Noneofyourbusiness

Sell? Do you mean ransom back to them? I can't think of any other reason he'd want to sell a baby he thought was his rather than either raise him or just leave him with his mother.

They were converts. Truth in television. ...that's a very good idea. Why did no one think of that before? Although if Father Alexandre is such a rules martyr, he might object and tell everyone Roger's not qualified because he didn't want his life saved by deception.

Yes, he plays Lyman Beesbury, the Master of Coin on King Viserys I's small council.

He's playing Ser Harrold Westerling, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. House Westerling is an old house in the Westerlands and bannermen of the Lannisters. In the books, Robb Stark's wife was Jeyne Westerling (Game of Thrones replaced her with Talisa Maegyr of Volantis, an original character). A historical Jeyne Westerling was also one of the six wives of Maegor the Cruel, the third Targaryen king.

I think it was the blood sacrifice that gave her more control.

I think she was talking about them when she said some would last months or years but they'd all die out eventually. But that doesn't make a great amount of sense, since they should be more organized that any tone-zombies that managed to survive killing off each other and might wander into an outlier camp.

I agree, I think that comes out in his performance.

Or it seems like it's breaking its own rules, only to reveal that what we thought was the Sublime was really happening in the real world and the test already happened between seasons...

Well, they were never meant to have the level of self-awareness that's needed to give the impression of being a non-animatronic human, just perform menial tasks in the park labs. We haven't seen evidence that the Drones have pearls, either.

William wasn't trying to get rid of them efficiently or clean anything up. The murder spree was the point. Her name is spelled Dolores. The point is Halores's Cavil-esque contempt for all things human. The way the new bodies would live was never elaborated on. Making them armless seems more aesthetic than practical (like the writers were thinking, "What alien form would a robotic consciousness design for itself?"), though the Drone Hosts could of course do all the lifting for them.

Elsie, Felix, Caleb, Uwade, Frankie, that woman named Marti who hung out with Teddy, Lee wasn't too bad at least after interacting with Maeve, probably Arnold...

They realized how fucked up Halores's world was after understanding how the humans were enslaved and manipulated, and couldn't stand to live in it anymore. She was fatally overconfident and thought he could never betray her. Given that she herself turned against Dolores and Dolores turned against Ford, she should have known better. But that's hubris for you. In a way it's the opposite of Battlestar Galactica, because that ended with the Messengers predicting that the cycle wouldn't repeat again. It was a much more positive and optimistic message. Season 5 is going to have to do a lot of work to redeem this finale for me.

At the time that Dolores sent the Sublime to the dam, it was maintained in trust by the people William took it from at the beginning of the season. Now it's maintained by the security robots Bernard and Maeve fought. It is guarded, as we saw. But the robots themselves will also need maintenance to survive into the future, which wasn't a problem when Halores was alive but should be now. Assuming any survived after fighting with Maeve and Bernard, since we didn't see them attempt to stop William, though that could also be because he was authorized. Even if all the security bots are gone now, as Chicago Redshirt said, some Drone Hosts might go there on occasion for maintenance and repair. And they can hypothetically maintain and repair each other, too.

Also, Stubbs outright told her that the rooms were the same as the ones in Westworld for the project to turn a human into a Host. Same difference in her mind, especially since she so wanted to reunite with him. Not unlike what William said to Halores, or Daniel Graystone's line in the Caprica pilot, "A difference that makes no difference is no difference." I would act much the same way in her place.

No, it means transfer into one of those faceless, armless bodies. We saw a Host "transcending" on a screen Halores was watching last episode, and one who had transcended walking around Host City when Maeve and Bernard went there, and Halores about to make the transfer with one of those bodies standing behind her chair. She didn't have the password to get into the Sublime, and as she said to Maeve last episode and William in this one, she wanted the Hosts who were in the Sublime to come join her in the real world. As opposed to the other way around.

I think he wanted a dignified end by not having her see him degenerate. Having her shoot him would arguably be a dignified end, yes, but also traumatizing for her. I can see why he wouldn't want her to have to do that. To be honest, I never found William going from nice guy to sociopath believable. Sociopaths just aren't that good at hiding it, and wouldn't emphasize with and point out Dolores's personhood the way William clearly did at first.

Not the whole season, but it didn't go in the interesting directions it could have. On an unrelated note, the first thing I thought when I saw the episode's title was that it should be "Que Serac, Serac".

And I was hoping for his assumption that the way Bernard was acting meant he was going to die to be subverted (not least because Bernard himself died), or Bernard to just be wrong, but no. It was face value. See, writers, that's the sort of thing where the story actually does benefit from a twist.

In retrospect, it adds a dimension to Host William telling Halores that living as William has made them functionally the same and if she can't tell the difference then there isn't one, if he's also talking about her becoming Hale. But if that was the writers' thinking, then I feel like they didn't do enough to get it across.

