[Except Chelsea (and Cole)]

7 hours ago, Christina87 said:

I know, right?! At least if you saw Barb, you could say you respect and admire all she has taken on, which is exemplary for a grandparent (but sadly all too common). What else has anyone else done that's outstanding or unusual? Besides Barb, I can't imagine what I would say to any of them. 

That’s a good point. She’s the only one worth taking to. Maybe Gary and Kristina too, for the same thing. (And, if Leah wasn’t around, to ask how much they actually hate Amber.) BUT, Barb, like Urkel, also has “catch phrases” you could ask her to do. 🤣 I wouldn’t but I’d totally ask her how many times people have yelled “I seen ya wit Kieffah” at her. Bet the answer isn’t zero! Then, maybe when we were parting ways I’d tell her to, “have fun livin’ on the streets wit {her} boooyyyfriendddd” and she’d call me a “bitch of a viewah” and we’d laugh and laugh. Unless she already gets that one said to her too, sometimes. Yep, that’s how it would go. 😆 #PPP

 

 

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

8 hours ago, lexxilex said:

My guess is they want that child support money. 

More likely they don’t want to PAY support money. Is it known how much Nathan paid Jenelle? I have to adjust my previous comment, they’re going to go broke faster if they have to pay support to Nathan for Kaiser, Barb for Ensley (I REALLY hope she doesn’t agree to not be paid by Jenelle and David for Ensley’s care, like she’s done with Jenelle regarding Jace) and Maryssa’s grandmother for her care. Even if they lose custody they still have to pay for their kids. I hope everyone collects every possible cent!!!

7 hours ago, Christina87 said:

Yeah, I definitely see David leaving. As much as it pains me to say it, I think Jenelle has brought him down more than he has brought her down. Remember in the beginning when he looked somewhat attractive? David is a vile, abusive, mean, racist, homophobic coward, but you can see the years with Jenelle taking a toll on his body. She is all those things too (except not racist or homophobic to the same extent), but she's also INCREDIBLY difficult to deal with on a day to day basis. David might not be quite as annoying just going about daily life as Jenelle is. Remember before their wedding, when he was actually trying to get some work done, and she kept coming out and screaming at him to pay attention to her? Or her whining nonstop about missing the gym? I think if Jenelle were slightly more pleasant and easy to live with, they'd be the kind of couple that was just low key abrasive and rude, with bouts of violence when they fight. However, I think Jenelle escalates it to tension and drama all day! Remember when David was trying to move and she was yelling at him that she was bored...and couldn't do anything when she was pregnant...and didn't want to take kaiser to a hotel...wah, wah, wahhhh! I think without Jenelle, David could go about his day and be somewhat productive and neutral, though his flashes of violence would still be a problem. But instead, Jenelle escalates every single moment of the day to resemble World War III. 

So basically, he's the more dangerous one, and she's the more annoying one. She has proven that she doesn't care that he's dangerous, so now, the only way they break up is if he gets tired of being annoyed. 

I think he has only put up with it because of the money. Sure, he enjoys controlling her, but he's controlling with all his partners, and she doesn't seem to mind it. I definitely see him leaving when the money's gone, because Jenelle is such a pain in the butt. I've never seen him act like he genuinely enjoys her, but I've seen her act totally in love. I still think he went after her purposefully because if he money, underestimating what he'd have to put up with. 

Ultimately, I think david might be the worst PERSON of the two (it's a hard toss up), but if you could refrain from pissing him off, he might be the easiest to coexist with for a day. If I could guarantee he was disarmed, and I had ten armed guards in every room, I would choose to spend a day with him over her. I'd just sit in the corner and read, and he'd probably just go about his day. However, Jenelle would insist on being paid attention to, and would try to cause drama. But having to spend a day with either would be a horrible nightmare!

but yeah, my money is him leaving. Sadly, Jenelle couldn't care less that he is violent, and I don't see that changing. 

I agree. David is the bomb and Jenelle is the match. That sounds victim blame adjacent but, only if you see Jenelle as a true victim..I still see her mostly as a co-conspirator. She might be being treated poorly but I think she also treats people just as poorly, in different ways.

2 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

Now that there’s no show, what’s her incentive to fight for custody for any of them?  

