[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

Just now, druzy said:

Here are some guesses:

The Teen Mom Dark Web?

Someone needs money?

An insider?

Kaiser learned how to send emails!

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

6 hours ago, Pixiebomb said:

Barb needs a RingDoorBell and an ADT system STAT.

Hopefully she already has those things. I imagine she’s had to deal with weirdo viewers finding her house and coming to the door at least a few times.

2 hours ago, druzy said:

Where is this footage coming from? And the texts? Is Jenelle releasing it?

1 hour ago, kicksave said:

You know watching this it occurred to me that she probably has battered woman syndrome. She's so deep in the abuse cycle with this guy that she cannot make her way out of it. His anger, abusive language, physical abuse and the arsenal of weapons he keeps on the property and on him are just scary reminders to her to watch out...this guy is dangerous. The longer she stays there the worse it's going to get. She needs to get that app that Robin McGraw developed for women in abusive relationships.  

Or she could’ve just said something to the judge or other court officials, etc. She has so many more people to help her leave than the average person, plus money. She doesn’t need an app. She doesn’t want to leave, she’s made that more than abundantly clear at this point, IMO. She’s literally chosen him over everyone and everything despite all the other options she has.

I’m so glad the kids are staying away...for now, anyway. I hope they never go back.

[S09.E20 Reunion Part 2]

Oh, goody, Jenelle returns. Wonder how much asskissing was involved to get her to do so and if we will have to witness it. I just can’t watch them handle her with baby gloves some more, which I’m assuming they will be doing, because they suck. 

I...don’t much care for any of the proposed topics. 💤 

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

3 hours ago, druzy said:

One of my worries was  that the Murderer may hunt Barb down in her driveway when she returns home from the beach. 

That’s definitely a good point and major concern. He might feel like he doesn’t have much to lose now, so taking Barb out is worth it. He’s just crazy enough to try and take the kids and run, especially if tomorrow doesn’t go at all the way he wants. If he gets the chance I could see him driving them all off a cliff or something. I don’t think he’d kill himself any other way, but I think he’d do it to take everyone else down with him like, ‘if I can’t have full custody of MY kids no one else is going to either’ style.

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

As annoying as it is that freaking Newsweek is writing articles about Jenelle, the timeline they provided of all her arrests and drama is interesting to see. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/jenelle-evans-teen-mom-mtv-1419368%3famp=1

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

1 minute ago, Lemons said:

I disagree.  The only people that these pictures could harm are Jenelle and creepy.  Reminds them that the kids are just fine without them. 

Barb might also be doing it so the rest of us can see that Ensley is doing well. I know I feel a little better seeing her smiling and eating a treat on the beach. Even though her “parents” are monsters they’re all she’s really known, it’s good to see she seems to be doing well without them. We all know she’s better off but it’s good to see she’s (apparently) not devastated without David and Jenelle. It’s just a bonus that it’s got to be pissing David, especially, off. I don’t think Barb posted the pics to be an asshole or petty either. She’s a public figure and so are the kids, she knows people want to know how they’re doing and this doesn’t seem exploitative like being on the actual show can definitely be for the kids.

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

On 5/24/2019 at 6:59 AM, Spiderella2 said:

A few folks upthread were wondering why Janelle was posting on social media during this week and the court case. I’m sure her lawyers told her to lay off SM, and there is a gag order in place that no one wants to violate. But Janelle is a narcissist. She likes being the center of attention at all times. She needs the fawning mob just as she needs air, food, and her drugs. She can’t live without SM and even though she’s in court, she is still on there, scrolling and reading everything. She can’t post anything really about her life, but she can read and sees what’s being said about her. She can’t defend herself, but is too addicted to just turn her phone off. So she posts passive-aggressive memes, most of which make very little sense to us but gives her fans something to like. The Memes are targeting whoever is drawing her ire in that moment. Additionally, in her mind, getting likes from random strangers online (without context or comments) fills that empty black hole she calls a heart where love for her children should be. She is posting because she needs the adoration and adulation of her sycophants. Even if it’s just someone liking or sharing what she posts, it’s giving her an emotional high. 

She also has no friends and no relationship with most of her family members. She has no one to “talk to” but “fans” on social media. 

On 5/24/2019 at 8:43 PM, druzy said:

Thundercunt's "team" drained the remainer of her money with promises of a makeup empire. Hopefully the attorney's got paid upfront, otherwise the only form of payment they will receive is in the form of a swamp.