He'd say you have no appreciation for a beautiful machine. ;)

Despite being set outside the parks, this season has felt smaller than Seasons 1 and 2. Not just in terms of the expansiveness of the setting but of inhabitation: this show has a bad habit of introducing interesting characters and then if not killing them off like Elsie and Sizemore then having them disappear without an explanation, like Felix, Sylvester, Akane, Armistice and Ash (Lena Waithe). Now here's what seems like a truly ludicrous prediction: Bernard knowing that William would hit him and Maeve straight in the pearl but hit Halores left enough of center for her pearl to be intact. Bernard would have to know the exact angle William would approach and shoot from (which also depends on where in the pool Maeve and Halores would be standing), not to mention that William wouldn't take care to finish the job.

That's one interpretation. But he wanted to keep his dignity and say goodbye before that happened, and she understood that, which fits both their character types. It's not a plot hole, it's who they are. If you'd choose to do things differently, that's because you're not them, not a weakness in the writing on that point. Dolores is running a simulation based on Westworld in her own personal world of the Sublime. The other Hosts in there still have their own worlds. There's no limit to how many environments can exist in different corners of the Sublime. That's another question, and a good one. What exactly what going on Clementine's head after she was repurposed was never made clear, or even why she was repurposed instead of killed, or what happened to Maeve's other friends (meaning Hanaryo? Armistice?) after Halores's side "tracked them all down" as Host William said to Maeve. For that matter, why did Maeve and Caleb and the other soldiers who fought with them manage to take out all of Rehoboam's forces in a society-changing rebellion but were apparently content to leave Delos Corporation and William alone for seven years?

That part makes perfect sense. Better for your child not to have to see you flounder and die. It sucks to lose Caleb, though. I think they should have eventually gotten around the problem with making perfect Host copies of humans. It's only a problem for plot reasons anyway, there's no actual science that dictates it wouldn't work, and he was always an outlier. She wanted to know where the outlier community they were fleeing to was. The real question is how she knew the three of them would be in that store. And what on earth she'd do with herself and what would be "out there for [her]" hiding out there alone for the rest of time (assuming that her not planning on cohabitating means she'd kill them all and live in the ruins).

Okay, I've been fairly positive about this season, and a lot of criticisms so far have been off the mark, but this episode has a lot to legitimately criticize. First of all, the idea that the surviving humans are all doomed. The humans who were affected by the tone should be 99% wiped out by each other shortly afterward, and those stragglers that remain won't be numerous or organized enough to pose that kind of threat to communities of outliers or Hosts. And by the way, contrary to what Halores and Clementine said, human outliers and surviving Hosts totally would choose to cooperate with each other in a situation like this; human beings have made strange bedfellows before in a war or a crisis and we've seen mixed groups gather around Maeve in this very show. Then, simulations of what humans are like based on Dolores's memories still won't actually be humans, so their passing or failing a test won't prove anything. At best, she'll have created a new and better form of life that passes the test where real humans didn't pass the real history/might not have passed this new test, which while nice in it's own way, doesn't do humanity any good. And at worst, she'll have created a version that doesn't pass the test because her impression of humanity was too cynical. Head Teddy saying that the humans are not like Hosts and will never change is abrupt and uncalled for, given that the major problems this season (the tyrannical system and the murder spree tone) were both the doing of Hosts, not humans. The humans who actually controlled or visited Westworld and did bad things are all long dead at this point and were always just a particular collection of humans. And Clementine, a Host not a human, was apparently unable to overcome whatever changes Halores had made to her programming after she was captured, unless we're supposed to believe that she wanted all along to be a psycho instead of a nice girl who was Maeve's friend. But the test is redundant because Dolores already came to the conclusion that human beings could change and were worth saving in Season 3 based on her interactions with Caleb. So what Teddy is saying is something she already proved wasn't true a season ago. Resurrecting Maeve had no point. All she did other than saving Frankie from Host Jay (which could have been by another character) was tussle with Halores in a short battle that she lost and which was unnecessary because Host William was the real threat - which again, as I said in last episode's thread, makes it foolish for Bernard not to have focused on taking William out before he could set off the tone; there is no reason given for why that couldn't have been prevented and why there was no scenario where the world didn't end, we're just supposed to take his word for it despite the solution seeming obvious. At no point did Maeve serve as a weapon like Bernard claimed. The fact that there was no usual post-credits scene doesn't bode well for the creators' hopes of a renewal. The post-credits scene from Season 2 remains anomalous, because there's no time interval or reason that Halores would have been putting Host William through a fidelity test since he was never meant to be an exact copy, and it was implied to be taking place in what used to be where the parks were located (if "the system has been gone a long time", it must have been in that place at one point).

One year in the real world is a millennium in the Sublime.