The incentive for Kaiser it’s to “win” over Nathan. I’m not sure how strong that desire is but David seems to REALLY hate Nathan. Hopefully they drop trying to regain custody of Kaiser. I think that’s possible eventually. For Ensley it’s because David wants his “possession” back. Maryssa went against him, but Ensley is too young to do so. Ensley is so young she’s probably happy to see David. I don’t think Jenelle gives much of a shit (hence dropping Jace) but since David does, she does too. If David decides he doesn’t care anymore then it’ll all be dropped. Ensley is the only one who will probably be back in their care eventually. IF David, inexplicably, decides to follow the orders once they’re given or their county really drops the ball. Hopefully Ensley starts shunning them too and it pisses David off enough to abandon the idea of having Ensley in their care as well. Maybe if they spend enough time apart or with limited contact she will grow less and less attached to them which will piss off David. Sadly, she never really looks “connected” in videos and pictures so there may be issues there already. But that may save her from having to return to The Land. Barb and or Jace need to teach her to run from David so he doesn’t want to see her either. Only kinda kidding. 😑 

1 hour ago, TheRealT said:

I'm pretty sure that Jenelle is a heavy weed user (by her own admission, drug tests, etc.). I don't even think that's necessarily a bad thing and I could see how it might even be beneficial to someone with Jenelle's mental illness/emotional issues because maybe it helps her keep more calm, etc. With that being said, I don't support her using while she was pregnant or using to the extent that she's largely checked out as a parent. To me, it's one thing to use cannabis while being an at least moderately functional adult and another to spend all day every day holed up in your bedroom getting high and ignoring your kids.

I'm not sure that Jenelle could be deeply into a non-abusive, non-dysfunctional guy. Apart from that, it's true that UBT is much more "marketable" as a date/partner/spouse. For one thing, he is capable of holding down a job, or at least being a functional SAH parent. Jenelle isn't. If Jenelle were lucky enough to find someone willing to support her while she stayed in bed smoking weed and feeling sorry for herself all day, he would likely be very annoyed by how useless she is. She wouldn't clean the house or cook or do errands (as I think UBT could/would.) It's one thing to put up with that if she's bringing in 6 figures, and quite another to tolerate it when the partner has to work to support her. She's a shitty mom by anyone's standards and (supposedly) can't even have more kids, so there's no incentive to support her so that she'll be (even a half-assed) mom or stepmom. On top of that, she has a very annoying personality. I suppose there are some people who are into "whiny, immature, dependent, self-involved, and clueless," but I think most people aren't.

The jury is sorta out still on if it’s beneficial or not for those with mental illness. Some studies suggest that using in your teens, especially, (like Jenelle) can exacerbate mental illness or make it present earlier. I’m a huge Cannabis (autocorrect capitalized?) user! But I’m a functional adult with no kids. I totally agree with your assessment of the marketability of Jenelle and David as partners. I could even see how, in some (janky ass) circles, David would be considered a “good catch.” Yeah, that’s fucking horrifying! But he WAS (haha) obviously the primary “caregiver,” did chores and his shitty “projects” around the house, etc. Sadly a lot of women would be glad to have him, even with the violence, just to have a man. 🤮 I still think Jenelle will find another soul mate when they do break up but her options will be even worse...I can’t imagine what that will look like. She’ll probably still have some guys interested because she’ll probably maintain some low level of fame/infamy. I’m slightly worried that other networks or even Mtv will be dying to get her on a show if/when she and David are through. I would venture to guess that a network already would swoop them up but David is too much of an insurance liability, if nothing else. If David hasn’t made filming basically damn near impossible, Jenelle would still be on the show. They did SO MUCH to try and keep her employed. She makes $ and brings ratings. 🤮 If she drops David Mtv will probably have her back. If not, one of the shittier networks will.

It’s pissing me off that this bitch would still be making hundreds of thousands if not for David. She’s a huge monster in her own right!

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

I can’t really remember...has Jenelle actually permanently ended any of her relationships? Or did they all end up leaving her in the end? I know she’s had dramatic moments of saying she was done with various people but all her relationships seem to have been on again/off again (in addition to a sociopath I also think she’s borderline so it makes sense). I’m thinking she didn’t actually end any of them for good, the guy did. Or maybe she did but only when she had another soulmate in the wings waiting. Anyone know?

I 100% believe it will be David leaving her whenever they do part. Unless, maybe, he cheats repeatedly and recklessly. But even then, she’s so dependent she’d probably come back. She accused most of her exes of cheating but kept right on dating them. She’s so fucked up.

