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That's what got her there. That's not what kept her there. Staying with him was her decision. That was my point.

Ugh. Swore I wouldn't get at all involved in sofa psychiatry or NY law but since Jessica is said to have a high profile attorney and litigation v. A&E may be a possibility according to one article, I'm wondering if her decision to marry this dude in spite of problems a blind man could see will affect any settlement she and/or her attorney may be expecting...

With you on Jessica staying because she wanted it to work. If ever there were a girl in love with being in love, it's her. With you, too, re Jaclyn because she's not dumb as a bag of rocks. Davina, I just can't take. She was fine until she opened her mouth. Being with Sean never allowed her to have the Life According to Davina that she had planned. It took him weeks to get up the huevos to be direct with her regarding living in Manhattan and his suddenly important promotion, and look how well that went! Letting him finish his sentences all season was never part of her plan. She barked orders at Mr. Moonpie from the jump yet didn't like when she was offering sex on a platter that he didn't take the bait. She went into "how dare you!" mode and even asked her analytical asshat how anyone could not be attracted to her. Her idea of "support" that she claimed to provide to the knucklehead is putting a ring in his nose and explaining what she expects. Whoever gets stuck with her is going to live a hard life...

Yes. It made me sad when she said she didn't want to go home...

I'd like to take a minute to echo JapMo's comment and say it's been such a pleasure to read all your posts this season. The show occasionally made my brain bleed but the comments had me cackling on the couch for hours. Honestly, there were times that I was laughing so hard, it was hard to breathe. Many thanks to you all for your contributions throughout this "journey" into the "toxic abyss"!

This was so very different than last season, no? Last time, I thought four of them seemed to at least like each other, and made some effort to learn about each other. All but Jamie seemed to me to be the same people in the end that they were in the beginning. Jaclyn changed from turned off to all in. Basement Ryan changed from not wanting to be a friend to missing his basement to wanting to be friends. Ryan D-nozzle changed from the always ready to detonate douche to more calmly throwing her under the bus and blaming her for their mess in front of the experts. Jessica's rose-colored glasses broke, to an extent, as she tried to convince herself that things were good. Sean and Davina appeared to be the most together people at the wedding and the biggest nut jobs in the following weeks. The clichés, the moon pies, the toys, the references regarding sex and all the rest are things I will probably have nightmares about. I admit it, I want them to explain themselves! lol Again, Jaclyn, who I initially wasn't wild about, has turned out to be my favorite because she took the good and the bad and acted like a lady, a loud lady but not a malicious person and not a head case. I hope things work out the way she wants.

And in typical Davina fashion, she had to cut him off while he tried to say it.

I hope Sean gives his monotonous speech first.

Take Ryan D's. He has more! ;)

Holy cow. This episode was a snooze fest. The comments here, however, are stellar. I'm laughing so hard, the dogs are looking at me. Many thanks to you all!

Interesting how Ryan R chooses to stop having sex with a woman who wants it while Sean has to be coaxed against all hope to have sex with a woman who wants it. I'm not sure what kind of green light he's waiting for. Wonder if the shoulder kneading led to anything... I laughed when he said something about if she could stay fun Davina for a while. Good luck with that. This moon pie eating moron and the arrogant analyzer are unlike any couple I can think of. I am living for the reunion...

That was interesting. Thank you for posting it! I gather he thought Jaclyn was great, and Ryan R was almost as great. Then he ruined the whole thing by saying Sean could be described the same way! Sean who?! Yikes. The demanding princess is too much in her head, Jess the Mess is not prepared for this and Ryan D-nozzle has been a bad boy. This is what many of us have said about these guys, with the exception of that troglodyte, Sean. Maybe we should be experts!

Agree with this. Last season, I hoped that Jason would end up with Cortney, Doug would end up with Jamie because no one else on this planet could deal with all the crazy and Vaughn and Monet were not happening. This season, I seem to find myself wishing that these people don't stay together. Please! Nevermind love and marriage, some seem to find it hard to even like the other person. Four of the six are unlikable period, so I guess it's understandable. If Ryan R (or as Moonxyz called him - Basement Veneers Ryan - lolol) doesn't get it together soon, he's going on that list, too. Jaclyn can be a bit much but I admire her for dealing with this experience always with a smile and without a mountain of regurgitated baggage. The season so far has been surprising in that the "experts" seemed to have been so very far off. Horrifying, too, that they encourage these train wrecks to get in deeper as well. If there is a next season, maybe they should consider Davina's friend, Chris. He seemed pretty reliable, levelheaded and sincere from the jump. At least he doesn't analyze his feelings, he just talks! ;)

