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18 hours ago, meangirlsstink said:

for as bad as Tom blew it by cheating...Ariana has not even been close to being a solid partner. She emasculated Tom putting him down in front of everybody over and over (she has his back when she is in the mood and it doesnt involve her friends),  NOTHING in the bedroom going on, when Tom tried talking with her about being unhappy she told him he was wrong and stupid about everything he brought up,  looking like she is showering once a week or two and CONSTANTLY being negative and a bummer for the last 2 or 3 years.   When a woman emasculates a man he will drift into another womans arms who is giving him positive reinforcement for sure...just gonna happen!  I mean Tom goes out of his way to make her her favorite coffee every morning, doing the shopping and he is always telling her how beautiful she is and on and on and on with ZERO positive feedback.  Ariana has turned into a complacent bummer and was getting worse by the day.  Tom told her he wanted to break up 3 or 4 times AT THE MINIMUM and she talked him out of it every time which is nuts!  He should have just bailed when he first wanted to and been done with it.  

As bad as Tom blew it by cheating and lets get a grip here...thats ALL he did! He doesnt deserve to lose his business or the way he pays the bills over a failed relationship gone wrong whic he tried to get out of numerous times and stayed to try and make it work.  No excuse, should have left the relationship first but it did not happen that way but he doesnt deserve to have his businesses vandalized, cars vandalized and on and on.  RIDICULOUS that this has gotten to that degree.  Ariana needs to take her share of the blame.  She has not been a good girlfriend much less a "life partner" the last couple years as she likes to claim she was.  This is pretty simple and should be a huge lesson for everyone on relationships.   Get complacent and lazy and negative on top of emasculating your man is recipe for bad news.   Emasculate = losing your man...for sure! 

Toms fake crying is hard to watch...just saying!

Sandoval cheated because Arianna emasculated him? Give me a break.

Sandoval cheated because that's what he does - his history demonstrates that. When he got caught and people tried to hold him accountable, he tried to DARVO because that's what he does - his history demonstrates that.

Arianna told him what she needed for them to resume physical intimacy. Sandoval didn't want to do the work to fix that aspect of their relationship, and maybe that's because he already knew that he wanted out of the relationship so it seemed pointless, but he didn't do the work to end the relationship, either.

Arianna's got flaws of her own. The relationship was never as strong as the way they presented themselves publicly. There were problems aside from the cheating. All of that can be true and none of it matters because at the end of the day, the reason that they're in the emotionally volatile situation they're in right now is because Sandoval is the kind of selfish person who would rather risk hurting someone than risk his own comfort by committing himself to do something difficult (break up).

I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turned out that Sandoval "forgot" to delete the video (which is apparently his normal practice, per his talking head) in the hopes that Arianna would find it and do the work of ending the relationship so that he didn't have to.

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Congrats, Sandy, you've done it. After years of never agreeing with Scheana "Always on the wrong side of history" Shay, I've now finally seen a scene where I'm with her all the way.

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Schwartz: "Me, me, me, me, me."

Ain't no one feel bad for you right now, bitch.

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Schwartz seriously texted Arianna and:

1. Immediately tried to distance himself from the blowback by claiming that he told Sandoval he needed to come clean

2. Claims that Sandoval was going to tell her, but she found out the truth first

3. Has the gall to say "hope you don't have too much ill will"

4. Complains about the amount of backlash he's getting and the anxiety that it's giving him.

You know what that text doesn't say at any point? I'm sorry. The word sorry does not appear anywhere in that block of text.

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Imagine not having the willpower to resist Tom Sandoval. With that moustache. With that white-out looking nail polish. With that "let me insert myself into this conversation just so I can scream at a woman" energy.

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"I'm not complicit in this," says guy who knew about the affair months before Arianna and spent the season trying to help Sandoval set up his exit from the relationship narrative. Scumbags, both of them.

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Sandoval is basically the personification of the narcissist's prayer:

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

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5 hours ago, bosawks said:

All I'm asking from this episode is that Schwartz is incredibly unhappy.

I'm a petty bitch.

Table for two, please.

Sandoval: "I didn't want to hurt you." Translation: I didn't want to deal with your justified anger at me.

[Episode Discussion II: The TFGH]

7 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

What's wierder is that she's technically not premed yet.  She brought it up to Carly a month or so ago but I'm pretty sure you can't change your courses while actually taking your courses, which means she would likely have switched over at the end of this school year, which just ended, and started the pre-med classes in September.  

In real life, sure, but she'd be on the soap opera accelerated learning program where you decide that you want to be a doctor and then 20 episodes later you're in med school and then a year after that you're starting your internship, and then two years after that you're in the running to become chief of staff.

6 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Robin's name wasn't brought into it, that was my extrapolation. Robert was scolding Anna for risking her life as if she was a child or had a child at home to take care of.

