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Love Janelle getting in the comment that she sees David and Christine sitting on the porch in their rocking chairs, with their kids and grandkids.
(Edit: I'm behind. My kid and his GF came in. I finally shooed them away, so I could watch.)-
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19 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:
I found Aspen’s comment a little odd. She commented that she thought about polygamy a little differently once Christine left Kody. I thought she’d made her decision against polygamy before she married Mitch
I loved Janelle’s porch and rocking chair comment!
Aspyn knew she didn't want polygamy for herself, but I think she thought more positively of it, until she learned the realities of her mother's marriage to Kody.
18 minutes ago, Gramto6 said:Shut up Kootie!
I thought that was Mykelti! Boy I can't tell them apart any more!
Aspyn had an interview where she said it. She was in a lilac blouse.
Ysabel said it was fun growing up in, but she wouldn't want it for herself (she was wearing a top with varying shades of pinks and purples.
Gabe's interview had in on the couch with Savanah. He said he thinks polygamy can be a beautiful lifestyle for people who want it and everything that comes with it. Savanah added people "who believe in it," but said she wouldn't be able to make it work.
Mykelti (who was wearing a green top & faded jean jacket in her couch interview) said her opinion on polygamy started to shift during their time in Las Vegas. She said that it's so perfect now (with Christine & David) makes it obvious something was wrong in the Browns' polygamous marriage. She doesn't think any of her parents got what they needed out of it.-
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Christine's mom has had a rough life.
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Right. I agree, @GeorgiaRai.
I think Mykelti should / should have vaccinated her kids against chickenpox.
Since she didn't (or if she did, since they only had one shot and it didn't prevent infection), I can see her looking for home remedies to treat the kids' misery.
Colloidal oatmeal baths help with chickenpox. I know. I had it as an adult (before the vaccine).
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7 hours ago, Quof said:
I was going to say "Christine's kids all have the letter Y randomly inserted in their names", but then I remembered Paedon. If ever a name cried out for a letter Y....
I think Christine perceives/perceived the letter "Y" as feminine, so her daughters all have a "Y" in their names, but her son doesn't. Don't ask me why.
I don't even have wine on hand.
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4 hours ago, SongbirdHollow said:
That’s easy, the ones with the misspelled names are Christine’s, and the ones named after cities or with traditionally surnames are Janelle’s. The ones named after fantasy characters are Robyn’s.
Now don't sell Janelle short. She spells Savanah wrong.
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42 minutes ago, 65mickey said:
What was soaking the onion in honey supposed to do? Was she going to rub on the non-chicken pox? That would probably be painful.
No. They weren't related, or weren't directly related. I think Mykelti said Maddie told her to do it for a cough remedy.
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3 hours ago, Natalie68 said:
I watched this and am sucked in. Interesting in the same way a serial killer is. Just astounded this stuff is going on.
I ended up watching the first episode. It was about the Jeffs' group, but not so much about him, so I was able to get through it.
I am interested to see what they have to say about the AUB.
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A&E has a new docu-series, Secrets of Polygamy. I found it when I was looking for something else and stumbled upon this article in The Salt Lake Tribune. The series (or perhaps the season) contains ten one-hour episodes.
The first of those episodes concentrates on more recent developments in the FLDS church (the Warren Jeffs group), and one Samuel Bateman and several of his followers.
Here's what the US DOJ has to say about Bateman (CONTENT WARNING: child sexual abuse; CSAM; and all manner of awfulness):
I personally cannot stomach another thing about the FLDS group. However the Google Knowledge Panel that came up when I search on the series title indicated that the Apostolic United Brethren (AUB, i.e. the Browns' cult) will be the focus of another episode.
I searched on that and found this article: https://www.pennlive.com/tv/2024/01/how-to-watch-the-premiere-of-aes-new-series-the-secrets-of-polygamy.html
Here's a quote:QuoteInvestigator Matt Browning exposes the shocking realities of polygamist societies in the series premiere of “Secrets of Polygamy” set to air on A&E Monday, January 8 at 10 p.m.
