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I did notice more drinking in the revival to the point where it seemed that Lorelai and Rory drank more alcohol than coffee.  Which was probably at least partially because Rory was older.

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32 minutes ago, Taryn74 said:

For me the worst was in the Revival when she was trying to flirt with the park ranger so she could go on the trail or whatever it was.  I was like, honey, please, stop.  Just, stop.  It was embarrassing to watch.

I hated that scene so much--really didn't need to see a gratuitous and longer than necessary scene with Lauren and Peter Krause.

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2 hours ago, Katy M said:

Yes, I would say that Gilmore Girls' parts were better than its whole. 

So much so that for me, all of the wonderful parts add up to way more than the whole of any other show I've watched.  When I rewatch it's because so many scenes, probably at least one in even the worst episodes, make me happy.  I find that to be true of all seasons of Gilmore Girls (though to a much lesser degree in season 7) and in the revival.

 

3 hours ago, clack said:

GG's best virtues were always its mood, atmosphere, tone. There was some accidental magic there that no other show has ever been able to replicate, not even those produced by AS-P.

My unpopular opinion is that there's a great deal of talent that helped create the magic along with the accidental part.  In ASP's newest pilot I could feel magic in the creation of characters and a fictional world in a way that makes me want to return and impatient for new episodes.

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10 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

Today they showed Lane's baby shower,

The part I love most is when Lane says she'll do everything for her kids just like her mom did for her.  Like mother like daughter in the most important ways.

On 6/20/2017 at 10:49 AM, Lady Calypso said:

It's on all three of them, but out of all of them, I put the least amount of blame on Lorelai. 

I would be on board with that except for the fact that Luke was the one who had his world turned completely upside down by finding out he had a 12-year-old daughter less than year ago.  Yet Lorelai makes it all about her.  It's true Luke didn't handle things in the best way, but it still isn't her place to decide how long it should take him to figure things out and what he should do.  Lorelai had a perfect right to talk to him about it, to tell him how she was feeling and see if they could figure something out that felt better for both of them, while still giving Luke the time he needed to adjust.  And after Anna's freak out over the party would have been the perfect time since it was so obvious Luke's coping strategy was not working.  Going to Anna behind his back and the subsequent ultimatum went way over the line, in my opinion.

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1 hour ago, Anela said:

Luke should have defended Lorelai, introduced her, and presented a united front. His actions weren't those of a committed partner. Not really.

I agree Luke should have done that on his own.  But that doesn't justify Lorelai going to Anna instead of Luke.  As a single parent I would have expected her to understand that.

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10 hours ago, Anela said:

Except I think that Lorelai told Anna that they were engaged, and she said that it still wasn't enough: they weren't married. Then Luke freaked out on her for going to see Anna at all (he handled it all wrong, as well - the whole thing). 

Well, being told by your child's father that he's engaged and then being introduced to his fiancee vs. having said fiancee show up at your place of business and selling you on her and their relationship are two very different things.  I've always felt Lorelai was way out of line in going directly to Anna--she should have gone to Luke and asked him to introduce them.  And even though Luke did handle it badly, I think it's more because of his reserved personality that doesn't always understand social niceties and that ultimately he was just trying to do the right thing for everyone.

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49 minutes ago, FictionLover said:

All the drama from the party would have been avoided if Luke would have been honest with Anna about being engaged to Lorelai...

I agree that it was a direct result of Luke keeping his life with April separate from Lorelai.  No, he wasn't obligated to fill Anna in on his love life but being engaged, or living with someone, implies a higher level of importance in someone's life.   It made sense for Luke to ask Lorelai for help when the party tanked, but he forgot that he hadn't officially introduced Lorelai to April or Anna, something that he should have taken into consideration when he involved her in a party that he offered to throw.  I think this is what Luke meant when he told Lorelai "I didn't think it through."  Which by the way was similar to when Chris invited Rory to spend a few days with him and Sherry before Lorelai and Sherry had been introduced.

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1 hour ago, andromeda331 said:

Yes, a normal parent might be surprised to hear his girlfriend was there and maybe ask to let her know next time if that was going to happen. 

Anna wasn't upset that Lorelai was there but that Luke allowed someone she didn't know to stay upstairs with April and her friends while he slept downstairs. 

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ANNA: How am I supposed to explain that to the other girls' parents? How am I supposed to tell them that I left their kids all alone with a woman I've never even met? Who does that!

The situation itself was contrived--after the movie Lorelai didn't really need to stay for the sleepover anyway. Thirteen-year-olds need someone nearby who checks on them but not constant supervision.

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2 hours ago, voiceover said:

I'm an auntie, not a mom, so -- all you moms out there: Was Anna right to go ballistic over Lorelai's party assistance, or was it just another dumbass awkward irritating obstruction for L&L?

Anna maybe did overreact, but I think it was reasonable to be upset that Luke let a woman who was a complete stranger to her to stay upstairs with April and her friends.  We know Lorelai is a mom and overall responsible person but Anna didn't.  Girls that age are impressionable and you don't want to get  a phone call from another girl's mother about information that was inappropriately shared when she was at a sleep over with your daughter.  Also in my mind the fact that Luke, even though a man, is April's father and who is known to some of the other kids and parents gives him more credibility and familiarity than another adult who isn't even a parent of someone you know.

