[S06.E07: Chapter One Hundred and Two: Death at a Funeral]

I really liked Jughead's storyline this week. Silent episodes are nothing new, but the way it focused on Jughead's writing process, how not being able to listen to music or his clacking typewriter really messed him up and he pivoted to graphic writing was really interesting.

This show can be more than just balls off the wall crazy when it wants to be!

On 3/28/2022 at 11:31 PM, HeatLifer said:

I don’t agree. Hiram almost killed them. 

This so much. When you think on all the stuff Hiram did to the three of them, even when Veronica knew and was still championing her Daddykins, I can't blame them for not going. Most people would have cut Veronica out long ago to boot.

 

On 3/29/2022 at 12:02 AM, thuganomics85 said:

They certainly are trying their best to make me believe Hiram is gone for good, but I still think they are slightly keeping the door open in the off case Mark Consuelos ever wants back in.  

Hiram was funny, but he was honestly played out by now ( a recurring issue with CW villains). If they do want to use Mark Conseulos again, they can use him for a new character, maybe even a brother. They already did it with Clifford and Claudius. Bonus points if he would act like the comic version of Hiram, to the general befuddlement of all.

 

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TBK finally shows his face and almost takes out Archie once they discover Archie is weak around a certain mineral (how Superman of him!) 

 

There's a Reddit theory that their powers and weaknesses are related to their traumas, with Archie being weak to palladium because it represents Hiram's obsession and how that led to most of the stuff Hiram did to him.

 

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Luckily for him, Bingo was there to save the day!

Best dog in town.

[S08.E08: The Fire Next Time]

The CCC side of the story hit me differently this week. Allegra's behaviour was pretty unprofessional, but God help me, I agreed with her during some parts of it. Like, interviewing that influencer wasn't a two woman job, that was just a waste of time. I know why Iris did it that way, but it still was. 

When Taylor was talking about how "bold" the subject was for dropping out of Cornell to be an influencer, my eyes just about rolled out of their skull. I wouldn't have done it, but I could understand the impulse to just go "Nope" with that.

Taylor definitely had a point there too, even if she took it too far at the end. when Iris came over to ask who things were going and Allegra just chimed in, despite not having done the actual assigned work, that shit would have pissed me right off. I've actually seen stuff like that done and it's never pleasant.

I also really liked Iris this week, first time she's really felt like a boss to me. The show is doing a good job showing her growing into her role.

20 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

For starters, its bizarre that the two stories never intersected

In this case, the parallel between Barry and Allegra who both went off reservation because they had a strong gut feeling made up for it.

 

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Since when does Cecile think that reading her clients minds is unethical? Isn't how they first met Allegra? 

I can't recall, but did Cecile read clients emotions when there wasn't a present threat to human life?

[Bel-Air - General Discussion]

On 3/17/2022 at 10:48 PM, Jediknight said:

Get rich quick schemes, owing a lot of people money, and them not wanting Will to know?  He was a con artist, and they and G all had something to do with him leaving.  They did it to protect Will.

 

On 3/18/2022 at 7:25 PM, Keywestclubkid said:

Or maybe Will wasn’t really his? 

I'm convinced that Phillip and Viv paid Lou to go away and have no contact with Will and Vy.

 

On 3/17/2022 at 5:21 PM, Jeddah said:

Carlton has definitely grown on me! It was good to see him be so open about his feelings. That was unexpected.

Yeah, this was a great episode for Carlton, it's great to see him open up about how he was feeling. Having to prove you're worthy to exist in the same space when those other rich white boys can be as average and mediocre as they please with no expectations would definitely get to your head. 

 

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They definitely don’t act like they hadn’t seen each other in decade.

They talk on the phone now and then.

 

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When Will moved in he wasn’t a total stranger to everyone, even if he’d never been to their house before. The timeline seems messed up.

For them, Will is basically the cousin you met once on a family trip your parents dragged you to years ago. You know they exist, but that's it

[S08.E07: Lockdown]

I like to think that Barry has to consciously choose to go from normal speed to Flashtime, so he can still get surprised by stuff like the gas this episode.

Goldface was pretty fun, I hope we can see some more of him. I like when this show does something novel like putting two people who don't interact much together, like Barry and Kramer. I never liked Kramer before, but she's starting to grow on me a little now

 

18 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

Marcus was the only character who didn't annoy me during all of the Caitlin/Frost drama.    