Do you think they have a lip shade called “dog blood red?” How about “bruise purple” eye shadow? They can be part of JE Cosmetics “Childhood Trauma” pallet. 🤢 I don’t know why anyone would’ve bought it before all this but WHO is interested in it now? I’d like to have a word with anyone who would actually buy her shit at this point. It’s surely going to fail anyway, look at how many “celebrity” lines have already failed and they didn’t have any of the scandal Jenelle does.

3 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Is it really over between MTV and Janelle?  Can she ditch David down the road, when the money runs out and come back to the show!

I really do wonder about that, they know she makes them $ and the train wreck factor is a big draw...they better never give her any kind of “update” special of any kind. She doesn’t deserve any more money.

2 hours ago, druzy said:

I think she tried but was denied!

ETA: I was wrong. From The Ashley

“Yes we approached Jenelle as we believe a sex tape with her would be a huge success,” Steven Hirsch, founder and co-chairman of Vivid told The Ashley. “She’s currently not interested but we’ll see what the future brings…”

Did it come out that supposedly she failed the STD test? Or was that someone else or just a rumor?

22 minutes ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

Fuck this convict and his abortion slam. Most of us “don’t believe in” anything his disgusting ass does. How long until this kid is in the system. Jenelle has done a million shitty things but aborting his baby was not one of them. It’s unfortunate that she chose to have a baby ASAP anyway (Kaiser) but I think having Courtland’s baby would’ve been an even bigger mistake. 

[Teen Mom 2: Small Talk]

Right? And knowing he’s been abusive to other women and is anti Semitic. Sounds like a catch!

[The Quotes Thread: A Barrier of Bad News]

“I said if God did not grace her with a vagina in between her legs, I said, I would knock you clear through the fucking wall."

- Nathan Griffith

[Teen Mom 2: Small Talk]

This popped up on here as a link...what a lie! “Never looked better” ....suuure, Jan. He kinda looks like Sadam Hussein and the “young wife” just highlights it. 

[S09.E19: Season 9 Reunion Part 1]

But this is a “reunion” for a reality show, not any other job. The host’s job on these things, IMO, should be to call people out. They’ve just gotten lucky so far that Drew the fool has mostly been their “host.” Andy Cohen called out various Vanderpump Rules people out quite a bit at their recent reunion. If one of the “Bravolebrities” said some stuff about Andy’s partner there’s no way he wouldn’t say something about it, imo, and he hosts their reunions. I just think “reunion host of a shitty, drama-filled reality show about trash bags” is in a class of job all its own and can’t really be compared to any other. 

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

4 minutes ago, jacksgirl said:

Yes times 1000. Her "reps" or lawyer should tell her to stay off of all social media until this custody battle is over. Well, she should probably stay off social media forever but that's another story.

I’m glad she’s not though. Dig that hole, Jenelle, diiiiiiig 🕳 

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

4 hours ago, queenbee24 said:

My thoughts as an attorney are that maybe he had some kind of proof from them that he thought was real/had a witness they had found, etc and then he found out it was untrue and couldn't present it. But it's possible he's incompetent. I sure wouldn't risk my license presenting something I knew was untrue, it would be better to fall on the sword of "yeah I can't present that evidence now" because you can't disclose your idiot clients lied to you. 

As for the bedroom thing- I used to work in abuse and neglect as well. Jace doesn't have to have his own bedroom. He can share. in fact, he doesn't even have to have his own bed in many states since Jenelle doesn't have custody. He can sleep on a couch for visitations. Now if he were a foster kid, he WOULD have to have a bed and dresser (those are the 2 requirements) and can share a room with a same sex child. 

Lastly, I know it irritates people that Barb "let" Jenelle see Jace. She had no choice. Well, she had no LEGAL choice, she could have run I guess but that would have made it way, way worse on Jace. There were never findings against Jenelle and honestly, even if there were findings she was neglectful due to her drug use, she likely never did anything bad enough to lose all visitation. Barb actually played this right. 

Ok I lied, here's my last comment- the issue with Maryssa and the home schooling is exactly the reason that I think homeschooling should be more regulated. Does anyone think she was getting ANY kind of education in Swamp Elementary? Many parents pull their kids for legitimate reasons, but many others pull their kids and "homeschool" to keep the gub'mint out of their lives or instill ONLY ultra conservative christian values with little regard to actual education. More regulations in this area would protect those kids and I don't understand why legitimate homeschoolers would be against that. 

If I liked your comment any harder, I’d break it! Thank you for giving a professional perspective.