In the new series, Browning will focus on religious sects such as the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS), the Kingston clan or The Order, officially known as the Davis County Cooperative Society and the Apostolic United Brethren (AUB). Episodes will feature in-depth interviews with former members, including exclusive photos and audio from inside the societies.
For those how have cut the traditional cable cord and are opting for streaming services, you can still view the new series on Philo (free trial) or Sling TV (free trial).
I've recently read about Christine's late uncle, Vance Allred (died in 2021), who left the AUB after discovering that some sexual abuse had been covered up and/or at least not effectively addressed. Here is a Reddit post about the interview that Vance did with John Dehlin at Mormon Stories.
According to Vance, his uncle Owen — Christine Brown's great-uncle/step-grandfather (Annie's mother married him after she left Floren LeBaron, which is how Annie is step-sisters with Kristyn Decker) — knew about the abuse, was distressed about it, but didn't know how to address it.
Vance got fed up and exited. Like Christine's father, Rex, Vance was the son of Rulon C. Allred (who was murdered on Ervil LeBaron's orders — Ervil was the brother of Floren — are you dizzy yet).
More recently, the guy who was the AUB leader from 2014 to 2021, the late Lynn Thompson [who is some sort of (distant?) relation, I think, to Aspyn's husband Mitch], was accused by his daughter Rosemary Williams (of My Five Wives fame) of molesting her when she was young.
I don't know which AUB stories this new Secrets of Polygamy series plans to cover, but I figured it was worth a mention.
QuoteAbout the Show
“Secrets of Polygamy” delves into the worlds of extreme polygamist groups and explores how the power held by Prophet Warren Jeffs, who is currently serving a life sentence for his crimes committed as Prophet, and other high-profile polygamists such as Sam Bateman, have shaped communities where claims of abuse, incest and fraud have become common.
Investigator Matt Browning, retired law enforcement, meets with former members who have escaped to hear shocking allegations of mental and physical abuse suffered by polygamist women and children.
The series features in-depth interviews with experts and access to insiders including Warren Jeffs’ daughter, Rachel Jeffs Blackmore, who shares her first-hand account of life with her father; one of Jeffs’ former wives, Alyshia Blackmore; former members Mary Ann Kingston, Lu Ann Cooper and Faith Bistline; investigators Shelly Livingstone and Terry Jacklin and others.
Additionally, never-before-seen photos from Alyshia and Warren’s wedding and audio from Jeffs’ and Bateman’s teachings help shine a light on these groups and their teachings and offer a definitive look at polygamy in America.
Here are some trailers/previews:
I'm pretty sure Kollene Snow — one of the young plyg escapees featured on Sister Wives — is in these next two videos.
If you have cable, I'm pretty sure you can stream the series from A&E for free. Otherwise, it looked to me like it was available to people who subscribe to HULU LIVE. There are other options (Sling, etc.) mentioned at the Penn Live link above.
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I don't think the abuse in Robyn's first marriage is b.s. Her three oldest kids were way too hungry for Kody's affection, and I'll never forget Aurora sobbing with relief when Kody said he could adopt them.
Just because Robyn sucks doesn't mean her ex didn't also suck.
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Regarding the rings in the Sister Wives title animation, I would like to see one of the rings melt. Maybe that would feel cruel to Meri, and if so, I wouldn't want it. I just think that part of the story is significant.
I liked that they put a ring as the "i" in Sister Wives for Christine and David's wedding special. I thought it was a sweet touch.
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11 hours ago, goofygirl said:
Just kissing her ass to keep her from being the little weasel with Douchie & Crybrows.
I think Christine is working through her own guilt over certain issues with her kids. She's trying, in her Christiney way, to set things right. Sometimes, Christine's issues manifest in passive-aggression. We've seen that on the show, since the beginning.
