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This might be the most betrayed I have ever felt by a television show.
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On 3/24/2019 at 3:55 AM, pootlus said:
I probably sound like a prude but I'd be really embarrassed listening to someone reading out all those sex scenes, otherwise I'd get them in a heartbeat.
I FF through them. There's something cringey about hearing them read out loud.
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2 hours ago, NicoleMN6 said:
Just watched this episode, and I'm having the same reaction I did when reading the book: Why does Jamie owe Laoghaire anything at all? He could have had her thrown into jail for shooting him with a banned weapon! Sure, Jamie wants to make sure the girls are cared for, but Marsali isn't there anymore and Joan is just one mouth to feed. Plus, Laoghaire couldn't downsize or remarry if her two deceased husbands didn't leave her with enough to live on? What would she have done if Jamie had never married her in the first place?
I thought Ned was a better lawyer than that.
Ned was Laoghaire's lawyer.
But just besides that Jamie taking back up with Claire was a HUGE humiliation for her. She was a laughing stock. Remember that Jamie takes vows he makes very seriously and he did make vows to her, even if they are legally beside the point when Claire returns. There is way Jamie would not have compensated her for that.
As for what she would have done if she hadn't married Jamie - well, Jenny would probably have hooked her up with someone else. Jenny was quite the neighborhood matchmaker.
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4 hours ago, Kimberley123 said:
Is it possible to pick up the books from where the tv series left off? I must admit I’m on book 2 in Paris and finding it quite a struggle to get through since I know literally everything that’s happening already. Will I be lost if I go straight to the fiery cross?
Thanks 🙂
You won't be terribly lost - the major pieces are all there but you'll miss out on a lot of really nice moments by skipping. The books have the luxury of time that show doesn't have and there are a lot of things in the show that just zip on by that are a lot more affecting on the page. Personally, I love the modern-day bits in the Dragonfly and I love most of Voyager (it's my favorite of all the books.) The Scooby Gang's search for Jamie through history is fascinating in the books.
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22 hours ago, AuntieMame said:
Oh poor Q and Elliot in their love scene. It was brilliant though. This show gets complex emotions right. It even manages to look at the intersection of individual emotion and socially conditioned behavior. All while being entertaining and funny. The Magicians is setting the writing bar higher than it knows.
I wanted Shoshana to stay longer too. I hated it that she sacrificed herself. And I loved that we had an actress that wasn’t skeletal. Speaking of which, it looks like Julia only weighs about 85 pounds. Seriously, do we really want to normalize our eye so that a normal grown woman weighs less than a twelve year old? I like pretty, I do, but I know we could like pretty that was a little more normal in terms of size.
I know normal women who are just naturally tiny. Body-shaming people for being thin is as obnoxious as body-shaming them for being fat.
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On 2/21/2019 at 10:30 AM, festivus said:
Oh and I'm glad Iris is dead just because whenever they said her name I would think of Irene and it was confusing me dammit.
And this is why we have Margot instead of Janet. 🙂
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9 hours ago, steelyis said:
and every rapist they've shown so far has been one-note and irredeemable.
I'm okay with that.
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5 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:
Thank you! You’re right. Duh-Ships don’t sail in the winter and Bree would’ve been extremely close to her due date trying to make that journey.
I did recall that in the show we didn’t yet know about the stones in mainland colonies (Claire knew about the ones in Jamaica but same scenario).
Yes, I think they also discussed Jamaica, too. In their place, I would be really leery of going through unfamiliar portals. Were they stones or was it a pool of water in a cave? I speed-read through that part of the book because it's both creepy and maddening.
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23 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:
I had a thought that may be moot, because if it happened we wouldn’t have much a plot line.....
Why did no one suggest a newly pregnant Bree go back through the stones alone, while Claire & Co go searching for Roger. If they found Roger alive they could rescue him and send him home (to be with Bree or not, his choice). If Roger had died on the journey etc Bree would still be back in the 20th century. A far better place to be a single mother.
Was this never suggested because Diana wanted her characters in the past?
Are you talking about the book or the show? Because in the book, they discussed that very thing but ruled it out because of timing. They didn't know yet about the stones in America so Bree would have had to sail back to Scotland, find her way to the stones and go through. Ships don't sail in winter. By the time she got a ship and got over to Scotland, she would either be cutting it super close or it would be too late, I don't exactly remember.
So it's not like DG completely glossed over the possibility. The idea was considered and then rejected.
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5 minutes ago, fishpan said:
Really? Nothing to do with Jamie?
Really. Why is that so hard to believe? I should know how I feel about the characters and I think Jamie acts like an ass on multiple occasions during these... events. I'm not one of the people that buys into that King of Men schtick.
I'm sorry that I (and countless others) disagree with you (and countless others) on how Roger's character comes off in the show but there it is. We're just going to have to agree to disagree. No one is going to change anyone's mind.