2 hours ago, starfire said:

Does Nathan still have unresolved legal issues going on, probation, etc., or is he in good standing to take on long-term custody of Kaiser? I know he has had some issues in the past but I can't recall what they all are. Is he a convicted felon?

He faced felony charges for choking his ex but I don’t know that he was actually charged with a felony, though he sure as hell should’ve been from what is available to read about the incident. But they never seem to actually get the felony they deserve on this show. And I don’t remember him going to jail or prison for any extended period of time. A few years ago Nathan also made a big deal about how David was “a felon” and therefore unsafe for Kaiser to be around. He obviously had the last part right but David has never been convicted of a felony. 🙄 Nathan allegedly has multiple DUIs and I find it hard to believe he wouldn’t get a felony for at least the second or subsequent DUIs. Trying to google past court info on Nathan is kinda hard now, it’s all about the current custody case until you dig deep. 

1 hour ago, Fiver said:

I have to say, I am very disturbed by the way Jenelle keeps posting things on social media, as if she were a normal wife and mother, having a normal week.  Who does that?  I don't have a degree in psychology, someone help me out, here.  I am trying to understand.

For what it’s worth, I have that degree. And in my opinion she’s a sociopath and has no idea how normal people react to things. She’s surrounded herself with other psychos for so long that she has no one “normal” to mimick and therefore doesn’t understand how horrible all this makes her look. She has no grasp on social norms, IMO. Generally sociopaths are smart, that’s usually one of their “advantages,” and they observe other people and mimick their responses to things to appear “normal” but Jenelle is an idiot and has no awareness to even know how to pretend anymore. I literally think she doesn’t even see how this looks to the rest of us.

[Jesus God, Leah!!]

On 3/23/2019 at 7:54 PM, Mkay said:

Leah and Germy Lynn

Glad to know she’s still making that unattractive fucking ‘nose-highlighting’ face. My face right now = Addie’s face here...”these fucking idiots...” 😆 

On 3/26/2019 at 2:45 PM, DudeLeaveMeAlone said:

This made me laugh 

Holy shit this not edited??! Why would someone with already claw-like hands add actual claws to them? 🦞 I hate those nails on everyone but they look especially terrifying on Leah!! I’m horrified, yet intrigued, to see what they’ll look like in a few decades...

On 4/7/2019 at 8:22 PM, woodscommaelle said:

On 3/24/2019 at 12:32 PM, guilfoyleatpp said:

I wish there was a "yikes" reaction because I'm less surprised than "yikes."

I think a ‘da fuq’ emoji would work as well. 

Don’t forget a nauseous/puking emoji! 🤢 🤮 

On 4/8/2019 at 7:08 AM, NannyBails said:

I wonder if anyone has some cell phone footage of what happened?  You would think in this day and age that if someone was forcibly removed from a plane that someone would film it. 

I certainly would, especially a star like Leah .😆 Maybe no one realized they they were in the company of a celebrity? 🤣 

On 4/10/2019 at 3:06 PM, Snarky McSnarky said:

Hopefully her daughters WILL give a fuck about grammar.

You clearly didn’t and don’t “major” in anything but you are supposedly a lifelong speaker of English... This kind of pride over one’s ignorance is insane to me. I like how she specified her “English grammar” - if we could just hear her speak talk one of the many other languages she’s fluent in the grammar would be much “weller.” 😆 English grammar just ain’t her thing - but when it comes to Swahili? Look the fuck out. Well grammar for days!

On 4/13/2019 at 8:29 AM, Scarlett45 said:

I could see this- I hadn’t thought about it but it makes a lot of sense. Jeremy may be a recreational drug user who doesn’t let his habit get in the way of his work. Originally I thought he didn’t go after Leah because he didn’t want to be bothered arranging care for Addie (as in he was away working and his Mom wasn’t interested in raising her). It could definitely be a little of both. 

Workers on the pipeline are regularly drug tested but he could definitely find ways around it. It would be incredibly stupid though because one dirty test and he’d be out on his ass, possibly out of that field forever. They can’t and won’t take the liability of that on. I don’t really see him as drug user (more likely a drinker) but it’s possible he only dabbled in it when he wasn’t on a job.

On 4/16/2019 at 4:34 PM, LBS said:

I walk past this poster everyday and today I finally figured out one of the actor/singer reminded me of Leah.  I laughed so hard I almost choked on my coffee!

Jesus, God - it’s Leah! I would loooove if she got tagged in this on SM somehow...