Why do people think David wants to leave? He’s lost all his other victims, he needs his loyal last victim, Jenelle. IF you could call her a victim.

[Except Chelsea (and Cole)]

2 hours ago, Rebecca said:

What the hell would there even be to say to Chelsea... I’m a really big fan of your...uh...”work”? At least with an actor, musician, whatever they have actual skills and things to be a fan of and to talk about. I literally don’t know what you’d say to someone like Chelsea- I’m a really big of...how you live your life on tv? It’s so weird. What is there to be a fan of? Big fan of you not being awful and generally a normal person? 👏🏻 🥴

Quoting yourself is cool! 

But was just thinking....if that’s all you could say to Chelsea...what the HELL do “fans” say when they meet the likes of Amber? “Yer sucha good mom fer “putting yerself in” gel! I love watchin u lay in ur bed, not parent your daughter and yell!” “Remember that time you beat Gary up on tv? Lols, that was great!” “It’s so inspiring how you never grow as a person!” (That could be applied to most of them.) Fucking WEIRD!

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

11 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

You have good points. And there is always sex work to keep yourself supplied in drugs. 

I don’t think Jenelle will be in trouble immediately, but in 2-5yrs?! Absolutely. 

Agreed! I’m not saying life will be great for long, I just don’t think they’re going to be broke and living on the streets any time soon. Though, I want that for them.... Maybe all this negative attention will push Jenelle into a full blown addiction (I’m sure she pops pills sometimes as it is) and expedite the process. 

I simultaneously both hate them more and less for choosing to not pursue custody of Jace and Maryssa. Less just by virtue of the kids being freed from that house and more because it wasn’t done for their benefit or because it’s what is best but for their own selfish reasons and lack of caring. And because, despite the awfulness if living there, it still has to hurt, especially Maryssa. Not that I want them to get the kids (hellllll no, no matter what!) back but if you were Maryssa it would be hard to just not care and to not feel like they could’ve made an effort to try and be better people and parents for her but instead decided to say fuck it and move on so quickly.

There’s no way David is going to agree to anything or any terms to regain custody of Ensley.

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

10 minutes ago, Fiver said:

Was it ever confirmed that Jenelle got her tubes tied?

She said so, I don’t know what other kind of confirmation we could get. I really hope it’s true!

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

19 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

All addicts go broke eventually unless their spouse/partner cuts them off financially. It’s hard to earn enough to keep with with a habit- hence why so many celebrities (who have actual talent) who are addicts in end up in so much debt even though their income is exponentially higher than most people. 

Definitely true but, and this is going to be another unpopular opinion but I also think people overestimate their drug use. I’m not even convinced that David does drugs much at all...I think it’s just his sparkling personality. Plus alcohol. I also think Jenelle is mostly into weed. I’m sure she does other things sometimes but I don’t see her with a full blown addiction to something (other than weed). I think it’s just mostly her delusion and wonderful personality that make her her awful self, as well. Maybe this is changing in light of recent events. 

And even if they do have full blown addictions, if you’ve ever known an addict it’s amazing how they always manage to keep themselves supplied. I just don’t think everything (if you, like Jenelle, don’t count the kids themselves as “everything”) is going to go to complete shit for them immediately. And I think David is fine being poor as long as they have their stupid land and “freedom.”

After reading about what went down with Maryssa I bet they’re amping each other up about how they “don’t need no one” and how everyone is against them. I bet it’s bringing them together instead of the normal reaction which would be to tear them apart. 

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

For everyone assuming Jenelle will be broke soon...she still has 2.9 million followers on Instagram and is still posting all the clickbait, she’s still making money off that. No, it’s not TM money but I’m sure it’s at least a few hundred a day. As much as I want her to go totally broke, that’s not happening for quite some time. I also don’t think David is going to leave, unless Jenelle decides to do something “disloyal” to him and pisses him off enough. Right now he still has her under his thumb, right where he wants her. Why would he give that up? I also don’t think David cares about money that much. When has he really shown that he does? I think Jenelle cares way more about that. 

[Except Chelsea (and Cole)]

What the hell would there even be to say to Chelsea... I’m a really big fan of your...uh...”work”? At least with an actor, musician, whatever they have actual skills and things to be a fan of and to talk about. I literally don’t know what you’d say to someone like Chelsea- I’m a really big of...how you live your life on tv? It’s so weird. What is there to be a fan of? Big fan of you not being awful and generally a normal person? 👏🏻 🥴

[Teen Mom 2: Small Talk]

Have you guys seen this? Now we know who was buying this crap! 

