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1 minute ago, Castiels Cat said:
It was the definition of reckless. He handed AU Michael the Michael Sword.
This was Dean's tragic fall and the showed h8m close up falling to emphasize thst Dean Winchester has fallen.
There will be blood because of AU Michael.
Then Dean will get a redemption arc.
Just call me Cassandra.
They must not teach literature anymore.
And what exactly would have been the alternative? Leaving the two vicious archangels in their world? Letting Lucifer do what he pleased after having taken Jack's grace and become the most powerful creature on earth? What else could they have possibly done to address that immediate impending nightmare scenario?
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5 minutes ago, Castiels Cat said:
I think they were flying in order for Dean fo fall before Michael took over because Dean offering himself to Michael was a classic heroic tragic fall. He showed bad judgement. Now bad stuff happens. The worst ever Dean move.
Deachael
I completely disagree that Dean's choice was a "tragic hero fall," or that it remotely compares to Sam's Book of the Damned shenanigans in S10. Let's break it down.
Sam actively made the world worse by releasing the Darkness with the BotD. Dean helped to save it by killing a super-charged Lucifer, preemptively saving multitudes of innocents.
The removal of the Mark of Cain resulted in multiple innocent casualties (Suzie, Oskar, Charlie) and only helped one person. Dean's choice directly saved two people (Jack and Sam) and killed no one.
Both archangels had already invaded the world before Dean made his choice. If he hadn't, they'd have two vicious archangels to deal with instead of one. The best was made of a bad situation. Neither Michael nor Lucifer are exactly upstanding, moral people, but at least Michael hasn't been shown to be needlessly sadistic, whiney, or childish. If we had to pick one, I'd go with Michael. And since Dean's the one he's inhabiting, I suspect he'll have a harder time taking over the world than he anticipated.
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2 minutes ago, sarthaz said:
Seriously, who is the fuckwit who approved that freeze-frame? How is it possible that anyone on staff thought that was a good idea?
Ugh, yes. How hard would it have been for Michael to walk right past the camera and briefly flash his eyes blue with a sinister smirk? WTF
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9 minutes ago, devlin said:
Those couple of seconds when Michael took control in the chapel and he looked around and said thanks for suit has me very excited for next season. I can't wait to see what Jensen is going to do with this character. I just hope this isn't another rendition of demon dean and only lasts for three measly episodes.
The only time I find a finale exciting is when the cliffhanger is directly connected to/driven by the two main characters. It seems like a no-brainer, but S12 did the opposite of that and left me rolling my eyes and mostly uninvested. Needless to say, I'm very excited (and apprehensive) for S14, and I sincerely hope they'll learn from Demon Dean's too-short reign this time.
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2 minutes ago, Binns said:
That makes sense. Dean is a tough cookie though. Michael is in for a fight. Michael also seemed to be...I don’t know if remorseful is the right word but he admitted he made mistakes in AW. And the precipitating factor for the apocalypse there was Michael v Lucifer. In our world that apocalypse didn’t happen. Maybe he won’t be quite as much of a dick. Also there’s the angel issue to be sorted out and heaven. There’s a few interesting ways the story could go. Color me happy to see JA spread his wings in a new role.
Ha, I see what you did there...
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6 minutes ago, MysteryGuest said:
Especially when they basically replaced one pain in the ass archangel with another one who's equally annoying.
But like with Gadreel, the human host has to be strong enough to oust the angel. And I'm assuming that at least for now, Michael is keeping Dean pretty well locked down.
Except that this archangel is being played by Jensen Ackles, and I have complete faith in him.
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2 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:
That would be such insane character regression. Back in early Season 5, he wouldn`t say "yes" to Michael, even when Zachariah threatened to kill Sam. Because he knew that you don`t sell the whole world away for one person.
Now he is gonna do just that? Urgh. If he can`t live with Sam dead, he has the very easy option to die himself.
I think if Death herself is looking out for Dean because he's "got work to do," whatever choice he makes must be for a greater purpose than just saving Sam.