On 4/28/2019 at 11:53 AM, Mkay said:

Leah is there with Her sister waiting on Kail to arrive.  🙄

Put your ass away! I haaaaaate this swimming suit trend so much. I wouldn’t want to sit in the same chair after someone wearing one got up either. 

On 5/10/2019 at 1:12 AM, DeeReynolds said:

Leah looks like she's about to give Kail a golden shower...

And Kailyn looks like she can’t wait! 🤣 

On 5/21/2019 at 3:28 PM, Mkay said:

Someone called her out. She said this wasn’t about her. 🙄 

Then why the fuck are you getting involved, “Miss Lowry?”

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

I was looking in an online “dream dictionary” and this is what dream-analysis.com has for dreaming about guns:

See, gun always = penis. This is obviously all very scientific and indisputable. 😆 

David loooooves penises.

[S09.E19: Season 9 Reunion Part 1]

12 hours ago, ghoulina said:

The way he said it was SO casual. "That's something a lot of guys are doing these days. So weird." Like he's a teenage girl, discussing her classmates with a friend at the mall. And this is a DOCTOR? Couldn't he use a tone or language that more seriously conveyed what an issue stalking is????

It was VERY “oh, boys will be boys, hee, hee.” He’s done that kind of thing other times throughout the years but I can’t think of on example right now. He just sucks in a lot of ways and on top of that he obviously doesn’t watch this show that he’s PAID to comment on and bullshit quasi “treat” the cast of, so his opinions on any of them aren’t even fully informed. He’s pointless.

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

I guess it’s a good coincidence that Barb had been hanging around with Jenelle and was “in” with the Easons for awhile semi recently considering she has temporary(?) custody of Ensley now. I wonder how well she knew Ensley/Ensley knew her before that. Or even now, I guess, since Ensley is so young and Barb got cut off from her and the rest of them however many months ago...I wonder if Ensley even knew who Barb was immediately? I assume she knows Jace though. If this had been a year or whatever ago I would imagine Barb and Ensley wouldn’t even know each other at all, since they kept Barb away for a big part of Ensley’s life. No matter how much safer and better off she is with Barb this is major trauma for Ensley, IMO. She’s away from the only people she ever really spent any time with, no matter how awful those people are, and everything she’s known.

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

8 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

Funny how JE thinks the judge is prejudiced against her, remember how she was "bragging" that she knew all the judges and they all wish her well?

But “they watched her grow up” or however she phrased it. 😆 It was like she was talking about former teachers or something instead of judges who were trying her. I guess they’re about the same for her. 

5 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I've never worked in the court system, but I imagine there's no better way to piss off a judge than to a) claim he/she is biased and b) cause a delay then fail to provide evidence supporting that claim. This is going along swimmingly. To be a fly on the wall....

I wonder if he’s being deliberately incompetent to fuck her over...some of y’all are lawyers, right? 😆 Shady and criminal as hell but imagine if her lawyer was sabotaging it all on purpose because he knows exactly who she is and what’s up? I’m just gonna pretend that’s what is happening, however unlikely. 

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

5 minutes ago, geauxaway said:

Not to get into the weeds over the bedroom situation, but in CPS cases it most certainly is a concern and a requirement. In many of these cases there is some level of sexual misconduct or abuse on top of the other host of issues that have caused the children to be removed.  I am NOT saying that the Eason kids have been sexually abused, but is just another box the case worker needs to address and check.

Yeah, I’m not saying they don’t care about bedrooms at all but this isn’t a case where a kid was sharing a room or bed with an adult. I don’t like getting personal but I know plenty of people who have kids sharing rooms. One is a foster parent and the two girls she has share a bedroom and it’s not a problem. Maybe geographically it’s different in different places but each child in a family having a bedroom is considered a luxury to many. I can’t imagine a judge keeping visitation from happening because a child who spends 4 nights there a month wouldn’t have his own room but instead share with his sibling. 

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

I guess it’s kind of a good thing in the end that Maryssa was “homeschooled” because this happening at that point in the school year could’ve been devastating to her grades. But she’s probably behind her peers anyway, thanks to David. It’s good that the removal happened before Kaiser was in kindergarten or anything. It would’ve been hard to keep him in his school if he is now living hours away. The only kind of blessing about the kids being so isolated on The Land is that they don’t have much to miss, aside from their parents, who I’m sure they miss in complex ways even though they’re monsters unworthy of their kid’s love, and each other. They don’t have schools or friends to miss from their life on The Land and will hopefully be able to build relationships with some other people now.

