Cinnamini11

Exactly!!!! During that whole scene I was just rolling my eyes, like you know you don't have to do a dance battle, right? Be a grown up. Say no thank you. Ugh, but you know Whitney can't back down from a challenge. Because she has the maturity of a toddler.

Is Big Girl Dance Class supposed to be a fitness class or just a dance class? Because the the trophy wives' atmosphere is so different because they're obviously a fitness class. I mean their class looked awesome, but no need to be rude in BGDC even if you do think it's lame. Oh but both of them with the hugging and the high pitched "hey!" so fake. Bleh. Hate that.

I don't even own a cat and when I heard that I was just like "whaaaat?" And she has multiple cats! She should be scooping that box like it's a part time job. There are piles of poop in the corners??? Wtf.

I think sometimes it's really hard for people who don't react as strongly to others to understand more sensitive people. Ha that's basically the premise of my entire childhood. Both personalities (thick skinned vs sensitive) have their pros and cons. But seriously if my dad had to live in my brain for a day and vice versa- it would be like we were experiencing completely different worlds. Going back to PC talk etc., along with sensitivity and kindness, a large part about some words is that it's more than just being mean, it’s the effect that it has on society at large. Some people dismiss that as bull because 'how is my one comment affecting "society"???' But what people don't think of is that same sentiment is actually being expressed over and over by so many more people than just them. Plus it's harder to notice when that sentiment isn't being directed towards you personally. Those words are reflective of their thoughts and those thoughts impact how they treat people, no matter how seemingly minuscule it is. And although personal actions may seem minuscule, when it's combined with the thoughts and actions of others it is amplified and very impactful.

Actually if you did that people might get even more alarmed! I have rbf so people would just think I was plotting their demise or something. Anyway, I think this relates to how, unfortunately, your job isn't just about how well you can complete your work. The unwritten part of the job description is being the right "fit" for the company. During my interview for my current job my boss actually said he was "looking for someone he could have fun with". -_- I thought for sure they were going to go with the other candidate after that (I'm rather reserved). There's nothing inherently wrong with being blunt, plenty of people appreciate it, but when it comes to your job interpersonal skills are half the battle alone (I'm pretty sure everyone has experienced that one 'fun' person in the office whose work is sort of subpar, but everyone loves them and lets them get away with it). If you work in a solitary field or are pure genius enough to be indispensable, then you can get away with a lot. But otherwise… I had to send yet another email out to my group yesterday and I literally thought "hmmm better put a smiley face so they don't think I'm mean". One, it's email so tone can be hard of course. But two, it might soothe any knee jerk defensiveness as well as get them to do their job. Is a smiley face necessary? Nah, but it helps in getting a message across to a group full of different personalities. I do my best. The girl before me was super peppy and yeah no I can't be that person, but I'll be empathetic.

I don’t think it’s PC so much as change in public opinion. You can’t say a lot of things anymore without someone speaking out to disagree (I suppose the opposite is true as well?). And it’s viewed as “okay” to be derogatory as long as you view the idea/comment/opinion as morally repugnant. I think that’s always been the case, but now people have different ideas of what is morally acceptable and what is not. Sixty some years ago few would’ve batted at eye if you had sex with your wife when she didn’t want to. Now it’s rape with prison and social stigma. I think people would feel no such qualms about being derogatory to someone expressing that opinion again. So now you have the same situation, except with disagreeing with same sex relationships. To this point I would say that perhaps it comes from increased understanding and acknowledgment of the impact and importance of mental/emotional health (versus only physical well-being). I think as a society we’re becoming more aware of emotional trauma and the subsequent behaviors that can come about as a result. I think physical actions can be viewed in much the same way. If you intentionally hurt someone (black eye, broken nose, etc.) people still view it as a big deal/assault, even if the person heals good as new. Edit: Re-read this, clarifying that I'm not saying leaving polite, but potentially offensive to her, comments on Whitney's wall is trauma lol, just meant that reactions to words in general can come from seeing them as more important now.

I thought the same thing. I was wondering if something was going on with my television even because there's no way they'd do that on purpose, right? Ugh it reminded me of something done in a really bad high school film editing class.

To me his startled reaction to some of her questions came off more as a result of her being so blunt about it. Not only blunt, but also in front of the cameras during what was probably supposed to be a merry little daddy-daughter day for tv. I definitely gasped when she said she wouldn’t want a husband like him, but if he’s been a crap dad it makes sense. I don’t think she meant in a cruel way on purpose, but that’s the best way she knew how to convey what she was feeling/thinking. I think even when parents try really hard, feelings of abandonment are probably quite common in divorce, depending on the child’s personality, age of separation, custody arrangements etc etc. Megan probably has the extra weight of wondering if it had anything to do with her disability. She seemed really happy to be there, but I know I’ve seen my cousins interact great with their dad while also hearing my aunt (they’re divorced) confide in my mother about how hard it is for her to try and get him to spend any time/give enough attention to his kids at all.

I noticed that too! Personally the answer I would've been looking for is "Me. I would take care of you." It sounded like she wanted some acknowledgement that he could step up and be there for her and he couldn't even give her that! Instead he went with "everyone" would help. Wtf. I don't know their actual situation, but dad just came off a little icky to me. Then there was how concerned Megan was with him possibly canceling, at first I just thought it was excitement, but as it went on it seemed like there might've been a history of him canceling. And other things, like when Kris asked if Megan told him that she wanted to spend more time with him- it just all came off as classic 'distant dad' situation. Megan seemed overwhelmed with emotion after spending time with him... you could tell there's probably a lot of complex, conflicting feelings with that relationship.

