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2 hours ago, farmgal4 said:
If Josie receives no intervention, which I would bet money that she won’t, will she be able to live independently someday?
Is that an important consideration for her parents? Seems like you're expecting an awful lot when they're already concerned that she dresses properly, wears her hair the most pleasing way, eventually marries well and promptly begins birthing grandbabies to ensure they achieve an eyepopping amount to parade in front of any and everybody.
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21 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:
I’ve just been catching up on the bar exam discussion on previous pages. It’s unfortunate, if Derick took it and didn’t pass, but there’s no shame to that. Plenty of people don’t pass the first time. There were a couple of students in my class, who I believe were ranked higher than me, who didn’t pass the first time. Sometimes, I think nerves can hurt you. I saw people throwing up outside the test site building before the exam. It’s pretty brutal.
I didn’t take it in Arkansas though….I’m licensed in NC. I hope Derick asked for advice. I asked quite a few friends who had recently passed the bar their advice and then I took it. The best advice that worked for me was to treat Bar exam prep like a full time job. I had worked full time jobs before, so I knew how. Lol. My roommates and I read, studied and quizzed each other 7 days a week all day into late night. Few breaks to eat and use the bathroom. We attended Barbri prep classes five days a week, as well. Someone upthread mentioned Derick took this.
I wish him success on his next attempt. Trying to study with lots of distractions would be challenging. I hope he figures out a solution.
Recently had an interesting conversation regarding the unique challenges of taking the LSAT remotely under Covid provisions. If the bar is also being offered remotely and is accompanied by a similar list of security measures I'd have to imagine the failure rate could be higher than normal.
As an example, imagine undertaking an academically rigorous exam while needing to maintain your head and face position within narrow confines of camera frame every single moment -- and that's only one of the measures being used to maintain security on the remote LSATs. Younger DD's Covid college semesters meant remote exams via software with security measures for monitoring and recording so that professors could go through them later as "proctors" as part of grading. Apparently it was discovered immediately that perfectly normal human behavior was triggering the software to flag every single students' account as suspected cheating, including sneezing, moving closer to the screen to read a question, needing to look down to the keyboard to type or moving lips while reading questions. Professors gave up because they were spending dozens of extra hours monitoring "cheating" that didn't exist.
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On 9/5/2021 at 2:01 PM, ozziemom said:
Jurisdictions and the buddy system were designed only to help Meechelle. Apparently her only interest was in being pregnant and then nursing for 6 months. None of this was to train the Jslaves in anything but obedience and subservience to their parents. So really, it’s no wonder they now struggle with tasks that seem simple or easy to us. But the smugness of Jessa is still annoying.
Undeniably the perfect mate to the JB system that was designed to ensure he's in control in perpetuity, with the indentured servants/children rendered completely unable to pursue making their own way in the world, or even having the capacity to imagine they could possibly do so. Establishes the legacy and image of JB to forever loom large in the minds of his offspring.
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Considering how much his smug face sets my teeth on edge AND makes me think he's very much in the mold of Josh, I do have to take note of the fact that JD and Abbie left their precious little girl with these two -- and that Jeb was the one who first noticed Gracie was calling for water. Neither one of those things would have been true about Josh. Hopefully those are some glimmers of positivity with a baby on the way, because in this family that can't be taken for granted.
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On 8/15/2021 at 11:40 PM, Nysha said:
Does the warrant have to stipulate why they're confiscating the electronics?
The application for the warrant does have to spell out the reason for the search, which is discoverable to the defense team in trial prep.
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2 hours ago, MargeGunderson said:
I do think it’s interesting that no one in the family has made any public announcement that Josh is innocent. That could be on advice of a public relations advisor, but I think if they really wanted to say something, they would.
No doubt the legal team put out instructions that any comments about the case will be issued solely by them. That's common in many cases that get any kind of media coverage, let alone one with guaranteed media coverage by virtue of a prior public profile.
If it comes down to it post conviction or post conviction via plea, any potential of a future TV deal might require public acknowledgement of Josh's guilt by the family members involved in the project. That's easier to do if you haven't opened your mouth and asserted belief in his innocence previously. That information may have been given to the family through network connections, production company sources, legal connections, PR sources, etc.
