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I'm so conflicted about the expression of 'love' between Will and Hannibal. I read slash all the time, so I like the idea of M/M action, but there is no atom in my body that imagines W&H in a sexual situation or has any desire to see fanart or fanfic of them. What I see onscreen is titillating, but my imagination stops there. However, I wouldn't balk at a tender kiss. So confused!
I totally read Hannibal/Will slash, so I hope they DON'T do that on the show because for me slash is no fun if it's canon. In fact with fan fic in general, for me the fun is "what if this instead of this?"
That said, the way I see it is that Hannibal is after Will's soul, and if he thought sexual seduction would get him what he wants, he would totally use it. But Will's straight so Hannibal has to use every other kind of seduction. I don't think Hannibal can distinguish "in love with" from "wants possession of."
He does, however, have a very solid grasp of "If I can't have you, no one can."
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Interview with Janice Poon:
http://www.hopesandfears.com/hopes/city/food/214499-hannibal-food-stylist-interview
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Got bored and looked up the "real" Hannibal Lecter. He only killed one person, served 20 years, and died peacefully at 81. He caught Tom Harris's attention because he was being allowed to practice medicine while still in prison.
http://knowledgenuts.com/2014/04/20/the-terrifying-hannibal-lecter-was-based-on-a-real-criminal/
http://www.vice.com/read/i-found-the-real-hannibal-lecter-for-thomas-harris
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I wonder how Hannibal is maintaining his personal grooming so well now that he doesn't even have a sink. Does he put his face up to the holes and somebody administers a hot foam shave? I was noticing how clean-shaven and dewy fresh he looked. Nary a hint of five-o-clock shadow.
I guess they could pass an electric razor through the way they do the phone, but I don't know why Alana would allow that if she doesn't allow him a toilet. They must hose him down once a week, which is probably a major production but I think there are health laws that you have to.
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In the book, Freddy was SUPPOSED to be under protection by the time the newspaper hit the stands, but Francis managed to get a copy earlier than they thought possible. They knew Freddy/Chilton was at some risk but assumed Will would be the main target. However, with Chilton's character it seems like he would have insisted on protection the whole time, which Freddy wouldn't have.
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For me the two best parts of this episode were:
1. Watching Hannibal still enjoy the FUCK out of his life - they think they took all his toys, but people are his favorite toys.
2. Will looking so pained at realizing he set Chilton up for that. I thought they did that way better than the book did. In the book I felt like everyone was, "Well, that didn't go as planned. What's next?"
Alana bugs me more than anyone else on this show. It's like she and Bedelia are having a contest to see who can be the worse psychiatrist. I also have absolutely no idea why Will is seeing Bedelia at all. But I still enjoy Gillian Anderson's delivery. She always sounds like she's walking a tightrope.
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Clarice Starling could take out all three of 'em.
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"Brides of Hannibal Smackdown" should be its own spinoff.
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In the book, he asks her to ride with him, then pauses to consider what a normal human being would say, and comes up with "for my pleasure." Because that's what he thinks sounds normal.
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Tenant's Hamlet is well worth it, but Sir Patrick Stewart plays Claudius and just steals the show. He's fucking AMAZING. I'd like to see him as Jack Crawford someday.
Agreed! That version of "Hamlet" was about this guy Claudius whose nephew is causing trouble for him. He also played Claudius in the 1980 version and he was good in that but not as good as in the 2009.
I am old -- my Doctor is Four (Tom Baker.) I thought Tenant was fine but I didn't actually like his Doctor's plot line, for the most part. I really didn't like the way he treated Jack Harkness (John Barrowman.)
Nine is by FAR the best modern Doctor. (Eccleston.) Hands down. Brilliant.
I haven't seen Tenant's "Hamlet", yet, but we have it here at the house.
Tenant is too slight to be Fuller's version of Hannibal. Mads Mikkelsen is perfect with his large (for a dancer) physique. He's a big, powerful guy who looks like he's got that dancer's strength -- just the type to hurl Laurence Fishburne around a kitchen and little Hugh Dancy against a wall. (Oh, wait, that was Armitage who threw Dancy against the elevator wall, wasn't it. Well, I"m sure Mikkelsen has had his share of opportunities to toss Dancy around.)
Baker really defined the role because he played it so long. I'm actually old enough to remember except I don't because that show never aired where I lived while I was growing up.
Let's be honest, throwing Hugh Dancy around isn't that great a physical challenge...
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I'm not a great fan of Tennant. His "Hamlet" was really good, but generally I think he overacts. Chris Eccleston is my Doctor.
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Well, the thing about Hannibal Rising is that everyone said it was godawful so I had really low expectations. It's sure not good but it's not as bad as I expected.
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In Red Dragon he fixes boat engines, so I think the implication is he knows how to sail a ship. Or drive a ship of some sort. They work in a fish and bait shop together (Molly--it's how they meet).
Harrison isn't big on descriptions beyond the usual. Hannibal is small, sleek, maroon eyes, and one hand has six fingers. But then Hopkins took the role and most of that went away since he's none of those things. Will is just described as very ordinary in the books and suntanned from Florida and his job. And I think he has bright blue eyes. And that's it. He tells Molly he will be at the back of the pack when it comes time to catch the killer and she contradicts him and tells him would never so we know he's brave.