The caption said they were his grandparents. Maybe they raised him? Not sure if they mentioned his biological mom/dad at all.

Who am I kidding, Kerryn needs a whole post to herself. Oh Kerryn. She said some things that were on point, but she couldn't keep her mouth shut long enough after some of them to have real impact. You know what I would've LOVED--if after the "What happened to the funeral you guys staged?" and the subsequent crickets, she would have just basked in it. After that maybe a 'what's that? nothing to say? yeah, pretty quiet now." Because Whitney's friends/family truly had nothing reasonable to say in response. Also really liked: "I don't think she wants help. Why would she change when she has everyone around her telling her she's doing great. Why would she ever try to get healthy?" This. See, say stuff like that and then shush. From the commercial I was worried from the whole about the disrespectful to Babs part, but I didn't think it was that bad. Worthy of a 'shut up and let her talk' comment, maybe, but Whitney had to go all extra and make things so awkward. I mean seriously, the uncomfortableness was palpable. Then that just opened things up for Buddy to talk, which sweet jesus, no. He managed to sound both mean and dumber than a box of rocks. Congratulations, Buddy. I never really gave him that much thought before this, but ugh. I think it's been said, but I do think Kerryn is also kind of an awkward individual. One, I think she has some sort of deeper issue with fatness/obesity going on. I know the show is about a "fat reality tv personality" but she seems like she clings to that "But I'm so skinny" phrase. I don't know her obviously, but it comes off as something she would've said in her life even before all this show stuff started. Two, I think when she seemed genuinely uncomfortable she would fall back on cheap shots. Almost like a protective shield instead of seeming vulnerable or unsure. Example: After Whitney left and she got insulted, she walked off and said the thing about the doughnuts. Or when the camera was following her afterward the whole debacle and she asked if she looked fat in her dress. Or when she apologized and it was thrown back in her face so she talked about how she's so skinny. I also think she's taken on this mean persona (not just on the show, but as a comedian/person in general), because well yes that's her personality, but she also seems like that person who sometimes tries to be nice and it falls on it's face (because she's awkward and blunt) and she's like, fuck it, why bother. Not saying it as an excuse for any behavior, I just love thinking about stuff like this.

I finally finished! Ugh that was rough. I pretty much watched everything but Kerryn's portion on mute with cc on. So many cringe inducing moments. Boring is right. Lennie: I wasn't a huge fan of having to relive the season with clips, but I was reminded how hilarious I thought the "you called me ten times?" scene was. Poor Lennie, he seems so awkward (see: "...regardless of what's wrong with you." lol). I thought he was probably a little nervous too, his leg kept doing that anxious jiggling thing at times. Personally, I would have ran, not walked, from that relationship. She seemed so needy. And that cringy manipulation-'did you miss me?'-what is he gonna say, no? And I don't know Lennie, so maybe that's just his face, but she was giving him so many heart eyes and he just... did not look into her. At all. Kerryn: Not gonna lie her joke took me a couple seconds and then I was like "oh it's funny because only fat women are desperate enough to be in an unwanted open relationship". Which. Maybe is wrong? But that's the best I got. I think, or I would like to think, that if Todd had actually said c*nt there would've been more of a problem. Using my friend Google I'm realizing I must've been living under a rock because I have never heard of that 'see you next tuesday' thing. ...that also took me a second, because clearly I'm slow on the uptake today. Also, it worked on two levels because they were actually talking about inviting her to an event. Being honest, it got one of those, 'I didn't mean to, but I definitely did,' laughs. Whitney&Co. really did their best to talk over Kerryn. While Kerryn could easily hold her own before, I think she got in a little over her head this time with it being 7 against 1. You could tell at some parts, like with Tal and his weird choreography comment, that they jumped in only because they felt they had to say something mean because they were Whitney's friend. Except Buddy. I think he really just hated her. It might be weird to some of y'all, but I was actually more put off when Buddy referred to her as a "broad". I kind of like the word itself, but not coming out of his mouth. It reminded me when guys casually refer to women as 'females'. I just cringe. It's probably because this time and in the Kerryn episode, he repeatedly referenced her as broad or chick etc. for no reason, like damn Buddy, we get it. I keep trying to talk about Whitney's feet/lack of shoes, but I just can't. So unnecessary. Unsanitary. Like it's Twilight Zone, has they all lost their minds?

I was thinking the same thing! She really seems more in tune/rather obsessive with her sense of smell. Definitely connects with her eating habits/tastes. Personally the whole armpit thing squicked me out though, like gag reflex level of revulsion. Even if I liked that there’s no way I’d reveal it, let alone do it on national television (though with my anxiety I doubt I’d do much of anything on national television). But, uh, clearly she has no problem letting her freak flag fly in public so okay girl do you.

Whoa, not gonna lie this is kind of blowing my mind. I’d probably go with b*tch first (then again I/friends use that pretty word pretty easy), but I have used the c word at least once in reference to someone. I was thinking about it and wondering if any one identifies with the other categories of slurs (and I guess it’s little personal so please feel free to not comment). I mean of course all of someone’s identities are irrevocably intertwined. But I realized if I had to rank the strength/personal connection I had to each in general (which would be my race/ethnicity, then sexuality, then gender from greatest to least), it’d follow the same order in level of “offensiveness,” if that makes sense. So that’s probably why I feel that way. Not trying to be offensive I was just curious as I didn’t know the word had such strong personal reactions. Honestly it might be exposure too, I’m pretty sure I never heard the word until right before college and even then I didn’t know what it meant (besides the fact that it was insulting). Pretty much my only familiarity with it after that was from the book.

Taking my responses to the small talk thread.