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17 hours ago, Churchhoney said:
I feel I know so little about Josh that I have absolutely no idea whether he is now or has ever been a person who would do that or whether he's a person who's delusional, basing his decisions on some stupid image that's inside his own head.
I don't know Josh, but I do know that predators tend to develop keen instincts over time in service of satisfying their drive while protecting their own hides at all costs It seems his lead attorney is well-versed in these types of cases, so would no doubt be very familiar in dealing with these types of personalities. I would guess he's spoken very plainly to Josh and broken things down for him and talked to him on a level Josh has never experienced before. I can't see how Josh could avoid the realization he's swum out far beyond the home church, homeschool and JB Duggar, Inc boundaries and probably flailing desperately for any glimmer of self preservation.
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17 hours ago, Absolom said:
It will be Josh's decision, but if JB cuts off the money, Josh might end up going to trial with a different legal team or changing his mind.
Given the complexity of these types of cases a significant amount of money was likely paid upfront with contractual agreement in place. Courts are sticky about attorney withdrawals as cases are coming down to the wire for good reason -- left to their own whims defendants will use this as a stalling tactic. Attorneys are also generally careful about putting measures in place to secure their revenue stream.
It's very likely JB has already bid a sad farewell to a significant amount of money for lawyers, investigators and experts. All of these professionals are aware they're dealing with people who stand accused as criminal defendants. They may be given the protection in court of being seen as innocent until proven guilty, but that doesn't extend to forcing the defense team to do their job and simply hope they'll get paid.
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On 8/29/2021 at 1:51 PM, BigBingerBro said:
The reasoning in the article is entirely plausible.
Bottom line, the only one who will make the call about going to trial or not, no matter what kind of pressure and advice will be given will be Josh. Smartest move is to follow precisely what his lead attorney recommends because it's the one place he's guaranteed to receive informed and knowledgeable counsel from someone with no other agenda than achieving the optimal outcome.
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2 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:
My daughter is still going through her divorce. The other day they tried to hammer out custody as per their lawyers. He wants their youngest son on 7 days and off 7 days. Since he has never been willing to help with homework or even insist that it’s completed, my kid doesn’t think that’s what’s best. Her soon to be ex doesn’t value education and she married into a family that the highest level is high school. In my family everyone is expected to attain a college degree that will lead to some profession. Cut to the other kids. He stated that he thinks they are old enough not to need a father and wants nothing to do with him. He literally said he doesn’t care about them, seeing them or supporting them. That broke their hearts. Mostly the not caring to see them. The granddaughter is special needs and he also refuses to give her any financial support even though she will never be able to have a job or live on her own. The whole thing is heartbreaking. I’m trying to stay out of the details and just be there for her in whatever capacity she needs me.
My girl also has bad kidney stones (again) and this time might require surgery as the lithotripsy didn’t do the trick when she had it last year. Please pray for her. The stress is taking my good natured child into a nervous wreck and I’m sure it isn’t helping her health. I have offered to do whatever is necessary so she doesn’t have to worry about the three kids. She goes for a second CT scan today an they will decide what treatment she needs after the results come in.
PS Her ex is now living with the lady he had an affair with and her 3 kids.If it eases your mind at all it is very likely the Court will take into account the "father's" attitude about the older kids when making a decision regarding the best interest of the youngest. It would definitely be taken into account here.
Good luck to your daughter with the custody issues and the kidney stones.
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18 hours ago, Zella said:
Yes I was trying to figure out why it looked weird to me, and this is exactly it.
Note: not saying gray hair is inherently weird. It can be really pretty! What she ended up with just looks super murky and I am pretty sure that is not what she was aiming for.
It washes her out.
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11 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:
Those kids tend to drop off to sleep whereever they are. I doubt the lack of bedrooms is an issue for these people.
Unfortunately you speak true.
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1 hour ago, ginger90 said:
Not only no masks, but even toting an extra potential Covid spreader or recipient along to film this very vitally necessary informational video.
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9 minutes ago, Jeeves said:
Thanks for this. It's about what I thought (and hoped) the situation would be as to JB's role in Josh's defense. Essentially he's writing the checks. And, as you said, no doubt still pushing Josh around and bullying him for information.
