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Dichabod is definitely going to be a thing. Since the whole season is filmed and done, there's no going back on that choice, either.

I refuse to watch this trash, but skimmed the transcript--I really wanted to know how repugnant the show continues to be, especially in attempting to deal with Abbie's death. This episode was as insulting as the finale to S3, and seemed to be written to be as damaging to the memory of Abbie as possible. It wasn't in any way "honoring" Abbie. It was half-baked racist BS attempting to troll fans w/ John Noble and references to Abbie. Yuck.

So gimmicky.

I'm on the West Coast; I referenced PST in the previous post. I pegged 8AM because that's when I read my emails on weekend mornings. I don't remember the exact time and honestly don't care.

Eh, I stand corrected. I don't follow ratings obsessively, or what posts what where first. I'm casual like that. Iscove said he got his numbers from TV Series Finale, which is where I spotted the 3 million after 8AM that morning. I have no problem believing him that he used the source he said he did and, in any case, I forgive errors of information that are easily corrected. Attitude is a different story, and the folks involved with SH are wide open on that front.

I'm the last person to defend Iscove, but he wasn't lying. He just jumped the gun w/ bad data that was published by a legitimate source. The first numbers published online Saturday morning were on TV Series Finale, and they had SH at 3.05 million viewers. As of 7:15PM PST on 1/7, the incorrect numbers were still posted: http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/friday-tv-ratings-emerald-city-hawaii-five-0-sleepy-hollow-dr-ken-crazy-ex-girlfriend/ It was a error on the part of the website Iscove consulted (I consulted it and made the same error), and since Rosewood really had 3.05 million viewers, my guess is that it was an entry error/copy-paste error that duplicated the entry for SH.

1) No one needs to watch the premiere to make up their minds about it. We have more than enough information from promo and official sources (and S3) to make a judgment about it. If you expect the writers/producers to suddenly have storytelling talent or for FOX to have pumped extra money into it, you're delusional. If you expect to see Tom Mison pinching his brows in a forgettable, below-average supernatural network procedural, well, your low expectations are exactly what FOX is aiming for. 2) Scenes with Lyndie and Tom are like a black hole of bad acting, and they have been for everything beyond Crane/Jenny's first scene together in S1. Even Zach Appelman--who, like Nicole Beharie as Abbie, was very grounded and realistic in his role as Joe--couldn't pull her up. Only Nicole and Orlando Jones could take the grating edge off of Lyndie's lesser talent. Tom can't. It's glaring. 3) The monsters have looked bad AND similar for several seasons. Isn't the one in the promo basically the same design as the one in 3x09? Unimaginative and cheap. 4) There was nothing special about the quality of the directing/cinematography in the promo, and I doubt there is in the season either. Overall, the quality of network TV productions is now very high just because of available technology. Shooting outside and resisting the horrid blue filters in post-production helps. But recreating the aesthetic of Bones isn't exactly expensive, groundbreaking, or interesting or, you know, worth checking out. That said, the CGI looks so terrible you can see the pitiful $$ on the line item.

A harsh or negative review is not necessarily a dishonest or problematically biased review. (Also, all reviews are biased by expectations, taste, prior knowledge, etc.) That said, Blackhoney posted a review of the premiere at least in part as a response to another (p)review of the premiere on TVLine (which itself is biased by the editors' relationships w/ networks/studios) that actually misrepresented facts about the premiere. Some people want to know what they're getting into prior to watching something and correctives to a promotional narrative are totally fair. For example, the promotional material and trailer for the new film Passengers presented a key aspect of the plot one way, but in the film it is very different. I am thankful reviewers and critics pointed this out because now I know I will absolutely avoid the film. Even though I didn't plan to see it in theaters, I have information now to put it in the "never" column rather than the "maybe I'd rent it from Redbox on a rainy day" or "if a friend begged me to go" columns.

Yep--the guy who played Peter Pan on Once Upon a Time is set to recur as a teen internet star. You cannot make this stuff up.

Oh, for sure! (No shade.) The current CW wouldn't touch something that looked like SH S4 with a ten-foot pole. I meant it might've had a chance ca. 2009.

Everything I see come out about S4 looks spectacularly stupid. A recurring teen internet star? Yikes. I feel like even the CW wouldn't even greenlight the show that SH has become now. Personally, I'm excited to try out Emerald City on NBC on Fridays at 9PM starting January 6. At least it's targeting an adult audience and taking big creative risks, not just following the tired supernatural procedural format.

Actually, Lethal Weapon is in the same time slot as Rosewood last season (as lead-in to Empire, not Empire as lead-in), and ad buys for Rosewood in that slot in 2015-16 were $88K. LW doubled that for FOX.

AD BUYERS thought MacGyver was going to bomb. It had one of the cheapest $/30-second ad buys of the 2016-17 season ($72K) and one of the lowest of any drama on the Big 4 networks. (You can look at the stats on Ad Age.) The only dramas that did worse among upfront ad buyers were ... drumroll ... The Exorcist and Sleepy Hollow. (Buyers did bet on Lethal Weapon doing really well and paid ~$172K/30 sec for it!)

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Clifton Campbell stated outright to the press at NYCC that there have been no talks about/with Nicole returning. When asked the question, (now co-showrunner) Albert Kim just shook his head. It really ain't happening, folks. That show's over.