Raachel2008

Just rewatched it with my SO, who hadn’t seen the episode yet. His first reaction after it was over was “why these dumb kids didn’t take the horses?”. And then he went on with a long list of things that Jackson could have done to improve their defenses, form barbed wire to trenches, to actually building a brick/rock wall during these five years (that we know). In fact that was his main problem and he was adamant that the Jackson folks would be able to make their own mortar. As for the show as whole he was like “so now Ellie will avenge Joel? Should I care about these new people?”.

That's a good take on why it bothered so many people. They didn't change and for me this was plain obvious, specially because Ellie did - I mean Bella looks the same, but Ellie's different, the hair a little different, her posture, the way she carries herself, even the voice is more adult. Fantastic acting too.

I simply don't understand why we are even discussing about the audience. None of us have any idea. We can assume a good part is people who played the game. Some probably checked and stayed becaue of Pedro Pascal or Bella,or both. We can assume some just like 'zombies' shows, etc. But it is impossible to know. And it is such a futile debate, really. What I think we can debate is the timing. Should they have waited? It is better to rip the virtual band-aid and be done with that? Personally, I think they should have waited a couple of episodes, and make the bonds between Ellie and the others stronger - more scenes with Tommy and Maria, Dina. Ellie and Joel were such at the core of the show, they dominated the screen time, and even when they were not together on screen, it loomed over the show. If they are going to "replace" it by whatever relationships come next, and since Ellie is the center, they should have built it, IMO. Not only that, but Ellie is not your normal child/teen. She was raised in a military orphanage/academy. We can safely assume that Joel was the first parent she ever had, and differently than kids who grow up with a family, even a disfunctional one, she only learned how the a daughter, so to speak, when she was 14. Last but not least, we don't know what happened in the last five years. People make it sound like Ellie has been like this since the day they had that talk approaching Jackson at the end of season 1, but for all we know it could have been that things just went really downhill six months ago - the way Joel that to the terapist, it did look like something that was somewhat recente. Someone upthread mentioned not watching week to week anymore. I would love to know, once the season is over, if and how viewership habits changed from people watchinh live to people watching days later or even binge watching 2-3 episodes and then other 2. Or even just waiting until the season is over and going through the entire season.

I couldn't disagree more. Bella is a fantastic actress and gave it all. I think the real question there is if ELLIE herself is enough to carry the show.

She didn't hate him, she loved him. She didn't act like his enemy she acted like a TEEN, a teen who felt betrayed. Had Joel lived that would have passed.

My biggest pet peeve about this whole story is that no one with a two connecting brain cells can think the doctor/Fireflies’ plan of cutting Ellie’s brain was smart. In fact, it was the dumbest idea ever at that point. When Ellie put her blood on Sam’s bite back in season 1, she had the right insight: something in her blood may prevent other people from getting infected. It didn’t work but her reasoning was in the right direction. Then she is basically kidnapped by some dumb rebels and taken to a neurosurgeon who decides in less than a day - because Joel wasn’t out for even 24 hours - to open her head. No testing her blood, no studying her cells, no transfusing her blood, examining her saliva - no nothing. For me that’s the dumbest plot in the series because it makes no sense. You don’t kill the goose that lays the golden eggs and all that. For me it just validated what Joel did and anyone - anyone - should see how wrong the Fireflies and the doctor were. BTW that doctor was what? 25? 30 when the cordyceps took over? Really what was his experience? And what really pissed me off is that this was never mentioned in the right way, it is not only that Joel didn’t want to see Ellie dead, but that what the Fireflies wanted made no sense. But I guess it would be too easy for things to be clear and Ellie understand how fucked up the surgery was. Which leads me to Abby who I already detest (even though the actress is good). I understand that as a daughter she is furious and she wants vengeance, but I don’t understand why her friends would follow her for five years to avenge her dead dad when they could have been, you know, trying to rebuild their group and fight the militia. I knew Joel was going to die, but I was expecting in episode 5 not now. That was brutal. I’m curious to see how the audience will react and the ratings/popularity will go. Joel and Ellie’s relationship was the core of the series. ETA: edited because I can't spell.

