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Same! On the other hand, the line where Oliver says he's at peace while his dream of raising his children with his wife was dying with him made me angry enough as it is. If I remember right, the redacted bit is the moment Oliver says the world needs Barry and Sara. If MG knows people we'll get angry... I can't take it as a good sign 😅

Cherry picking information comes with every fandom. People will only hear what they want to hear if they had already made up their minds about something or someone. I only remember that particular bit of SA's con because it was a big deal when he said it. The hiatus between s4 and s5 was, by far, the worst the arrow fandom has ever been. It was a cesspool of negativity. Both sides were angry at the writers and even more angry at each other. So having that be confirmed by SA, well let's just say we were a little giddy. And petty. No, the writers didn't go in blind and they didn't make a last minute decision. The only ones who didn't know who was gonna be in the grave by the time 409 aired were BC stans (and the skeptics who didn't think they had the guts or the means to fire her). Execs lie to avoid big spoiler leaks and actors have to fall in line if they want to stay in their boss's good graces, which is exactly what happened with SA and the grave storyline.

I've seen it too. I remember he was sitting behind one of those large con tables. Someone was sitting on his left. It might be another guest or the moderator, I don't know. It was definitely after season 4, or after 4x19 aired. The question was something like "is it still true that you didn't know who was in the grave when you shot the episode". Stephen said no. There was some chatter in the room and they moved on to another question.

ah, phase 2 of the grieving process. The part after denial when reddit finds a scapegoat to hate on for 5 consecutive years because their fav character ain't coming back.

Let me pile on the funny. That whole thing started when the mods for DC's subreddit stopped being affiliated with Arrow's subreddit because there was too much negativity after/during season 4. Some fans took it as DCcomics, the company, disowning Arrow, the tv show. I have no opinion on another version of Felicity or Diggle happening in the future because it won't be the same characters, nor story, nor chemistry. They can exist. I'm not against it. Maybe I'll love them, maybe I won't but I won't go in with a preconceived idea of what they should be based on the first version. 99% of the time, Olicity & OTA's popularity didn't ride on the stellar writing but more on the portrayal, like @Featherhat pointed out. I'd be a hypocrite if I say I wouldn't compare both versions but if I don't like the new version, it's easy to stop. Hate watching is stupid.

I always found it hilarious how canon was weaponized by comic purists during fan wars while their own comics introduced thousands of different adaptations of namesake characters. It makes no sense, no matter how you look at it.

The Bones/Castle feud was hilarious and SO TAME compared to fandom wars today. Even the actors and producers chimed in. This is irrelevant to the discussion but your comment brought me back. 😄 This is such a great take that I'm mad I didn't think of this myself. Yeah, I could've seen it happening. Laurel breaking up with Oliver cause she can't handle the fact that William's existence will always be a reminder of Oliver's betrayal... *shudders* This storyline would have been more cut and dried than whatever they did with Oliver and Felicity's (and Thea's!!!) characterizations. Not better, but more on par with their writing. If they had dwelled more into Oliver's PTSD and Felicity's abandonment issues, and made it less about the plot, the break up could have held some emotional weight.

I watched 12 seasons of Bones and although the wait was ridiculously long before the main ship got together, I got as many seasons of build up as I got of them being a regular crime solving couple with marriage, kids and the whole shebang. I remember the moonlighting curse being mentioned a lot by the producers. In the end, they figured that the show kept getting renewed so might as well go for it. As long as the payoff is worth it, I don't mind waiting. It's the incessant break-ups that bother me the most. I ship olicity hard but when they broke up that 1 time, It was enough to annoy me. I wasn't sad, just annoyed. Everyone figured out it was a classic CW stalling tactic the moment they pulled the baby mama ultimatum. Beth is openly saying that it was stalling now that the show is over but you could tell execs weren't even believing in their justification for the break up back when s4-5 aired.

