[[SUNSETTED] Cast In Other Roles: That's Fake Me. This Must Be Fake Mine.]

10 hours ago, Commando Cody said:

I have to imagine that Leverage was filmed in Vancouver as well. Considering Mark Sheppard was playing Crowley and Jim Sterling while both the shows were still on. 

Leverage was filmed in Portland, Oregon. Mark Sheppard is just one of those actors who works both sides of the border a lot.

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8 minutes ago, AwesomO4000 said:

In my opinion, this is something we still don't know for sure. I've not seen or even heard details referred to onscreen as to what went down when Sam left for college.

My theory has always been that Sam got the letter saying he got a full ride and, yeah, kinda sprung it on John, but because he was proud of it and thought John would probably be proud too. But, John not being someone who could deal with surprises well, told Sam he couldn't go and it probably kicked of an epic back and forth fight ending in John telling Sam if he was going to leave, don't come back...and Sam being epic-ally pissed obliged.

I'm guessing Sam wasn't planning this for weeks, but applied and was surprised he not only got in, but got a full ride. I think everything just exploded and Dean was caught in the middle of everything...like usual. I think what hurt Dean more wasn't that Sam did indeed go when John told him too--because I can only imagine Dean being proud of Sam finding a way to go to college--but that Sam assumed Dean was a part of John's ultimatum. But, at 18 years old--and a stubborn Winchester--one may not see things very clearly. 

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55 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

As it stands now, they have essentially decided that Mary is not wrong, was never wrong and isn't sharing with her sons that she's still stuck in that headspace.

Personally, I don't think Mary is wrong; nor are Sam and Dean. They all have valid points of view and I don't think show has ever suggested that they don't. It's a crappy situation that none of them asked for. They're all just trying to do the best they can with it, IMO.

[Spoilers With Speculation]

7 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

I don't think I could possibly disagree with this more. Firstly, because that's not the Mary we were shown for 11 seasons, before her resurrection. And even if Dean's memories of her were rose-tinted, it's not the Mary we were shown in the time travel eps. She was never portrayed as someone who didn't have it in her to connect, especially not to her own children. And regardless of their ages, they are her children.

Oh, I think Mary of the past could've connected with her children. But, unfortunately she died and spent 30 years in Heaven with memorex versions of her children. To Mary, these two grown men are good men, but they're not her sons and I don't think any amount of time with them will change that for her. Mary of now simply isn't the person she once was. Which, being resurrected 30 years after your death can do that to a person.

[All Episodes Talk: Saving People, Hunting Things]

5 hours ago, catrox14 said:

Speaking of power imbalances, I've always wondered if in s4, Sam could have killed Dean with his mind if he tried.  I'm not being snarky either.

I'm not sure if he could've killed him with his mind, but I don't think he needed his hand of Ipec if he wanted to kill Dean. The demon blood had him all juiced up and created a power imbalance between them just with his fists, IMO.

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19 minutes ago, companionenvy said:

It might be the best thing she can do for the show, but I don't buy that it would be the best thing for Sam and Dean - or that it is the act of a loving mother, unless there's a more specific and pressing reason she needs to stay in the alt!verse. 

Isn't the act of a loving mother to not cause pain for her children? If she can't connect to them, but stays with them anyway, won't her disconnect be felt by Sam and Dean everyday? Loving mothers come in different shapes and forms and there are many different ways to show love, IMO.  Just like mothers who know they can't take care of their children and giving them up would give them a better life, I think Mary stepping away from Sam and Dean is actually an act of love for them. I don't believe she can ever connect, it's just not in her, IMO--some women just can't. And quite frankly, they're grown men who have lived most their life without her; they don't actually need her and know how to live without her. This way they don't have to witness her death again and they can think of her fondly, fighting the good fight like they do rather than struggling to have a relationship with her that she can't manage to reciprocate. 

[All Episodes Talk: Saving People, Hunting Things]

41 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Posting from The Thing thread just in case.

Anybody remember Taxi Driver? Sam decided on the spot that he was going through to Purgatory alone. He didn't really give Dean an option or an explanation beyond 'you know I have to do this alone', which was nonsense. He had to get the soul out of hell, but there was nothing stopping him having protection/backup to do it. He wasn't alone fighting the Hellhound, he is just the one who killed it. They both planned and captured Crowley to cure him. And if Dean had been stubborn and gone along anyway, they would've been stuck, because the plan went awry, as plans often do. So while it might have been frustrating for Dean, it was the right thing to do. And I don't recall anyone saying Sam was a dictator, or comparing him with John.