They were all very busy and Abbot said he was using too much blood and that other people could die/were going to die in the time he took to save Leah. But Abbot did it in a way that didn't undermine Robby and I think that was the point.

That’s Noah’s Emmy right there. Dana, I fucking love you. The moment she gave up primary to help Robby. Obviously David is not the shooter. Ten bucks the cops will arrest McKay for destroying her ankle monitor. I’m sorry but I really can’t with Santos. I would be willing to give her a huge pass for doing something she shouldn’t have done because it is a drastic situation and all that, but her glee and name calling Whittaker can’t be excused. Fuck the writers for having Abbot validating her that way.

I bet the will show up comforting someone.

I meant that 3 months would be enough time for Langdon go to rehab - if they want to keep the character - and for Robby to get the help *Robby* needs. He is suffering from PTSD and I don’t see he getting better after this MS.

I like the idea of a night shift and I would love to see some of the folks we got to know this episode, like Abbot, Chen, Ellis. They can mix and match next season and IMO the ideal timeframe would be 3 months from now - enough time for they recover as a team from the experience of a mass shooting, enough time for some new traumas settle in. It would be enough time for Robby to get the help he really needed If they decide to keep Langdon, it would work for a rehab stint. It would also mean that Javadi and Whitaker are no so green anymore.

I think the point of Langdon coming back for this major disaster is to "remember" Robby what a fine doctor he (Langdon) is. Robby was pissed off and uterly betrayed by Langdon and didn't care at all that he did he things he did (when Langdon said a junkie couldn't do what he does). I think the idea there is for Robbie to remember that just firing Langdon won't help anyone and that he is a doctor worth "saving" - sending him to rehab etc. Just reporting what they said: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/story/the-pitt-episode-12-exclusive-awards-insider https://variety.com/2025/artisans/news/the-pitt-production-design-episode-12-mass-shooting-1236339828/ By "we" you mean...?

They said males under 13 were getting 0+ too like the woman + 55 - why? Ok, ia that for my untrained eye that seemed really tailored to MS, but of course it serves for a lot of situations. This is a very interesting Variety article about how they build this episode and they say some stuff was created by the show (like the snap bracelets that apparently are not a thing in real life?). But they also say they have 109 patients from the mass shooting in episodes 22 and 13 and I’m sure I heard Javadi’s mom saying she was taking victim #148 up to surgery.

He also had no way of knowing two hours pior when he sent Langdon home, when he had already worked 9 hours. I’m not saying Robby shouldn’t care, but the pros outweighs the cons there. Forgot to say: Mel deciding to donate blood initiated a domino effect that helped a lot of people. Abbot, you badass.

The fact that there are such detailed protocols for that kind of “event” shows fucked up things are and how “common” mass shootings became. Robby being all pissed at a Langdon - I get it but really, man? When a pair of extra capable used to trauma/ER hands could mean the difference between death and life for some of these people? I didn’t like the scene with Javadi’s mom, you would think a clever woman like her would adapt and not be all pissed off because she didn’t have the right tools. Triage Asian guy is like the most nonchalant person ever. No serious reporter/journalist would ever do that. Ever. I want to be surprised and incel kid not be the shooter, but I feel like the show will go the easiest route - and there were so many anvils. Someone mentioned Driscoll being the shooter, I don’t think so. The man hit Dana, is a coward and a jerk, but I don’t see him getting a gun and going to a (mostly) young people festival and shoot a bunch of people. iI expect that at the end that of this they will show a long take of dead faces in the morgue and people recovering with whatever injuries they had - amputated limbs, colostomy bags, etc, because the message is clear: “this is what happens whiteout gun control”.

I think this episode felt like a filler before BIG!DRAMA! mass shooting next week, with some parts that were too PSA, like Robby talking with the mom, and even the delivery. No she called Garcia to sabe her own ass, because when Robby asked if she had told someone about Langdon she lied and she said she hadn’t - when in fact she talked directly to Garcia and asked Dana about the vials, etc. They didn’t change her personality (yet) she had way less scene these last two episodes. She still found a way to not own her actions - like telling Robby she had told Garcia about Langdon - and was rude with King. This a million times. I would like to be surprised and to incel kid to not be the mass shooter. I think that it would work way better - and be a surprise - if he overdosed or tried to kilo himself, is taken to ER only for the real shooter come later. Why did the nurses thought Santos was Filipino? I mean, Santos is such a common name in Latin America (as well as in Portugal and Spain).