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38 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:
Is Billie in this episode for sure. I don't see anything on the spoiler sheet and Matt Cohen is still listed but there was an article that says it wasn't SPN he was filming.
This is why I couldn't get excited. I figured it was going to be about Sam in the end.
Billie did say "see you soon" in 13.19. There's no way we don't see her for the season finale. Whatever "impulsive" fuckery Dean gets up to, he seems to have the backing of Death, so it can't be THAT bad... right?
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At this point, I'm just clutching at the "it's been a long time coming" hint, Billie's definite involvement in what happens with Dean, and her assertion that he "has work to do". That sounds more like Dean fulfilling some necessary cosmic purpose that him potentially dooming the world for Sammy. At the very least, Billie is pushing him toward something, so it's got to be important rather than just cataclysmic for everyone.
1 minute ago, Bobcatkitten said:Maybe the decision is about stopping Michael from taking over our world - not just about saving Sam. Saving everyone. I mean they have seen the havoc Michael has wreaked in the AU.
PLEASE let it be framed that way.
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19 minutes ago, BoxManLocke said:
So Lucifer bullied Michael into insanity ? Was that clearly stated at some point ?
I like to think that Lucifer actually didn't dare touch Michael because he knew he'd get his ass kicked. Maybe Michael retreated into himself to block out his annoying little brother and Lucifer interpreted that as insanity.
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Holy shit, guys. I know we've been speculating about Rowena opening the cage to release Michael, but I haven't heard anyone mention how Billie figures into this. Remember how Death just strolled down into the cage to get Sam's soul out, and how he had the ability to put up walls so he would stay sane? What if Billie is the one who gets Michael out and fixes whatever state he's in? That would take a much shorter run time to accomplish than getting Rowena to do it.
Given Jensen's remark that he hasn't really had a chance to play the character yet (aside from the closing shot, probably), then the Dean that's fighting Lucifer in the church might still be Dean. He gets some sort of power up that is temporary and maybe deadly. When(?) he wins, his body starts to fall apart from the inside. Billie comes along at the moment of his supposed death ("see you again, soon"), with Michael in tow to save his life (and maybe to save the angels in heaven as the "important work" Billie mentioned). Boom, Michael gets his true vessel and he leaves. It all fits!
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7 minutes ago, Res said:
Actually, AU Michael has Gabe's body right in front of him to use as something from the other world. No problem there. The 2nd point might be legit but I still don't think that something to be blamed on Sam and I'm one of those fans that have absolutely no use or faith in him.
I had no problem with him pushing Lucifer away from the portal, either. Mostly because I don't buy Lucifer's redemption for a second, and after all of the terrible shit he's done PERSONALLY to the Winchesters and to the world, this is nowhere close to what he deserves. Ketch's redemption was done better, because he 1. showed remorse and 2. tried to make amends for his past. It's really not hard, yet we're supposed to sympathize with Satan because he cried a tear and looked sad.
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37 minutes ago, SlightlyObsessed said:
But...there are an infinite number of alternate realities (tentacle monster reality, the Bad Place reality. Jack needed a guide to help him find the reality that Mary was lost in). Just because they weren’t born in one alternate reality doesn’t mean they couldn’t exist in any of the other realities.
Yeah, but then the show would turn into something completely different if they keep shoving in alternate versions of existing characters and opening endless portals to endless worlds. I think one universe is more than enough. Helps to keep the stakes a bit more grounded, or as much as they can be. I personally didn't care much for the Apocalypse World to begin with.
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12 minutes ago, SlightlyObsessed said:
Hi. I’m new here, so if this sounds stupid, please forgive me, but does Jensen’s new character really have to have anything to do with Dean/Michael?
This is just a thought but, what if this new character is Alternate Reality BMoL Dean Winchester (think Ketch only more ruthless), sent through a rift from his reality to put an end to whoever or whatever is opening up the portals/rifts that are threatening the stability of...everything?