I felt embarrassed for poor Marcus, it can't be easy just getting dropped into drama like that

 

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but both Frost and Chilllame (thanks, Damien!) are dim if it never really occurred to them that she wouldn't view their relationship as healthy, and their "How dare you?!" reactions were hilarious.

I'm pretty sure they already knew that, they were just upset about Caitlin just airing that stuff out in public with a relative stranger.

 

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And I'm sure I was suppose to find Chillblaine ditching Caitlin with the tab after his big advice speech to be funny and charming, but I was just like "Nope, Caitlin's right: he is a dick!"

I don't think we were supposed to find it charming, just him being petty right back at her.

[Bel-Air - General Discussion]

22 hours ago, phoenics said:

I don't think they put his interests on the backburner because it wasn't traditionally black - it was because the basketball game got close and wildly entertaining and they just got distracted by it.  I'm sure Carlton took it that way and his feeling hurt by that was valid.

I don't blame them for wanting to stick around and watch a turnaround game.

I would ask why one parent didn't go to the lacrosse game and the other go to the basketball game, or why they decided they would go to the basketball game first.

It came across to me as none of them really wanting to go watch lacrosse in the first place. They would go and cheer Carlton on, but they would think of it, subconsciously or not, as doing a chore not as something they would enjoy on it's own. 

 

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But - hell - I cheered all through middle, high school and college and my parents never saw one game.  I didn't even realize this until I was much older and well out of my parent's house.  BUT Carlton clearly needs that kind of rapt "all about him" attention from his parents and he was hurt when he didn't get it.  Okay.

I don't think he needed everyone there, just a single person would have been fine.

 

 

22 hours ago, phoenics said:

I HAAAAATTTTEEEEEE Lisa's step mom - first she's a homewrecker who was with Lisa's dad before Lisa's mom died and worse she really WAS trying to make the event about HER.  Even that moment when she exclaimed over the baby kicking seemed fake - I don't believe the baby kicked at all - she was just mad the conversation turned to Howard and the sorority Lisa's mom, Viv and her artist friend were all in and the convo wasn't about her.  You can tell she's salty because she gives them all a weird look right before her fake little "Ah!".

That baby definitely didn't kick. She was just trying to show off.

Not to mention she outed herself as a homewrecker, knew she outed herself and still wanted to insert herself into the event? I start to wonder how much of this is Fred's doing.

 

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Aunt Viv please run from Michael Ealy - he's up to no good.  Run.  Ruuuuuuuunnnn!!

 

Going into her private studio and manipulating her with her husband to get her to show her work when she wasn't ready for it was creepy. Plus the way he just blithely wrote down $15,000 when he was the one that came up with the conditions for the bet, when he knows she'll see that eventually? He's trying to get with her.

 

21 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

But what's going on with Philip?  He wants to control Vivian and not let her do her art or let people buy it other than him.

Phillip is fine, that Reid dude is the one that has to be watched.

[S02.E06: Tried And True]

Seeing Lucy with her nephews was so mice. It made me wish we could see Kara hang out with them too, since she would have perspectives on their Kryptonian heritage that even Clark wouldn't, but alas...

5 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

What a wonderfully directed episode. Amy Jo Johnson did an amazing job with the directing. It was definitely memorable, with the parallels with Bizarro Superman's fight and our Superman's fight, and the opening scene was very well done.

That Power Rangers experience served her in good stead.

 

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Of course, Anderson decides to ignore what his superior is telling him on keeping a good rapport with Superman, and decides arresting him is the better idea. He better be reamed out for that move because I can't imagine his superior will be happy that he defied her direct order to keep the peace with Superman. Like seriously, what is he even thinking? 

It seemed like he got permission from his boss.

 

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It was nice seeing Lucy bond with Lois and get close to the boys, but I did worry she was spying for Ally. 

Seeing her discuss American football with them was nice. Nothing like sports to bond a family.

[Bel-Air - General Discussion]

I'm loving this show a lot! First Saved by the Bell and now this, Peacock is cornering the reboot market.

37 minutes ago, PRgal said:

I finally saw the second episode.  I know exactly how Carlton feels.  

For me, that moment came when Carlton realized his family ditched his lacrosse game to watch Will's basketball game. I know what it's like for family to just put your interests on the back burner when it's not something "traditionally" black for something that is. 