That was the best PSA for teen pregnancy EVER.

Santos is a bully and that's enough reason to not like her. And that doesn't have anything to do on how she regulate her emotions.

That's why Rooby is asking Dana in the promo to track all Langdon order drugs? So he can have a "case"? Because I imagine that if Langdon disappears for a few days and Robby cannot prove the pills were his, the drugs wouldn't show on Langdon's blood/urine and it would be a he said x he said situation... Not that I think Robby would do this, just that it seemed dumb.

But would Robby have confronted him alone? Because I imagine a witness would be needed?

I could be wrong but I think Langdon/Santos plus what Noah said in a an interview, that the last episodes will feel different, - I feel this may be aimed to covey a sense of rush as the shift (and the season) is ending. They will be short an experienced doctor, they will be tired, Robby will be even more emotional and of course something BIG is going to happen. I was on the fence about something as a shooting or a mass stampede at the concert, because this show seemed to be taking a different route than the traditional medical drama scripts, BUT after Langdon/Santos I don't doubt it. And it is not that I don't think Langdon/Santos shouldn't have this outcome, just that it fel rushed and poorly done.

Are you fucking kidding me? Look show, Santos is a an arrogant bully, a lawsuit waiting to happen, someone who almost killed a man because she thought she knew more and better than people way more experienced than her. Being right about Langdon, who I couldn't care less about, does not makes her remotely likeable. She is not redeemed in my eyes and as far as I'm concerned she can go now. And I really really really hope her screw-ups, her constant bullying of her colleagues and the irresponsible, ultimately dangerous way she adressed the 'abusive' dad come back to bit her in the ass. She is cruel and she enjoys being cruel. The way I see this, Santos being right about Langdon would have worked better in a second season, because right now she had like five hours working directly with him tops? Speaking about Langdon, are you telling me he is that stupid and had the pills in his locker instead of, I dunno, a small plastic bag in his underwear? Patrick Ball and Noah Wyle acted the hell out of that scene. I always wonder though about the whole 'doctors get injured and become addicts' plot. I would respect that kind of twist waaay more if Langdon had started using to cope with the pressure or something else. Katherine LaNasa was fuckingtastic tonight. The way Dana tried to took strongf but kept shaking all the time, her lips quivering... Damn, her scenes were the best. Surprised that ALL the nurses have been assaulted by a patient and shocked Princess had her jaw broken! That scene could have been better directed, the second part was a too PSA. Shut up, Gloria! People are having their jaws broken, and you are being condescending. I haaaated when House had their weekly needle in the eye scenes and hateeed to see the kid's eye like that. What a polite boy. His father needed a reality check but Javadi was not the person for that. As soon as McKay'ex talked about Matteo I knew he and McKay were having a thing. Javadi cannot be that stupid. Wait. My favorite scenes, aside Dana, where the ones with Whitaker and the patient's wife. How they bonded about being country kids, the genuine offer for him to visit and eat with then, how he accepted... It was such a lovely moment. And then Langdon reminded Whitaker that the guy is probably going to die and that he needed to talk to Kiara and that was the reality check he needed. What I really like about this show is that people are concerned to teach and learn - in this episode you have Mckay and Robby, Whitaker and Langdon, Mohran and King, Robby, McKay Javadi. McKay telling Robby he was more concerned about the boy than the girls on his list was such a little great moment, not only the reversal role but showing how even good folks unvoluntary care more about the a boy than (a dozen?) girls. Neuro guy was not that fun, but King's reaction was priceles.