Which is especially galling when you remember that all those years when Robert and Anna were thought to be dead and Robin was still a child at home, needing to be taken care of, Robert was roaming around the world doing WSB stuff.

But, yeah, the pearl clutching from Robert was a bit much considering the many decades during which both he and Anna have taken wild risks with their lives.

6 hours ago, Daisy said:

It's like Nina's "Identity Theft" charge Michael tried to set up.

Identity Fraud, a crime so totally real and not at all made up that I'm surprised they didn't tack on a misdemeanor bitchery charge for good measure.

[S10.14: There's Something About Her]

3 minutes ago, Jel said:

Wow, it was 85 minutes!? Definitely stopped for me at 63 minutes. I’m on the west coast and was also watching live. Slice has been hyping this show like crazy for weeks. Episode airs and right when it’s getting good, they cut it short for a rhom rerun! Smdh

Sorry, 75 minutes. I must have still been drunk on rage from the episode when I was doing the math.

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16 minutes ago, Jel said:

Godammed Slice tv just ended the show at the 60 minute mark. Right in the middle of Raquel exposing her inner demon. There will be a strongly worded letter to follow!!!

Really? I watch on Slice and got the whole thing - I watched it live, though, and it looked like the listing had it only running 60 minutes instead of 85 for some reason.

[Episode Discussion II: The TFGH]

4 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

For some reason the show insists that we root for the Carlys and for the mob. The characters who turn them in or stand up against them or are presented as competition tend to lose or die. The town tends to line up with their pitchforks, tar and feathers to tell them off as they worship at the altar of the Carlys. And of course any transgression by the Carlys must be instantly forgiven. Let's all pretend it never happened.

I very much hope that when the show ends, it goes out with the rest of the characters waking up from this fever dream, realizing that they've been worshiping at the altar of criminals, and banding together to run the Carlys out of town.

Or, better yet, the show can kill them off one by one Loving murders style - if the show is cancelled, you've got nothing left to lose anyway.

 

3 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Drew's outrage that Olivia would stick up (halfheartedly) for HER OWN HUSBAND versus her (terrible) friend Carly was B-E-Y-O-N-D.  I'm not kidding, Drew's worse than Ryan Lavery now.

(Why I'm casting my eyes back on this show just to get annoyed, I haven't the foggiest).

Drew can die any time. When CM first joined the show, I didn't think I was still suffering from Ryan Lavery PTSD, but today's episode proved that I am. I can't with this bitch.

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Rachel, here's a tip: leaving Katie alone is always an option. All you had to do was nothing. All you had to say was nothing. You could've just hung out with Schwartz on the other side of the ficus.

If an entire bottle of wine had "accidentally" spilled all over her white outfit, it would have been the least she deserved.

I'm not even going to get started on Schwartz because my negative thoughts on him could fill an encyclopedia.

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1 minute ago, bosawks said:

Her eyes reminded me of that quote from Jaws, “You know the thing about a shark…he's got lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eye. When he comes at ya, he doesn't seem be living, until he bites ya and the black eyes roll over white.” 

The Scandoval's got the producers saying "We're gonna need a bigger boat!"

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WOW, this exchange between Arianna and Rachel. Rachel is a straight up psychopath - Sandoval better sleep with one eye open.

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If I didn't feel so bad for Arianna, I'd find it almost hilarious that we keep getting these scenes of Sandoval and Schwartz trying to preemptively create a narrative of Arianna being some uncaring shrew followed by scenes of Sandoval and Arianna in which she's reassuring him that she likes him, that she doesn't think he's dumb, that she's not mad at him for various shitty things that he's done, and trying to meet him half way when he brings up his "concerns" about the relationship while he flounders because she's not reacting in a way that will let him slide into that victim role he so desperately wants.

Sorry, Sandy, you suck too much to pull this off and Arianna isn't Katie - she's not going to blow up at you so that you can deflect the way Schwartz successfully managed to do for so long.

3 minutes ago, bosawks said:

Raquel deciding to spend $800 on, basically, an STD necklace is pretty on brand at this point.

But it's an investment.

[Episode Discussion II: The TFGH]

32 minutes ago, sunnyface said:

Is it legal for Dianne to represent Carly for the duration of her case when she has been on retainer to Sonny? 

If Sonny waives conflict, she can.

But what Dianne absolutely should not be doing is representing Carly and Drew because their interests are bound to become adverse in this case. If Drew is the big fish that the SEC really wants, then Carly will inevitably be offered a deal to turn on him to save herself.

Carly won't take a deal, of course, which means that one of the following will happen: (a) nothing - the plot will just fade away because the show doesn't know how to end stories; (b) Drew will fall on his sword and take the blame for everything in order to spare Carly; (c) Nina will somehow end up in jail, where Carly will visit her on a daily basis to gloat.

