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I love Logan, too. I don't have much else to add about this episode, but I will agree that what he does with the tapes is so colossally stupid and yet well-intentioned. I always prickle at the moment where Logan says that Lilly was the "love of [his] life," though. Please, boy, we know it'll always be Veronica.

This is one where the central mystery isn't so great, but I love the other stuff that's going on. I love that Jackie helps out and Wallace doesn't know it. Also, props to the show for making a connection between the deputy/bouncer in a previous episode letting Veronica into Club Thin in this episode.

As much as I've never been a Duncan fan, the ending of this episode always makes me cry. I love the closure we get with the fortune cookie at the end of this one (the numbers as a LOST shoutout aren't bad, either), and I think the way Veronica and Duncan pull off the escape is really masterful. This is an excellent one, and an excellent way to say goodbye to a character.

This is quite possibly my favorite episode of the season, at least in terms of Veronica's snarky one-liners and general hammy attitude. It looked like she was having a lot of fun, which I always enjoy. There's also a lot here that hints at future stuff. While I think Mac and Beaver are super cute, too, I think Alas, I don't feel all warm and fuzzy about Logan and Hannah. I think Hannah might actually be the worst. There's something about her that makes my skin crawl. I can't put my finger on it...I hate her? I think her line delivery is awful, awful, awful, and her baby voice feels forced. She's on the show too long, plot point or not. That being said, the moment where Veronica puts together who Hannah is and how she's connected to Logan? Priceless.

The scene in the bar is almost too much for me to handle. It's incredibly well-done.

This is a really brutal episode, and the music that plays at the end of the episode, when Lamb drops off Duncan and Veronica and then parks his cruiser outside the Manning's house is really sort of tonally perfect and haunting. I've always wondered how Lizzie Manning was able to get away with being so "oversexed" at school when she was living in what's essentially a religious lockdown state in her house.

Poor Logan forever, indeed. He strikes me as one of those perpetually tragic characters, in the same vein as Marissa Cooper from The O.C. (albeit with a much stronger acting ability). I think I remember reading that part of the reason they wrote in the "Wallace leaving" story line was because they had budget constraints and needed to have a series regular sit out some episodes. It's possible I dreamed that, though. I don't like the episodes where Wallace is gone and Veronica is sad.

I do love the set-up for Vice Principal Van Clemmons to become Principal, and I love how much they play up the fact that Veronica is a thorn in his side as well as an ally. He's completely aware of how good she is at getting to the truth of something, and it's nice to see that play out here.

I always assumed that Jackie was telling the truth to Wallace and she only fed the psychic the Mammomax stuff, not the stuff about Lilly.

What I like about Jackie screwing up is that you start to realize exactly how screwed up she herself is. What she does to Veronica sucks, but it's also not entirely her fault that the psychic preys upon Veronica's semi-famous self to up the drama on her cable-access show. What's interesting for me as a viewer this time around is how much more accepting I am of how everyone acts in this episode. I understand Veronica's anger, and I understand Wallace's frustration with her need for constant vengeance, and I even understand Jackie's hackles being raised by how possessive Veronica is of Wallace (and Logan, and whoever else). Also, I'm not sure what they did to Tessa Thompson's eyes in the scene at the dance, but holy geeze, are they ever glazed over. It was a nice touch to illustrate how totally lost she is as a character.

It's not one of the series' strongest episodes, no, but I do love the recurring theme of jealousy. Did you notice that every song in this episode (I'm pretty sure, at least) is about jealousy? I've always loved that. Alicia is the worst, and I've sort of always thought so. Rewatching this story with her unfold isn't changing my mind at all.

Much as I like seeing Charisma Carpenter have a job, I'll never get over how squicked out I get whenever I see her with Logan. There's some nice twists here, and probably my favorite scene is between Veronica and Kendall when she swaps the iPods. I don't know why, but I love that scene.

It's a fun cameo by Kevin Smith, for sure. I like that he has a sense of humor about himself. Jackie is a hard character for me, too, because I think she demonstrates some growth throughout the season, but only slightly, because she still sort of sucks at the end. I get wanting to bring in a love interest for Wallace, and I actually really like the way that the show explores Veronica's relationship with Wallace through the addition of another female. But, yeah, she's kind of the worst.

All very good points, and I agree with you on nearly all of them. I will say that I'm pretty sure the first episode covered the fact that witches could have more than one power, but only the Supreme would possess all of them. But apart from that, this show is bonkers. I can't stop watching, though.