Who is calling Dean a dictator or comparing him to John? Granted, I skimmed the last page of the thread, but before that it seemed most were saying that was a well-thought out and reasoned plan. The only part I thought was foolish was that he was rushing to open the rift and agreeing to everything Ketch said, because, that didn't seem very well thought out or reasoned.

[Spoilers With Speculation]

If Mary feels she doesn't fit in the original universe and has found a place she feels she fits in the Alternate, I say she's better off staying in the Alternate rather than coming back and causing more pain for Sam and Dean. They're never going to have the relationship Sam and Dean--and fandom--want with her. She just can't connect with them. Too many years passed and she missed too much of their lives, not to mention her own guilt about it all. I can't really blame Mary, she didn't ask to be brought back and now she doesn't know what to do with herself and everything she does do seems to cause more pain and heartache. I think Mary staying on the other side is the best thing she can do for Sam and Dean--and herself. 

[S13.E17: The Thing]

24 minutes ago, Pondlass1 said:

And his foresight in leaving Sam behind 'just in case' was smart.

But, that's kinda my point, that was a well thought out decision that wasn't made out of desperation--I'm of the opinion Dean has been forging that part of the plan since they started looking for the ingredients--opening the rift right then and agreeing to anything Ketch said was not. So, I totally agree Dean's had a well-reasoned plan why Sam should stay behind, but everything else was just winging it. But, it wouldn't be Supernatural if they weren't winging it and getting themselves into trouble as a result either. I'm quite certain Ketch will end up being the spanner in the works on this one ::shrugs:: 

[S05.E16: Dark Side Of The Moon]

TBH, I don't think Pamela was particularly interested in either of them, but would've been happy to have some fun with both of them.

[S13.E17: The Thing]

13 minutes ago, mertensia said:

How much planning can they do, though? They can't reconnoiter. They can't ask locals.

I'm just saying that every time they act out of desperation instead of taking a minute to prepare, they usually end up in bigger trouble than they already were in. Of course, Dean has no way of knowing exactly what he's walking into on the other side of the rift, but it never hurts to take a minute and double check you got the matches to go with the holy oil. And, instead of making rash deals with idiot psychopaths, maybe take a minute to realize he doesn't have anything to bargain with so you don't need to agree to his every term simply because you're in a hurry and don't want to deal with him at all. ::shrugs::

[S13.E17: The Thing]

TBH, I think Ketch played right into Asmoedeus's plan. Asmodeus wants Jack back so he worked Ketch up and got him pissed off enough that Ketch took his archangel and gave it to the Winchesters so they would have the ingredients they needed to open the rift and bring back Jack. 

3 hours ago, mertensia said:

I completely get why Dean was all "and I'm off. With Senor Psychopath." He's got the tools to get to his mom.  And he sees no reason to wait.

I get why Dean was rushing, it's just that's usually when they get themselves into trouble--when they rush to do something without getting their ducks in a row first. But, it wouldn't be Supernatural if at least one Winchester wasn't rushing in and getting themselves in a pickle as a result, now would it?

[S05.E19: Hammer Of The Gods]

18 minutes ago, Iju said:

i'm confused. did gabriel just take loki's body? did loki actually die in that episode and gabriel took his chance? did gabriel copy loki's look and power? was gabriel loki all along? is loki sharing his body with gabriel together????????

Gabriel created Loki as a form of witness protection after he ran away from Heaven. He'd been hiding out being different tricksters for centuries.

[Castiel: A Multi-Dimensional Wavelength Of Celestial Intent]

1 hour ago, takalotti said:

I am no expert on these details, so I welcome having my interpretation corrected.

When Metatron did his thing and all the angels were booted out of heaven, I figured it was like a "cutting them all off from the Host" sort of thing such that all angels and their grace, whether unified or not, whether in Heaven or on Earth, lost the powers provided by the Host (but not whatever powers are inherent in grace, like healing boo boos).

What I really don’t remember is how it could make sense that angels could get back to Heaven later yet they still don’t have the powers of the Host.

My understanding is that spell forced the angels out of Heaven and sealed it off so they couldn't get back in. The angels still their grace, so they could heal, but their wings were burned off as they fell through the atmosphere, so they couldn't teleport anymore. If there were any angels on earth before the spell was completed, they shouldn't have lost their wings. That's why Lucifer can still teleport, he was in the cage when the fall happened. Yes, they were cut off from the power of Heaven until the backdoor was opened up, but their grace allowed them some power while they were stuck on Earth.

