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I don't think Megan's speech was her trying to tell Owen to dump Amelia. It was more a speech about letting yourself be happy and grasping on to any small amount of happiness you find because life is short. Owen was the one who came to the conclusion that for him that meant separating from Amelia (which was the first sound decision he's made in seasons imo). I'm more upset that her speech/the writing seemed to be trying to normalize cheating as some thing that "just happens" because people are "flawed". I get that it does happen, but this show makes it seem like every one cheats on their SO's and they hardly ever deal with it. They just try to normalize it and brush it under the rug. Cheating isn't normal, it's a big deal!

He didn't actually break up with her because she said she wanted to take time off to raise her kids though, he broke up with her because she wasn't Cristina. Cristina came to Owen's trailer drunk and they ended up sleeping together, and then Owen broke it off with Emma. No matter how happy they looked, Owen was obviously still in love with Cristina and having her right in front of him in the same hospital made it impossible for him to fully let himself move on. It a big part of the reason Cristina decided to leave and go to Switzerland, to finally let Owen move on and "be happy" (which is ironic because he's been pretty much depressed ever since). It is frustrating that he essentially sabotaged that seemingly "perfect" relationship to be with Cristina when he knows they don't work, but you can't help who you love I guess.

I'm not saying one should always take precedence over the other, but that's kind of my point. It seemed like Mer and Cristina's friendship was always thought of as more important in their lives and that's gotta make their spouses feel shitty. Owen brought it up in his and Cristina's marriage counselling sessions that he felt like second place to Mer, and I totally understood and agreed with what he was saying. That was when Cristina finally got some sense and told Mer that Owen needs to come first in her life sometimes! But I agree that Meredith was way worse for it. One time that really ticked me off was after the plane crash when Derek injured his hand and couldn't operate and his best friend (Mark) had just died, Mer decides to go get on a plane and visit Cristina in Minnesota because she "might be lonely". That's just crazy!! Yes! Another example of this was the whole abortion thing. Cristina confided in Meredith about not wanting to be a mother way more than she did with Owen. All those conversations she had with Mer she should have been having with Owen, instead of just yelling no at him every time it came up. Then Meredith is the one to tell Owen that Cristina needed him to go with her to the abortion, that should be a private matter between husband and wife. The best friend's feelings shouldn't be involved.

Great...yet another repeat of Cristina and Owen's storylines

As for the rest of the episode, I called Megan and Riggs leaving together during the premiere, but I don't really know how I feel about it. On one hand I didn't really care about Riggs/Mer because he was such a poorly developed character who seemed to have no personality whatsoever, but I also was just starting to like him and I thought he had a good dynamic with Owen and a potential friend for April. I can't believe he was written off so quickly. He didn't even get a goodbye scene with either of them! But the final scene with him and Megan and Farouk on the beach was so beautiful, so I am glad they got a happy ending. I hope Megan can come back and guest star every now and then, because I really liked her dynamic with both Owen and Meredith. Decent episode, nothing spectacular. But thank god for Owen finally breaking it off with Amelia. Those two were such an odd, awkward couple with really nothing in common. I mean they "dated", got married, and got divorced without once saying I love you to each other. Just bad writing. I hope the writers have the good sense to stick this out and not have them "slowly fall back in love" with this new and improved Amelia. That would just be too soapy for me.

I didn't get that at all. I don't think Owen was intentionally being a controlling ass, I think he just did want his sister to move so far away after being gone for 10 years. I actually really felt for Owen in this regard. I mean the man literally thought she was dead for a decade, of course he isn't going to be thrilled about her moving away right as soon as she got back. I can understand thinking he was being controlling if it was a normal situation, but the guy just missed his sister! I actually think this was a great episode for revealing why Owen acts in such a stubborn, rigid way sometimes. I hope that his conversation with Megan will allow him to finally let himself be happy in one way or another. I also had this thought while watching. Especially with Megan's whole speech to Owen about "letting go of his perfect idea of life" I thought maybe that was a sign he would just forgo kids and his "perfect life" completely and go to find Cristina. His character always seemed happiest when they were together, and I think they probably would've worked long term if it weren't for the kid thing and he could just loosen up a bit. Let's be real, Owen hasn't had an engaging storyline since Cristina left the show. Ha! I don't know what it is about the actress but she always looks just a little bit psycho ;)

Oh my god thank you! Some one that finally agrees with me about Mer and Cristina! Everyone always goes so crazy over their friendship but after like season 5/6 it just became unhealthy! I felt bad for Derek and Owen because the girls always seemed to put their friendship before their respective relationships and it started to get so tired. I think it was in season 8 when Cristina finally told Meredith that Owen was her person too, I cheered. Like finally someone has some sense! You can have a best friend but sometimes you have to prioritize your husband/family first!