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

3 minutes ago, Lemur said:

No doubt they're focused on the immediate danger to the kids, but at the same time, this isn't an amicable divorce were the parents decide Dad gets weekends and it's okay if the kids share rooms.  This is a CPS situation and if Jace has told the judge or social worker that he doesn't have a place to sleep when he's there, it does fall into consideration.  And leave it to these two dinguses to take the most minor quibble and focus on that instead of you know, not abusing the kids psychologically and giving them life-long cases of PTSD. 

Yeah, it’s not like a divorce at all...Jace is staying with his primary caregiver as he has been and now not even going to The Land. It’s more like the every other weekend dad (aka Jenelle) lost custody and won’t be getting it back so having his own room there is moot. I don’t think not having your own room is the same as “not having a place to sleep” either.

4 minutes ago, druzy said:

To add to the list she has a pool that's not fenced in.

I would think that would be a way bigger concern than Jace having his own room.

[S09.E19: Season 9 Reunion Part 1]

11 minutes ago, kicksave said:

I'm not a physician nor a drug counselor but I would not minimize the effects that weed has on one's ability to drive properly. There have been quite a few accidents that I've read about where there have been fatalities due to a driver stoned on weed. So I think both alcohol and weed are substances that affect one's cognitive abilities. I think they both can be dangerous when used to excess. Was Devoin driving under the influence of either of these substances when he lost his license? No one has the right to get behind the wheel of a car high on weed or drunk and potentially kill innocent people...if he was drunk or high I thank the police for stopping him and the court for taking away his license...especially after watching his behavior the other night.

I don’t know if he was under the influence when he was pulled over but I don’t believe he has a DUI so it doesn’t sound like it. The problem with testing for weed is that you can test positively for it weeks after you last smoked it - making it kind of impossible to know if someone was even actively high during an accident or not. So if there’s an accident and they test the driver’s blood and it’s positive for marijuana they can say it was a cause of the crash but there’s no way to actually know unless it’s a case where the person was observed smoking in the vehicle prior to the crash. I’m definitely not advocating for driving high, I’m just saying that those statistics are skewed because weed stays in the system for so long. And that charges for possession of marijuana are bogus and pointless to me and shouldn’t count as a drug conviction as if it were a drug like cocaine or heroin. It also doesn’t look like any of his drug charges pertain to driving under the influence of weed but to simple possession of weed, which he was caught having due to expired license plate tags. He did have a burglary charge in 2013 that was dropped that I can’t find any details on. 

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

2 hours ago, Tatum said:

God, my heart just breaks for Maryssa. Kids thrive on structure and predictability- many, many studies have shown this. So, even without the death of the dog, the highs and lows of swamp land, the feeling of walking on a landmine and never knowing what is going to set David or Jenelle off, the isolation of the land, etc.- all that would probably amount to psychological torture even if David never laid a finger on her.

And while it would be easiest for Maryssa's badly damaged psyche if she could hate David, the fact is, she probably doesn't. I would venture to guess she still loves him. And that may severely damper any relief she has to be away from him, because now she feels guilty about it. And David is certainly not above using emotional manipulation to make sure she feels worse about it.

She's probably full of rage, sorrow, confusion, fear about where she's going to wind up next, guilt- quite a powderkeg for an adult, let alone an 11 year old.

Ensley is actually even worse off, but at 2, probably more concerned with basic survival needs than all the emotional upheaval Maryssa is probably struggling to process.

I have to hope this is the end of the road for Kaiser and Jace, but I don't know what's going to become of the girls. It's very sad.

Maryssa is now also isolated from her siblings. If she really was Ensley and Kaiser’s caregiver she probably missed them a lot. I can only imagine how complex and confusing her emotions are now.

1 hour ago, druzy said:

She already has answered with her actions.

1 hour ago, geauxaway said:

Not to mention WHY would Barbara abscond and abandon her job of 20+ years, her home she owns, and her friends, community where she has made a life, and her (and Jace) support system???   That’s just not realistic and it’s not how rational law abiding citizens operate.  That’s something David would do.  She did as she should have, to the letter of the law.  

This will all be in her favor for these current proceedings.  She has followed all directives, she is in a good light.  Just makes Jenelle and David look worse.

Exactly. Plus, she’s also at least partially raising another of her grandkids. I don’t know if she has full custody of him too but she’s be messing up the lives of at least 2 kids she cares for if she ran off. 