It's interesting how she had already made up her mind about these relationships after reading episode 2. I don't think she ever wavered from her headcanons even when the show went against them, cause I remember her saying it helps her portray the character better. In the end, Tommy died carrying a torch for a woman who didn't reciprocate but the same thing happened to Laurel with Oliver because of Katie. Ironic.

Yup. A lot of people forget how much Oliver hated the green arrow life and wanted it to end. It was taxing physically but mostly psychologically. The writers made him express so many times how much he wanted grab his family wanted to get away from it. Considering everything he's been through because of it, how could the audience not agree with him? It made total sense that he wanted his wife and children away from that life. Superheroes are meant to be the one in a million but if you don't find something that makes them relatable, like the love of family, then all you have is a robot soldier. A part of the audience *coughs*comicsfans *coughs* lose sight of character motivations just so they can enjoy "badass" superheroes/fighters. They didn't like it when he retired in season 3 even though he said that he needed to find himself as a person. They didn't like it when Felicity was the one who wanted to come back because they didn't understand why Oliver needed the break after ra's striped him of the one identity he let himself have. They didn't like it either when he said he wanted to give up the mantle during his trial and then he was thrown in prison for being GA. "While it seems likely Oliver Queen would have wanted to spare his daughter of the need to become a vigilante like him, it seems just as likely that his former allies would want to see Mia trained to handle herself in a fight." See this makes zero sense to me. He acknowledges one character motivation but puts it on equal ground with this theory that Mia would want to train just because. Like it makes sense that everyone would want the vigilante life. Um...no. No one would. No one had to sacrifice more than her father and according to Arrow writers, it doesn't even come with payoff.

Hehe this tells me everything I need to know about this guy's definition of a Strong Woman. Jokes aside, I thought the whole point of earth prime's reset was that there was no crime. Plus there's a difference between learning basic self defense moves, which we don't know that Mia didn't know, and getting extensive archery training and combat training.

I think it was deliberate, although there were a lot of moments where you couldn't tell. But he did an interview during mid season 5, maybe during the 100th ep cast party (can't remember) where he said Oliver was "at peace" but not happy because the only time Oliver was really happy was when he and Felicity were together. I also remember that, at one point, the Oliver criticism was so bad that he had to defend the writing by saying Oliver was meant to be written like he was lost and confused. I call it criticism because it wasn't baseless hate like the one you see for other characters... But his interview confirmed to me that they messed with his character growth just to make the season arc work.

Season 5 managed to make me hate Oliver to the point of apathy (and Oliver was always one of my favorites otherwise I wouldn't have kept watching the show). He frustrated me with so many OOC dumb choices until I stopped caring. I'm ashamed to admit that the episode where he got tortured was the first time that I warmed up to him that season. They wrote Oliver around Chase, not the other way around, so they had him revert back to his season 1 persona but more gullible. As for Chase, I can't speak for everyone but I didn't care about Prometheus as a villain until I saw Josh play the villain. I was way more invested in his performance than the writing. It's also the impression I got online. Plus he came on after the season of magic so everyone can look good in comparison.

I just checked a few and it seems like the source is google. Lol. However all of the numbers can come from different random sites so I wouldn't put too much stock into them. Idk how these things are calculated but I think (?) that net worth isn't the same as the actual paycheck.

The good news is, if they re-write the BDP a third time, they won't waste another episode of Arrow! That's the other DCTV shows' burden now. The only thing I ask for is to rescue William. The fact that they used him as the cliffhanger to the detriment of arrow fans getting closure still makes me mad. If the spinoff happens it won't happen I can see them making his kidnapping a season long mystery, or even half season, just so the execs can find out if the powerpuff girls are capable of carrying the show as a unit or if they have to go for plan B aka FTA (that should've been plan A).

Ben is one of the most eloquent, intelligent and charming actor they ever cast, and that's a rare feet for the cw. It would be a huge miss if they let him go because of contracts. Almost as much of a miss as it would have been if they never called Emily back. But again, it's the CW. It's a whole lot of tell-don't-show when it comes to diversity. I never thought it would be a possibility for the show to be centered around Mia and not have William around when he's the only family she has left. Coming from the same producers who would refuse to kill Thea because Oliver lost all of his family members, even when Willa wanted out, that seemed impossible. That being said, I also don't believe the show will get picked up so this comment might be pointless.

🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃 From the replies and twitter comments, it's so much worse than I expected. I'm not going to listen either. Meanwhile, this is how KC ends racism after her followers pressured her to say something. Paint the hashtag on the wall of your safe and secure million dollar house. In awe of her courage and her strength.

LOL the more you know... I expect him to try to be diplomatic about a matter where diplomacy has no room. He's not going to find the right words until he acknowledges his white privilege and condemns police brutality and racial profiling, no matter the riots or the looting. If he deviates the conversation to property destruction, people will light him up and I will be cheering them on. Considering his islamophobia and his throw away comments about his friend's destroyed store, I doubt he will condemn anything because of 1) his own prejudice and 2) fear of angering his racist white followers. Of course, he chose Grant to guest for this... It's not like Aisha or David Ramsey were right there being vocal about BLM and even attending protests. Both his alleged friends. Imagine a live with David where he could encourage 5+ million followers to donate to bail funds. The arrow fandom has been a pretty powerful tool when it comes to charity

We already know where he stands when it comes to racial profiling if cops are involved. Ahmed Mohamed... I can't give him the benefit of the doubt after he retracted his apology on the Michael Rosenbaum podcast. The best thing he can do is use his platforms with millions of followers to share the links for #BLM petitions and donations. It should have been his first move. Also worth noting that Fanta, Emily's best friend, unfollowed him over his silence.

This is the exact interview I had in mind when I made my comment, thank you @tvecho She didn't get the role because she read for the part. She made a request for an action show and they gave her the arrow script. It isn't necessarily nepotism if contracts were involved but it doesn't scream merit either. On brand for the CW, that part is true.

You're partly right. Here's how I look at this situation. She wasn't officially cast before they hired SA because the lead is traditionally the first casting. However, it's very clear from her interviews that she got the part through an unconventional process - as in she read the script before anyone else, called her agent, used her CW relationship, and had it in the bag before she even read in front of Berlanti & Co.

I don't know if there's a thread for fanart/fics/vids (sorry mods) but here's one edit I found very interesting. It shows how much effort the writers are putting in crafting the barchie storyline. The parallels are everywhere. I was also disappointed by the lack of screentime dedicated to Archie's POV in the episode vs. Betty's, but this makes up for it.

On one hand, I'd rather see filming being postponed, but on the other hand I understand it's impossible because people in the industry need an income, and therefore a job. At this point, wouldn't be less awkward to write the virus in than find excuses for characters not to be in the same vicinity? It's like when pregnant actors have to stand behind furniture.

I absolutely understand where you're coming from. And I agree with some of your points. Right now, the love triangle is Archie/Betty/Jughead. I said that Veronica seems like an afterthought in this storyline, like a crutch Betty used to push Archie further away considering Archie was ready to end it, and even come clean to her right after he kissed Betty. By central love story, I meant that this arc will culminate in Archie/Betty getting together one way or another. It's a matter of when, not if. The writers want you to root for them. I'm seeing a lot of relief on social media about the last scene between Jughead and Betty but I saw it as the beginning of their demise. The decision to go back to investigating mysteries with him is purely driven by guilt and it's not because she chose him over Archie. Case in point, she was done with mysteries before she cheated but she's going back to what is familiar and safe, which is ironically the excuse she used with Archie when she broke it off. The part where I have to disagree is the notion that you can cheat on someone you're still "in love" with. It's a cliché distinction but since it's riverdale, it's important. She considered leaving Jughead for Archie. She considered having sex with Archie during their secret meetings. She's torn between two dudes, one is safe because she already has him and one comes with mess and collateral damage. In the end, the writing told me Betty followed her head while Archie followed his heart. Sidenote... it seems like we all came back for this storyline LOL. I have absolutely no idea, nor care, about what goes on in the main plot since the blackhood mystery in season 2.