Bergamot

I loved that scene in "Dark Side of the Moon" with Walt and Roy! Roy hesitating to shoot Dean, and Walt saying, "He made us, and we just snuffed his brother, you idiot. You want to spend the rest of your life knowing Dean Winchester's on your ass? Cause I don't." I especially liked the implication that other hunters knew Dean Winchester was a dangerous badass, someone you would not want as an enemy. This is the type of respect I prefer to see paid to the Winchesters, not having people fawning over them because they are so special, "the guys who saved the world" -- especially since very few hunters are going to know the real story anyway. I just dislike Dabb's whole concept of the hunters as this little band of brothers, led by and in awe of the mythical General Winchester. I liked it when the show portrayed hunters as individualistic, ornery, suspicious and paranoid -- damaged people who would risk their lives for you, but only after you successfully drank from a bottle of beer that had holy water added to it.

The swelling, inspirational music for that scene kind of made me roll my eyes. Because I agree, that speech was kind of insulting to the American hunters. They were not the ones who got fooled by the BMOL. Also I don't see why it should be assumed that any of them would need an inspiring speech to convince them to fight back against someone who was killing them off. Or why they would need encouragement that it would be worth it even if they were killed -- they risk their lives every day they are doing their job. And not a single question permitted from any of them, just a few heads nodding? Come on. If I were them, I would be asking, "You've been working with them, why should we believe you?" and "By the way, where's your mother -- didn't she move in with them or something?"

I think it is Bobby. The longer I look at that picture, the more convinced I am.

Did Mary actually say, before begging Ketch to kill her, "The only thing I've ever had, beside my family, was my WILL"? In the first place, who talks like that? In the second place, what does that even mean -- is this supposed to be a big tragic moment for Mary? She doesn't want to die because, since she has come back, she has hurt and betrayed and deceived her sons, and as a result of her willful blindness and stupidity has aided a group of psychopathic killers and caused the death of people like Wally. That's okay, I guess, because she wanted to do those things. No, she only wants to die because she can't bear to be made to do anything against her will. What a bizarre and repulsive character she is.

Interesting. I had seen a couple of these before, but having them listed together does inspire speculation. Personally, I don't think that the finale will be about Dean or Sam, except peripherally. Having either of them be the central figures of the story does not seem to be something that interests Dabb. Considering how many mothers we have focused on this season -- Mary, Lady Toni, Kelly -- my first thought was that maybe Lucifer's baby will have some kind of supernatural power over mothers. Maybe they will turn against the good guys and ally themselves with Lucifer to protect the baby. Sounds kind of silly when I put it into words, but it is disturbing, I guess. My second thought -- trying to think of something that MIsha would find "chilling, disturbing" -- is that maybe Lucifer, either because the good guys somehow destroy Kelly's baby or because he decides he wants more offspring, takes Mary or Lady Toni, or both, as his "handmaids". Maybe the final shot of the season is one of Mary, and she is pregnant. (Reminds me of that famous graffiti from the sixties that said, "God is Dead -- but don't worry, Mary's pregnant again".) I don't know if it would make people hate Lucifer more -- I mean, he already basically raped and impregnated Kelly by using the body of someone she loved) -- but it certainly would be a shocking image.

Ha, I felt the same way about the music. It sounded like something from a sixties TV show, and was a very strange choice, I thought. The first thing that came into my head was "What IS this, an episode of "The Man from Uncle?" Which is actually a show that I loved way back when! But it is a vibe that seems so jarring and out of place on Supernatural. I feel that same way about the entire BMOL storyline, though. Yes! And then they could take all the time they needed in order to check out everything in the bunker. And they wouldn't have to take pictures of things for later because they could just move in if they wanted to! This sums up pretty well my feeling about the MOTW. The goat mask was scary (goats are scary looking to me!), but as a monster Moloch was pretty lame. Obviously he could hunt humans for himself so why was he bothering to bribe the sheriff's family, and why was he starving unless they helped him? There seemed to be a disconnect between the way the people from the town talked about Moloch and what we actually saw of him. For one thing, the bad guy was saying, "He promised me riches!", as if his "god" had been having long persuasive conversations with him, but Moloch came across as more of a wild beast who didn't even talk and he just snarled and growled when we actually saw him in action.

