Like he touches her face in both show and book and it's meant to be touching and yet part of me is just like WASH your hands first. Ahem I was sad Brianna never went to River Run and met Jocasta. I hope she still goes there when they go to rescue Roger as that's the beginning of her relationship with Lord John but I wonder if they might be done with River Run the way they are condensing it. She could stay on the Ridge with Murtagh in the show. But I really want to see both Ian's proposal to Brianna and hers to Lord John as they are probably my fav parts of this whole mess. The things they insist upon on the show are weird. Like oh we have to have them sitting on a bench when Claire sees then like in the book. They aren't on a bench they're on a cart because Claire is back on the Ridge and she's sees them drive up together (with the glass for the windows that the house already has in the show.) In the book Roger doesn't actually get to give Jamie a name. He is going by Mackenzie instead of Wakefield but Jamie actually asks him if he's Mr. Mackenzie to which he says yes. Presumably because a real introduction would have involved his first name and stopped the comedy of errors in its track. I loved the bit where Jamie saw Brianna smiling in her sleep and knew that was like him. And while Lizzy is getting a lot of flack I think her suspicion of men in general is explained by her history. And I liked they've kept her book crush on young Ian who remains oblivious at this point. Oh yeah my dog is handsome. Bless him.

This is true. I do love when Jamie seems to accept Roger more and starts calling him Wee Roger - the man is all of an inch or so shorter than him right? I love the scene when Jamie wants to go hunting and he bursts into Brianna and Roger's cabin early morning and Roger's trying to preserve his modesty and Jamie is just like 'This is no time to be hanging about bare arsed Wee Roger.'

Roger's hanging is actually in book 5 due to a misunderstanding with his great great great (etc) grandfather. In the book the local tribe is Tuscora not the Cherokee and so they take him to the Mohawk because they don't want him to be local so it could still end up with the Mohawk that they trade Roger too. He's also going by Roger Mackenzie which is probably quite sensible given the large percentage of Scottish population in the colony and only manages to give his surname to Jamie and Ian but Bree has them all looking out for Roger Wakefield. When Bree (who is a talented artists in the books - I don't think this has come up in the show?) draws Roger to help Jamie look for him they realise what has gone on and Jamie and Ian (and Claire) go to get him back while Brianna goes to River Run with Jocasta. Claire goes because Brianna doesn't trust Jamie to bring Roger back. They get Roger back from the Indians but when they were there Roger killed a man not aware they'd come to get him (he's in a bad state and a fellow prisoner is being executed at the same time)and to replace the dead man someone has to be adopted into the tribe. Jamie plans to volunteer but Ian beats him too it, then on the way back they tell Roger that Bree is pregnant but also that it might not be his due to the rape and when he is hesitant over this situation Jamie sends him away and tells him not to bother coming near Brianna unless he's prepared to claim her and the baby. He turns up near the end of the book and does so after living rough for some time.