Yes, this episode is fairly devastating. The bus going over the cliff is still sort of shocking--it comes out of nowhere! And as much as I don't care for Veronica and Duncan as a couple, that moment when he realizes she wasn't on the bus and grabs her is pretty moving. I like the fact that the show doesn't pull any punches in setting up the season's overarching mystery here. It feels like the stakes have been upped, too, in some ways. A certain amount of credit should be given to the show for being able to pull off so much exposition to catch up viewers--a lot has happened since the previous season--but it never feels like too much. At least to me. Also, there are some funny moments here. My favorite scene is when Keith gives Wallace advice on how to perform for the drug test--and the resulting shriek of horror from Wallace. I don't know why, but that makes me laugh every time. And Gia is great. Kristen Ritter is someone who surprises me in every role she's in.

I have a hard time with the whole "consensual" thing, too. I don't know--I feel like the addition of Duncan having been drugged is supposed to make us feel better about what happened between them. Also, Duncan might have thought Veronica was his sister because of what his mother had told him, but he didn't feel like she was his sister. They weren't raised together, so it didn't feel as squicky? I don't know. It wasn't actually incest, but it's definitely in that gray area where I'm not sure how I'm supposed to feel. Sometimes I wonder if I would have felt differently if a stronger actor had been in the role of Duncan. Probably not, though.

This is definitely one of the series' most tense episodes, and the pacing is really excellent all around. We get lots to chew on with regard to the season's mystery being wrapped up but still leaving the viewers with a lot of questions. Veronica's mom is pretty much the worst, right? Also, that dream-scene with Veronica and Lilly in the pool makes me tear up every time. When Veronica says, "Like this. Just like this," I can't stand it. It's really well done. I didn't start watching the series until the season 2 premiere, so I didn't have to wait the whole summer to find out who was at the door, but I still think that was a masterful way to end the season.

I don't have much to add here, because I think you summed up the episode beautifully, @Lisin. Playing with timelines and multiple character perspectives is done really, really well here. I love this episode for that. I love how fast-paced this one is, and how details from this episode come into play later.

This is an episode that I love, despite the fact that the central mystery isn't that compelling. Why? Because of the kiss. Duh. I'm always going to be Team Veronica/Logan, despite the fact that they're quite volatile, and that kiss on the balcony of the motel is epic. Plus, I'm going to watch anything that has a grown up Jonathan Taylor Thomas. My inner preteen can't help it.

Meg has always been a problematic character for me, because she's kind of a Mary-Sue, but also because she seems like such a fairweather friend. Maybe that's partially on Veronica, too--maybe Veronica's guardedness and cynicism push Meg away so she doesn't try so hard--but I never That being said, I've always liked this episode, despite the fact that the central mystery is sort of lackluster. I think Veronica does some nifty detective work with tracking down Steve the dog (plus Wallace gets that awesome line about drunk dingoes), and I love me some 80's clothes. Side note: did anyone else think that the artist's sketch of Duncan wasn't very good? I remember watching the episode for the first time and being like, "Who is that supposed to be?"

I love that the show isn't afraid to let Veronica be wrong and really screw up every once in a while. I feel like this is a great example of her wanting to be right because she loves Rooks as a teacher. She's also letting her anger at Carrie Bishop bias her against the case. Something that has always, always bothered me about this episode, though: are we really to believe that Rooks was trying to seduce Veronica in the end, there? If so, why would he do that after she had just cleared his name? Or am I completely reading that scene wrong?

I just finished this episode and don't have a lot to add to the discussion, but whenever it's a Meg-heavy story line, I always find myself thinking about how Alona Tal originally auditioned for the role of Veronica. I wonder how different the show would've been with her in the lead?

This is excellent. I've successfully converted a few people (my sister, my boyfriend), but it definitely took some cajoling through episodes two and three. From here forward, I think I'll apply this four-episode rule. Well-played.

Yeah, that sweater became a great inside joke.

This is the first episode where I feel like they started to have some real fun with the mysteries. I quite like the pilot, but episodes 2 and 3 do absolutely nothing for me. This one feels like it sets it back on track for me, and it's all gold from here. I'm always happy to see Wallace and Veronica getting into hijincks together, and when she pretends to be drunk and calls him "Papa Bear" is one of my favorite things. And the Lilly tribute at the end always makes me tear up.