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Lorelai realizes Sookie is the Toblerone thief at the inn and settles down to watch an episode of Dark Shadows.

Lorelai shows Sookie Rory's baby things and tells her about the night she was born. (Festival of the Living Art)

Lorelai saves Sookie's first date with Jackson by taking down her hair and taking them all to Luke's. (Double Date)

Lorelai takes champagne to Sookie and Jackson's to celebrate their exciting challenge of the closing of the Independence Inn and not being able to buy the Dragonfly. (Those are Strings, Pinocchio)

Sookie insists on taking Lorelai out on the town after her breakup with Luke. (So, Good Talk)

Luke keeps Lorelai from taking down the bag boy on double coupon day and bringing down the town. (Kiss and Tell)

Lorelai speaks up for Luke at the town meeting when they met "to deal with the Jess situation."  (The Ins and Outs of Inns)

Luke offers to teach Lorelai to fish. (Lorelai Out of Water)

Lorelai yells at Jess after Luke and Jess's argument about Liz and TJ. (Nag Hammadi)

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First off, I guess I see Rory as too introverted to want it to be her job to report on TV.  Secondly, she seemed much more attracted to print than other media.  Also, mainly due to work environment, I see career as a much more fluid thing that changes and grows depending on each individual's experiences, personality, and preferences as they go out into the world.  Expecting a high school or college student to know exactly what they want to do and go straight for that seems rather impossible.  I saw Rory's quote from season 1 as being more focused on the experiences she wanted to have rather than a role she specifically wanted to fill.

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3 hours ago, Melancholy said:

But it's counterintuitive when she said that she wanted to do what Christiane Amanpour did but without qualifying that she didn't want to be on TV

Well, she did mention it a couple of times:

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HEADMASTER: Why do you wish to be Christiane Amanpour?
RORY: Well, I don't wish to be her, exactly. I just want to do what she does.
HEADMASTER: Which is?
RORY: Travel, uh, see the world up close, report on what's really going on, be apart of something big.
HEADMASTER: And to be part of something big you have to be on TV? Why not lead the police on a high-speed chase? That's a quicker way to achieve this goal.
RORY: Being on TV has nothing to do with it. Maybe I'll be a journalist and write books or articles about what I see. I just want to be sure that I see. . .something. [he glances down at her papers] You'll notice the debating team's also missing from my resume.

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RORY: Oh, thank you. I want to pursue a career in journalism.

Christiane Amanpour: That’s good, is it print you want? Television? CNN, maybe?

RORY: Oh, I'd love to work for a major daily.

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3 hours ago, junienmomo said:

It was an inappropriate story, but Lorelai had been asleep.

So?  That's a valid excuse for telling a story about Richard at his own funeral that implies he was neglectful parent?  I don't think either Richard or Emily deserved that kind of treatment from their only daughter.  My point was that a lot of Lorelai's behavior is directed at proving she was justified in leaving home when she did, and it really shows in that scene.  I'm glad Lorelai left home when she did, and feel it was somewhat justified.  But hurting your loved ones at a time like that over things that happened years ago is taking it too far.

4 hours ago, junienmomo said:

Emily is the mother, and even with parenting of adults, the actual parents should take a guiding role.

And as an adult, Lorelai should have had the compassion to realize her father's funeral was not the time to try to prove to everyone there she had a negative childhood.  Emily is always going to be manipulative.  If Lorelai sees that a problem she should have brought it up in therapy and talked about how it affects her instead of sitting there and saying nothing.

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How about these?

"You know, you ever think maybe you just got lucky with Rory? I mean, you did get pregnant at sixteen. That doesn't show the greatest decision making skills, now does it?"

"And you won't have to hear my opinion on anything ever again, okay?"  "Oh, don't tease."

"Add it to the list of things you can't have because you're with Lorelai"  "Like peace?"

"Does it act all peaceful and Bambi-like and then suddenly attack like the rabbit in Monty Python?"

"So you want me to get under water, swim along with the boat, breathe through a straw?"

"Maybe it’s gonna get another swan and come back and make a fight of it, huh?"

"Don't sit on any cold benches."

"Shouldn't you have a marching band behind you? The Budweiser Clydesdales prancing along, Ann Jillian waving in the back."
 

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A few of my favorites:

"At least she had a husband to kill."

"Are you trying to kill me?"  "Nope, it'll just be a perk."

"Why are you not on Prozac?  It was invented for you."

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44 minutes ago, junienmomo said:

Lorelai suggested grief counseling from an open heart and Emily manipulated her into coming too, then quit and blamed Lorelai for not changing because of the therapy. 

That's what I thought at first too.  And yet, Emily wasn't wrong for being upset about what Lorelai said about Richard, especially at his funeral, a time where you put aside your differences and do everything you can to support each other.  Sure she was manipulated into therapy but would it have killed Lorelai to try to talk about some of their issues, maybe at least apologize again?  Her blanket apology was pretty worthless without any specifics.  It seems now like Lorelai refused to talk so she wouldn't have to admit to any fault in their relationship.  It's possible Emily really did want to try to improve their relationship and Lorelai more or less stonewalled her.