[Kailyn: Kail Smash!]

On 4/11/2019 at 2:00 PM, Tatum said:

She does have a really pretty smile.

We just never freaking see it! It’s easy to forget she can even smile.

On 4/15/2019 at 3:57 AM, monicageller said:

That is some bottom of the barrel podcast. I'm going to have my dog make a podcast; it'll surely be much better than Chris'.

I listen to every (ok, not every but a lot because I spend a lot of time in my car alone) podcast and I still haven’t tried Chris’ podcast. What’s the name of your dog’s? I’ll definitely try that before Chris’! 😆 

On 4/18/2019 at 4:48 AM, Brooklynista said:

Where is Heather B. when you need her? MTV can only use what you give them Kail and what you give is CONSTANT bitch.

She also had/has a podcast! I bet it’s better than Chris’! She’s a rapper and had actual famous people as guests, including Snoop Dogg. Love her and love her immortal quote! 

[Kailyn: Kail Smash!]

On 4/9/2019 at 10:15 PM, Stusan said:

Who is she mimicking with the vagina compressing ripped up pants? 🤔

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

Does it sound like Jenelle’s situation?

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

Her first sentence is negated by the last one. If she would truly do ANYTHING in order to get them back, the first step would be ditching David. 

Exactly. Her actions speak way louder than words. Someone else who cried and said they wanted their kids back is Susan Smith. You know, the mother who drowned her two young sons because she wanted to have a relationship with a rich guy who didn’t want kids.... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Smith This could’ve easily been Jenelle’s path, IMO.

Jenelle’s words don’t mean anything. Choosing to not take every available second of visitation and being “too sick” show much more. And obviously the fact that she hasn’t left David, not even temporarily, over the kids being taken. She doesn’t care about the kids, the only thing troubling her is the negative press, IMO. I think David actually cares way more about the kids than Jenelle. They’re his possessions and someone done took ‘em, after all. 

[Jesus God, Leah!!]

That. Pic. Don’t. Make. No. Sense. Except, it somehow makes perfect sense for Dawn to have taken a picture like that. 

But. Dawn’s. Fucking. Eyebrows. 😲 

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

1 hour ago, Mkay said:

Leah has a new picture on her instagram.  I couldn’t pick apart all the comments to post here but this is the first one that popped up.  

Jesus, god, Leah, you’re a fucking idiot. Even apart from “apart” the synapses are just not working. 😆 

[Except Chelsea (and Cole)]

On 4/20/2019 at 2:52 PM, Mkay said:

He wore the drama is for nerds shirt in public the other day.  A fan took a pic with them. 

This is hilarious!!! What the hell do people want a picture like this for? To post on SM and look like a loser? I’d feel stupid gushing like this about any “celebrity” let alone a “reality star” let alone a cast member of TM! #ImWithWatson 😒 lol

On 5/9/2019 at 1:14 PM, Jaclyn88 said:

Does papa Randy annoy anyone else? He's a grown man and seems wayyyy too into commenting about the other people on the show. He just comes off very hungry for attention.

YES. I’ve said it since the beginning.

On 5/22/2019 at 10:24 AM, Christina87 said:

Right?! I can look at her and believe she is a dentist's daughter with this hair. She doesn't look low rent. It's such a strange dichotomy with her. Her attitude says, "I'm daddy's upper class princess," but her appearance says, "I'm a total edgy badass, and don't f*** with me." The new hair is neat and doesn't look as cheap to me, which IMO makes her look more classy. 

I guess I’m weird but I don’t see a dentist as some fancy profession that requires offspring to look a certain way, let alone “upper class princess.” He’s a dentist, not a senator or the something. And even if he was in a more prestigious field and in the top 1% income-wise it still doesn’t have much to do with Chelsea’s dress, IMO. She isn’t Randy, she’s just his adult daughter who has her own lifestyle and family. I also don’t think her appearance says “total edgy badass, don’t fuck with me” AT ALL.  That made me laugh. Chelsea looks like a typical “basic” woman in her 20s to me. Looking sloppy is on trend, look at the real “trust fund babies” living in LA or NYC. 