There's been a lot of little hints given as to the character Jensen will play:
1. It's been a long time coming.
2. It's a character we haven't seen in many years.
3. It involves Dean "stepping up" in some way, so this character is going to directly impact Dean ie. possess him, rather than just be a doppleganger that looks like him.
Only our Michael, not even AUMichael, fits with these hints. Death is a possibility, but a long shot in my opinion. Plus, our Michael's connection with Dean was unceremoniously dropped and never referenced again, so there's material to explore there that actually directly affects one of the main characters.
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5 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:
Sigh, the squirrel vid might be funny but it proves that the scene is gonna look unintentionally silly and comedic. I wanted Dean`s big moment to be at least epic and they had to screw that up with amateur wireworks. Now the scene will be just goofy.
That's my fear as well. I wonder what's going to happen right after they crash into each other. Is it a vicious brawl, or hopping around like monkeys? Pleeeeaaasseeee be the former....
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4 minutes ago, bozodegama said:
I don't know, I kinda love this. Everyone is in one spot, Bobby, Gabriel, Charlie, Ketch etc. I didn't even notice the writing. I'm into this whole ensemble thing. Bring everyone back. My only issue was Gabriel might be dead. They should bring au Crowley back. Now that would be the best. I'm looking forward to the last episode. Whose going to die? Sam? Dean? Bobby? Mary? Charlie? All of them?
I have to agree a bit, seeing all those people together in the bunker was weirdly gratifying. It made me think of season 1, and how it used to just be Sam, Dean, and John hunting one single demon. Things have certainly changed, for better and for worse, but I'm always a sucker for big groups of scrappy, embattered people united and having some down time for once.
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7 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:
We have that shot of "Dean" walking down the street in that suit. Obviously the cliffhanger ending. Would AU!Michael be strolling down some street among randos? I think he would get to his apocalypse, part 2 plans right away. Cage!Michael might just...put on a nice suit and take a walk because of reasons. He was never bent on ruling Earth, maybe just Heaven. And those angels would roll out the welcome mat for any archangel, as we know.
Two things I noticed in the last episode. When Lucifer told Jack about the "family", he talked about Michael. "Studly, warrior type". Seeing as our Michael has not been mentioned in eons, it seemed odd to put it in there. Unless it was a tiny bit foreshadowing.
The other thing, though that could be really random plot contrivance, is when Lucifer shrugged off the handcuffs and said something like "they don`t work on me in this world (or on this side?) Was this meant to imply just something about the cuffs or the AU-world?
Maybe AU!Michael`s presence in our world will trigger something for cage!Michael. Or it weakens AU!Michael somehow. After all, it`s quite possible we haven`t yet had two archangels that were the same occupy the same realm, I got the feeling Gabe was dead already in AU-world, too. Lucifer, we know about.
And maybe just maybe cage!Michael is the one who screams at Dean in the gas station to get the hell out before AU!Michael comes.
There is a shot of a door being blown open in the bunker in the promo. That is either gonna be AU!Michael`s entrance there or cage!Michael comes to save them at that point.
Now the flying is just stupid. Why not fight like Lucifer and AU!Michael fought. Throw little energy balls at each other. Better than flying squirrels. You are not Arrow, show, you can`t pull off wirework stunt scenes.
I also wonder (but highly doubt) if they're going to address the fact that Michael vs. Lucifer would scorch half the planet. There's a thin justification in the AU that AUMichael just wanted to disarm Lucifer rather than kill him, but would it have been so difficult to have the ground rumbling, rocks flying while they were duking it out? Same with Gabriel and Lucifer versus AUMichael in the latest episode. I do think that AUMichael's actor sells his formidable strength and deadliness, but the environment doesn't quite back him up.