Ugh, yes! The resolution to that whole storyline bugged me to no end and its the first thing that put me off of Jo and Jo/Alex together.

Yes, Owen is on the boat with the guys and he seems pretty carefree and relaxed, so I can't imagine his sister just died. I for one am happy because Owen has been through enough crap, he doesn't need that too. I'm still leaning towards Riggs going off into the sunset (desert?) with Megan and her kid. Haha I don't think it was ever actually said on the show, but I've seen quite a few fans refer to to the original 5 as MAGIC (Mer, Alex, George, Izzie, Cristina). Its just tedious typing out everyone's names all the time :P I'll be kinda bummed if Riggs is being written out. Not because I particularly liked him and Meredith, but I was just beginning to like his character (now that the writers have decided to give him one). It's a toss up for me with Owen because I really used to like his character, and like you said it seems like the guys are just dropping like flies on this show, but they really haven't done anything with him since Cristina left. It seems like the writers are out of ideas for him and they are just botching his character as a result. His entire storyline with Amelia has been awful and now they're kind of stuck with it unfortunately. It sucks because there was actually potential to write a single dad storyline for him if he just chose to adopt a kid by himself!

Bailey was not chief resident at the beginning of the show, that storyline happened in season 2 or 3. Originally Callie got it but she was so bad that Bailey ended up doing the job anyways. I believe that the original 5 (MAGIC) were just assigned to Bailey as like a mentor type thing, so she had some kind of authority over them. I think all residents have interns assigned to them whether they are chief resident or not. When the original 5 became residents in seasons 4/5 they had Lexie's class as interns. I remember because Cristina gave them numbers instead of names lol.

Oh yes I remember that episode as well, it was really good. You should totally watch/re-watch this episode. It's called "Where the boys are", S3 E7. Burke, Derek, Webber, Alex, George and Joe the bartender all go camping and it is a riot! Great episode.

I am seriously excited that the guys are getting their own storylines again. For the last couple of years it has felt like the male characters were just props for the females and they never had anything to do outside of their relationships which really limited the writing. I hope this episode is reminiscent of the fishing trip the guys went on in season 3 with Burke and Derek. That was a great episode!

I actually think a couple of them wouldn't be so bad as new characters. The blond chick you mentioned that "hated her peers" reminded me of early seasons Cristina a bit, the cocky one on his phone that said GS was his second choice gave me Alex vibes, and I find glasses to be kind of adorable and funny. Also the guy that talked about serving overseas would connect with Owen. Ha! That would have made the whole episode even more fantastic. I was kind of waiting for something like that to happen too because its Grey's and everything that could go wrong usually does. Oh my god YES! I just don't understand what they see in each other? It feels like the characters were just forced together so Owen would have something to do post-Cristina but the actors have never had any romantic chemistry. And it is especially obvious because he and Sandra Oh had an insane amount of chemistry, so Owen and Amelia just pale in comparison. At first they seemed more like friends but now I wouldn't even go that far. They spent almost all last season ignoring each other and most of this season as well so far. Its just all anguish and no emotional pay-off at all! They are both just so much more likeable when they are apart...

Pleaaaase! That would make me so happy. I freaking love him already, he's so much better than Amelia! No they were pretty much all awful. I didn't mind the one blonde chic with the "attitude" because she reminded me a bit of Cristina and Glasses is funny, but the rest can GTFO. I'm so tired of shows portraying millennials as these vapid, technology-obsessed narcissists... Glad I wasn't the only one that noticed that. From the interactions these 2 have had so far this season, they already have better chemistry than Owen and Amelia. And Greg German's character asked him about sleeping with his teacher for "extra credit". Possible foreshadowing maybe?? This episode was really good except for Owen and Amelia. The end scene was just so random and out of the blue. Owen wasn't with Amelia almost all episode, through her surgery or her recovery, then all of a sudden he shows up at the end of the episode begging her to come home? And I also hate that he is essentially trying to just push everything that happened between them under the rug. I don't care if she had a tumor, he should be at least a little bit pissed at her still! I mean he was *this close* to breaking up with her like a day ago. Him begging her to love him after all the crap she put him through makes him look desperate as hell imo. I actually agreed with Amelia (for the first time in a while) that they should spend some time apart and evaluate what this all means (aka break up because they finally realize they are horrible together). The amount of time they spent apart in this episode really bugged me. If they are setting them up to be together again, they are doing a horrible job of it because these two are the worst married couple I've ever seen. I know many people didn't like Owen with Cristina, but at least they actually seemed in love with each other. These two don't even seem to like each other, nevermind love. I just wish they'd break up already, they have no chemistry and fighting for this relationship is not worth it!