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13 minutes ago, fishpan said:
-one comes out clean in that situation and Roger may come off pathetic to you because you don't want Jamie to look bad because when you unpack things Jamie's actions with Roger cost Bree her shot on going backbecause if Jamie hadn't beaten Roger then Roger and Bree would have had met at Fraser's Ridge and decided if they were to be together and even if they hadn't they had time to get Bree back to the 20th century. But Jamie beat a man half to death without the man in question knowing why and kept quiet about it. Jamie cost Bree her shot at going home and when he found out his mistake he slut shamed her infront of her mother those actions are on Jamie, not because Roger not being a manly 18th century man.
Um, no. My feelings about Roger's portrayal have nothing to do with Jamie. This isn't a zero sum game - there is plenty of blame to go around during the Great Misunderstanding and Jamie deserves all that he gets. Honestly, this wasn't really a good look for any of them, not even Claire.
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4 hours ago, Nidratime said:
On one of the episode threads, I know I addressed some of these notions that Roger appears weak and incapable. I don't agree.
Just the idea that he risked going through the stones to follow Bree showed that he had gumption and daring. In the book, we know that he had problems going through them "cleanly," unlike Claire and Bree. However, he tries more than once. Furthermore, he stands up to Steven Bonnet on the Gloriana, despite the fact Bonnet could've easily killed him, with no interference from his men, managing to save Morag and her child. When he does fall back into Bonnet's clutches, he is threatened and likely would be overpowered if he refused to complete his "contract". Later, when he ends up sold to the Mohawk, he manages to escape during the journey, despite being in pretty bad shape. His hesitation in going through the stones, further illustrates the commitment he feels to Bree and his desire to see her safe in her own time. But for me, one of the bravest things he did was not only escaping the Mohawk *again* but deciding to return to help a fellow captive, knowing the odds were going to be completely against him. For a man who is ill-equipped for the 18th century, he manages to navigate the past, stay alive, and even risk himself for others. No, he's not a Highland warrior, but even some of the men from the 18th century who spend more time in America's colonial towns and cities at dining tables, ballrooms, and plays would have similar trouble keeping their head above water in similar situations.
You're giving him a break because you know Roger from the books. But the fact that so many non-book readers think that Roger is weak and helpless means that the show has failed in its portrayal of him. Roger is extremely unpopular out there in the world. If the only Roger I knew was from the show I wouldn't be all that impressed with him, either. Yeah, he makes a couple of brave decisions but overall, he really does seem kinda pathetic.
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So these threads are no longer labeled with their book talk status. Or am I missing something?
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2 hours ago, fishpan said:
They've played up Roger's singing in the show too much for them not have the hanging in the show. Though I think they'll change the primary cause of it, even if he does bump into Morag and her Jem again, to make it more about the politics of regulators and militia. Then they could have Roger cop it as he tries to either prove himself or due to Jamie not having his back completely because Jamie doesn't think Roger is capable.
As for the differences between Roger in the book and show - suppose they actually want to show us him growing into a badass who can cope in the 18th century while being the one hit with the biggest culture clash out of Claire, Bree and him as his plan. I say that seeing how a lot of Claire's foibles at first could be dismissed by the Mackenzies' due to the' fact she is a woman and English then because she is Jamie's wife. Bree gets a pass with her parents because she is their child. Roger should experience something different. It is in shown in part in the books as Jocasta telling him that she's leaving River Run to Jemmy instead of Bree as he is basically penniless and no-one can really vouch for him, (something no one complains to Claire about once she is married to Jamie considering everyone else has designs on Lallybroch). But Roger is a Scot, living with Scots and he can't really fight, shoot, farm, butcher meat or basically do a lot of the tasks that men in that time, men like Jamie and even Fergus would have done since a young age.
Also in the books he has no idea if he killed the mohawk in the village, he supposes he did but he doesn't actually remember the details. But in the show he knows he killed Alexander and by doing so a woman also killed herself. I guess that is why in the show he is still sitting in the long house, depressed and no longer trying to save himself because that would be Roger's first kills. Even if the first was out of mercy and the second was not directly his fault it has to screw with his head more than it the killing in the book did.
Though Roger becoming a minister is something I wonder if they will do. They haven't played up faith on the show as much as the books
Well, the show did turn him into a prudish, slut-shaming asshole, so maybe that's what they were going for.
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20 hours ago, iMonrey said:
I do enjoy these recaps but this one raises an interesting question. Since Murtagh is dead in the books, how does this book end?
A lot of people answered that question in the comments, but tread warily if you are sensitive because the comments are very critical of almost everything except Murtagh & Jocasta.
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9 hours ago, shelen said:
With the letter from Tryon dated 4 June, 1770, and Brianna saying Little No Name is two months old (born early April), and the Frasers having made it to New York state and back in 7-8 months, would they not have gone through a cold, snowy winter? It seems as if it was perpetually autumn most of the year.