[S03.E12: We're All Mad Here]

4 minutes ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

I think Marquis has been pretty fun to watch, but really, what has he accomplished as a villain? Not much beyond coasting on other people's actions and/or the Bat-team's incompetence/unwillingness to act.

He killed some randoms like the security guard at Wayne Tower but the Bat-team didn't have him prosecuted for that because reasons.

He beat up Luke when Luke was wounded.

He sicced Zsasz on Mommy but that failed.

He recruited a bunch of rich people to be lieutenants but as far as we saw that went nowhere.

He took over Wayne Enterprises, but Jada paved the way for that by weakening Ryan's position, and he still needed Ryan to sign off on resigning.

He somehow kept the heroes from using the Batcave inadvertently (are we really to believe the only access point is Wayne Tower? Or that when they did get in the last time, they wouldn't set up any precautions to prevent Marquis or anyone else from accessing it? I guess we have to)

I would say that his plot this episode had him at his most successful. 

Compare that with Black Mask, who had half the City hooked on Snake Bite including Jake Kane, who had the police commissioner assassinated, and who brainwashed OG Batwoman into doing his bidding. 

In terms of the Marquis/Joker/Alice connection, I hadn't remembered that there was a school bus involved in the crash that caused Kate/Alice/their mom to go over the bridge. I remembered that there was a pursuit of the Joker involved, but hadn't connected it to Marquis's being changed.

That's another point of commonalty with him and Alice. She was allowed to go free much longer than she should have because of Kate and Marquis is succeeding much more as a villain than he should have because of Jada and Ryan

[S03.E12: We're All Mad Here]

10 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

I mean, with enough money and planning time, you can get to anybody.

I think Barbara Kean is still alive at the end of this one.

For Batwoman, it was overall pretty decent, I feel.

Not to mention he runs in the same social circles.

Yeah, Barbara was still alive at the end there. The idea that BGS was basically using untested illegal medicine on their kids in private to avoid having to give them therapy and risk people knowing their kid is messed up was an interesting one.

Rachel Skarsten played Alice going insane pretty well. Glad to see she's finally hallucinating Mouse and not just Ocean.

[S02.E05: Girl...You'll Be A Woman, Soon]

44 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

It's nice to see Jon finally get upset about his brother having powers and him not. I don't love the route they're taking with him taking drugs and them working the same as they do on other kids, but it is giving Jon (and Jordan now) a great plot to work with. But hopefully, Jordan figures out that these powers are artificially created, not naturally. And when Jon inevitably does develop powers, I guess it sets up a whole "is Jon using the X-K again?" plot for an episode. 

I'm still thinking that the X-K plot will lead to Jon getting powers myself. That brief eye flash seems like solid proof to me.

 

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And yes, Sam, you treating one grandson differently than the other is gonna cause some issues.

The condescension fairly oozed out of his mouth this episode and the worst part is that he wasn't even doing it on purpose. Add the snub of not getting to go to a dance with his girlfriend and I can get why Jon is taking that X-K.

 

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Bizarro vs Superman was fun to watch.

It's great to see what a real budget can do on a CW show.

 

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And Ally is the real Big Bad, huh. I dig that a lot. And I love that Chrissy didn't actually buy what Ally was selling. Good, she's not dumb! She looked terrified when she woke up from being drugged. 

Ditto! I mean, even if what she's saying is true, the woman drugged you! Can't trust someone like that.

 

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Also, with how we didn't see Bizarro kill the doctor, it does leave open a route where someone else is involved and did it. With how brutal the doctor looked, it seems like it would be Bizarro but we never saw the death scene so is it possible something else killed her and Bizarro was simply just there for answers? Maybe the show just didn't want to see the brutal death onscreen. 

I think if the show just didn't want us to see something gory, they'd play it like they did with Tagg's teammates.

[S02.E04: The Inverse Method]

1 hour ago, PAForrest said:

Yeah, that was me - and she does a little if you look at the photos of Nancy, or saw clips of her in either of the two documentaries about Nxivm that aired a couple years ago. Obviously the writers are morphing Nancy and Keith Raniere into the one character of Ally.  Are they afraid it would be too on-the-nose if they had a Keith stand-in for the cult leader instead, because that ship has sailed, folks. Clearly Chrissy with the blond wig was very much an Allison Mack stand-in at that point.  Again I ask, why is the CW so comfortable with this blatant takeoff on Mack's involvement with Nxivm given her tie to their network and Smallville. It's making me a little uncomfortable.