30 minutes ago, Lemur said:

It absolutely is.  One of the basics for proving you can have your kids back is that they have actual places to sleep that aren't with the parents, usually in their own beds in their own rooms.  I know of one woman, granted in another state, whose reunification plan was held up for six months while she found and moved from a studio apartment to a one bedroom so her kid could have a room with his own bed.

I know that this is a thing but I think that it doesn’t apply in this specific case. Jace doesn’t live at Jenelle’s, for one. There’s almost zero chance of her obtaining any more time than she had with him before all of this went down and for now she has no time and it’ll be a long time and maybe never before Jace sets foot on The Land. I also think there’s a huge difference between a studio apartment with NO bedroom and thus zero privacy than a house where Jace probably shared a room with Kaiser the few times a month he slept there. Kids can share bedrooms with each other but it’s frowned upon for a kid to have to share with their parent. I would think they’d be more focused on the guns and abuse with these assholes. Not having adequate housing has never been an issue. Though, living on The Land in general should be considered hazardous. 😆 

[Jenelle: Birther Of 3, Mother To None]

@Dance4Life I’m talking about when Jenelle had complete custody, in the beginning when Jace was first born. Barb had zero rights to him until Jenelle agreed to sign him over to Barb’s physical custody. Yes, Jenelle did so because she didn’t have money for a lawyer and Barb was going to take her to court with a lawyer of her own and Jenelle was homeless and didn’t have great odds of keeping full physical custody with Barb goinh before a judge against her but they never actually went to court. A lawyer drafted the documents and they were signed. It was all agreed on, there was no court order. It stipulated that in order to change their agreement for Barb to have custody to Jenelle having it that they would need to go to court and that’s why Jenelle has threatened to “get Jace back” through those means and the courts have since officially become involved. At this point Jenelle cannot take custody from Barb and Barb cannot take away Jenelle’s right to legal custody. Barb taking Jace and running away could result in an Amber Alert issued for Jace and Barb getting charged with kidnapped. Not having custody and rights being terminated are EXTREMELY different things, I’m not “splitting hairs” at all. Jenelle has a legal right to know where he lives, she is still legally his established parent. And while she doesn’t have primary custody of Jace she has had the right to her time with him until recently. I’m obviously not saying any of this is right or I personally agree with it but they are the facts. Things may be different now that all this happened but before this Barb was straight up not legally allowed to keep Jace from Jenelle as Jenelle has established parenting time through the courts until recently.

Of course Barb originally wanted and expected Jenelle to take custody of HER SON, that Jenelle chose to keep and “raise” (despite Barb’s objections and suggestions otherwise) back eventually...Barb expected Jenelle to grow up eventually and be a mother. Jenelle never did and I think Barb knows, accepts and wants Jace to stay with her his entire childhood at this point. Nothing has shown differently. Barb didn’t choose to have a baby and raise a child, Jenelle did but Barb has accepted that it’s now her role.

I think Barb should cut Jenelle out too, I think Jenelle is a straight up sociopath, but that’s way easier to say when we’re not her mother and didn’t give birth to her. And when we don’t love her and I actually despise her. Barb has been disappointing to me lately, especially the drunken hangouts with Jenelle but I do think she’s done a hell of a lot to try and give Jace a decent chance. She’s got issues of her own and is a flawed person but I think she’s doing her best and that’s more than I can say for most of this cast.

[S09.E19: Season 9 Reunion Part 1]

5 hours ago, kicksave said:

Hmm...he spent time in jail for drugs, several times actually, and lost his drivers license also. Young and immature? Wow...at some point when you’re a father in your mid 20’s you have some insight and control over your behavior unless you have a problem with drugs and/or alcohol. Thank god he didn’t have his drivers license or he surely would have had an accident.

I agree he needs to get his shit together and be a real father but basically all his charges are for possession of marijuana. How many people have that legally now or illegally? He was just dumb/young/unlucky enough to get caught. I don’t doubt that Briana and Brittany and most of the cast smoke weed too. Do you have a source for him spending a bunch of time in jail? I basically can find that he got one night in jail in 2014. His last arrest was in 2017 for not showing up for a possession charge from 2014. He’s definitely got potential issues and getting arrested is a horrible look but he’s not Butch or Adam...so far, anyway. The sloppy drunkenness, during the day, while he was supposed to be taking care of his daughter is pretty disturbing to me, though. Alcohol is a lot more dangerous than weed, IMO. At least he’s been smart enough (seemingly) to not be driving, unlicensed or not, that wouldn’t stop a lot of people from doing it anyway.