Cass was a special case because his grace was taken and he was sent back to Earth before the spell was completed. Technically, his wings should be in tact, but clearly they aren't. Perhaps not-so-marvy Marv did have Cass fall, burning off his wings, but made sure the fall didn't kill him without his grace to heal him? ::shrugs::

[S13.E17: The Thing]

33 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

Yep. That's what happened in s6.  Still I'm saying that I'm not sure what Sue was meaning in her comment. Hopefully, she'll come around and clarify it for the both of us.

I think @SueB was simply suggesting that the reason Cass could heal Dean from the Jefferson Starships in S6--and maybe couldn't have cured Claire of werewolf-ism in S12--was because he had access to a bunch of soul power in S6 which made him more powerful and able to do more. 

ETA: TBH, I'm not sure I agree. I mean, I agree Cass was more powered up in S6, but Jefferson Starships were basically like any other monster in that they were mutated humans. I'd say that werewolf-ism is also virus-like, it just spreads by bite instead of being airborne. I think Cass probably can cure werewolf-ism as long as it's in it's early stages like the Jefferson Starship was for Dean. I would say by the time they called Cass and got him there, it would've been probably too late for him to do anything to help Claire except be moral support.

[S13.E17: The Thing]

54 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

So I'm just not quite seeing what the souls had to do with his power overall throughout s6 which is how I interpreted her comment and asked her about it.

S6 was all about the souls and how they powered Heaven, Hell and Purgatory. The more souls you had, the more power you had.  Cass may not have used the souls from Purgatory throughout the season, but he was using Hell's soul power to wage his war against Raphael as part of his bargain with Crowley until they found Purgatory. Without Crowley's help, Cass would've never been able to stand up to Raphael in the first place, let alone wage a war with him for almost two years. 

[S13.E17: The Thing]

17 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

I thought that was only about the power for an army not Cas' personal power. He didn't absorb the souls he had been to Purgatory. I'm not really following what you mean here.

Cass absorbed the souls from Purgatory at the end of S6 in order to power up and beat Raphael. He returned most of those souls at the start of S7 once he realized he couldn't control that much power, but the Levis hung on. So, yes, it was personal power, not to power his army. 

ETA: Crowley also loaned him 50,000 souls from Hell at the beginning of the season in order to power up to make his stand against Raphael. But, that wasn't enough power to defeat him, only enough to give a show of force to get other angels to follow him.

[S13.E17: The Thing]

3 hours ago, AwesomO4000 said:

Ah, okay... I guess the writers changed canon then. I'll have to go back and see what the wording is. If Asmodeus said something about needing an archangel to kill an archangel, it could be about the blade, since presumably without an archangel there wouldn't be a blade. But then again, even that's not necessarily true, because a "god upgrade" will also do it. After ingesting the purgatory souls, Castiel was able to smite Raphael rather easily, no blade required.

My reading of it was that if you want to kill an archangel with an archangel blade, you need another archangel to wield the archangel blade. I'm sure there are other ways an archangel can die, though. From The Devil's Bargain transcript:

Asmodeus: The only known weapon capable of destroying an archangel -- the archangel blade.
Ketch: You'll forgive me, but my reading of the lore suggests that the... blade is only effective if wielded by an archangel.
Asmodeus: Oh, really? Thanks for the news flash. Allow me to make an introduction. Mr. Ketch... Meet the Archangel Gabriel.

[S13.E17: The Thing]

13 minutes ago, Katy M said:

Didn't he go to college on a baseball scholarship, or am I thinking of someone else?

No, he didn't go to college on a baseball scholarship, but he did play baseball in high school--and a couple other sports too, I believe.

[S13.E17: The Thing]

19 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

Except Sam and Dean only found out which ingredients they needed when Donatello translated the tablet.  The Men of Letters didn't have access to the tablet.  How did they know what to use and where would they get arch angel grace?

I had a big eye roll at the archangel grace too. I mean, I can imagine the spell was noted someplace else other than just the demon tablet, but where the MoL would've gotten the archangel grace is beyond me. I mean, it's not likely that any of them gave up their grace willingly, so did they capture an archangel and steal it's grace. Um, okay, sure.

8 minutes ago, Katy M said:

Also, where did they get something that had been in that other dimension?

