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I completely understand that. I agree. Since the Reunion is about airing grievances and tying up loose ends, I think Garcelle should've brought that up to Sutton in front of the group. I think it's perfectly acceptable to ask Sutton why she's friendly toward them when she doesn't even really like them, and we know they don't like her. I'm actually curious to know why she wants to be friendly toward them. Maybe that way we can all suss out whether it's genuine interest, or she's afraid of them, or she's plotting for next season. I think Sutton would save face by leaving the show at this point. I think you were in my brain this morning because I was wondering the same. We all understand what motivated the different HWs to come onto the show. Maybe for Sutton, it was about promoting her store/fashion line? She's kind of all over the place, and I'm never quite sure how to read her. That said I think her staying on the show is as ego-driven as the other HWs staying on it too. Also, I maintain that Sutton seems more interested in a friendship with Erika, and I think it's their shared Southern (Georgian) roots that drives it. Both were raised by a hardass mother/mother figure (grandmother), and I think Sutton is drawn to that because Erika came out of that experience as a different person (seemingly more confident and self-assured) than she did. It's too bad they don't get along because Erika (instead of Kyle) going on the Augusta trip with Sutton and Garcelle would've been more interesting to watch.

I've been through that before too, so I hear you. Our opinions are based off our own lived experiences. I think it's wonderful that there are people who will go to the mat often for their friends. That's commendable behavior. And I believe there are moments when friends should have each other's backs, but not every time. I'm also the kind of person who, if you tell me something in confidence, I'm not going to blow up your spot to everyone else. That's where these women get into big trouble, but it's also the point of the show these days: creating discord and carrying grudges for multiple seasons over perceived slights. In the case of Garcelle and Sutton, I didn't think Sutton was evil for not wanting to go after Kyle (again) about Morgan, and for not wanting to accuse Dorit/PK of staging the robbery. These situations have nothing to do with Garcelle. If they had been, and Sutton sat there silent, then she should've been torn 20 new assholes for not defending Garcelle. Do I think Sutton could've been a better friend? Definitely. She really dropped the damn ball in this Reunion. But I also remember that Sutton would consistently compliment Garcelle both on camera and in her THs for how proud she was of Garcelle for her career moves, the beach house, etc. So it's not as if Sutton has never been supportive of Garcelle. It's more that she could've done a better job as a friend, but Sutton acknowledged that she needed to be a better friend near the end of the Reunion. Although it might be too late for Sutton to fix things with Garcelle, she can learn from this fuck up, and be a better friend to others going forward. Jennifer commented that Sutton is a different kind of person when she's on the show vs who she is in real life. Since they've been close friends for years, Jennifer would know better Sutton than pretty much anyone else. Jennifer certainly doesn't hide when she disagrees with Sutton, and that's how a real friendship looks to me.

I really hope Sutton considers leaving the show. She really bungled her reputation during this Reunion, regardless of whether people think she should've joined Garcelle in the Dorit pile on. This was the Dorit/Erika/Kyle season. They succeeding in dividing and creating chaos among the other HWs, and drawing in the bulk of the fanbase to their side. I'd leave the show to them, and let them turn on one another next season. Just go live your best lives.

Boy, does she ever. This is something I hope she works on in therapy. I think she still has a lot of unresolved issues in her life. I also agree with you that Dorit doesn't mind being the asshole because it gives her all the camera time. That's really the point of this show anymore.

Those not in her comments: Sutton, Garcelle, Dorit, and Kyle.

I don't watch LVP's other shows. So, she's close with Scheana? I remember Brandi being upset that Lisa would side with Scheana over her. That's when they had their nuclear fallout on the show. I guess that means Brandi was right about who LVP would save in a fire. 😂

To reiterate: I stand firm in my belief that Sutton needs to leave the show. I think her time has come to its end. I think the longer she stays on it, the worse she'll look by the end of next season. If she goes away now, I think she can repair her image if she lies low and moves on from this group of women.

Also, I was taken aback when Sutton said Reba hadn't watched the season, yet. Boy, that's going to be an awkward convo. Especially with regard to Sutton's TH about how her mother and her ex-husband are narcissists. 😶

Once again, I think even Boz agreed that Dorit was being intentional with the jabs. And once again, makes me wonder what she's getting out of Dorit's behavior.

The only complaints I have about Garcelle are the ones I've brought up in the other Reunion threads, which are that I don't agree with her and Jennifer going to Kyle & Co about Sutton because 1) She didn't ask them to do that. 2) It made Sutton look weak, and made the situation turn uglier during their final St. Lucia dinner. Plus Erika outed Garcelle and Jennifer for going to them behind Sutton's back. I think that Garcelle and Jennifer should've discussed their feelings, etc. when they were alone with Sutton. I felt like that was the right time for them to tell her why she was wrong in the argument, and also for Garcelle to explain why she was upset and disappointed with Sutton. I truly believe that would've made for a more meaningful scene between Garcelle and Sutton. I do believe Garcelle held back kind of regularly with Sutton, instead of going all-in. When Sutton brought up that that was their "first fight ever," I found that interesting. As Sutton's friend, Garcelle should feel as if she can be totally honest with Sutton about Sutton. Which also makes one question how deep their friendship actually was if Garcelle didn't feel comfortable going that deep. I'm not blaming her for that, though. I find it sad, really, because I enjoyed their friendship on the show. That said don't think a friend should (ever) go behind another friend's back to discuss that person with their enemy (enemies), regardless of their intent. I think that's something that someone who really values you wouldn't do. I also didn't care for the moment Garcelle said, mic'd up, how she was expecting the other ladies to go after Sutton, instead of her. I mean, they had been going after Sutton all season anyway. It almost gave off the impression that Garcelle preferred they go after Sutton and leave her (Garcelle) alone. I've no doubt Sutton watched this show when we did and noticed her friends' comments about her in their THs, and toward the other HWs. That might partially explain Sutton's lackadaisical behavior at the Reunion. She might have been over this season too. Plus it makes sense to me that she could've felt somewhat fucked over by them too. When anyone comes after me for something I've said (along with others), I never say "But So-and-So said it too, so don't just get angry with me!" I take it on the chin, and keep it moving. I might say something to the other offenders later (and privately), but I don't throw friends under the bus. Hell, I don't throw people I dislike under the bus, even if they agree with me. I think it's a shit move to drag everyone into an argument that's not going to be resolved easily, and one that potentially ends with everyone even angrier with one another. I completely understood Garcelle's frustration with the other HWs, and don't disagree with her. I would've been over the bullshit too. I'm glad she peaced out because the show had served its purpose for her. I think it's best that she went out on a high note, and as a fan favorite. Those were two incidences where she kind of lost me, but that's because of how I view friendship. Everyone has their own criteria on what's important to them.