Me too! Even though I hated the new interns in season 9 (other than Brooks, gone too soon!) she was the only one I grew to actually like after the whole BS storyline with Jackson. She was actually a decent character that was driven to learn and not always caught up in stupid drama. If the writers had actually given her more to do, she could've been a really great character, plus Jerika Hinton was an awesome actress. Her final episode showed the actress's and character's potential.

The episode summary for 14x04 says something along the lines of "Jackson receives big news", maybe since he's technically next of kin (since I think they said Katharine is only an Avery by marriage) Jackson gets control of the whole foundation!

Yes I totally agree that it is way past too late for redemption for Amelia's character (at least for me personally, and probably for most people that haven't seen PP). The writers can try and re=write the character all they want, but they can't erase my memories of her horrid behaviour these last few seasons... Huh I never thought about the writing. I don't think she's necessarily given any worse writing than others on this show (other than the whole running away plot which was just stupid). As far as monologues go, I think everyone has gotten long monologues since the beginning of this show, but you're totally right that her superhero crap was super obnoxious. I think her character is written to be overly obnoxious, even in PP, but maybe that's the problem is that the actress's smug portrayal makes Amelia even more unlikeable. I just find she overacts in a lot of her emotional scenes. Like every time she shows extreme emotion, whether she is crying or yelling at someone it's always so OTT. It's really grating to watch. Yes! He was my favourite character in this episode! He was all business and not afraid to tell Amelia what she needed to hear. I wish we could keep him, he reminded me of House a bit! As for the "brilliant surgeons" thing, this is something that has bugged me for quite a while and [art of the reason I've had trouble warming up to many of these new characters. When people like Maggie and Amelia were introduced, there was a lot of time dedicated to telling us how brilliant these surgeons were, but because this show doesn't seem to focus on medicine as much anymore, they really haven't shown us that these characters are brilliant doctors. At the beginning of the show, the attendings were still known as brilliant surgeons, but we were constantly being shown why they were so brilliant. Characters like Derek, Addison, Burke and Mark were constantly doing risky, cutting edge surgeries so it was believable that they were top notch, sought-after doctors. And we got to watch the original interns (Mer, Alex, Cristina etc) grow into amazing surgeons as well, so we believe that they are good doctors as well. Obviously there must be a reason Grey-Sloan attracts amazing doctors, but the problem is that we are only being told that these new characters are "brilliant" rather than shown, which makes it harder to believe.

Just curious because I've always had a hard time liking Amelia (even on PP) and always thought it might have something to do with the actress but I couldn't quite put my finger on it, why do you not like Caterina's portrayal of Amelia? I always see people raving about how great an actress she is and I just...don't see it? And I totally agree that any episode that is Amelia-centric for me is a definite no. Part of the reason I'm kinda glad they are rushing through this tumor so we don't have an entire half a season focused on her! Not quite sold on Amelia yet, but I agree 100%. Both characters are so much more likable when they aren't together. They really bring out the worst in each other. If this cop-out tumor storyline gives us one thing I hope its an Owen/Amelia breakup. I always thought that "superhero pose" thing Amelia does is super cringey and OTT. And of course they are incorporating it into next episode via the promo...

Omg yes I agree with everything. Except I'm not sure about Callie and Owen, I can see how they would've worked on paper but I remember they were super awkward in that "what if" episode when they were supposedly married. But who knows maybe it would've worked? I also hate that they've made Owen completely depressed. As much as I know people here didn't like Cristina and Owen's relationship, she really made him a happier character. I feel like he hasn't actually smiled since she left! I get that Kevin Mckidd is awesome at the really emotional/sad scenes, but it gets very tiring to watch him always be so broody and depressed. I just want the poor guy to be happy for once