The producers said that they were basically going to ignore weather. It's a variable they can't control and they will never get NC weather in Scotland anyway so they didn't even try. But excellent point!
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54 minutes ago, BigBeagle said:
I liked how Roger and Brie embraced like "two humans who have chemistry." Damning with faint praise, indeed.
On the subject of the couple's mad dash into each other arms, may I just say how impressed I was with Sophie Skelton's running skills? She was picking 'em up and putting them down like she was competing in the 100-meter dash ... in a Colonial-era dress.
And her shoes were probably weird, too. Were they making left and right-shaped shoes yet in 1770? I would have tripped over a petticoat and gone sprawling.
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2 hours ago, terrymct said:
I'm not certain if it's been mentioned before, but the folks at Go Fug Yourself (mostly a fashion blog) have been doing some funny and good recaps of Outlander. Here's the one for this episode: https://www.gofugyourself.com/outlander-finale-recap-the-ballad-of-murcasta-01-2019
"Microwaved Bee Gee" cracked me up.
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13 hours ago, Ziggy said:
Not really “down the line.” Duncan and Jocasta planned to marry at the gathering that the Frasers are traveling to at the end of Drums.
Well, considering that the stupid gathering lasts forever, it still seems "down the line." But my point stands. We were expecting maybe marriage, but not really a proper love affair. Now that it looks like we might have a proper love affair, I'm tickled by it.
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36 minutes ago, Ziggy said:
If you watch Outlander on demand, at the end of every episode is a short segment called "Inside the World of Outlander," where Maril Davis, Toni Graphia and Matthew B. Roberts discuss the episode. In this week's segment, Toni said that this "will come out of nowhere for people because in the books Murtagh is dead."
I realize the writers are too busy to read message boards, but I just found that to be very much out of touch. There have been many, many speculations that those two characters would get together.
People were prepared for him to marry her down the line, not hook up with her out of the blue. Although, there has been chemistry between them every time they met this season so there was definitely groundwork laid.
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53 minutes ago, terrymct said:
Her work is absolutely gorgeous. I'm glad she's going for continuity but my comments stand. Yep, haul some things over from Scotland but where those trunks full of Claire and Bri's wardrobes or maybe some things that might be useful in the New World? It's really just an aspect of the fantasy of the show. We're supposed to dream of ourselves in those same outfits, imagining how awesome it'd be to be standing on Frasier's Ridge next to Jamie and dressed in such a lovely way.
They were specifically clothes. Ian mentions to Brianna that there are trunks of clothes that she can wear and have. I mean, yes, it's a fantasy show, but a lot of thought was given to working out and/or showing how it is feasible that they dress the way that they do.
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14 hours ago, Nidratime said:
And isn't it kind of refreshing to find a person who traveled to the past who doesn't want to stay there? (Which is what every viewer has said they would want to do, i.e., not stay!) Claire wanted to stay, Geillis wanted to stay, Otter Tooth, apparently, wanted to stay, and Brianna has shown no desire one way or the other.
Claire didn't want to stay at first - she caused a lot of trouble in season 1 for everyone by trying to get home. But Geillis and Otter Tooth came on purpose and the first time, Claire did not.
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16 minutes ago, terrymct said:
And yet....Claire and Bri usually dress as if they have access to a neighborhood dry cleaner. It's really convenient that they're able to find people to pay for their wardrobes wherever they go...or managed to have beautiful textiles way out in the backwoods.
The costume designer, Terry Dresbach, has done a lot of posting on Twitter about this. Believe it or not, all of these things are thought through and if you pay close attention, you can see it happening. Lots of the clothes are remade from things shipped with Bree from Lallybroch. Bree's hooded fur-trimmed coat was worn by Claire in the first season and was stored at Lallybroch. Bree also wears one of Claire's season one dresses. The show has made a point to show trunks being loaded on the ship with Bree and textiles on wagons going from Wilmington to the Ridge.
Jamie's black suit is the one he wore to Versailles in season 2. If you look closely you can see that it's been patched and darned over the years.
Also, Terry requested that the writers provide a seamstress and so Marsali is a seamstress.
If this is something you're actually interested in, look her up on Twitter:
Outlander Costume@OutlanderCostum
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1 minute ago, domina89 said:
This. I've tried to care about Roger and Bree. I really have. I. Just. Don't. I was more moved by the priest and his self-immolating lover than the reuniting of Roger & Bree. That's pretty sad.
I'm reading each book ahead of the season so I'm glad to know it will be a while before they give Roger and Bree the heavy lifting on the show. Maybe they can spend some time together outside of work and try to develop some kind of chemistry. I guess it is too much to hope for that they will just bite the bullet and recast SS this late in the series.
The weird thing is that they actually have chemistry outside of work. In interviews and things, they're both adorable.
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S04.E10: The Deep Heart's Core
in Outlander
I guess GRRM stole it from Diana Gabaldon.