ImpinAintEasy

He looked much bigger than Viserys to me. He was having to crouch to kiss Lyanna. I think it was that they used the same wig as Viserys had. But really, if you think about the show, Kit and Emilia are short. So it's odd to have Rhaegar be some tall hunk of a man. He was a brooding musician, after all. So I pictured him as being lean and lithe.

Jonerys is gender neutral. So when Dany has twins, a boy and a girl, in keeping with the tradition of Rhaegar naming both of his sons Aegon, the twins shall both be named Jonerys. Re: Incest. One thing I hope the show doesn't do is make a big fuss about both or one of them being uncomfortable with it. Don't insert modern day sensibilities into a medieval society. Avunculate marriage would not be considered that unusual in that society. And in this fantasy world, Targaryens wed brother and sister. So Dany especially better not be wierded out by it. As for Jon, even the Starks married first cousins. And of course this isn't to mention that they didn't know each other growing up. They were complete strangers who entered into their relationship willingly.

I think Rhaegar would have had a say in naming him. It does seem odd, though with Rhaegar, it's possible he believed the Prince who Was Promised needed to be king and needed to be named Aegon.

Does anyone else believe the whole "only death may pay for life" blood magic may come into play with Dany's baby? Perhaps Cersei's will be the death that pays for Dany and Jon's to live? Or more likely, either Jon or Dany, if not both. I don't know. I'm thinking there has to be a big gut punch in the final season. I'm thinking the two chosen ones will have to sacrifice someone to ultimately defeat the White Walkers. And I think it will be Jon, even with all of the hints they are dropping about Jon being king. My ultimate tinfoil theory: Arya will kill Jon. "Stick them with the pointy end" was foreshadowing all along. And the comment by Sansa that "Jon's heart will stop" when he sees Arya would fit with that. I have no idea how this would fit into killing the Night King and allowing for baby Jonerys to live, which is why it's crazy, but something has to go wrong for the protagonists. The juxtaposition of Rhaegar and Lyanna with Jon and Dany also made me believe that Jonerys is doomed as well.

I loved the Jon/Theon scene. Someone asked why it took Jon's absolution to snap Theon out of his Reek mindset. I believe it is because Jon is the closest person to Robb/Ned. Theon would have spent a lot of time with him growing up, more so than Sansa. So Jon telling him he was a Stark really gave him the ultimate feeling of forgiveness. I'm not sure it was ultimately what led him to stand up for himself and fight back, but the final shot of him kneeling in the sea and washing the blood from his face felt like a rebirth. Reek is finally gone, and Theon has returned.

Fucking hell! Say what you will about this show, but it still entertains me like no other. I don't know what I'm going to do when it's over. The prequels I wanted to see the most have been shot down by George. I fear nothing will ever replace it. Now for the episode. I wanted more Jonerys sex. More lead up to it. A conversation. Something. Though I did like the juxtaposition of Rhaegar/Lyanna and Jon/Dany. I pray to the old gods and the new that we will get more sex scenes with these two next season. And no, I have zero problems with the incest. I wanted more of Rhaegar and Lyanna. I get that the show will never reveal the full story of those two, as their only importance to the plot right now is that they are Jon's parents and they were married, but there is so much more there than a simple forbidden love story. Too bad GRRM refuses to allow a Robert's Rebellion prequel. I loved seeing Jon stand up for himself and his surrogate father. I'm so sick of honor being treated as though it is a weakness or something to be mocked. Tyrion's stupid plan to convince his batshit crazy sister didn't work. It was never going to work. So Jon not being willing to swear an oath to a woman who would not uphold her own made me happy. Speaking of Cersei, my feelings about her are the same as The Hound's were for the wight whose jaw he caved in. She has lost. But her dumb ass thinks 20,000 sellswords are going to defeat either the army of the dead and their dragons or the combined forces of the rest of the seven kingdoms and their dragons. She may be able to deceive people, and some might construe that as being smart, but for my money she is the stupidest character remaining. Lord Baelish, Ned Stark sends his regards! The pack survives, bitch! Varys was right, chaos is a pit, and you just fell into it. When Qyburn picked up that hand, I was thinking he had found a new one for Jaime. Jaime, finally walks away from Cersei. About damn time! I was hoping he would take the Lannister army with him, though. I guess he didn't trust that Cersei wouldn't try to have him arrested, so he disguised himself and hightailed it out of KL. All roads apparently lead to Winterfell. Which makes me wonder, is that where Winter will fall? Will the army of the dead not make it further south? Somehow I doubt it. Great finale. The best episode of the season, IMO. The extra run time helped. I hope every episode of the final season will be longer, with hopefully the premier and finale at 2 hours in length.