I think Christine is actively trying to make amends, not to best Robyn and Kody, but because she loves Mykelti and feels bad about things in their past. Although, I do think she would think if she showed up Robyn and Kody in the process, Christine would see that as a bonus. Issues: she has them.
This time (the wedding Instagram), Christine made a misstep in trying to show her appreciation of Mykelti, but I think the desire to show her gratitude was sincere. The fandom lionized Christine in wake of her divorce, but she is not perfect. She's just a person doing her best, while tending to her own damage, and trying to have a better second half of her life than she did in the first half.
ABOUT MYKELTI
In the early seasons of the show, the kids who stuck out to me as deeply unhappy were Leon, Mykelti, and Hunter. (Maddie was angry in the wake of the move to Vegas, but she was normal teen angry. Meanwhile, parentified Logan and Aspyn reacted by being too good to be true.)
Since this is the Mykelti thread, I'll stick to her. I think Mykelti was treated poorly, not only by the other older kids and Meri, but also by Kody and Christine. I think the family had sort of a pack mentality, and didn't consider Mykelti part of the pack.
I wouldn't encourage anyone to subscribe to Mykelti's Patreon if you have a distaste for her. That said, on Patreon, Mykelti is far more relaxed than she is on the show — more vulnerable and much more herself. Her voice is even more natural. She's likable, and she has a sense of humor, even about herself.
On her Patreon, I see a young woman who is still working on her issues too. And she's honest about that, sometimes painfully so. Other times, she is less than candid (and those times seem pretty obvious to me), usually out of a desire not to hang a family member out to dry.
Yeah, she seems to be a devotee of pseudo-scientific "medicine": let your kids get chickenpox, have your placenta dried and put into capsules, and take as a supplement to combat postpartum, soak an onion in honey blah blah blah.
The day I take medical advice from reality TV show subjects is the day my family should tell a court I am a danger to myself and others. Just like with their MLM stuff, anyone who thinks this whole family's pseudo-science makes medical sense was already primed to fall for it, anyhow.
Mykelti's mother, Slay Queen Christine, raised her to trust that sort ignorance cloaked as folk wisdom. And Christine was indoctrinated with it from a long line of cultists. That's their only lasting "polygamist royalty" inheritance, poor things.
(Btw, Mykelti specifically got the onion in honey remedy from Maddie, who is a big naturopathy fan. And I'll note here, Grandma Sheryl was an actual nurse and wasn't even raised in Mormonism, in case people are wondering where that buck stops.)
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5 minutes ago, goofygirl said:
Also, as someone who has only been through Salt Lake City once in 1971, is the pronunciation of "Moab": MO-AB or MOAB?? However you say it, absolutely gorgeous!!
MO-AB (two syllables, first syllable rhymes with "toe")
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6 hours ago, Fostersmom said:
I didn't notice any of the kids for sure, except Leon on the boat.
When Christine ran down the middle of the aisle on the boat, and a bunch of the kids were visible to her left. She handed something off to Hunter after she chugged. He was next to his girlfriend Audrey, who was next to Logan's wife, Michelle, who was next to Logan. Behind Logan and Michelle, you can see Maddie, Caleb, and Paedon.
Garrison was right in front of Hunter. He was seated next to Aspyn and Mitch. In the row ahead of them were Tony, Mykelti, Ysabel, and Savanah. Janelle was in front of them, next to some guy (maybe one of Christine's brothers? IDK, and a little boy). In the row in front of Janelle was Leon, Leon's Audrey, and Gabe.
6 hours ago, Fostersmom said:I just found it a bit ironic these are the same daughters who were all brought up with 3-4 moms but adding a step dad is too much for them.
I felt the same way, but a few people have mentioned that maybe it has to do with the kids being older — which I guess I can get. I was surprised it fazed Ysabel and Aspyn though.
3 hours ago, Gramto6 said:OMG!! Crybrows lived in Pinesdale, Montana???? That is less than 20 miles south of me!! I moved here in 2004 and CB's divorce was final in 2009, I think. I could well have crossed paths with her in those years! Creepy!
Goes to show you never really know who your neighbors are! Shudder.....
As I understand it, that town is pretty much all AUB (and probably some non-practicing people who grew up there).
3 hours ago, SemiCharmedLife said:It sounded like Christine's dad was telling her that "he" (I'm assuming Kody) called him, crying about how he has lost her. Wow. That certainly doesn't jive with his current narrative, but it makes sense since we have seen several years of anger, angst and obsession over Christine leaving.
Yes, I think so. I went back and listened again. There was a lot of crosstalk and incomplete sentences. The following isn't a perfect transcript, but it's fairly accurate.
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REX: Love you so much, honey.
CHRISTINE: Love you too, Daddy.
R: You have a lot of fun, hon.
C: You too.
R: It's gonna be way different years than those last 20 or--
C: Yeah.
R: He was —
C: I'm gonna be loved, Dad.
R: Oh honey, he was just — he was just bawling. 'I can't believe I lost her'. Oh honey.
C: But now I get this.
R: Here you are with a wonderful man. I'm telling ya.
C: I know, Dad. He's amazing.
R: He loves you a lot.
C: I know. He loves me so much.
R: So neat. You're gonna be treated good.
C: Yes, I am.
R: For a very long time.
C: Yes. Yes. I'm gonna be treated great, Dad.
R: Time goes by so fast.
C: I know. It's weird, right?
R: The next thing you know it's like boom.
C: No. I'm 51, Dad. It's weird.
R: That can't be.
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Mr. Allred seemed to have a big scar on his forehead, and sort of from his right cheek to his ear. It made me wonder if he'd had cancer removed or something.
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1 hour ago, Fostersmom said:
In Mexico none the less.
After the mainstream LDS church abandoned the principle of plural marriage, so that Utah could become a state, some polygamous Mormons took off for Mexico, to evade legal consequences.
Mitt Romney's father, George, was born in Chihuahua, Mexico (where there were plyg Mormon colonies), and although George's parents were reportedly monogamous, their parents (his grandparents) were polygamists.
The Browns' sect, the Apostolic United Brethren (AUB), has its temple in Mexico. It has an endowment house in Bluffdale, Utah, which is right near Lehi, as well as endowment houses in Pinesdale, Montana (where Robyn lived with Preston Jessop), Lovell, Wyoming (which is where Kody's family is from), and a few more locations. To my knowledge, the Mexico temple is their only temple location.
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On 1/8/2024 at 3:27 AM, Yeah No said:
I found it interesting that (was it Mykelti?) described both David and Christine as dominant, bossy personalities. Hmmmm.....David sure doesn't act that way on camera. Usually someone has to be the more laid back one in a couple, so I wonder if that was actually an implied concern about their compatibility.
It was David's daughter, Raegan/Rae, who said David and Christine both have very strong personalities and both are leaders.I only remember because my impression of David is similar to yours, so I was surprised to hear him described that way.
On 1/8/2024 at 3:44 AM, surfgirl said:I found it extremely offensive that TLC had any presence of Meri, Douche, ir Sobbyn on this show. And to have Douche's voice over on the 'next time on', also both highly offensive and totally unnecessary.
I didn't think it was offensive, at first. Overall. I thought Meri's well wishes seemed kind and sincere.
The part with Robyn and Kody together was obnoxious. I get why Robyn thought she might have to direct the conversation -- because you never know what's going to come out of Kody's mouth.
Then Robyn shot herself in the foot by saying something about them being happy if the "can be" or as happy as they "can be." Even her tone was sour. That, I did find offensive.
Later, when Kody gave his own thoughts/well-wishes, without Robyn present, he did much better than I expected.
On 1/8/2024 at 6:02 AM, EtheltoTillie said:I missed live chat. Someone posted there about whether David was Mormon or former Mormon. He mentioned his sisters were married into polygamy. That was a real throwaway line. Don’t you want to know more?
