Surrealist

I can't believe we have two more Reunion episodes to slog through. This forum is going to be a mess. 🤣

So yesterday, I listened to a couple of episodes each of both Crystal & Cynthia's podcast, and Rinna & Harry Hamlin's. Just to get a feel of what those were like, and surprisingly I enjoyed them equally. I listened to the episode where Crystal talks about the "14 friends" b.s. (more like 7). I walked away with a better understanding of what happened, and how that affected how she projected herself on the first season of RHOBH. She started to cry a bit at the end. Also, I've never watched Atlanta, but Cynthia seems really cool and she's a joy to listen to as well. I listened to Rinna and Harry's episode where Lisa talked about Lois's run-in with that serial killer. Holy shit. The details were brutal, and even Harry didn't know every little detail about what happened. Lois had metal plates put into her head and lost her sense of smell. She didn't tell Lisa why she had metal plates put into her head until Lisa was 18. But anyway, Harry brought up the fact that everyone thinks she's a villain because of how she played it on the show, but that the real life Lisa isn't anywhere near that same person. Rinna seemed far more normal and subdued on the podcast. I mean, she's still Rinna, but isn't acting nuts. She didn't call anyone out by name on the show, but used their first initial instead. A listener asked what her RHOBH dream cast would be, and Lisa said the FFF, Eileen, Yolanda, and even LVP and BRANDI (which blew my mind), but she was thinking in terms of a cast who would really bring it, and she's not wrong with them.

🤣😭 I was hoping that Andy, when Erika asked if it was the same table, would've said, "I mean, you should know, since we let you borrow it for your remodeling scene."

I also think that, initially, people were on Brandi's side because of how public her divorce was and because the HWs were always ganging up on her for every little thing. Brandi's flame out is probably the show's worst because she went all the way down to the gutter toward the end of her run, especially with regard to her feuding with Joyce (which turned full-blown racist). I have no idea why the hell Brandi thought no one would care she went there. Now she's pretty much universally hated by the show's fans.

This had me cracking up. 🤣 I agree with you about Sutton's lack of composure in confrontation, and in defending herself. It's something she desperately needs to work on. She needs to learn to take emotion out of arguing, as difficult as that sometimes is to do.

Ah, I watched that dinner party clip of Dorinda telling Candace "Wanna know how I'm doing? Not well bitch." But I didn't know the full backstory on why Dorinda was being hostile toward her. Wasn't Candace a friend of Sonja's? Sometime I should watch those seasons, maybe. Lol ETA: This is what I just found:

But Erika would probably say she is. 😜

Is your extended family interested in doing their own reality show? Erika could join as a "Friend Of."

I wish Bravo would leave them in!

I apologize! I assumed grief was part of it. I've only seen a handful of episodes from the earlier seasons she wasn't on, so I don't know every facet of their backstories. 😬 I should ask my cousin, who's responsible for me tuning into RHOBH (because I recognized who some of the ladies were from the jump), and ask if she knows more about the Dorinda stuff to get her take on it. 🤔 I trust her observations.

For what it's worth, I realize Dorinda's problems are fueled by her alcoholism and grief over her second husband's death. These aren't problems that Rinna had, although I suspect Brandi might be an alcoholic.

Exactly! What's hilarious is that I remember the one Reunion where Rinna said to Brandi, "Whatever happened to you as a child to make you this way?" And Brandi responded that she had a great childhood. Brandi's main issue was that she never got over Eddie cheating on her with Leann Rimes, and then they eventually married (still married too!). She took her anger out on everyone else because of that, and not because she had a shitty childhood. Rinna stepped way over the line, and even Andy was done with her by the end of Lisa's run. I get the impression it's similar to how he felt with Dorinda (who had become increasingly nasty and cruel toward her castmates). I saw this on IG, and it's a recent interview. It's just a couple of screenshots, but seems clear that Boz isn't Kyle's biggest fan, even though this season has ended. We mentioned at the same time! 😂

One thing I really like about Boz is the way she confronted Dorit about Dorit's fight with Sutton. She pointed out how Sutton apologized and that she needs to accept that and move forward. Boz also held Dorit accountable for her role in her spat with Sutton. Boz also spent time with Sutton alone to hear her side. Boz didn't need to walk away from that exchange as Sutton's friend, but that's how I think you best manage interpersonal conflict. Boz made Dorit feel heard and respected, while also pointing out where she might be in the wrong without insulting/yelling at her, or trashing her in THs. A lot of the fights on this show skew passive aggressive, so I respected that Boz acted maturely and tried to handle things in the proper manner. I'm kind of on the fence about Boz, but I do like how she handles conflict resolution. The other ladies could learn from her.

Rinna had one of the worst pivots on the show. Initially, she was ridiculous because she played it as if this were another soap opera job, but then she decided to turn mean. I wish I kind of understood what her strategy was in doing that. I don't think it had (entirely) to do with Lois dying either. That became a convenient excuse for her meanness, however.

