Demented Daisy
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2 minutes ago, catrox14 said:
I don't know how else to answer you.I feel I've answered the question you are asking. I think it is intentionally taking Dean out of the action but I don't know why. I'm saying they are writing what they want to write. If that has the consequence of sidelining a character to write what they want to write then so be it.
Okay, so you think that TPTB are intentionally sidelining Dean/Jensen to tell whatever story they want to tell, but you can't figure out what that is. Have I got that right?
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3 minutes ago, catrox14 said:
I thought I answered it with the entirety of my comment. They are writing for what they want to write, regardless.
hey had Sam be addicted to demon blood, hook up with a demon, kill a human nurse and become soulless. They had Sam not look for Dean in s8. They had Dean let an angel possess Sam. They turned Dean into a demon. They gave Dean the MoC and turned him into a murdering murderer that murdered. TThey do all manner of things to the characters that arguably could hurt the show.
What you're talking about is specific storylines, though. I'm asking why TPTB would think that sidelining a character wouldn't hurt the show.
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2 minutes ago, Idahoforspn said:
Season 11. Episode 13 Last scene
QuoteDean: Standing here right now, every bone in my body wants to run her through. Send her back to that hole she crawled out of. But when I’m near her, I don’t know. Something happens and I can’t explain it, but to call it desire or love…it’s not that. I’m screwed man. We wanna kill the darkness. We need to kill the darkness. And I don’t think I can. I’m sorry to do that to you, ya know, but when it comes right down to it…
Sam: I got it Dean.
Yes, that is very Dean Winchester. Asking for help without actually asking. Not sure it shows character growth, but that's interpretation.
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5 minutes ago, ster1 said:
By the end of September, they'd already filmed about 9 episodes and Jensen would have seen the scripts for at least one more.
Jensen also commented during the SF Con (winter of season 6) about how Peter Roth had reassured him that Dean "would be back." I don't have the link offhand but you could probably find it.
Yeah, I don't do that. If someone makes an assertion, I won't do their research.
Meanwhile, my interpretation of Jensen's comments on season 6 was that he was specifically referring only to Dean's time with Lisa:
QuoteWith the changes in the dynamic between the brothers, however, Ackles admitted that it took some time to get used to the new direction of Dean and he wasn't necessarily happy about it. "There was a big kind of shift in Dean's character, actually much to my chagrin. I was not happy with it. Dean was really kind of being written soft and I've spent five years with this guy being a shoot-first-ask-questions-later kind of guy and now all of a sudden he's lived one year in more of a domesticated life and he's gone soft on us. I was upset as a fan of the show myself. I did my best to curb that in the acting. It read pretty soft on the page."
Not that it was a problem for the entire season up to that point. But mileage always varies.
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16 minutes ago, catrox14 said:
I don't think they think they are hurting the show.
Wouldn't intentionally sidelining one of the leads (as so many have suggested they are doing) hurt the show? Why wouldn't they know that?
Honestly, this is not a new assertion. Usually, admittedly, people assert that one character is intentionally being written to be a jerk/bitch to make the other look better and I have always, for the record, disagreed with that assessment for the same reason -- to do so would hurt the show in the eyes of at least half the fandom and would make no sense.
Even if Dabb wanted to intentionally sideline or minimize Dean's importance to the show, he is not the last word in what happens on the show. I would be shocked if Dabb wanted to damage the character of Dean -- and even more shocked if everyone just let him do it.
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Again, thanks, but that was in reference to one, maybe two episodes at the beginning of season 6. Anything on Carver?
ETA I'm not suggesting that Jensen has been happy with every storyline that the show has done. Obviously, he hasn't and has voiced his displeasure. I'm just trying to figure out why people think he would be dissatisfied with what is happening this season.
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1 minute ago, ILoveReading said:
That Jensen prefers Dean being in the thick of action and that he wasn't thrilled with how his character was written in s8 and he was glad that story was done.
Hmm. I disagree, but fair enough.
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Thanks, I just watched and I'm confused. What is your interpretation of that comment?
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3 minutes ago, catrox14 said:
Dean was under the influence of the Mark of Cain for the past two seasons which fueled much of him going it alone. Even so, Sam went his own way with his plans to remove the MoC from Dean regardless of Dean's objections.
So? What does that have to do with Dean's characterization?
QuoteLast season Dean asked Sam for help with dealing with Amara.
When was that? (Genuine question because I don't remember.) And what do you mean by "dealing with"?
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5 minutes ago, catrox14 said:
Jensen asking for Dean to no longer behave like the badass, smart, action oriented hero in his own show in which he has historically been so proud of Dean being a badass if he got nothing else? I wouldn't think so.
4 minutes ago, ster1 said:Jensen is the biggest Dean fan out there. He loves badass Dean just as much as his fans do. Even if Jensen did ask for some extra time off, I can't see him asking for Dean to be neutered and/or be made irrelevant.
I guess I'm just not seeing it. I'm curious to get to my end-of-season stats because the first half was fairly standard.
But that still doesn't answer my question -- why do people think that Dabb hates Dean/Jensen? Why do you think that any member of TPTB would intentionally hurt the show?
One more thing:
10 minutes ago, ster1 said:The last times those happened under Gamble & Carver, Jensen made it pretty clear he wasn't thrilled.