JB has to be well aware that, despite his very best efforts for many, many years now, Josh has not and is not someone his tactics have been capable to bring to heel. He knows darn well that Josh is entirely capable of deceiving him, no matter how many measures JB puts in place. Even threatening to pull the financial support for the legal defense would pretty clearly be an empty threat, because Josh isn't unaware that JB's image and legacy are on the line right along with Josh's freedom.
The sole person IMO who has any hold over Josh currently is his lead defense attorney, who has no doubt spelled things out for him in chilling detail -- and who is the only one with any ability to improve Josh's odds at all.
If Josh is sharing anything with JB it's either what his lawyer has spoonfed him as free to share, or whatever nonsense Josh dreams up to pacify JB the emperor with no clothes. The great danger being that JB can be compelled to testify. It would be hella entertaining to watch JB get grilled on the stand and very confidently share some info that Josh confided in him because he's sure it exonerates him -- only to have it shredded as patently false under blistering cross examination by the prosecution.
It will be interesting to see if this goes to trial, or if the brakes come on at the very last chance and they attempt to cut a deal. If they don't make any ground excluding evidence a plea becomes more and more likely to stem the bleeding.
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16 hours ago, Lady Jane said:
I just want to note that even if JB is paying the bills, that does not change attorney-client confidentiality. He may tell the lawyers what he wants them to do, but their only ethical obligations are to the court and to Josh. They cannot discuss THEIR impressions or strategy with JB.
16 hours ago, GeeGolly said:Even if Josh gives them permission?
16 hours ago, ginger90 said:I’m thinking it’s not a good idea. Discussions covered under confidentiality would go out the window if someone else was included, I would think. Then, that person could be called as a witness, and questioned about a meeting.
*Not an attorney, never a defendant. 😁
16 hours ago, Lady Jane said:Well, Josh could give them "permission" but that would remove the attorney-client protection. If you disclose confidential information covered by attorney-client privilege, the disclosure to ANY third party (including your parents, spouse, children, ANYONE) invalidates the privilege for that information.
I have beat the rules of confidentiality into innumerable clients, only to have them go home and tell their dad/mom/spouse/dog-walker about the confidential information in their case. That makes whatever they told these third parties no longer covered by the attorney-client privilege, and fully discoverable by the other side.
So yes, Josh and JB are dumb enough to ignore this.
An attorney worth their salt isn't going to be dumb enough to ignore this. To do so would open up not only ineffective assistance of counsel appellate issues, but grounds to pursue malpractice claims.
From what I've heard about lead counsel on Josh's case and what I've seen watching criminal defense attorneys practice over the years is that, particularly among high profile/top dollar attorneys, they compose the tune the client dances to -- particularly when dealing with personalities with tendencies to control and manipulate, such as addicts and/or sexual predators. These attorneys are successful precisely because of their specific skillset and they don't suffer fools gladly and aren't even a little bit shy about bringing their own propensity to control the situation in service of their ultimate goal -- winning the case outright, or at the very least achieving the optimal outcome possible in the circumstances for their client.
JB is limited to whatever crumbs he is able to bully out of Josh -- while Josh has no doubt received very no nonsense and intense instructions about keeping his mouth shut, period. Wouldn't be one bit surprised to find out that JB has been told in no uncertain terms to stay out of it and keep his mouth shut or risk the attorney walking away and washing his hands.
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Process and procedure are quite often the primary focus of legal skirmishes, NOT facts and evidence. This is even more true in the appellate phases. That's precisely how Cosby was freed.
When a defense attorney cannot overcome factual evidence the only option is to pull out all stops to either attack the process in the hopes of precluding the evidence from coming in altogether, or find another means to attack the technicalities of the entire procedure of a case as a whole, either pretrial, during trial -- or in worst case scenario post conviction. A defense attorney has a lot of road to cover before coming anywhere close to violating any rules or laws by zealously advocating on behalf of their client by the filing of a stream of motions, no matter how frivolous or nonsensical they seem from the perspective of common sense logic. Judges may even get ticked off, grumble, complain and threaten, but generally they put up with it in order not to open any space for appeal or reversal on some kind of technicality from a reviewing court simply on the basis of some type of ruling regarding an attorney's actions in the attempt to mount a strong defense. Appeals can be granted on the basis of ineffective assistance of counsel if a showing is made that a defense attorney did not thoroughly present all options to the client or did not elect to take various potential actions in an effort to advocate for their client.