The overall impression is an ordinary, but scrappy man. Which is why I do think Norton was ideal casting. Darcy is very pretty. I never realized how pretty until this show but he does his best to downplay it. He's not ridiculously handsome like Henry Cavil or Idris Elba where it just smacks you in the face.
Yes, he has bright blue eyes. "Not handsome but determined-looking," as Dolarhyde puts it. Well, until they're done with him when he has "a face that's hard to look at."
Oh, and I think we can assume he fishes if he works in a bait shop, but he definitely can't have fly-fishing as a hobby since there aren't rivers where he lives. We can't assume he sails because that is a completely different skill set from driving a motor boat.
Hannibal would be impossible to cast as he's described, since maroon eyes don't really exist except in albinos, and they're not gonna find an actor with the left middle finger duplicated. They also disregard his age - he's 41, but no one that young has ever played him. But there are many, many comments about him being graceful and holding himself like a dancer, so I think Mads was perfect.
Dancy has a certain vulnerability to him that he can't seem to hide. I have read that David Tenant had a shot at playing Will Graham. That might have been interesting, too.
Tennant was up for the role of Hannibal Lecter. I'm glad it went to Mads! Tennant is over the top.
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Well I thought we had the best depiction of Molly in any version: pissed at Will for bringing the monster into their lives while acknowledging that it's partly her fault and competent in escaping Dolarhyde's attack without suddenly developing ninja skills.
Are vets really that snooty in America? She seemed to imply that anyone who didn't spend an hour preparing their pets gourmet meals was neglecting them. Particularly when the dog's probably been deliberately poisoned.
Really surprised Will didn't deck somebody (Jack or Alanna presumably, since Hannibal is behind a barrier) when he realised they'd allowed Hannibal to send The Red Dragon after his family.
- She developed the ability to run soundlessly, but otherwise, yeah, that was good.
- The vet was asking about diet changes. If you're feeding them home made and then suddenly switch to canned one day, it could be bad. I don't think she was judging Molly for not making homemade but for the abrupt change.
- I don't know why Will hasn't decked either of them at any number of points yet. That boy needs to drop-kick Jack Crawford right out of his life for good.
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He's converted other people into killers, and Will is really mutable, but he pushes too hard with Will. He just gets too eager and... Okay I'm not sure I can finish that thought without sexual imagery.
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In Manhunter when Hannibal draws parallels between himself and Will it sends the latter running out of the building in a panic, while in Red Dragon he doesn't show any reaction until he stops in the waiting room on his way out and you see that he's sweated through his shirt under the suit jacket. I wish Fuller had kept the former reaction, as it feels like TV Will should take such comparisons far more to heart than the movie versions.
In the book he feels numb. I guess that's a hard one to emote for the screen.
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My 4 current cats don't acknowledge the television. Which is probalby smarter.
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You can tell it's bad because the spoon is on the wrong side of the knife and the napkin is in the wrong place.
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ETA: Does it mention Will Graham taking long solo sloop trips across the Atlantic Ocean and sailing up inland rivers to reach cities that have perfectly good international airports? Again, I kid.
Nah, Hannibal goes to Italy in the third book, and Will is only in the first book. There's no magical transport in the books, since in a book you can just tell the reader how much time has passed.
Actually there's no mention of Will fishing or sailing so far. I think that's all TV Will.
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One of mine had a crush on Christopher Reeve.
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Regarding previous discussion of why Dolarhyde went to Hong Kong for his tattoo and teeth:
So I'm at that part of the book. In the army he was stationed in Seoul and went to Hong Kong on his leaves. It says, "Hong Kong and Kowloon could satisfy any appetite in 1959." Sounds to me like he probably started killing there. He's based in St. Louis, which didn't really have a Chinatown in 1979, since they razed the old one in 1966 and a new one didn't get a good foothold until 1986 - so he had to travel to have it done in any case. Presumably he chose Hong Kong because he was familiar with it. Oh, and yes it cost him a buttload of money (but not as much as you imagine since he actually only had the tail done, not the whole thing - but that wouldn't impress anyone in 2015) and he was in Hong Kong 3 months, so no, it wasn't done all at once. :D
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Has anyone else noticed that Episode 12 "The Number Of The Beast Is 666" that is broadcast on NBC this Saturday (8/22) in the U.S. is listed on NBC's site as being only a half hour long? I checked several other television schedule sites and they all show the same. I know there's a pre-season Football game on prior to Hannibal airing, but please don't tell me NBC would pull a stunt like like. Possibly showing half the episode or coming into the program in progress?
RIght ow NBC has it showing as an hour. So does my local listing.
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He said there was a certain mindset he had to recover. Apparently he thought he was a better profiler while under Hannibal's influence? IDK. I'm re-reading the book now, and I don't see how Hannibal helps him at all. Tells him a couple things Will already knew, then tries to have him killed. In the book you could argue that since Hannibal was the last guy he caught before retiring, he needs to get that mindset back, but on the show, Hannibal was literally driving him insane. On the show it looks like he just missed Hannibal and wanted to see him.
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Small Talk: Let's Chew the Fat
in Hannibal [V]
Do you realize how much trouble Will could have saved himself if he just read "TV Tropes"?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HannibalLecture
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShutUpHannibal