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Not wanting your newlywed wife to show her breasts on the the honeymoon, is not slut shaming or misogyny. Its normal. What man thinks that is cool? If a guy walked around naked during the honemoon, showing woman his junk, I think the wife wouldnt be down with it. If both people are nudist, thats different. Is Julio a nudist? Here in CA you can walk around naked, legally. She wants to be all high and mighty but show men her breasts. Shes fake. She just wants to look moral. Why did the experts force newlyweds to honeymoon together? To live together. To become intimate friends? Thats asking for trouble. Would this have ever happened if these couples were separate, like before?

This is what it has to do with it: She is acting all high and mighty and like the Moral Queen. Pure. But on her honeymoon she shows her breasts to other men. Why be fake? I've been on nude beaches and stuff and have no problems but like I would not want to do that on my honeymoon. Karla should not be so judgmental. Her issue is that Madison had 2 men, and Karla had none. The one the experts gave her, kept on calling her, "bro". So now she has something to say. Shes fake. Michelle too. If you did something in the past, just keep quiet. You dont have to encourage the bad behavior. Generally speaking, Tom HAS kept quiet. I think he struck the perfect balance. Karla on the other hand... Actually, Madison said she likes metrosexuals who dress well. That is why she chose David.

Its called hypocrisy. If you murdered people you dont get to complain about murderers. A former cheater cant rag on someone for flirting. Or else his cheating might be thrown back in his face. I actually dont judge Thomas and think he is a nice guy. But I cant stand hypocrisy or gaslighting. Michelle is faking that she is hurt over David's flirting and Karla is faking being all high and mighty. Its like so fake. Everybody just wants to look moral on TV.

I think Karla is fake. I base this on being part of the yoga community for decades. She sounds exactly like my friends that own yoga studios. Word for word. Its like their is a script. Reiki, Soundhealing, astrology, tarot cards, angel cards, cacao ceremonies, kirtan, breathwork. Even her affect is exactly the same. With the quiet, breathy talk. Also here is something else that pure Karla did on the show. On the honeymoon she went topless for a while in front of everybody, and laughed about it. Why did she show people her breasts but now wants to act high and mighty?

Nobody is defending cheaters. I've been cheated on. I've never cheated. But I didnt see cheating. I saw flirting. Both Madison and David betrayed Allen. But why exaggerate what happened? And why isnt anybody blaming the experts or Production for this? Who forced them to live with other couples. Nobody is defending Madison. She was in the wrong. David was not married so there was no betrayal to Michelle, only a betrayal to Allen. Why is being accurate about what we verified happening being described as "defending cheaters"?

Everybody is putting Karla on a pedestal after finding her annoying the entire season. She better not have ever cheated in her life. She is very judgmental. It is really envy? She was really into Juan, but Juan kept calling her "bro", so she gave up. Is Karla friends with anyone else who has cheated? Sorry, Thomas admitted to cheating. I am not hearing anything he is saying about this. If you have cheated in the past, you have no standing to say anything without it being thrown right back in your face. So what he says doesnt matter. Thomas could have waited too, instead of actually cheating- which we dont know if David and Madison even have. We know they flirted and texted.

Why do the newlyweds have to live with each other? If they didnt all together with each other, this would have never happened. David would have flirted with a different woman outside the cast. So ultimately its the producer's fault.

If someone treats me like a *********** and doesnt hold my hand, and then publicly treats me like a *********** why should I have any obligation to them? Because I took some fake vow on TV. If someone treats me like shit, I'm giving them back that energy. I dont have to treat them nicely. Michelle deserved to be humiliated. Cheating means you actually have a relationship to cheat on. Michelle checked out on day one. The experts kept on trying to force the issue, so why dont you blame them. Why do they force newlyweds to hang out with each other? What did they think was going to happen?

Didnt the Twin admit to having an affair? Whats he going to say to David that doesn't sound hypocritical. Did any of the other contestants ever cheat? Maybe Madison and David should to detective work.

You lost me at Pastor Cal said. He part of the reason why they are in this situation.

You dont want to blame the people who are really at fault: The Producers. Why do they force newlyweds couples to live together? Why do they force the couples to stay together in toxic relationships so they have enough material for the season? Why do they fine members who leave the marriage early? This was bound to happen; I'm shocked that this did not happen in prior seasons. Couples should be able to leave the marriages with no penalty. Newlywed couples should not be living together or hanging out together. I think Karla hated that there were 2 men fighting over Madison. Actually her man was David's bro too. So three men. But no man liked Karla. So I question her motives. Maybe Karla is moral and pure. But Juan was like treating her like the friend you let sit in the back of the car. So maybe she was jels and wanted to put Madison down. The only person who really has standing is Allen. He was the one who was betrayed. Karla was going nowhere with anybody. Madison was. It might be as simple as that.

See. This is why she is single. If I was dating Michelle, I would have put her in her place in week 2. I dont allow people to treat me badly. I dont tolerate any negative behavior. I'm not saying David is a great catch, but was it so hard for her to treat him like he is human? Who on this thread would tolerate being treated like David? Its her fault why David flirted with Madison. Allen deserves a metal for holding back. I think he was very restrained for having a broken heart and lashing out. He could have punched David instead. I dont consider what he did as losing self control. What would any man do when finding out their wife might be cheating? They would punch something at some point. He can pay to fix those cabinets. And he wasnt an arsonist like you implied. The man was in his feelings. And handled it well. He was betrayed by his wife and his bestie. How was he supposed to react? Like he was an auditor at a board meeting?

Why does this bother you. Its the expert's fault. They should have paired David with Madison, and Allen with Em or someone who likes him romantically. The experts always do this, then the contestants get blamed. Why do they live together. Who made that decision. Its just tempting fate. David and Madison deserve each other-however that turns out. It sucks that Allen got treated this way. If they are actually in love with each other, then no. Human emotion doesnt work that way. If production didn't force them to live together, than yes, I would blame David.

Keep telling yourself lies. I would have had sex after the third week if some person was constantly insulting me and refusing to hold my hand. It takes two to dance. And there is no way I would pay $50K to bail on some rudegirl. Who does Michelle think she is? She was pissed Basement David got with a hotter woman. Her ego was bruised. Lets keep it real. Would you keep dating someone who refused to hold your hand and found your repulsive? Or hook up with someone who found you beautiful? What if you had to pay a $50K fine to not date the person you found repulsive. Why dont you blame Production for this mess?

Cmon man. Michelle is repulsed and dead inside. Why lie about how she feels? Are you going to pay the $100K fine for them to break the marriage? If not, I dont think you have much standing. You dont want to blame Production but that is the only reason why they stay in toxic relationships. You dont see the "Experts's" interventions to get them to stay in their toxic marriages? You dont think they are to blame?