I'm wondering if someone in the writer's room thought that if they were going have a cult storyline, they shouldn't ignore the issue? Or maybe someone in there just doesn't like her?

 

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Are they trying to tell me Sam Lane trained Superman, because that sounds unlikely - and so him training Jordan in secret isn't really logical and doesn't sit well with me.

I didn't get the impression that Sam trained Clark...at all. The secrecy stuff is grating, but I can understand why Sam agreed, since Jordan was a mistake away from blowing his family's secret.

 

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If Lane was teaching his fully human grandson how to fight to defend himself since he doesn't have super-duper powers, that would be a logical step

 

As far as Sam knows, Jon isn't getting himself or his family into trouble, so Jordan really needs more help than he does.

 

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It is simply nonsensical that Tag develops almost full blown Kryptonian powers after the incident at the lake, where he was completely human, and Jon gets at best heightened senses like any LSD-like drug would do for most people. We'll see how this story progresses, if it does at all after another episode, but I'm not expecting anything more for Jon.

I was assuming his arm strength got a boost too, based on some of those passes he was throwing.

 

 

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Unlike everyone else, I think Jon taking the drug, and not turning into a 15-year-old junior reporter right off the bat, is the first truly human teen behavior I've seen from this kid. I know most folks want Jon to stay in the background nice and quiet, and come out only to support Jordan Sue and his parents occasionally, etc., but that's not believable behavior. I'd like to think Jon taking the drug would wake up his family to the fact that they don't pay attention to this kid, and that he's got some serious anxiety issues in not being special in Smallville, especially in a family of superheroes and certainly not being anyone's favorite kid. Sadly I'm sure all this is going to lead to is Clark and Lois screaming at him again and sending him to his room, which is pretty much their go-to in dealing with Jon on a weekly basis. I really enjoy Clark and Lois in most situations on this show, but not where it comes to how they deal - or in most instances don't at all - with Jon, supposedly one of their kids.

It also won't be believable teen behavior if Nat immediately forgives Clark/Superman and Lois for JHI getting hurt after this. She should be angry for quite a while, and certainly should no longer want to cozy up to Lois as her faux-mom. I'd expect her to move out of Jon's room and back into the trailer after this. We'll see if that happens.

 

From what I've seen a lot of people post from multiple series, they don't want kids reacting like kids to stuff, they want them acting like little adults.

[S02.E04: The Inverse Method]

I feel like I'm repeating myself here, but I do wish this show would at least put in the effort not to act as though it isn't on Earth-1. I know about the filming restrictions and the different writers, but still.

11 hours ago, dwmarch said:

 Tom Brady I guess.

I wonder if it's coincidence or not that Jonathan was wearing Brady's number on the day he announced his retirement?

 

2 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

Oh, Jonathan. I had REALLY hoped that his plan when buying the X-K from his shady girlfriend was to investigate, not to take it. I get why he's taking it, but still. And I'm a little surprised, and disappointed, that it's actually affecting him like any regular human. I had hoped his Kryptonian nature would have caused either an adverse reaction or no reaction. Alas, now we get Jonathan taking X-K, which will surely not turn out well for him either way.

Jon's girlfriend is really starting to bug me now. It's one thing to sell drugs to help feed your family, but it's another to upsell your boyfriend. Jon, you need to dump that chick.

On the matter of the X-K, I don't see why JOn would have an adverse reaction due to his half-Kryptonian heritage. I would almost think it would be the opposite.

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The Lois/Lucy stuff was decent. It's good to see Jenna Dewan back in the universe, albeit a different version of Lucy this time. And as frustrating as it was to see her so against Lois, I think it's good drama for the sisters. I, too, assume that whatever Ally has her cult members seeing is actually real, which will make this even more complex. But that means Ally has a nefarious plan that won't end well for anyone. 

We get confirmation that Lucy's life did not go so well post-Crisis. I'm assuming that she has vestigal memories of her life there which is what is causing her unhappiness and Ally can connect her more fully with those memories.

 

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Bizarro is still fun, but are we going to get his motives for being here soon?

I rather like that Bizarro is thus far an unknowable monster; it's the fact that you can't communicate with them that makes a monster truly scary.

Also liked the hear breath, very classic stuff there.

[S03.E10: Toxic]

Alice once again steals the episode. This was the first time that she actually felt like a part of the team, an annoying part, but a part. She should drive the Batmobile from now on.