Another ride on the crazy train. Sean has too many feelings. Ryan R has not enough feelings. Jessica scares me in that she wants to work things out with a man like that. Her dinner with the mother-in-law seemed to be the most pointless thing I've seen in ages. I don't think she gained any insight into time bomb boy there. Have to admit I snickered when Divina cut sensitive Sean off midsentence right in front of the doctor. Back to "ay ay, Capitain!" mode for you, Sean! Give up. There is no hope in making that thing happy. The advice he was given, to jump back in and fight for his demanding emotional wreck of a wife seems like a stretch for him. If the reality show rumors are true, I also find it hard to picture him analyzing his feelings at every stop of the Amazing Race. I thought his mom was a big ole grouch. Now I understand her reservations at the beginning of this "experiment". I think the coworkers who label him a player must be hallucinating. If there were ever anyone who got no game, it's Sean. Still think he's gay. Ryan R truly disappoints me. He unceremoniously dumps her on the bed in her wedding gown like a sack of potatoes, then he claims he wants "romance", then he resents the dude label, then he comes home and is still all in for sex, and then decides she's a lot to handle, that he misses his old life? Man needs to pick a direction and run with it. At this point, I am hoping that Jaclyn comes out of this happy, one way or another. I think maybe the rest of them deserve whatever they get.

One thing that surprises me about Ken doll head is that he had grandpop whom he adored, even though he yelled shut up at his wife now and then, a step-father who was a good man and a role model, according to him and he has an incredibly sweet mom. What the heck happened to him?? His hot temper, his imagined offenses, his nastiness and his twisted ideas of showing affection seem to be such a contrast to what he described growing up with...

Is it me or is it becoming harder and harder to find good parts in this season?! One thing that I did like was when Jaclyn realized Ryan's pulling away a bit. She seemed to stay reasonably calm, reminded him that they're in it together for the time being and both were smiling. That little thing puts them light years ahead of the other couples. It's unfortunate she chose to grind him into the ground about paying for groceries. Hope they're able to work out something regarding the old mama and the young niece... Jessica and Ryan le Douche. Still feel the same about them. Run, Jessica, run. Regarding my favorite weirdos, whose idea of great fun and exciting, bonding times (and coming out of their comfort zones, of course) are snow angels and pillow fights, I was really disappointed to learn that the blonde he was at the restaurant with was not some side piece. D reminded him that she agreed to move to Jersey after two years. She also said twice that she would never live in Jersey so never wins. She seems to want this a little more than he does yet Joe C. blamed her earlier on for bringing her mountain of relationship related baggage on the honeymoon, and he seems to defend creepy Sean. I can't for the life of me understand why the experts liked him so much. I have to admit, I'm curious as to how big and badly this pairing will blow up. This isn't juvenile jerkiness like Jessica and RD; there seems to be some epic ugliness with both bossy Davina and seemingly "sensitive" Sean. His constant analysis of his feelings makes me nuts. I didn't think human beings could possibly use clichés more than Vaughn and Monet but I was wrong.

Too funny about the hair. How about when he was sitting at the table eating sushi and talking to Davina? He was wearing a hoodie and the table was up to his armpits. He looked about 10 and it didn't help that he walked out with his dopey backpack on to leave for Jersey. Ugh.

I may be in the minority by thinking these people are not all fame whores nor are they all posing for the cameras. This isn't The Price is Right and the premise itself requires effort, time and commitment, to the process if not each other. It seems possible that Jaclyn finds laid back Ryan growing on her. As someone above mentioned, they appear to balance each other out. She pounced on him five minutes after the vows about where they would live and he took it in his stride. I also understand his difficulty in leaving his family. I moved out at 20, bought a home at 22 and moved back home when my mom was diagnosed with cancer. He's leaving an older woman and an orphan. He loses no points with me. Ryan got game tonight in his own way by telling her that he thought she was an exceptional person, etc. She lit up like the Jewtina's Christmas tree hearing this. WTG Ironic that someone who wears his "I've been bullied" bull like a badge was paired with the bulldozer, Davina. What Ryan D. does out of ignorance, Miss D does with carefully worded never ending instructions. She's Agatha Nagatha. These two and their "comfort zones" are exhausting. Not liking either one of them. He's too feminine and she needs to remain alone, maybe forever. I still think that Ryan "D" was aptly named. His grandpa idol may have been an insensitive disrespectful ass as well. I have to wonder if he acts the same in business world. It's unfortunate that Jessica has to waste so much time worrying about setting him off. Seems whatever she was looking for, he ain't it. There are men who can take charge without belittling you. It also seems she didn't get the memo and the one time she almost voiced her concerns, about being able to talk to him, he walked out again. Like Davina, she loses it in the delivery. This season is starting to make crazy Jamie and delusional Monet look normal. JMHO It will be interesting to see how these three couples end up.