You didn't need something that had been in the other dimension to open the rift, you only needed it to help guide you to the right one. Which, I got the impression they didn't get the right one and that's how they ended up with the tentacle monster instead of the god they were hoping for.

[S13.E17: The Thing]

20 minutes ago, Wayward Son said:

I have a question for the Dean centric fans. Have his emotional ups and downs made sense for you this season??

At the start of the season he was depressed over the loss of Mary and Cas. I understood that. When Cas returned he perked up, which I found understandable. When they learnt Mary was alive he became maniac to the point he threatened a teen girl with a gun, which made sense to me. 

However, after their trip to the bad world he became mr relaxed and in relative good cheer and then in this episode he’s went back into maniac “we can’t wait, I must go now mode!” Have his emotional ups and downs between Wayward Sisters and now made sense to you? They haven’t to me, but then I’m not a big Dean fan so I could be missing nuances hence this question lol. 

I wouldn't call myself a Dean-centric fan--or any-centric fan--but I think it does make a certain amount of sense. I mean, I don't think they really smoothed it out very well, but I think Dean just got manic and impatient when there was something to do. Like with Kaia, they were standing around talking when they could've been getting to Mary. But once they ended up in The Bad Place, it was time to switch to survival mode and Mary had to go on the back burner since they had no way to get to her anyway. Then once they got back, they still didn't have a way to get to Mary. I think he was still just as motivated to get to Mary but there was nothing to be done about it until Ketch gave them the archangel grace. Then Dean's back in action mode. I actually think it's kinda Dean's standard operating procedure. 

[S13.E17: The Thing]

I found the episode to be entirely predictable and boring--I kept checking to see how much longer it was going to take to finish--and I stayed away from all the previews and spoilers this time as an experiment to see if the episode would be more of a surprise. It wasn't.

Personally, I thought Sam and Dean were pretty dumb throughout the entire episode, too. First, they unchain a 100-year-old woman without as much as a question of what she was doing there in the first place; which, of course she's a monster, come on guys! Then they open the rift without taking two seconds to talk to Gabriel first. And, there is no reason why Ketch is still alive. At the very least I would've locked him in the dungeon, at most I'd have shot him in the head, but I definitely wouldn't have allowed him to cross the rift with me. Whatever.

Anyhoo, I guess it was an inoffensive episode, it just seemed to drag on and on and on and on and on... .

12 hours ago, Katy M said:

I couldn't help picturing  a bottle of mustard and a bottle of ketchup fighting.

What a ridiculous fight too. I mean, what a waste of angel grace. Even without the angel grace Ketch is no match for Asmodeus. 

12 hours ago, Jeddah said:

So who were the rest of the hooded figures outside? 

I believe they were the decedents of the original group who summoned the creature. 

11 hours ago, Castiels Cat said:

Nyet nyet nyet! They already said only a fcking archangel can use an archangel blade so why can Letch use it.

Only an archangel can use it to kill another archangel, but I suspect it works like any other angel blade in non-archangel hands--meaning, you can kill some things, but not other things.

[S13.E16: ScoobyNatural]

19 hours ago, SueB said:

I swear this is not just ‘Pollyanna SueB’ when I say I thought they did a good job with all theee animations.   Maybe it’s because it was Dean’s voice but I saw nothing odd about the way the character looked.   I will say his animated face is a mixture both square jaw hero cartoon face and honestly, some girlish features (lips and eyelashes).  They got the nose right I thought.   Is it the jaw too wide?   What is it for those who don’t see Dean in the animation?

I thought the animation was just fine. I wouldn't say they captured Jared or Misha any better than Dean, but I could tell who they were--and not just from their voices--and that's what's important here, IMO. Sure, Jensen would probably be easier to capture in a different style of animation, but this wasn't an artistic study of Jensen and they had to work in the style of Scooby Doo. IMO, the animators did a fantastic job.

[Ratings And Scheduling: I Can't Do This Alone]

13 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Is there a big difference between Sunday night football and Thursday night football?

I don't have the numbers, but my understanding is that Sunday Night Football draws a much larger audience than Thursday Night Football.

[Spoilers With Speculation]

16 minutes ago, Jakes said:

Here's something to ponder:

 

In Jared's instagram announcement about season 14 below it is a comment by MATT COHEN saying that he can't wait to be back!  So is that Michael related?

Or, John-related. I've been saying for a couple years that they could do something with Matt Cohen as John since JDM has been unavailable. Of course, I don't think he could play their father now, but depending on the story, they could do some wee Winchester flashbacks with Matt.