I mean, a good time for her to tell him the reason she's been acting off would have been during that "maybe you need some help" conversation, but instead she decided to jump down Owen's throat, as she usually does when anyone confronts her with anything... Also I totally get what your saying about her not wanting to rain on their parade with her sadness about Derek, but again it wouldn't have killed her or them if she just put on a smile and stopped in for 30 seconds to say hello before telling them she had to go back to work. I'm sure Owen's family would have understood, but instead she just didn't show up at all. How in the world has he pressured Amelia at all during their relationship. Its not even comparable to when he was with Cristina (which I don't even think he pressured Cristina as much as everyone likes to blame him for), but he has been extremely patient with Amelia and her running away nonsense. Maybe she felt pressure because she knew how much Owen wants kids, but in that case she should be feeling that pressure as she brought it upon herself. They very clearly had that conversation before they got married and she's the one who flipped the switch without warning. Absolutely agree with your last statement, which makes this storyline even more frustrating to watch because it seems like there is no point in them fighting for this relationship. They barely even interact, its like they don't even like each other, never mind love. I understand Amelia being mad at Meredith for not letting her say goodbye, but it just got to be too much. Like we get it you're angry, I don't need to see you screaming at someone for the millionth time... Being supportive of Owen for a few hours when he was having a mental breakdown doesn't suddenly make her a supportive wife. And like I said, I get that she's still hurting over Derek but put on a fake smile and say high to your long lost sister-in-law. Its not like a 30 second hi and bye would've killed her! Agree with all of this. Everything always has to be all about Amelia all the time *eyeroll* Yeah it seems like people want to blame Owen for every little thing. I agree that he wasn't trying to be malicious at all, he was expressing genuine concern for her. I think the intervention from Owen's family was actually necessary in order to make Owen wake the hell up and realize that "hey, my wife been acting really strange and treating me like crap". You guys are totally twisting his words making it sound like he went in the room and accused her of being a psycho and that she needs mental help. That's not what he said at all! He said that "his family isn't seeing the amazing person I know you are, and that concerns me" and then he suggested she get some help (which again was probably the best suggestion anyone has ever given Amelia, cause she definitely needs some damn therapy). And instead of acting like any normal human being and responding with why she feels messed up and why she's been absent (perfect time to tell him what she was feeling about Derek) she decides to be typical Amelia and snap at him, pretty much ending their marriage and telling him to go get with Teddy. Owen wasn't attacking her in any way, the poor guy was just trying to help!

But again, she explained those feeling to Deluca instead of Owen. She did the same thing with the baby situation explaining things to Alex instead of Owen. For some reason, she refuses to communicate with her husband and it is extremely frustrating to watch. Instead she chooses to jump down his throat when he simply suggests she may need help (which is exactly what she needs as she is clearly not over the loss of her brother). Also, while her feelings about missing Derek are completely valid, I think as a wife she should be a little more understanding/empathetic towards her husband. He just found out his sister is alive after 10 years, that's huge! I'm sure he's not thinking about Amelia or Derek at the moment, so she could at least try to be a little bit happy for him and not just disappear! Amelia is just a very grating character. Idk about always being supportive of Meredith, because she spent most of season 11 and 12 yelling at her even though Mer had just lost her husband (something Amelia should be a bit more understanding of considering her past). What annoys me about her the most is that she never takes responsibility for her crappy behaviour, its always someone else's fault. And now they've given her this brain tumor so she has one more excuse for the way she's been acting instead of admitting that she is psychologically damaged and needs major therapy. She acts very childishly and she always seems to be yelling at someone! Also I think her and Owen are awful together and bring out the worst in each other.

That's the worst part of this whole tumor thing. Owen is going to get sucked into this BS storyline now too. It's still kinda weird that she never once throughout the day at least came to check-in on them. I know my family would be raising questions too. Especially because Megan's never even met Amelia before, you'd think she would want to make a good first impression? And its not that her changing her mind about wanting a baby is what makes her a bad person, its running away from home for months and then coming back to work while completely ignoring your husband and refusing to talk about your issues that makes her a shitty person.

Me neither. Ever since the What/If episode where Meredith and Alex were "together", the thought of them having romantic and/or sexual scenes grosses me out...I just can't see them having any kind of sexual chemistry. I for one hope Mer stays single and focuses on doing badass, groundbreaking surgeries!

Let's be honest, Grey's hasn't been a medical drama for the last few seasons. However I am cautiously optimistic that the medicine may come back this season. Even so, this show has always been about medicine and inappropriate, unhealthy, screwed up relationships, that's what makes it compelling. Unfortunately they've recently been writing the relationships as even more screwed-up than usual, which is when it goes from compelling to irritating. Actually Bailey and Ben are one of my favourite couples right now! She could have ghost chats with her dead brother and father, ghost sex with her dead ex-boyfriend, and hold her ghost baby!!

So did anyone else notice that Martin Henderson was not around for the 300th episode celebration cast pictures that everyone was posting? Anyone else thing he's going to leave with Megan and go back to Iraq/wherever to get her kid?