[S09.E20 Reunion Part 2]

Fuck princess Jenelle. She’s just so put upon, ever an innocent victim of life. 🤮 Why was she buttoning and belting her pants when she was backstage? Because she’s gained a few and they were too tight? I know that move...but, it was an odd thing for her to do it in front of a bunch of people. 😆 

If David isn’t mentally ill then the idea of a psych evaluation shouldn’t be a scary thing or a threat or insult. Taking one isn’t the problem...his inability to pass it is the issue. 😆 Lol at “all the really good things” Jenelle said were “happening in {her} house.” Damn. I don’t see how anyone can watch this and think she wants to leave David. Byeeee, bitch. See ya on the news and, later on, in the streets, wit ya perfect hussssssbanddddd. 🖕🏻

Kailyn is annoying. Hearing her speak (aka bitch, she knows no other tone) makes my blood pressure go up. I can’t imagine knowing her in person. I can’t deal with hearing ANY judgements she has about the circumstances by which other people have children. Look in the mirror, hooker. How many years until Kailyn likes Lauren and has to apologize for being an asshole, like has happened with Vee? Maybe that’ll never happen but you’d think she would be wiser about her treatment of Lauren considering everything with Vee. Kailyn is so strange because she never changes her behavior or grows at all. Even with video evidence of what she should do differently! She just sucks. I’m through giving her passes because of her childhood. She’s right, she’s grown ass woman and she’s fucking up three children herself at this point. Time to fucking grow as a person! Only an idiot thinks they’re fully formed at 27. She really thinks she can’t change a damn thing about herself at this point? Kailyn doesn’t deserve Vee...not even a little. 

[S09.E20 Reunion Part 2]

@CaliforniaLove Yep, I posted about reading that on reddit...lol at it being true. Briana didn’t like the pronounciation of Devoin so she changed it, according to a post on Reddit from awhile ago. The actual pronounciation makes me think of Lavoooiiinnn: 

...if you know, you know. 😆 

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

1 minute ago, Julyolo said:

More likely she pursued mental health because of her own family dysfunction, and Nathan reminds her of her dad.

Is this an assumption/inkling or is it known that she comes from a dysfunctional family? I don’t know much about her. 

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

39 minutes ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

Whoever Roux is, he or she seems to have some great inside stuff (posted above and on Reddit).  Unfortunately, a few people are screwing things up for everyone else:

"Ok...I have to wait a couple days to post more...need things to die down a little bit..ppl stealing my stuff with no credit and other "hatters" sending my stuff to outlets like it's their own."

I thought this tidbit was very interesting:

"AGAIN....Maryssa is the real hero in this...she's the real MVP...all I'm sayin"

https://twitter.com/ustacouId

They’re really concerned about getting “credit?” Side eyeing the hell out of them for that. I wonder who the hell this is? I was thinking an Eason sister but who knows?

[S09.E19: Season 9 Reunion Part 1]

57 minutes ago, buttercuppy said:

We're watching a reality show on Teen Moms.  Janelle has done some horrendous acts in the past and neglected her innocent children, yet Nessa remains impartial to all of this and continues to cash those paychecks without a problem.  Adults putting child's lives at risk, she doesn't mind. Nessa didn't bat an eye, just did her job and seemed to have no ethical qualms about these vulnerable young children.  But suddenly when her grown ass boyfriend gets attacked, she turns into a social justice warrior.  Get out of here!  Your boyfriend is a grown ass man, you can address the tweets but stop pretending like you're an advocate for the people that don't have one.  What a self-serving #$@#$.

We know that Janelle's a racist.  Get off your soapbox; the audience doesn't need a person of color to hold her to the task.    It made me cringe.  Go away, you, phony! Suddenly she clutches her pearls.  Now you're a political advocate, but where were you when the guys hung confederate flags and were killing cats and putting the lives of their children at risk.

I don’t disagree most of this and neither did my post, my previous post was just addressing the “professionalism” of Nessa bringing in her personal issues. My point with that post was that the issues aren’t just personal when they’re all public figures and there’s no job comparison to other jobs because the job is so specific and niche.

I think every single person employed by MTV and Viacom in the production of Jenelle’s scenes is culpable and those with first-hand knowledge, who witnessed things personally, are much more culpable than Nessa, who most likely doesn’t even watch the show. Generally Drew and Nessa are given the questions and clips to ask by production and they ask them and that’s that. It’s been a problem all along. There needs to be a host who will actually ask the hard questions and actually watches this show. Nessa and especially, Drew, the so-called professional, could definitely chose  to never participate in this show, however. I know I’d decline the job unless I could ask the important things. Drew, especially, certainly isn’t hurting for money and doesn’t “need” this job.