I hop Mary keeps that dye job; it suits her. I look forward to where her character is going from here, especially the guilt. Someone should give her Roy's number, he could give her some advice.

11 hours ago, Primal Slayer said:

Ivy needing Mary as a battery was a storyline that just didnt make much sense, especially now that she magically discovers an island where plants are worshiped and she is off to live her happily ever after.

This is the same island as the Desert Rose, so not exactly a new place.

 

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The way they treat the trophies just are very weak, and now here we are again with the public just taking a random word that Batwoman is this big bad because she didnt do as good as Batman? The writers really arent being that creative in the middle of the season.

 

Jada's not exactly a rando and there have been a lot of resurgence of old villain stuff, especially Poison ivy nearly killing half the city.

 

9 hours ago, Trini said:

So all that hype for Ivy for her to only be in three episodes? And the "love" story with Renee and Pam was just NOT it.

The last scene cemented that Renee is just as crazy as Pam.

 

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Was this the episode they were writing when they found out they only had 13 episodes? Because there were so many problems. Felt like they had to do a rush job to tie up Poison Ivy so they could get back to Marquis; among other rushed plots, but I'm going to bed.

This makes much sense.

[S02.E03: The Thing In The Mines]

They tricked me, I love when a show manages to trick me. That Bizarro reveal and especially the part at the end with the reversed logo... Chef's kiss.

I'm also really loving Natalie. She's getting along with her multi-versal siblings. You know you'll be OK with each other when you can hang out after demolishing someone at Madden. 😁

Tyler's physical acting continues to impress. The way he went hella creepy and disconcerting when he raged out, that excellent pratfall when Jonathan hit him, the way he expressed his struggle with feeling helpless and unsure, simply brilliant.

Seeing Sam and Lois have a real heart to heart of the kind they didn't get much of last season was pretty amazing. Now I 'm interested and worried about how exactly Lucy is going to fit into this new family paradigm, especially with the oily Ally Alston running around. 

The fight scenes were also amazing. That HBO budget works wonders. I particularly liked the scene with John Henry suiting up, that was straight out of Iron Man!

I can't quite tell if Jonathan is simply trying to investigate the XK in the town or if he really wants to use it. Hopefully it's the former.

The Lana plot is moving ahead too, I hope her new social media approach at the end is enough to wash the Edge stink off her.

Though I generally loved the episode, I still dislike how the show is separating itself from the Arrowverse at large. I could not resist rolling my eyes when Clark was acting as if he and John Henry were the only people qualified to help. I know COVID threw some spokes in the wheels, but really there's basically no point is having everything on one Earth.

[S02.E02: The Ties That Bind]

16 hours ago, rmontro said:

I think it has everything to do with being woke.  These are clearly intentional decisions to put these kind of "representative" plot points into these shows.  However, presumably negative or not, my main point was that it was extremely predictable.  Also, other posters brought up that they didn't want to see Sarah getting involved in a love triangle with Jordan and Natalie.  Shouldn't they bring that in so we can have a truly woke plotline?

The problem with most of these storylines is that they seem so shoehorned in.  We know they are required to meet a certain standard of diversity.  If it feels natural and contributes to the story, it's seamless.  But too often it just feels forced.

So why is it that when shows include stuff that have to do with minorities it's forced, but never when it's to do when it's white cis stuff? Kids going off to summer camp and having romantic escapades is a tale as old as time, but it's forced because she kissed a girl?

[S07.E09: Lowest Common Denominator]

21 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

Of course Sara had to be the one to apologize even though she and Ava both got mad,

 

21 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

Honestly not sure what Sara was apologizing to Ava for and why it was her fault, but I kind of quit caring at this point.  Seems like there is always something going on with Ava that leads to Sara either needed to give her a pep talk or humble herself to make Ava feel worthy of being the "co-captain."  It's just exhausting at this point.

Sara has been dismissing most of Ava's concerns about how their actions can affect the timeline all season and she did it again with the promise she made to Gwyn.

Having your opinions mostly ignored while being expected to clean up messes because you're the 'responsible one' would make anyone mad.

[S01.E02: Unidentified Flying Object]

3 minutes ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

It wasn't clear to me if he countered her powers with his own or if she just doesn't have control of her own powers and screwed something up.

I mean, he blew at her and then she flew away and hit the wall. It seemed clear to me it was something he did.