They did have dragon glass. Jorah uses the dragonglass daggers from the beginning, it's what he killed the wight polar bear with. Later, we see the Hound switch from a war hammer to dragonglass daggers when he realizes the hammer is ineffective. Beric and Thoros had fire swords that worked on wights. Jon had Valyrian steel. Only Tormund and Gendry seemed to be without an effective weapon.

The Night King is thousands of years old. I think he could come up with chains somewhere in that time. Either from ships that wrecked North of the Wall, or were attacked. I had no trouble conjuring up a scenario where they found the chains.

Fair point. I wasn't saying the woman was at fault, unless that woman is Mirri Maz Duur. In which case, yes, she is at fault.

So, the Night King has to be a green seer like the 3ER and Bran, right? He was able to see and interact with Bran in the visions. It would make things so much easier to understand if we knew he was using Jon and company as bait, holding off the wights until the dragons came, precisely because he knew they would be coming! Speaking of Bran, why not involve him in the mission? Wouldn't it have been easier to deal with the giant time jump if it was Bran who saw what was happening and found a way to warn Dany quicker? There are so many ways in which they could have mitigated the giant leaps in logic. They can do better.

So in all of this Arya hate people are ignoring that she handed Sansa the dagger, signifying that she trusts her. She implied that she could take Sansa's place but wouldn't. Perhaps her handing the dagger over to Sansa was her way of acknowledging that Sansa may wish to supplant Jon, but in the end she knew she wouldn't? I know most people take Sansa's side in everything, but I am sympathetic to Arya's POV too, given that the two sisters clearly haven't spoken about what they each went through. So with that in mind, Arya would be furious about what a fool Sansa was. Sansa was young in season 1, but she wasn't that young, not when she was months away from becoming a woman by the standards of that society. So I did find it cathartic when Arya went off on Sansa originally. I still felt bad for Sansa too, though her shouting from the rooftops that "I am the Lady of Winterfell!" and "I won the BOTB!" was annoying, given her apology to Jon about withholding the info about the Vale soldiers. She may as well have told Arya "I gambled on Jon's life and the lives of the soldiers fighting for us so I could have the glory!" One thing is clear, these two need to tell each other about the hardships both have endured. And for gods sake, get on the same page! You are Starks and Winter is here.

Could you imagine the backlash if the show kills Dany via childbirth? The main female character who is a source of empowerment for so many viewers goes out like that? As realistic as it is, I just can't see them doing it.

Well, there are no little Daarios running around. And if she thought she was barren, I doubt she'd have taken whatever precautions to prevent a pregnancy.

That seems to be the route the showrunners are unfortunately taking, which will be piss poor writing if Jon winds up being king of Westeros. Which brings me back around to thinking Jon is now destined to die playing the hero, and is just a magical curse breaking sperm donor for Dany. Buries head in my pillow and begins to weep... He's a right proper lad and I'm proud of him! ?

I did like the extended episode run time. The finale is 80 minutes, so hopefully a lot will happen. Here's hoping for some Jon and Dany(yes, still Dany to me) nudity. No more teasing. Time to make some babies.

The actress that played Lyanna did look quite a bit like Kit, more so than Sean Bean, IMO.

Not even Jon knew about the Nights King's legendary arm strength. But you're right. All they needed was one dragon to swoop in and snatch a wight, but where's the drama in that?

I think it's obvious Arya is trying to scare Sansa straight. She wants her to ditch Littlefinger and everything in this episode was part of her plan. And I'm still team Arya. She stated everything I felt about Sansa while watching season 1, which coincidentally is the last time Arya saw her. Arya would never harm Sansa, but she's not against scaring her. And given their history and Arya's journey, it's not surprising. I enjoyed the Winterfell scenes quite a lot. I think the show runners have it in for Kit, and it's spilling into how they write for Jon. They never started joking about his height until recently. Speaking of Jon, he didn't get on Drogon because he was being swarmed by wights. He was protecting the others. He was screaming for them to leave the second time because he saw the Olympic gold medalist in the javelin preparing to kill Drogon. So, Dany is turned on by those scars, right? And the show pretty much gave away the ending. It will go one of two ways: Dany gets pregnant by Jon or she is barren and names Jon her heir(or she kneels to him when she learns who his father is). I'm betting on Jonerys making babies together. I fear that way lies death for Jon, though. Now, for the weekly attempt to convince myself things make sense... Okay, so I just have to believe that they weren't 'that' far from Eastwatch when Forrest Gendry ran back. And the raven took about a day or two to fly to Dragonstone, and it took less than a day for Dany to fly there. So the gang all cuddled together by Beric and Thoros' swords until Dany arrived. As for why the Nights King didn't freeze the lake immediately, perhaps he has the gift of sight and was anticipating the dragons coming? He is Bran, after all.