I was sorry to see the Alpha Vampire get killed in this episode, mainly because he seemed to go out with a whimper rather than a bang. I kept waiting for him to attack Sam or at least show his fangs, but he just tamely stood there waiting to be shot. I had once thought he was a rather impressive monster, at least in his first couple appearances, but he seemed very weak in this one. Remember the spooky vision Dean received from the Alpha Vamp after he was turned, with the little girl twins and their teacups of blood? Very sinister and atmospheric. And then when the Campbells had the Alpha Vamp chained up in a cage and were trying to torture him for information on Purgatory? I think you got the sense that they had a very dangerous tiger by the tail, and were out of their league. As he told Sam and Dean, "When your kind first huddled around the fire, I was the thing in the dark. Now you think you can hurt me?" In this episode the answer was, sure we can, no problem! I think another reason that the death of the Alpha Vamp was pretty much a damp squib for me is that there was no connection made to anything in the Winchesters' history. For example, the fact that Dean was once one of his "children" was never mentioned, or that Dean killed Eve, the Alpha Vamp's "mother", or that last time they saw him they told him they were looking forward to coming back to kill him. It was the end of a scary monster, but there was nothing personal about it. Nothing made it seem like a big deal, in spite of the special effects. In the beginning when we saw the Colt being used, for example when Dean shot Azazel, or when he tried to kill Lucifer with it, there was a deep resonance and meaning in those moments that tied back to the very beginning of the show; its use was something that changed everything for Dean and Sam. Now it is just another renewable magical tool in the MOL's kit, and I feel as if the specialness of it is gone for me.

Like father, like daughter? I wonder too. It actually would perk my interest for the first time in the British MOL storyline if it did come to open warfare between Dean on his own on the one side, and the MOL on the other, even though Mary and Sam have allied themselves with them. I woud like to see them try to take him down. I would find that a much more interesting story to watch than them all banding together as humans to fight the monsters and (blech!) developing a mutual respect, or whatever it is that Dabb has in mind. Hey, maybe the MOL could even try eventually to take out Dean with the Colt, and discover that he is one of the five things it can't kill. (Just kidding!)

I guess it is possible that Crowley doesn't know what really happened. Although we as viewers all saw what Dean did, we have not seen anyone on the show talking about it. Dean just told Sam he would tell him about it later, but unfortunately that apparently took place off-screen. It is possible that Dean minimized his contribution; I think that would be characteristic of him. You have a point, though. After all, Gabriel coming out of "witness protection" and joining the fight to stop the Apocalypse, giving them the information that the rings of the Four Horsemen could be used to put Lucifer back in the cage, was the only thing that made it possible for Sam to jump in the hole, taking Lucifer and Michael with him. But when it is talked about, no one on the show ever says that the Apocalypse was averted by "the power of the archangel Gabriel". Considering that what transpired between Dean and Amara has never been talked about on the show, I would have to agree to disagree that it was not an odd way to now characterize what happened, and somewhat jarring.

I kind of liked Wally in this episode and was sad that he got killed. I liked him when he enthusiastically joined in with Dean's "teachable moment" for Cas about the waitress, and I liked his plain-spoken honesty when he said that he had never dealt with a demon before and needed help as to how to handle it. I did think it was odd, and was wondering if he was just being polite, when at their first meeting Wally said to Dean and Sam that their mother had been telling him all these good things about the two of them. What kind of things did she tell Wally about them, considering that I am still wondering how much she knows about their life histories? And if Mary could praise her sons when talking to some random hunter, why can't she say these things to their faces? I have never forgotten Dean telling Lucas in "Dead in the Water" how every day he does his best to be brave, because he believes that's what his mother would have wanted. Just think what it would have meant to Dean to have Mary, when she came back and started learning about his life, tell him that she was proud of how brave he had been!