The Woolley name is big in early LDS history and in the history of polygamous break-away groups (after the mainstream church abandoned polygamy, to ensure statehood for Utah): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorin_C._Woolley
On 1/8/2024 at 7:40 AM, js9548 said:I know that Janelle's kids made it to the wedding but were they on the boat ride or rehearsal dinner?
I distinctly remember seeing Hunter, his Audrey, Logan, and Michelle on the boat (and Leon, too). I think all of Janelle's kids might have been on it, but I'm not positive.
On 1/8/2024 at 8:33 AM, Yeah No said:According to what I read online she didn't attend and some people think she gave a lame excuse for why, which she defended in a video.
LOL, if my husband wasn't already asleep we could have had a drinking contest based on how many times she said that and "oh my gosh".
I think that video is inaccurate about one thing. I do remember Mykelti originally saying she didn't know why Gwendlyn wasn't there (and I too thought it was a lie at the time).
I do not remember Mykelti saying Christine was hurt. I could be forgetting, but I felt like the YouTuber added that bit.I suspect Gwen wasn't there for a few reasons:
1. Her demanding semester was true enough2. Paedon
3. Gwen & Bea let production film at (season 19 spoiler):
Spoilertheir engagement party, because it was the first time Kody and David met.
Gwen got pissed, because the production sort of steamrolled
Spoilerher engagement party, to make it all about Kody and David meeting
(I hope the spoiler tags work. I'll delete right away and take my answer to the spoiler thread if it doesn't.)
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I quoted the above posts about Christine's resemblance/connection to Anna LeBaron (of the Daughters of the Cult docu-series), and posted about them in the Christine thread, HERE.
Long story short: Christine is an Allred and a LeBaron (Annie, Christine's mom, was a niece of Ervil. So Annie's uncle had her father-in-law murdered, when Christine was just a little girl.)
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(To be clear, I was talking about Annie -- Christine's mom -- being sad, not Anna, who is one of the documentary subjects. The family tree is already a wreath. Such similar names make it all so much harder to track.)
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13 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:
Thank you! Dopplegangers.
Right?
I haven't watched the whole docu-series yet (I keep putting it on after my husband falls asleep, because he's not into it, then I fall asleep), but it really makes it hit home how indoctrinated someone like Christine would have been.
She's from two pretty big name plyg families. That she (and Annie, before her) managed to extract themselves not just from their marriages, but from their families' religious sects is impressive.
I always feel so sad when I see Annie (i.e. Christine's mother). Even when she's at her best on the show, I see a person who has been so injured by life.-
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Importing from the Mykelti thread...
The discussion turned to the ABC News docu-series (currently on Hulu), Daughters of the Cult.On 1/8/2024 at 2:08 PM, Natalie68 said:Me too!!!! Wasn't that fucking wild?? Anna, daughter of Ervil, looked like Christine to me but I don't think they are related.
On 1/8/2024 at 2:17 PM, laurakaye said:Right, and I sat there thinking, oh - I see where Christine's kids get their height, because Ervil was so tall, but then I remembered - wrong plyg family, lol. Christine's dad is Rex, who was one of the sons of Rulon Allred, who was killed by Ervil LeBaron's cult.
@Roslyn is right...On 1/8/2024 at 2:47 PM, Roslyn said:If memory serves (correct me if I am wrong) but Christine is related to both? I think her mother, Annie, is related to Ervil.
On 1/8/2024 at 3:07 PM, Natalie68 said:That is what I was wondering! She does look related to Anna from Ervil. What struck me about Anna was when she talked about Ervil asking her to make him a cup of coffee and that was the 1st time she had met her father.
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The gene pool from this entire group is more of a gene puddle.
It is.
I knew Annie Allred (aka Ruthann Stephens, i.e. Christine Brown's mother) was a LeBaron.