Much truth to this, Chicken. Seems there are three warm and fuzzy types - Ryan R., Jaclin and Jessica, and two cold, self-centered knuckleheads - Ryan D. and Davina, and Sean, who's an enigma, a strange ranger who's weirdness is hard to sum up in one sentence. Two of the nice ones seem to be working out nicely and all bets are off for the remaining quartet. The Latin flower learned within one week that she had to walk on eggs so as not to detonate her dreamboat's temper and that her opinion to him sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher, and the other pair is ruled by Life According to Davina. Hard to imagine that they would have been attracted to each other in real life. Now the only tools they have are the experts' opinions.

Oh my goodness! Laughing my hiney off at the Humble One's should I or shouldn't I argument regarding the subject of sex and the Funsters. Now to go check out the thread where Ryan Dnozzle puts the pillow over his prank partner's head...

Remember last season when Monet chose to jam her brunch down Vaughn's throat? I wondered why she didn't just ask him if he had interest in going along one day instead of her "everybody likes brunch! You have to come! How can anyone not like brunch?! Brunch brunch BRUNCH!" Some in these couples seem to do the same. So Ryan doesn't ask and ends up calling the closet shots and Jessica goes into pout mode. Davina can't just ask what's his nose about his reservations and so he's doomed to a world of "I want you to pay close attention to my emotions!" and "I expect to be courted!" and "I expect you to love Manhattan!" and "I expect you to stay here and seduce and produce!". When this is all over, maybe they should sit and watch Ryan and Jaclin discussing their 80 mile issue over turkey clubs while smiling and finding a way... Just incredible to me that simple civil conversation is so alien to people their age. Editing aside, these people are a trip.

Well, that was fun! Wow. Once again, Jaclyn and RR seemed to be the most relaxed, the most normal to me. She stays, she goes, who knows in the end, but they seem to communicate better than most. Davina's I-Me-itis continues at an alarming pace while Sean tries to determine whether relationships really are his bag. What a mess. Where's the seemingly together, gracious guy from the wedding?? I've lived in central Jersey all my life. Manhattan doesn't scare me. He seems not concerned but terrified! Unless the fear is of that maneater he met and married a week ago... Hmmm. Still feeling a bit sorry for Jessica, living with a man who may detonate at any moment...

Agree with shopper above. Maybe the producers talk to her more. Maybe they've edited Ryan's two cents. Maybe he's actually the self-centered insensitive clod he appears to be, and she's left to deal with it. Certainly seems likely after watching the honeymoon episode. Found myself wondering during the holiday episode how often they asked her about the fight...

If I had to pick people to spend the holiday with, Ryan R. and Jackin would win. Ryan and Jessica win Most Improved from the bowels of Hell their honeymoon seemed to be and Sean and Davina were just depressing. And I had called her Dr. Doom! His name could be Woe is Me. Geez. Why is he there??

Last season, I had the six people pegged along with who would be together at the end by the first episode. This season, I'm all over the place. Liked Sean and Davina's wedding, Jaclin worked my last nerve, thought Ryan D. was serious about the "experiment", thought Jessica wanted to be married because her sister was in a relationship and thought the other Ryan was a nice guy. Ryan R. IS a nice guy and I like his wit. I like watching this couple because she's so quick to laugh and while they have some things to work out, she seems fun to be around and not blind to the husband in the friend zone issue. These two actually seem to learn things about each other, like that she's nicer than the chick who knocked the drink out of his hand right after the vows, and that there's more to him than what she originally saw at the ceremony. WTG Still trying to figure out Sean. Something off there. Dr. Doom Davina should've been matched with Kreskin, because he's the only one who might be able to figure out her mood swings. By the time she got to her lecture about what to do if she becomes emotional again, I was already feeling sorry for him. Gave him points for acknowledging her and offering to try harder. It was more than a certain other guy this season would do. At first I thought she was Salma Hayek-like, and nice that she called it a fairy tale. Now I wish she would just crack a smile... She often seems to be on the verge of a meltdown. Not a happy camper, that one. Jessica is coming off more sweet than I expected her to be and it's unfortunate she was matched with Ryan Dbag. He seems to have gone from serious about marriage to miraculously turning into a 12-year-old at the start of the wedding dance. It's almost painful to watch those two. She wants it so bad she can taste it and he's looking for bra straps to snap in between trying to kill himself and/or her, and while complaining about her not being into his adventures. I agree with all who said RUN! If he can't handle a conversation about tattoos and piercings, what would he do if he disagreed with her about raising a child? Some ugly stuff going on with that boy. JMO