This episode was very very ER, from the cleaning lady finding the dead girl’s hair bow to Robby’s sad story being interrupted like that, from Collins running scared of the rat to Dana (!!!) being assaulted. How dare them do this to her? That fucker better be arrested and charged with assault. Jail for this asshole. The woman who lost her tooth should have reported the non mask mom. Langdon “do you want masks in the OR?” was perfect. I hope toothless woman sues, that dental work is going to cost a lot to look perfect. Whitaker is truly a farm boy. I’m a Collin’s “running for her life” person and there is no way you would make me watch that scene again. He was amazing with the Kraken and understood pretty quick the money problem there. I have a question: the Kraken was scratching his leg, was that because he was dirty and needed a bath or because he has eas having withdrawal symptoms and the whole “Ive been sober for a year” was bullshit? “Matteo is like a human Utah” - HAHAHHAHA I was expecting overdosed festival patient to be incel boy or Robby’s mentor’s son, Jake. Langdon 110% heard from Garcia about Santos saying he is stealing drugs. His entire demeanor screamed “pissed off” at a personal level - topped with how bad she behaved before you had a deserved but poorly delivered and out of place and wrong tone dressing down. I don’t care that Santos was right - it is her job to be right and it is unfair to herself AND to Mohan that she didn’t own her diagnosis - what happens if the saline treatment turns out to have complications later? Santos “questioned” Robby about the Ativan dose saying it was high enough and again when Mohan wanted to give the patient another dose. She is clearly against giving drugs over the limit she thinks (or the books say) is right, which shows (again) that she lacks real experience. Of course it shows that she comes from some drug abuse background - my bet disfunctional home with addict and (probably) abusive parent. “Sometimes experience counts for something” - except when these are your superiors, right? Shut up, Santos go own your mistakes that almost caused a patient’s death. IF someone is stealing drugs, it is one of the nurses. I think no one is, though. Robby was great correcting Landon, except the part he yelled at him and then said he was wrong yelling at Santos. The line harassment not being an educational tool was great. Langdon and Mel are just great together. Crosby, you hero.

But it makes all the sense that, as he said, he pushed more because he has first hand experience with someone patients reacting to a higher dose - and avoiding the intubation Santos wanted. There were nurses in the room and nobody did bat an eye, so it doesn't look like what Langdon did was so out of the ordinary. No, he has not. He has talked about his wife and kids and a dog, and whatever comment he made about money didn't give me the impression that he needed money at all.

I had to to go back and review all Santos and Langdon scenes because the accusation that he is stealing pills makes no sense at all. The vial a couple of episodes back - she’s the one who picked it and couldn’t open it - how do you go from this to “he is stealing pills”? How not being able to open it is proof that meds are being diverted? And didn’t the alcoholic patient said the “missing pills” were in his pocket? And I’m going to be even more pissed if Santos is right, not because she cannnot be right or Langdon cannot be an addict but because it will be a lazy writing way to validate all her shit behavior from before - in this exact episode she infantilized Javadi (after calling her that stupid nickname in fry of a superior), talked to Garcia about her suspicion in the middle of the E.R., where everybody could hear her - and potentially spread a false (until proved) rumor. Never mind her fucking excited gleeful smile when she realized she would finish amputating the finger *before* the patient himself started cracking jokes. I’m utterly done with her. It was brutal watching them trying to save the little girl and all of them knowing she wouldn’t make it. I was expecting the mom or dad to blame the grandmother and I’m relieved it didn’t happen - and I hope it doesn’t happen next episode. The grandmother and the sister will always blame themselves for it. Amber’s parents despair is exactly where Nicky’s parents where four episodes ago, except they didn’t get a dozens tests to confirm their kid is dead. The walk of honor was extremely moving to me. I think it is like when someone you love dies and a lot of people attends the funeral - it is a small comfort to know people cared about your loved one. It doesn’t stop the pain or bring the person back, but it gives some sort of meaning in all that. It may be a long shot, but I think what is happening there with tPiper and her boss is that since the boss is pregnant she was “hired” to be a sexual partner for the husband either because the boss can’t or doesn’t want to have sex anymore or because the husband doesn’t want to have sex with her. It would explain both the clamydia and the living in the same house and the human trafficking angle. I loved Willie’s plot. It was great to see the teaching dynamics there - Robby - Langdon - Moran - Javadi, the senior teaching the young, the young teaching the younger. The actor playing Willie was awesome and his story is so well timed being Black History Month. It is telling that when Willie was talking about how the government fired the black paramedics and hired white ones the 2025 paramedics listening to this were white. When Kiara talked to Pilar about the agency that could help her caring for mother my first thought was “if this really exists, Trump already cut the the budget for it”.