 

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It's also unclear to me if Superman does exist or not in Naomi's universe. Dee says he's real, and there is evidence that a guy dressed in red and blue displaying some of Supes's powers exists, unless it is a stunt. Can Dee be trusted? I think the show wants us to think so. 

Regardless of Dee's trustworthiness, we can be fairly sure that Superman or someone very like him exists, based on what the general told and showed Naomi's dad.

From what we know of the larger Arrowverse not to mention the source series, the multiverse angle seems the most promising.

[S01.E02: Unidentified Flying Object]

21 hours ago, TiffanyNichelle said:

I would also like to know where this is in the Superman mythos. Despite having the biggest Superman fansite Naomi doesn't quite believe he's real. No one else really believes it either and the army doesn't know he's an alien. But Dee has fought with him in a war somewhere.

I believe that this show takes place in one of the new parallel universes Oliver Queen created at the end of Crisis, similar to Stargirl. In this universe, Superman is fictional but he exists on another parallel Earth(not Earth-1, where the main Arrowverse shows take place, but another one) that can still travel to this Earth.

Superheroes being fictional on a parallel world is a trope DC has used before and would work well with this series in particular.

 

7 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

Zumbado hasn't yet shown actual powers to Naomi IIRC. 

He literally blew her away with what his powers this episode.

 

15 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

With regards to Naomi's eyes, when she was in the woods and started to be able to hear everything, didn't she also start to lose her eyesight? It seemed like it was getting blurry for her. Or am I making this up lol?

To me, it seemed like it was showing her vision getting sharper actually.

[S02.E02: The Ties That Bind]

On 1/19/2022 at 12:51 AM, Chicago Redshirt said:

I thought it was fairly blatant. The name of the cult leader is "Ally Allston" and the actress from Smallville involved with the cult is Allison Mack. No one and nothing could ever get me to buy that this was just random coincidence, and that it escaped the notice of the writing staff, the director, the network suits and the legal team. 

Apparently Allison Mack's nickname that all her close friends call her including the cult members is Ally.

 

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It is kind of off-brand for Clark to be like, "Nope, I don't see any good in you. At all." I mean, pretty much everyone this side of Darkseid probably has some good to them. But maybe that's something sweet about this version of Clark. 

Kinda, but then again, Tal did just betray his trust and try to kill his son, so...

 

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I find it hard to believe that Tal-Rho never booted up Holo-Lara before.

Considering the way his dad was, I can totally buy it.

 

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I also find it hard to believe that the scheming machiavellian Tal we were seeing all last season is apparently a whimpering mama's boy underneath it all, and so jealous of Clark for being Lara's true-born son who was apparently made the old-fashioned way rather than in an artificial incubator.

I figured he was like that when the secret got revealed.

 

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I know that they wanted to contrast Jonathan's weightlifting with his teammate's supposed super-steroid use, but that dumbbell he was working out with seemed pathetic. Also, it seems clear that despite what the show might be trying to suggest, Teammate could not possibly be in competition with Jordan. We know Jordan is a QB, QB2. Teammate is clearly built like a lineman of some kind. 

Jon just got his arm broken, so likely he was taking it easy. I believe his issue with the teammate stems from that, plus the fact that he was lagging behind on the team before and now has to try even harder.

 

On 1/19/2022 at 9:20 AM, Chicago Redshirt said:

But at the end of the day, a kiss is just a kiss. Should it have effectively been enough for Jordan to plead to go with Clark because Sarah's betrayal made him feel worthless otherwise? 

That stuff really does get to you when you're 15.

[S03.E09: All the Bells Say]

5 minutes ago, dmc said:

But they are still rich so what stops them from being like eff this and just finding new work. I mean Shiv had a whole other career before

Yeah, Kendall has his degrees and his years of experience working in the company, he could find a good job elsewhere. Shiv could too, though it may be harder. But it's not about the money, it's about love.

That's the tragedy of this family. On one hand, Logan groomed them to become his successor and played them off each other to that end, on the other hand he had no intention of actually giving up power and played them off to that end at the same time. 

They don't want the job so much as they want Logan to choose one of them, because he's raised them to believe that's his way of showing love. Except it actually isn't.

[S03.E09: All the Bells Say]

26 minutes ago, pennben said:

Hahahahaha! Fuck em.  None of those kids have earned a damn thing and none certainly seem qualified to actually run a billion dollar enterprise. I was with Logan all the way here (even though he too is awful)…earn it!  Let’s go Tom!!!

