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If Nicole or Cliff win veto, I hope they have enough sense left to get rid of Jackson. They made this way more complicated and risky than it needed to be.

I can see the argument at the double to take out Christie, but then to be handed an opportunity to weaken Jackson who is beasting everything is inexcusable to me. I don't care what "deals" you have. Even if Tommy was blowing smoke up their asses, at least with Tommy you had a chance that he'd vote out Jackson. To think Holly or Jackson would go against each other is pure madness to me.

I can see the jury not voting for Cliff or Nicole for the simple fact that they didn't take the shot at the showmance when they had the chance. Even Vanessa knew to cut Austin when the chance came in S17. There comes a point in the game where you have to play to win.

To clarify, Holly not winning HOH maximized Jackson's odds. Yes, it's still a 50/50 shot at veto, but with Holly HOH there is no target in front of Jackson as Cliff or Nicole will not vote each other out. If Jackson or Holly do not win veto and they are both on the block, then Jackson has Nicole and Cliff snowed into keeping him for F3 and clipping Holly.

@elle I think Nicole being HOH takes away her chance to vote. If Holly was HOH, Cliff and Nicole are on the block. One wins veto, Jackson goes up and out and one of Cliff, Nicole control vote. With Nicole HOH, Cliff is only potential voter so the odds for Jackson and Holly to control the vote are greater.

I actually don't think Tommy is going to "poison the jury". He gets it's a game and he will just tell the rest of the jury exactly what happened - that Jackson sold the lie, plus Cliff being threatened by him is what sent him out. I do believe he is going to talk up Nicole in the jury house because they got really close and he really seems to like her.

Here is how I think the votes can go if it's Cliff vs. Jackson (this in Cliff's mind only - I don't think Cliff would win vs Jackson personally): Cliff: Tommy - Cliff may think the way he left may sway him toward his vote Christie - Cliff may feel she will vote with Tommy Nicole - will vote for him Jessica - because of how bitter she would be toward Jackson Nick - Nicole could influence his decision (plus Tommy being pissed at Jackson and the lie) Jackson: Holly - will vote for him Sis - possibly will vote for him Kat - will vote for him Jack - will likely vote for him Whereas, if Nicole was with anyone in a final 2, because of her underdog story and the jury voting not on pure gameplay, I can see her getting these votes: Tommy - because he really likes her and her story Christie - she respects Nicole and her underdog status Jessica - she doesn't have a penis Nick - he was rooting for Nicole when he left Sis - because she was pissed at Jackson and Holly That's just my feeling for now. Could change later.

Nicole has won too much and is too well liked for Cliff to go with her to F2. I think he feels he can win against Holly or Jackson. ETA: I don't think Cliff feels the jury is all that receptive to Jackson and he can make an compelling argument against him.

Nicole's mistake was never questioning Cliff"s motives. Keeping Holly only benefited Cliff, whereas keeping Tommy was better for Nicole and the better game move IMO. If Cliff is evicted this week, Nicole has to win Part 1 or 2, then final HOH. Yes, Tommy could have won the game if he was still there, but her odds of actually getting to final 2 were much better.

Guess the handshake was to throw HOH for their vote. Only veto matters.

Cliff and Nicole have to win out from now on. Only way they make it.

My understanding from reading Jokers is Jackson listened in on Nicole, Cliff and Tommy talking. He then went to Cliff and Nicole and twisted things to paint Tommy as playing them for fools. Then promised Cliff he'd vote out Holly and take Cliff and Nicole to F3 or some such nonsense. Cliff and Nicole need to realize that even if Tommy lied to them there is no way in hell Holly or Jackson are not sticking together. This Holly will be happy with F4 is such BS.

If they keep Holly, I hope Cliff and Nicole can accept the outcome of one of them most likely not making it to F3.

Jackson has seemed to flip this vote. Let's see if it sticks.

So far they are leaning toward keeping Tommy. Let's see if that changes overnight/tomorrow morning.

Holly asking for one more week is telling Nicole and Cliff that they will go to F3 with Jackson which is the person they think they won't beat.

Holly crying about staying for just one week. She's trying so hard to sell being happy to go out in F4. After her chat with Holly, Nicole told BB to call her to diary room to chat and they called her. Holly going for round 2 with Cliff now. I can't wait for Nicole and Cliff to talk after this campaign.

Holly laying on the guilt trip to Nicole. She'd happily go out F4. She would never get over it being evicted on Jackson's HOH.

So far Nicole and Cliff have taken it really well. They confirmed they sorta knew already because of the wall yeller. They all have been joking about it since. Now we have to wait to hear Holly's campaign and if that makes a difference. ETA: Jackson making the jury vote argument against Tommy to Cliff and Nicole.

Tommy just told Nicole and Cliff his big secret.

I don't think Holly and Jackson know that Cliff already knows about Tommy's secret because of the yeller. Cliff has had weeks to process and in the end he says it doesn't matter, at least so far. I'm not sure how much Nicole knows or if this will spook her. Either way, Cliff and Nicole need to make the decision that gives them the best odds of both making it to F3, and that's not with Holly there IMO.

When Jackson and Holly spill Tommy's secret, will that make Cliff and Nicole want to evict Tommy?

I think getting rid of Holly is best for Cliff and Nicole. Can't worry about F3 if you never make it because Jackson and Holly win F4 veto. You have to maximize your odds and win comps.

Too bad Tommy spilled his secret. He has 4 days to convince Nicole and Cliff but gave ammo to Jackson and Holly to use against him. I want Holly gone for personal reasons. I think leaving in Holly, there are two people playing for F4 veto next week where you know what they would do. With Tommy he is just one person not really locked in to anyone. A gamble either way.