Link?
1 minute ago, ILoveReading said:Also Jensen's reaction to the back half of s8 when asked what was in store for Dean in s9, his answer was "I'm glad I'm not playing guilty cheerleader anymore."
This, too.
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1 minute ago, ILoveReading said:
Dean seems to be asking Sam how to they go about that too. Sam comes up with the idea of thinking like Cas and Dean asks how they do that.
You are certainly entitled to that interpretation, but it is not one I share.
I see this as growth for Dean. In the past couple of seasons, it was Dean's way or the highway. I'm glad that he's asking for help/input from Sam. It makes for a more equitable partnership.
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Isn't it possible that Jensen asked for this? Why does everyone assume that Dabb hates Dean/Jensen?
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44 minutes ago, catrox14 said:
I thought he took it from his lap and put on the table but I only watched the promo twice.
But yes how it got on the table is immaterial to my concern. Sam is character holding the broken pieces and looking at them whilst Dean is asking 'Can you fix it'?" Dean is not asking "How can we fix it?" .
I think Dean is more concerned with "fixing" whatever is wrong with Castiel. The Colt is secondary, at best. Again, doesn't bother me; I think I prefer it, actually.
But to each their own.
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32 minutes ago, catrox14 said:
Sam holding the Colt in his lap
Probably doesn't matter, but it wasn't in his lap. It was on the table.
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Meh. I'm not bothered. I heard "Can you fix it?" as "You're the one working with the MoL archives -- have you seen anything that would hint at how to fix it?"
I mean, honestly, if Dean could have fixed it, wouldn't he have done so back in season 3? They've both learned since then, but we've been specifically told that Sam has spent more time with the MoL archives than Dean has. I would expect Sam to have knowledge that Dean doesn't, at this point. But that's why they work together, because their knowledge and skills complement one another. Sam is more "book smart" while Dean has the instincts.
But mileage varies.
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We're also coming up on finals, at both the high school and collegiate levels. I tend to think that has an effect on ratings, as well.
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Hear, hear! I miss Rowena. Her campiness brings some much needed levity to the show, I think. I also think she could have been used against Kelly -- woman to woman, mother to mother. Plus, I would have liked to see Rowena make a play for the baby.
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Henry broke a window to steal the Impala -- the doors must have been locked that time.
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I think TPTB (assuming they kill the nephilim, which I wouldn't be surprised if they did) has missed a rare opportunity.
I know people don't like the story, but I truly believe that it could have gone somewhere interesting. It's something completely new -- a child of an archangel! No one knows what he could do. It's a blank canvas for the writers.
What if the kid isn't evil? What if he had all of his father's resentments towards God, but none of his evil intent? What if all he wants to do is to genuinely make the world a better place? Not like Amara wanted, but a world free of disease and famine and suffering? How would they stop that? Hell, why would they even want to stop that?
Because it's against the natural order. (As if that's been a problem for them in the past.)
Because it's in conflict with the concept of free will. (If no one ever suffers consequences for their actions, do we actually choose what we do?)
Because it has unintended consequences. (Because it always has unintended consequences.)
*sigh* But they'll probably just kill him.
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I wish the show had made the nephilim female instead of male. Then, uninterested in having Lucifer for a father, she could have gone off to live with Jodi at her Home for Supernatural Wayward Daughters. There she could have taken classes in Working with the Local Police with Professor Mills, Hunting Vampires After Successfully Luring Them In with Professor... uh, Alex. (Does she have a last name?) Oh, Spell Casting and Creating Your Own Coven with Professor Rowena, and, of course, Negotiating with Angels with Professor Novak.
Of course, Professors Winchester could drop in from time to time as Guest Lecturers. ;-)
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5 minutes ago, Geordiegirl1967 said:
I can't find this. Anyone have a link?
http://www.spoilertv.com/2017/04/supernatural-episode-1220-twigs-twine.html
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http://www.spoilertv.com/2017/04/supernatural-episode-1222-1223-season.html
Quote"Who We Are" - (8:00-9:00 p.m. ET) (Content Rating TBD) (HDTV)
FAMILY - Caught in a dangerous situation, Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles) only have each other to rely on. Meanwhile, the fight between the American Hunters and the British Hunters comes to a head. John Showalter directed the episode written by Robert Berens (#1222). Original airdate 5/18/2017.Quote"All Along the Watchtower" - (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET) (Content Rating TBD) (HDTV)
EPIC SEASON FINALE - Lucifer (Mark Pellegrino) battles Sam (Jared Padalecki), Dean (Jensen Ackles) and Castiel (Misha Collins) for control of his unborn child. Robert Singer directed the episode written by Andrew Dabb (#1223). Original airdate 5/18/2017.-
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“Bitch” Vs. “Jerk”: Where We Discuss Who The Writers Screwed This Week/Season/Ever
in Supernatural
You said that you didn't have a link to a quote, but that I could probably find it. To which I replied that I don't go searching for info that others assert to be out there.
Secondly, I have asked no one to "prove" anything. I have asked for clarification, which is how discussion works. I was under the impression that the Bitterness thread was for bitterness, not this one. I thought that discussion was called for here. I'll get clarification.