Don't jump to conclusion guys, there may have actually been a Prince Ragger. Need to wait for confirmation... Overall, this episode felt off. I feel like this was three episodes of material packed into 57 minutes or so. The added budget spread over three fewer episodes better deliver in the next two episodes. Arya and Sansa still not getting along I can buy. Arya being fiercely loyal to Jon is no surprise either. Littlefinger playing the two against each other makes little sense for him, but he's a dead man walking at this point, so whatevs. Cersei preggers? Yeah right. Liar. I guess Jaime is now forced to stick with her till the end now, or is he? Randyl deserved it. Should have saved his son and bent the damn knee. And last I checked, Dragonstone is part of Westeros, and Dany was born there. Speaking of Dany, she is clearly smitten with Jon. Her child liking him was the clincher. Can't wait to see them bone. Hopefully Kit and Emilia were game enough to strip it all off. If I recall Kit got out of the cave scene nudity in season 3 because of a broken ankle. Man up and show your kit, Kit! Varys has been made as useless as Littlefinger. What exactly does he bring to the table anymore if he doesn't have his little birds? Someone for Tyrion to talk to, I guess. Gendry and Jon are fast friends. Disappointed Gendry didn't mention Arya. Just like I was disappointed Jon never brought up his relationship with Maester Aemon to Dany. Come on, writers! This wight hunt seems rather suicidal. Nice recommendation Tyrion. If only you knew how batshit crazy your sister is. Oh wait, you do! Like a wight is going to deter her? And now that team Dany is all-aboard the 'let's defeat the Night King or we're all going to fucking die' train, why is Dany not going on this wight hunt to begin with? A dragon or three would seem to be useful. Two episodes left until the long night. It's going to be tough to top last season's final two, and I'm not expecting them to. But I'd love to be proven wrong.

Jaime is/was arrogant. He no doubt thought he was better than everyone, particularly when he still had his sword hand. But that plays into my opinion of his bitterness. I know it sounds like I'm just making excuses for him, and I guess I am, but I view his banter with Bronn no differently than Tyrion's. Tyrion bickered with him about wanting more money too. As as far as Jaime killing Aerys to save his own skin, I simply don't believe that to be the case. He is not afraid of dying, and contrary to popular belief, he did take his oaths seriously, and was extremely conflicted about having to kill Aerys. He even kept his oath to protect the king's secrets(the reason he never told anyone about Aerys' plan to incinerate the entire city). So I do consider the regicide to be extremely heroic in that it basically ruined his own life/reputation, where as a soldier an honorable death may have been preferable. I believe he may have even expected to be executed or sent to the Wall by the usurper.

The funniest bit in the episode were the two bickering Winterfell guards arguing over who was going to have to tell Sansa about someone who was seemingly there impersonating her sister. Chubby guard: "You're gonna tell her" Other guard: "No I'm not!" Chubby guard: "Cause if you don't I'm gonna hit you right in the fucking face as hard as I can"

Does he believe she did it, or does his blindness to all things Cersei have him believe her line about it being "a tragic accident?" He saw with his own eyes what Aerys did, and he saw what Dany did to those soldiers, as they melted in their armor. Seeing is believing.

I can't quite agree that there won't be enough time to establish a relationship between Jon and Dany. There have been two episodes thus far, and we have to assume weeks, if not over a month have been spent together on Dragonstone. There are still 3 more episodes to build their relationship, assuming this is leading to them getting intimate in the finale. So 5 episodes to develop a romance. That is more than Robb and Talisa had in season two. As for the lower episode count, I think it has more to do with wanting to spread the budget out over fewer episodes, allowing for more money and time spent on the CGI necessary for the big battles to come, which will be increasingly CGI heavy with the dragons and WW and their army of undead.

So he trusted Randyl to make sure it was delivered. I think some viewers are missing that they weren't very far from Kings Landing, so it was possible Tarly was able to escort the gold to Kings Landing and make it back to report to Jaime.

While it seems Jon is destined to ride Rhaegal, I think he will need to fight the Night King and the actual white walkers from the ground. The dragons are what is needed to deal with the undead wights, but I have the impression that dragon fire can't kill the white walkers. This is where the Valyrian steel and dragonglass will come into play. So the Bran speculation is right on point, IMO.