Nessa called Jenelle out on what she had personal knowledge of and I was glad to see Jenelle get called out on something, anything, even if it wasn’t the bigger issues MTV should’ve had Nessa (and Drew!) address - years ago. If Nessa hadn’t tried calling Jenelle out for what she did call her out on Jenelle wouldn’t have been called out for anything at all. I don’t think it was ever either or. MTV was just never going to address the child abuse, just like they haven’t been addressing it for years now. And now they’ll never have to because she’s off the show. I’m a fan of Jenelle getting called out for anything because she’s been such a lucky asshole in never having any consequences.

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

4 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Yep, I've seen those comments as well. Catelynn suffering from guilt and having replacement babies to fill the void is not a valid reason for Brandon and Theresa to give back their daughter, but you can't tell these idiots anything. 

Even when David murdered Nugget, there were a handful of diehards supporting him saying they would've done the exact same thing. The Teen Mom fandom is a really weird bunch.

It really is. It took me awhile to get it - there are, primarily, three types of viewers of this show:

1) Adult viewers like most of us, who are watching for the train wreck/wtf/snark factor because we recognize all these people are train wrecks who just happened to get EXTREMELY lucky (insert Nathan “.....who won the lottery” quote here) with this show but are otherwise unremarkable in every way, aside from the sheer awfulness of some of them

2) Young people who haven’t lived long enough to know what they really think or have an informed opinion about anything 😬 That’s just the easiest way to put it. Young people who don’t know diddly about being a twice married 28 year old “mom” of 3 but like the cast and watch the show and then come with their adoration on social media that makes no sense.

3) Adult viewers who actually find these people inspirational. Aspirational even. It’s often said that these viewers are probably in situations similar to that of various TM cast members and there’s probably something to that. If you’re uneducated, in your late 20s, with multiple failed marriages and multiple fathers or mothers for your children, living in a rural area without much hope for advancement maybe it is nice to see someone like Leah “thriving” on MTV.  A lot of people seem to admire people just for being on tv or famous. So maybe these viewers automatically see Leah or Jenelle as successful and aspirational because they’re “just like me” but then better because hey, they’re on tv and have money! These viewers are strange to me.

Vanderpump Rules has the same type of viewership, IMO. I’d say half the people watch that show because they’re all train wrecks and wtf to them and the other half find them an actual inspiration. It’s startling. Maybe this is the real divide the country should be discussing. 😆 

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

It’s a moot point at this stage because nothing has been set up but if Barb did set up a GoFundMe or, more likely, someone else sets one up for her, I don’t see the harm. Donating is a choice that people are free to make or not make. Barb is now raising a second child that isn’t her own. I’m not seeing any shadiness, what would even be the harm? There have been GFMs made for FAR less  noble causes and it’s definitely possible that some of the viewers/“fans” who have seen and heard what the kids have been through would want to donate towards their future care or even Barb’s legal bills to try and keep the kids away from Jenelle and David. 

I don’t think any GFM is really shady unless they’re lying about circumstances to get people to donate. Otherwise it’s simply whether or not each individual finds whatever cause worthy or not.

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

1 hour ago, lovesnark said:

If drug testing is ordered (I think it will be), I hope they order hair testing. The legal system knows how people are getting around urine tests and are working on ways to make it harder to cheat. Witnessed collections (someone watches them pee) are mandatory if  drug test are ordered by the department of corrections. The safety of children is more important than pretty much anything and I think if someone has to drug test in order to see a child, the collection should be witnessed or a hair test should be ordered. 

Queue up the head shaving by Jenelle and David in 5...4...3...2...1... 😆 

But unfortunately they often DON’T demand follicle tests and users simply take the test and then do their drug of choice right afterwards, generally assuming they won’t get another for a bit. I know someone who has inexplicably managed to beat every single urine test even though we all KNOW she’s still using. They really should switch to the hair test, maybe other jurisdictions do?

Ultimately I agree with @Tatum though, that David won’t even want to agree to do anything because even that will be too much of a concession to his ego. David’s ego is their ultimate downfall. 👏🏻