THANK YOU! This will never not bug the shit out of me. Sutton's takeaway that she's glad she and Erika seem to be in a good place irritated me. She doesn't need to gas up Erika, or Kyle.

I mentioned something in another thread kind of along those lines. I kind of wonder if Sutton had expected to become closer to Erika based off their shared heritage. Also, their mothers sound as if they have similar personality traits (for Erika, it would be her grandmother, since her grandmother raised her). As @ivygirl mentioned, we're talking about their shared Southern roots, and not generalizing all Southern women. I don't disagree with Sutton asking questions about Tom, etc. because it's obvious that the other HWs had those same questions. In the end, that was never going to go well for Sutton because Erika never forgets a slight, as where Sutton is more inclined to want to move forward after apologies are given. Sutton has a shit ton of issues in how she reacts in arguments, so I'm not going to defend all her blunders, but after confronting Erika, there was never going to be a real chance for them. I think she keeps holding out for the tiniest bit of hope. I don't know. Sutton mentioned, a couple of times, that she thought she and Erika were finally on the same page. That's why I get the impression this isn't really about Kyle. Erika wasn't the one who openly said she didn't care that Sutton wanted to be her friend, but Kyle said that twice. I didn't care for Sutton mentioning that her takeaway for the season was that she and Erika seemed to be on better footing. I think her comment should've been about Garcelle and their friendship. Ultimately, I believe viewers decide how they felt about what went down at this Reunion with regard to how they feel about these two things: 1) Whether you believe any of the HWs are real life friends, or if they're merely coworkers performing friendship for the camera. 2) What friendship means to you, and what your criteria for a good (and healthy) friendship includes.

Also I was entirely amused by Kathy trying to finish everyone's sentences for them. LOL. Jennifer's the best Friend Of because she sits back quietly, listens and make the occasional face, but only responds when directly asked a question.

I agree 1000%, and honestly I don't think anyone should bring their real life friends (the ones they most cherish) onto this show because I feel like those friendships implode by the time one of the pair leaves. Everyone seems to believe that Kyle is the person Sutton is "most desperate" to be friends with, but after last night, I don't think that way at all. Sutton seems more attached to the idea of maintaining some semblance of a friendship with Erika, despite everything Erika has said about her. I haven't decided why I feel this way, yet. I think fear and insecurity drives a lot of what Sutton does and says. And really, it's not even just about Sutton. I think the other ladies (minus Garcelle, Jennifer, and Kathy) are afraid of Erika. We all watched her behavior after Tom got busted. The way she snarled at people like she was Satan. I'm old enough to remember when Rinna started out by talking shit about Erika and her stage act. Now she's like Erika's biggest fan. Even Kyle and Dorit have had their share of criticisms about Erika, and yet they kiss her ass now too. Whether I think Erika is more bark than bite, who really knows? But I honestly believe her "friendships" on the show are really fear-based and not because any of the HWs truly like and trust her.

I'm going to write up something more in-depth later. I'm certainly not going to be defending a lot of what she did at the Reunion, or in general. I do know, lurking around the fanbase, that all of them are bashing Sutton for being a shitty friend. I can see why they think that way, but I kind of have a slightly different take on that. I've covered it in the other threads, but I'll mention it again within the context of Part 3.

Sutton's arc kind of reminds me of the Harvey Dent (Batman: Dark Knight) quote: I still don't entirely dislike her, although I know others have changed her minds about her.

One thing I will say now is that Jennifer plays the part of "the bubblehead" way better than Kathy ever has.

This blew my fucking mind. The Richards sisters are always walking over hot coals about what a wonderful human being Big Kathy was.

I'm guessing the police and the insurance company are trying to avoid being talked to death by Dorit.

I mean, even Boz acknowledged that Dorit made a threat toward Sutton. Kind of boggles the mind she still wants to defend Dorit. I'll write more later after I'm finished with a work project. LOL. My opinion is likely to differ a bit from everyone else's here, though.

This Reunion was incredibly boring and didn't need three parts.

I will say that Sutton has her comments shut off on her latest IG post about a lavender blazer available via her store. 😂🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm going to have to watch the first ten minutes of this later because I missed it live. But I'm bored at this point, and Garcelle is definitely over everything. Her voice cracking in that one moment really got me. 😔

*Nevermind 😂

This is, kind of, what @Yours Truly was getting at with that second response. I was reading their thread about the Reunion Part 3 preview where Garcelle leaves at the end before taking the cast photo. This wasn't some blowup moment as it was originally edited to be in the trailer. FWIW, I think Garcelle had one foot already out the door at the end of Season 13. The continued bullshit in this season solidified her desire to leave at the end of filming/at the Reunion show. She was over it. I also suspect Sutton sensed she was over it, or knew outright that Garcelle would be leaving.