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10 minutes ago, catrox14 said:
I actually kind of laughed when Sam was attacked because it wasn't scary**. It looked stupid IMO because I legit thought it looked like water coming out of Sam, not blood. I thought it was a bad stunt, badly performed. I found it absurd that Sam would be taken out by two vampires who were much smaller than him. It was ridiculous. Even Dean's reaction didn't get to get to me. Dean's shock when Cas told him there was no hope got to me. And I also knew Sam wasn't going to stay dead. And since I predicted back when the "True Face" thing came up a few eps ago, I wasn't the least bit surprised that Lucifer resurrected him.
The biggest surprise to me was Dean not fighting harder with Cas about Sam's status. That's it.
** I wasn't laughing like HAHA this is funny but more like this looks ridiculous and it's not scary. No, I wasn't laughing that Sam got attacked. If the scene were staged the same way with Dean or Cas being attacked in the same manner I would have the same complaints and it wouldn't be scary.
It was pretty contrived for Sam to get taken down by two vampires. Made him look like a bit of a chump, and reminds me of all the plot and character stupidity required to get Charlie killed off. I heavily disliked her, but even I got angry at the ridiculous situation that played out to get to that end point.
What really stood out to me about Sam's death was Dean turning mute. I don't recall him ever reacting like that before, and it was very effective for him to stay silent and let that Single Man Tear/OPT do all the talking. The flashback of Sam's death to explain Dean's emotions was completely unnecessary, though. The editing doing what it does, as always...
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In regards to the sneak peek....
I'm sure that Mary will be proven right in her self-imposed heroic duty and the boys will be framed as needy and unable to let her be her super duper awesome self. *barf*
Seems like Mary throws herself at anything that will keep her a long distance away from her sons. She'd rather stay in a hellish apocalyptic world, fighting someone else's war, than see her own family ever again. It's the kind of unfeeling choice a cold, logical robot would make, not a sympathetic/loving human. It's not like the resistance's strength relies on her, anyway.
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9 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:
Oy, I hate that Dean got the "we need you" line because it is such an easy thing to shoot down and props Mary`s stance. Not looking forward to this part.
And she is even right, they don`t need her for shit. Seriously, she brings them nothing valuable or positive. I hope they and especially Dean finally gets that and moves on.
At least the Au-world can use her as an able-bodied fighter.
And Lucifer gave them an exact estimate, based on his dribbled out grace of "31 hours". I guess those will run out just the episode closes. Though now I`m not sure if every spec was off and people WILL make it back to our world. Including possibly AU!Michael.
Moved to bitter spoilers.
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Fkin' Mary....
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5 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:
From the episode thread:
Nowhere was this a higher crime than in Regarding Dean. Breaking up Dean's mirror scene should've been a fire-able offense, IMO.
Yeah, it totally kills what should have been a long, uncomfortable single take on Dean's crumbling mind. It also reminds me of 7x13 when Dean's first sex scene in forever was cut in between some poor guy getting tossed into a wall and getting his hands and feet cut off in spectacular gory fashion. What exactly were we supposed to take away from those two tonally opposite scenes being smashed together besides whiplash? Or is it punishment for daring to enjoy the eye candy?
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2 minutes ago, BlueSapphire said:
Well, this is the Unpopular Opinion thread, is it not?
Given that it's a discussion, too, elaboration on why you have that opinion may open up it up for conversation a bit better. Your opinion was brief and blunt, so I matched it in my response, that's all.
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54 minutes ago, DeeDee79 said:
I agree that Red Meat and Just My Imagination aren't ones that I rewatch. I did love Into the Mystic and I'd also add Plush for an entertaining standalone.
I wish they'd stuck with the creepy giant rabbit head all the way through! It was simultaneously terrifying and hilarious. The genuine creep factor was what made the episode stand out to me, then that all went away when the rabbit head did. I always love myself some Donna, though. She's strong without being abrasive or arrogant, and bonus, she genuinely laughs at Dean's jokes.
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S13.E23: Let the Good Times Roll
in Supernatural
People may die because of it, but how many more would have died with souped-up Lucifer on the loose? I still don't understand how anything else could have possibly been done.