According to Anna LeBaron's (one of the women in the docu-series) description of their family connection, her father, Ervil LeBaron, would be Christine's great-uncle on her mother's side (i.e. Christine's mother Annie's dad (Floren) and Ervil were brothers). This is in line with what I'd previously read about Christine's LeBaron connection.
https://www.facebook.com/annaklebaron/posts/these-two-cousins-were-photographed-on-their-respective-wedding-days-that-is-me-/2272393056326867/
Facebook post didn't embed. I've broken it into two screenshots, because the post was long and I didn't want to decrease the size.
For people who use screen readers, the text of Anna LeBaron's Facebook post reads:QuoteAnna LeBaron
October 23, 2018
These two cousins were photographed on their respective wedding days.
That is me on the right in 1989.
The woman on the left is Christine Brown on the day she married Kody Brown in 1994.
Christine is famous for her appearance on Sister Wives, the hit reality TV show on TLC.
My father and Christine’s grandfather are brothers, making us first cousins, one generation removed.
I have never met Christine because we were raised in separate polygamist communities. I Follow her on Twitter; that is the extent of our relationship.
It’s funny to me that even though we’ve never met, we look alike, sound and talk alike, and have many of the same mannerisms. The DNA of our family of origin evidences itself in the fact that we are each other’s doppelgänger.
_________________________
www.AnnaLeBaron.com
My book, The Polygamist’s Daughter: A Memoir,
is available everywhere books are sold.
Amazon, B&N, Audible, etc.
(I had to audition to read my own audio book!)
If you would like to give a signed, personalized and wrapped copy of my book as a gift, please send me a Private Message.
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4 hours ago, Roslyn said:
Oddly enough this post has been edited. Someone capped the original post over on reddit.
The original said..."I'll always forever be grateful to Mykelti for accepting David into my life before the rest of my kids. She is ALWAYS been so supportive and LOVES David. They have an incredible relationship."
People being people someone called her out in the comments for editing and the comments got shut off.
Yesh. Here's a screenshot (that I got from Reddit), of Christine's Instagram post, before she edited it.The "before the rest of my kids" seems to me like it was a passive-aggressive swipe at her other children.
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Okay, see you on the other side, sister watchers.
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NOTE TO KODY:
Truely is only a year older than Dayton was when you spiritually married Robyn. Don't count your daddy/stepdaddy chickens, before they've hatched (and built a nest out of that straw on your head).-
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QUESTION: When Christine's dad, Rex, was whispering to her outside (on rehearsal day), did I understand him correctly?
Was Rex saying that Kody cried to him, "I can't believe she left me"?1 minute ago, sparrowthebrave said:So I’m assuming David isn’t Mormon, right?
I think he's a former Mormon, but I don't think they've been explicit about his faith on the show or on the girls' Patreons.
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S18.E24: Christine & David's Wedding Special (Part 2)
in Sister Wives
· Edited by General Days
Logan, Michelle, Leon, and Audrey don't want to be on the show at all, so I'm sure they avoided the cameras. They were all definitely on the boat ride on the day of the rehearsal. I'm sure they were at the wedding.
At the wedding reception, I did see Leon in a couple of brief flashes, dancing near Christine. You could see Garrison behind Janelle and some attractive brunette woman, during the lap dance scene. (I still can't get over that Christine did that in front of -- well, in front of anyone -- her whole family and the worldwide television audience.)
Here are pictures of my TV screen, that I took with my very old phone. The sun was coming in the window and hitting the TV (which needs to be dusted). Sorry for the quality. I also had to convert them to jpegs, and reduce the quality, so that they wouldn't be too large to post here.
Leon is in the white/light shirt with the darker spots, to our left of Mykelti, who is dancing in the center in a rust colored dress.
Here's Garrison. Sorry for the sunspot (and possible smudge on Garrison's mouth).
Edited to add:
You can see all 12 of the OG13 kids who attended (Gwendlyn did not) in the family photo (Christine + kids) in this Today Show article on the wedding.
https://www.today.com/popculture/tv/christine-brown-david-woolley-wedding-details-rcna132348