And the therapy was about Richard in the sense that Emily needed to know Lorelai loved and appreciated her father and being a part of the family.  Otherwise, Emily was grieving all by herself if she believed her only daughter could care less.

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48 minutes ago, scarynikki12 said:

but I never saw anything about Yale that dazzled Rory so much that she was willing to give up her lifelong goal for it. 

I understand feeling this way, but the point was that Rory makes decisions with a pro and con list, and the results were that Yale was way ahead of the other two schools. Rory did seem excited about Yale when she moved in and later also.

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8 hours ago, junienmomo said:

Then the revival opens, she's had ten years of a stable relationship with Luke, Rory has had a good career, she even gets along with her parents, and then Inn is doing fine. What in the friggin' world does she have to be angstig over?

She gets along with her parents?  It was pretty obvious that she hadn't been getting along with Emily at all since Richard's funeral, in fact, hadn't spoken with her since then.  The conversation with Luke re: kids was a direct result of retelling Rory about what happened with Emily.  After the funeral, Lorelai's relationship with her father was like the elephant in the room that she didn't want to discuss, or even think about.  How many therapy sessions did she sit through with Emily when she could have easily brought any of it up for discussion in a safe place but only offers Emily a blanket apology?  Except for the therapy she only contacted her mother when Rory pushed for it.  Another red flag was when the therapist asked why she hadn't married Luke and Lorelai replied she just didn't do things like her mother.  That made it pretty obvious her relationship with both of her parents still had a profound influence on her life.

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Don't forget the town meetings!  Although those were usually times I enjoyed Lorelai acting out.  I read a blog review not long ago that speculated Lorelai's personality was largely formed from being a hurt child who was trying to prove she was different and better than her parents.  It does make sense of her behavior in social situations, where Emily's voice was probably always telling her how she "should" behave, and even the times she went way over the top trying to prove her point (calling Pennilyn Lott her almost-mommy and her wildly inappropriate story at Richard's funeral come to mind).  The reviewer went on to say that Lorelai did Wild in the revival not because of her relationship with Luke but in an attempt to resolve her mixed feelings about her father, and that she finally grew up and found closure and healing with both of her parents when she called Emily.  I know it seems late to achieve maturity, but she's not the only person of that age to have yet to do it.  Better late than never.

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6 hours ago, JayInChicago said:

I just hate that Chris "wins" Lorelai through use of money. She really is quite hypocritical.

I don't know, to me, it feels more like both are written out of character than Lorelai being hypocritical.  In season 2 Chris and Lorelai sat on a bench together bonding over how neither wanted their parents' lives.  In season 6 Lorelai and Rory politely turned down Chris's offer to buy them castles and breweries.  If there was a situation where a bribe was needed, wouldn't it have been done reluctantly, downplayed, and with a healthy dose of "Am I turning into my father/mother?"  For me, it was one of many times in season 7 that the characters were a little off and it felt like a different show.

My UO is that I would rank both season 6 and AYITL higher than season 7.

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3 hours ago, Melancholy said:

I'm as anti-Chris as anyone but I didn't have a problem with him bribing the French restaurant to open early.

I don't have a problem with that either, just the way that Lorelai acted like it was so cool.  She even said "do people really do that?" like she wasn't brought up by Emily and Richard who never hesitated to use their money and social standing to get whatever they wanted.  I do agree that what Lorelai and Rory did to get tables at the diner was worse (even if it was pretty funny).

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8 hours ago, Anela said:

I know that Rory didn't run away from it, but that's why I was surprised that Lorelai was fine with it. Usually her attitude would be, "Rich people" in an "ugh" way. 

Not only was she fine with it, but delighted and impressed.  I hate that episode so much.

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1 hour ago, Melancholy said:

But to add the UO part, I think Lorelai's behavior in that triangle was worse than Rory's with Dean and Jess.

 I would agree with this.  It often surprises me how many viewers side with Lorelai and use her perception of the truth to argue her case when it seems so obvious to me she's in the wrong.  It may be that she's more of a lead character in the show with a more compelling personality than Rory. 

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22 minutes ago, Kohola3 said:

L and L knew an awful lot about each other and their histories (well, except Luke's Dark Day) and were supportive in the ways of good friends.

But since most people act differently with friends and romantic partners, how long and how well they already know each other really has limited value.  Besides, finding out you could have a daughter you didn't know about is big enough to make anyone's behavior less predictable.  I didn't have a problem with Luke not spilling about the hair pulling immediately because April told him he was one of three candidates.  Why tell your fiancee right away when there's only 33% chance that it was him?  Luke didn't even know who her mother was until he saw her last name at the science fair.

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5 hours ago, junienmomo said:

Not just best friends, but also engaged! It's absolutely out of character for that to happen.

I don't know.  There's huge difference between being friends and dating/being engaged especially for two people who are completely convinced they're bad at long-term romantic relationships.  I think that helps explain a lot of their actions that seem out of character.