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3 minutes ago, Absolom said:To me it would be worse if he were producing the material rather than collecting and viewing. Josh could have turned into a serial rapist/murderer and that would have been worse.
I think Josh was a bad seed and I can see it both ways. His upbringing may have kept him somewhat in check or his parents over sexualization of life could have spurred him on. I don't expect to get an answer from them.
It shouldn't be forgotten that many predators escalate over time because their drive requires ever increasing "thrills" for satisfaction. Not uncommon for looks to eventually tempt to touches, etc. All the monsters should be regarded as scary.
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5 hours ago, Spazamanaz said:
I have to agree with you on this. You're right, some are born broken. Along with everything that has been said about Josh (which I agree with) , I think he also has a lack of empathy.
The notion of empathy -- or of compassion, charity and many of the other positive attributes ironically haven't been truly led in the slightest by the stellar example of their (self proclaimed) parental units who claim to have given so much focus to helping their children follow the right path. The witness they actually demonstrated of caring for others and having a heart for others was nothing but a warped and empty display for public attention and acclaim. It would be remarkable for any of the 19 to actually embrace those positive attributes with sincerity and back it up with action after a lifetime of being taught those are only empty words.
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18 hours ago, laurakaye said:
I wonder if Jinger even has Clue One that she's married to a narcissistic man-baby. She has nothing to compare him to, and I doubt she has the presence of mind to speak against him when he goes out in public dressed like Pee-Wee Herman, or fancies himself a David Beckham/Joel Osteen combo, or places Felicity just so behind a hedge so he can photograph the top of her head. His agency is her agency. If she really wants privacy, she has to want it on his terms - in other words, no privacy because how is Jeremy supposed to get famous otherwise? I'd also be sketched out by the insane amount of selfies this man takes - who is he trying to impress? Those aren't for Johnny Mac.
It will be interesting to see where these two are in a couple of years.
She had the ultimate example growing up -- JB. She probably thinks Jeremy is simply more modern version.
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36 minutes ago, laurakaye said:
Sick.
Given the insulated nature of this family, training the kids to NOT become close to each other is disgusting. Eventually they will only have each other - JB and Meech won't be around forever. Then what? The Hunger Games - Fundie Edition?
Not that there's going to be any big jackpot in JB's will or anything, but I can't fathom the idea of having a huge bunch of semi-literate spawn dorking around all over the place, unable to find real or meaningful work because they've all had any individuality driven from them from babyhood. How will they know what they want to do if JimBlob isn't telling them what they want to do?
But then what would onlookers say -- perhaps that JB was the great brains and talent that made the family successful and they can't manage without him? Seems entirely onbrand to me.
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15 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:
Ridiculous headline. Every criminal defendant has the right to see and hear all the evidence against them in the discovery process -- usually while criticizing the turnover as incomplete, the evidence as weak or incorrect, and the prosecution as wrong or biased and/or on a witch hunt. The headline is literally every criminal defense argument.
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1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:
Lauren definitely looked pregnant at Jed's wedding. I wonder if she's given birth. And if they are staying private, how will JB & M count their grandchildren? Just throw in that extra number with no mention of the kid?
I'm sure they will be sure to focus on the truly important aspect -- the number. It is what gave them status in the first place.
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8 hours ago, GeeGolly said:
Do we know if the Rods attended that week long Baptist retreat in Ohio? The one that brewed an outbreak of 30+ covid cases? They're estimating more but the folks who ran the retreat aren't cooperating, so contact tracing is more difficult.
Sounds like a genuine concern for life in the midst of a pandemic with a very contagious and dangerous variant lurking and waiting for an opportunity to spread. Is that encouraging life, or does that only apply to pregnancy centers?
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23 hours ago, SMama said:
The Duggars are not fundie, they are part of a cult.
The cult of JB, designed by JB, in service of JB, with the intention to boost the ego and preserve the ego of JB.
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Jed! and Katey: Biblically Bunking Together
in Counting On
I must live a very sheltered life. Not only did I not know that taking pregnancy tests in public bathrooms happens frequently, it has never crossed my mind as occurring at all.