I agree with @Yours Truly in that Garcelle has been trying to develop a relationship with the others. Despite the fact she'll point out the ways in which Sutton puts her foot in her mouth (or whatever), it's not going to be enough for them. They wanted Garcelle fully on their side against Sutton. They've been trying to drive Sutton off the show pretty much from the time Sutton showed up. They were never going to be happy with Garcelle being friendly with Sutton and with them. Obviously all these ladies come onto the show to promote themselves, their brand, and their new projects (Garcelle, Boz, Sutton, Erika, and Dorit). I think Kyle did this as a way to re-ignite her acting career, which I suppose puts her in that previous category I mentioned. I think they've been pretty strategic about what they're doing on the show, but Sutton, Erika, and Dorit have faltered a lot for various reasons. Out of the three, I don't think Erika and Dorit were mainly on this show looking for new friends, as where I think Sutton kind of was (in addition to the fashion line, etc.). I'm confident Sutton was the one who said Dorit approached her to remind Sutton that they were doing a job. In hindsight, a lot of Sutton's reactions and this season's flame out makes sense when you keep that in mind. I think that's why it might seem I'm defending her. I can see that reading my previous responses in this thread. I have had my issues with her this season. For sure. I'm just tired of seeing people act like the FFF have never done wrong, and if anyone reacts to them, then that person's the real evil on the show. This is what's pissing me off the most. Not that Sutton is always right or innocent, but that she takes a lot of shit that should also be directed at a lot of the other HWs who've done worse shit. No one on this show is an innocent little lamb. I want to see the vitriol applied evenly across the board with all the HWs. So that's where I'm at right now. 😂 "The eyes are poppin'." I've watched a handful of the OG RHONY eps on the HWs Pluto TV channel. Those women are off-the-chain, but Ramona is WOW. 🤣

Erika's so confusing. She literally tells Sutton, on camera, you've apologized to me more than once and we're good. Two seconds later, she'll be like, "Well, I'm just reminding you of what you said."

I didn't read through the comments, but checked Kyle's latest IG posts to see which HWs showed up. I saw Kathy, Dorit, Boz, and even Jennifer comment. Nothing from any of her other castmates.

🤣😭 I know, I know, I know that Kathy is problematic and that some viewers can't stand her on the show, but for me, she provides some degree of comic relief because everything else feels way too serious. @RealHousewife Exactly. FWIW, I don't agree with fans going after any of the HWs on their socials (even the ones I don't like very much). I think it's in poor taste. In the same vein, I wish fans left the HWs children alone (even the adult kids). Their moms chose to be on the show, and even if they agreed to be on the show, it's still not their gig. Also, include extended family members and real life HW friends. Some people don't have boundaries when it comes to others. It's disheartening. I think the kids would refer to that as a self-own. 🤣

Ignoring the typos and choppy punctuation, this fan response is solid.

Definitely. 💯 So much of the focus has been on what exactly happened that drove Garcelle to walk off the stage. I'm kind of wondering if we're going to see more of a Kyle v Dorit fight, especially after Kyle admits that she and PK still text each other. There was obvious tension between the two. I was annoyed that Sutton didn't own what she said about Kyle offscreen, but I was pissed at how she sat there after Kyle said, for the second time on camera, that she doesn't give a shit whether Sutton cares about her, and that that's her problem. If I had been Sutton, the first time I watched Kyle say that to Garcelle and Jennifer (while watching the show), I would've been done with her. Followed by Kyle calling Garcelle and Sutton "Mean Girls." Unless Sutton has something up her sleeve regarding Kyle, she shouldn't be seeking a friendship with her. Kyle sucks as a human being.

A few years back, I unfollowed the celebrities I had been following. This includes the HWs I was following. During the season, I might check a few of the women's socials to check the temperature of what's happening on the show. But I don't want to go down that road. It's also why I left the show's subreddits a year or so ago. You start feeling emotionally drained after a while because it's chaos. I think we have a good mix of fans here who are funny and interesting. I don't see the psychotic stuff. I'm grateful for that, which is why I stick around. I'm not sure I'll keep watching this show, though because it seems to get worse and worse. I worry that Boz will find herself on the end of their wrath for something they've made up in their heads. And while she can hold her own, it's not fun for the rest of us to watch unfold. This part. ☝🏻

I always wondered why Harry Hamlin stays married to her, but I'm guessing he sees a side of her that she had hidden from the viewers. I think Rinna became too committed to playing her HW persona as Lisa Rinna playing Taylor McBride as Lisa Rinna. Then she went dark and turned pretty nasty. Initially, I found her more amusing than anything because I felt she started out by acting as if she were on a soap.

I made the mistake of looking at Garcelle's and Jennifer's IGs. A lot of fans were jumping onto their comments talking serious shit about what happened on the show. There was body shaming with regard to Sutton, and people telling Jennifer that Garcelle was so boring and they were glad she's leaving, and to take Sutton with her. I saw someone comment to Jennifer that they hope Sutton is a better friend to her than she was to Garcelle. There are many, many more tasteless comments out there, if you're interested. Obviously none of the HWs have responded back to these people, but I couldn't get over the audacity of fans thinking they have any real world knowledge about the dynamics between all these women when the cameras aren't on. I think a lot of this fan nonsense is what drives the content of my comments on this thread. Not because I think one HW is a perfect lady over the others (although some HWs have been legit assholes), but it's the sheer nastiness of the fanbase in general, which sounds similar to how the FFF have been talking about castmates for years. It blows my fucking mind that there are viewers who think behaving this way in people's social media channels doesn't paint them as entirely unhinged and nasty. I apologize for going a bit OT, but this stuff is related to what we saw on the Reunion (and during the season in general).

When Andy brought up the robbers returning Dorit's cell, you could almost hear The Price Is Right fail horn going off right over her head.