[Episode Discussion II: The TFGH]

1 hour ago, JMO said:

If Drew IS supposed to be in trouble, then why not Michael?  Carly's his mother, it would only be natural to think she'd gotten her information from her son.  

This is what I've never gotten about this storyline - and I'll preface this by saying that I know very little about how the SEC works, so maybe I'm off base - but if one person suddenly started buying up a ton of stock in a company in a short period of time, wouldn't that get flagged to someone at the SEC as something to check out? And if someone investigated, wouldn't they connect Carly to Michael and Aurora? Michael is a shareholder in Aurora, right? So if his mom suddenly started buying up a ton of stock, that would indicate that she thought something major was about to happen with the company.

Anyway, I'm only 10 minutes into the episode and I don't know if I should even bother with the rest:

• Nina groveling to Carly? FFW
• Joss and Dex for a second day in a row? FFW
• Counterfeit Lois and Brooklyn doing their best Carly and Joss impression at poor Ned? FFW
• Michael and Willow? FFW forever and always

[Episode Discussion II: The TFGH]

Victor: "I am not having a very good day."

Me: 🤣

The Carlys are so hateful.  What I wouldn't give to throw them all in a pit.

I can't decide whether Liesl would be the best or worst person to be with in a crisis. On the one hand, she keeps a cool head and her eyes on the prize. On the other, if she's willing to sacrifice herself for the greater good, she's willing to sacrifice you, too.

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If Raquel's dry eye cry in her confessional about aging out of pageants is as good as her acting gets, then I see why she still "works" at SUR.

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The editors are sure having a good time tonight.

So, aside from the Sandoval/Arianna/Schena/Brock/Schwartz scenes, I'm assuming that all the other scenes featured in the first 10 minutes were constructed and scripted after the fact - except, maybe, the scene where Lisa calls Sandoval and bitches him out for Raquel being late for work.

As bad as I feel for Arianna, Ken waltzing in, announcing the goss while looking like he's trying to remember his lines, and then waltzing right back out made me lol.

[Episode Discussion II: The TFGH]

5 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Hello, Helena! Constance Towers looks fantastic and I still don't get why they killed off her character.

Constance Towers was the highlight of the episode. It was worth tuning in just to see her.

5 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Also there was no call to tell Ava "it was a lovely wedding for everyone who was invited." Carly is really horrible.

I'm sure Ava spent the evening crying into her wine about not being allowed to go to Michael and Willow's wedding. Not everyone gives a shit, Carly, so show your broke ass out the door.

With this being an anniversary year, and having recently watched a lot of 93/94 episodes, I've found myself wondering a lot what the show would look like now if Sonny had remained the short-term character he was originally designed to be. Maybe the Carly character still would've been introduced, and maybe the show would have stuck with her even after losing Sarah Brown, but without the Sonny-Carly relationship anchoring the show, would Carly still be around today? In the absence of Sonny and Carly, who would the show be built around now?

[Episode Discussion II: The TFGH]

8 hours ago, ffwbe said:

They used scab writers during the last strike so I wouldn’t be surprised if they go that route again.

Maybe they can go with no writers. I mean:

* Spencer and Trina almost get to do something couple-ish but then don't

* Something happens and Carly and/or Joss gets to spend several scenes having an opinion about it even though it has nothing to do with her

* Something is Nina's fault

* Something happens with Liz and we get to focus on how Finn feels about it

* Sam is in a scene where she's not actually needed, except for the purpose of reaching her episode minimum

* Curtis is a dick about something

* Portia cries

* Victor plots

* Tracy or Scott says something clever

* Sonny mumbles something

* Michael and Willow talk about her death, but she comes no closer to actually dying

* A plot last featured 40 episodes ago spends a couple of scenes being moved forward before going back into cold storage for a few weeks

ChatGPT fills in the details and there's your episode.

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6 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

I feel like some trauma in James's life caused him to stop maturing at a young age and now he's some kind of hybrid of grown man and adolescent, excitable, and often sad boy. Not an excuse for his behavior, but maybe a factor.

James is not someone I would ever want to be around in real life, but after seeing his parents on the show, I do have some sympathy for him. He really had no chance of becoming a normal, functioning person being raised by those two.

That being said, that shriek he let out when he got what turned out to be water in his eye was the best part of the episode. I'm giggling just thinking about it.

[S10.12: Beach, Don't Kill My Vibe]

Aww, it makes Sandoval sad when Ariana calls him out on being a dick?😥 Maybe someone should show him a supercut of all the times on the show when he's needlessly yelled at women, because that did seem to be his favorite pastime before it was supplanted by sleeping with Rachel.

And look at the two Toms, rolling up in that scene and setting the table for a "Poor Tom, Ariana is so crazy and mean, no wonder he left" narrative.