Shiv had a perfectly good career elsewhere, but Logan manipulated her into giving it up in order to use her to his own ends by promising something he was never going to give her.

Kendall worked his way up the ladder to the point where he was virtually CEO but Logan just pulled the rug out from under him on a whim, then tried to sell him out to save his own neck.

They earned something for that.

2 minutes ago, Ellaria Sand said:

Roman finally standing up to his father.

Roman must be thinking that if he had a spine in Season 1, Ken would have taken over and done this same deal, only he would have taken care of him and Shiv while he was at it.

[S03.E09: All the Bells Say]

There are no words. Just damn.

When you saw the whole family, even Logan kinda pulling for Kendall there at the start, I got a funny feeling in my stomach that I kinda realized was hope for this crazy fucked up family. Then I remembered what show I was watching. 😂

Jeremy Strong did some unbelievable acting when he just broke down in front of his sibs like that. Kendall just seemed done with everything. I can't believe he admitted his secret to them. Their response left something to be desired, but hey they tried.

I was howling when Ken was talking about what he was owed as the eldest son when Connor was right there 🤣 They all deserved Con going off on them.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but poor Roman! First his dad scrutinizing his sex life and the way he just dismissed him from the meeting with Mattson. Roman sorta knew he was getting screwed over, but he couldn't bring himself to believe it, even up to the end, The way he was just begging Logan at the end.

Logan sinks to even deeper depths than usual today. The way he immediately tried to play Roman off against his sibs as soon as they came in united was a look at the way he must have raised them.

No wonder they're all so fucked up, especially Roman. Then he tried to play it off as a lesson for them to succeed, which would have made some sort of sense, if Logan himself hadn't basically manipulated them so he could keep them locked to him, He fucked all of them over when they were trying to gain some measure of independence from him, he doesn't get to complain about the real world to them now. 

Then he just calls Caroline. No wonder she was married to Logan, she just calmly sold her kids out like that and didn't give a single damn.

Finally, Logan was perfectly honest that he's doing it for his sake, and that he cares zero about any of them.

And then Tom! The man has cause, but still, I felt for Shiv when she realized it.

I'm really looking forward to how the status quo will change next season.

[S04.E08: You Will Remember Me]

8 hours ago, ybrik said:

So they are willing to go with a threesome/throuple in the therapy box I wonder if they will do that in real verse. 

That could be interesting, but it seems to me it was more Josie's way of subconsciously throwing shade on Lizzie for being unable to make a choice between the two. The only TV show I can think of that showed a throuple was what, the Politician?

 

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Hope proves to be the anti-Wesley from The Princess Bride. She could match the skill of the witch, and the strength of the wolf but was no match for the mind of Aurora. If it wasn’t evident after Dark Josie last week, this makes it crystal clear that Hope is vulnerable to mental/psychological attacks. She hasn’t learned anything since the Necromancer played her in season 1. Now it has really serious consequences. 

It was really amazing how Aurora planned out this entire thing and expertly maneuvered everything to get Hope to make dumb choices. She hasn't been around for centuries for nothing.

[S03.E08: Chiantishire]

Just now, txhorns79 said:

It's only a "perfect weapon" because Kendall keeps trying to assert his moral superiority over his father.  If Kendall declines to come to terms with his own behavior, it's going to keep getting thrown in his face when he tries to act as though he is above it all.   

Except Logan uses this against him even when he doesn't do that. Last season, Kendall was actually getting a little happy with Naomi and Logan just decided to use it against him because he was pissed about the Pierce deal falling apart.

[S03.E08: Chiantishire]

11 minutes ago, cardigirl said:

I doubt that Caroline had much power in the dynamic between her and Logan. Perhaps she asked for the divorce and he decided to punish her by threatening to disown their children.  They were probably married without a prenup, given the timing, although, wealthy families have been protecting their assets by legal agreements for forever.

As far as we know, while Caroline holds some shares of RoyCo, and Logan wanted her vote last season, she's been all but abandoned by the family.  I mean, she was negotiating for Christmas visits last season. Apparently, she didn't have custody of that holiday with them either. 

She doesn't need all that much power, she just needs enough to get by.

We see it in this episode, her fiancee wants to use Logan for his business interests, so she screws over Kendall to get Logan in a good enough mood. When you're as rich and powerful as Logan, even being on his periphery can get you serious gains. Hell, that's Greg's whole character.