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Drew Cain is funny and kind, and when he loves, he loves with his whole heart.
(Not just a part of it!)
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I don't think Morgan's coming back in the immediate future.
If the show hangs on for another three to five years, either in its present form or on a streaming service, I'll be surprised if the Morgan death is one that sticks. I am already surprised he's stayed gone this long. It would be an easier death to walk back than some deaths they have walked back in the past, and it allows them to add another guy in his twenties or thirties who's connected to a lot of characters—most of whom have "most favored" status, whether we feel that way or not—and has immediate story.
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It had not occurred to me before now, but the Ava/Sonny situation isn't 180 degrees from the beginnings of Carly/Sonny in 1999-2000. In both stories, Sonny and a woman toward whom he has hostile feelings end up sharing Sonny's living space for Reasons. Both have been disappointed in the outcome of their most recent relationship. (It goes without saying that in both 1999 and 2024, Sonny's immediate previous relationship soured over a "betrayal."). Over time, he gradually warms up to the object of his resentment.
It's even taking place on what we're meant to accept as the same set (although the front door is now at stage-right and all that).
The biggest difference is that the first time around, the woman (Carly) was being allowed to stay with Sonny because they had had their hate-sex first and she was expecting his child. Fortunately, Sonny and Ava played the pregnancy beat a long time ago. But really, even that part is the same—the woman gets in the front door because she's The Mother of My Child.
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On 2/10/2024 at 6:39 PM, coffee drinker said:
I started watching GH in 1996 for Jax/Brenda. Stayed for the early Jason/Elizabeth story. Not sure I'd know how to view them now given all the history [...] IMO, the time to have really done Jason/Elizabeth was when SBu returned in 2002. Instead we got the "flabby" four with Sonny, Carly and Corky. Blech. :(
I agree. I remember this promo for a Zander/Elizabeth/Jason triangle during the summer of 2002, when Burton had just come back.
I was still naïve enough to think that if they went to the trouble of making a commercial hyping something, and even ran the commercial in prime time, it was going to be a significant story. Ha. ALW's Courtney was the shiny new thing, and Guza and Pratt quickly wrecked Liz/Jason to facilitate Courtney/Jason (by some accounts because Brian Frons was all about Courtney/ALW).
I'll never forget the scene of Tamara Braun's Carly telling Liz that she had had her chance and blown it, and now Jason was over her. Anyone who remembers the Tamara Braun Carly can picture the expressions and hear the vocal tone. She couldn't have been more smug about it if Jason had started sleeping with her.
The Liz fans of that era really felt like Charlie Brown going trick-or-treating and getting a bag of rocks. Not for the last time.
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On 1/23/2024 at 11:14 PM, jsbt said:
People have been blaming Korte for the writing for Carly since before Guza came back in 2002.
Or praising her for it, if they're Carly fanatics. In the early-2000s heyday of SoapZone, the pro-Carly contingent treated Korte like the high priestess of their religion. Whenever a storyline was coming up that made them worried about their gal, like Sonny getting closer to Alexis, I'd see comments like "I have faith in Elizabeth Korte." They hoped she would eventually become head writer.
I haven't seen much mention of this in the discussion, but Bradford Anderson is another actor who should be pleased, as Korte is a Spinelli fan too. I believe she once described him as a "truth-telling character" and said BA was an actor who was a delight to write for. (This was early-days Spinelli, who had nicknames for everyone.)
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On 1/20/2024 at 7:13 PM, ljr said:
Is crimson printed or digital? nina start her own magazine?
On 1/20/2024 at 7:23 PM, Daisy said:it's printed (i can't remember if there was a digital version)
I think there is. I recall a story years ago—shortly after Watros took over playing Nina—in which Ava agreed to cooperate with a profile in Crimson to shore up her image. When it was published, much of the reaction from readers was negative. We saw Ava and Nina scrolling on phones or tablets as if the comments they were reading aloud were under the article, rather than coming via email or snail mail. Ava and Nina as besties wasn't a thing yet at that point.
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Whenever I see comments about the "veterans" not being featured enough, I fear that someone associated with GH is going to take that to mean Dex and Drew, since they were in the military.
Sonny's face when he turned around at the hospital and saw Nina was hilarious to me. Mo overshot the mark just enough for it to be funny. The face he made is more appropriate for turning around to see Nina in a clown costume handing out popsicles. I had to freeze it on the spot; I needed a few more seconds with it. Then I made a side-by-side with a meme of a bewildered cat. You're welcome.
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4 hours ago, Grinaldi said:
I remember Laura and Carly being actively antagonistic at one point when they were both working at I want to say Deception? Pre wig on a stick days
That's correct. Laura needed Sonny's backing to buy and revive Deception, and he made it a nonnegotiable condition that she take on Sarah Brown's Carly as a partner. She had gone to Edward first, but the deal he offered was even worse.
They fought constantly. To buy time in one of her schemes, Carly locked Laura out on the roof of the building in freezing temperatures at one point. Something she'd do again many years later with Nelle.
Carly and Laura as cosmetics queens (with their exuberant gay assistant, Elton) is a chapter that doesn't come up much, even when Deception's history is discussed by characters or fans. I think it was begun under one writing regime and continued under another, and begun with one Carly actress and continued with another, and it never amounted to much after all the setup. When Sonny threw Carly out shortly after Tamara Braun took over the role, he also sold her share of the company to Laura. Carly then had the humiliation of showing up at the office and being told by Laura that she was out on her ass. After that, I cannot remember ever hearing about Laura's cosmetics company again. We moved on to defrosted Stavros and all that.
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7 hours ago, Artsda said:
Alexis and Bobbie flashback is what they used? That wasn't exactly the best.
My main takeaway from it was a reminder of Nancy Lee Grahn's slow-motion aging process. I don't remember that Alexis/Bobbie scene specifically, but Kiefer was around in 2009-10, and I assume Alexis would have been talking with Bobbie about domestic violence then. Alexis looks pretty much the same 14 years later. Yet, at 67, she isn't showing the downside of some actors who go to great lengths to keep the same appearance. She still has expression in her face and doesn't look like a shiny smooth android.
This funeral episode didn't turn on the waterworks for me. They're hitting most of the standard soap funeral beats, but it's...pro forma. The best I can say is that at least they're not dealing with the loss of a decades-serving actor/character in a single episode, but spreading it over a few.
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14 hours ago, statsgirl said:
Didn't Carly once slap Liz at Kelly's when she was working as a waitress there? Something about Jason sleeping with Liz.
I recall two occasions when Carly slapped Liz. The first was when SJB's Carly was pregnant with the baby she would ultimately lose. Liz came to the penthouse at Sonny's invitation, and he wasn't home yet. Carly ordered Liz to leave, Liz said she was going to wait for Sonny, and it escalated. Liz threw it in Carly's face that Jason had left town without even saying goodbye to Carly. The other time was in the Laura Wright period and again involved Jason. Carly had just learned that Jake was Jason's son and showed up at Liz's house. They argued, and Liz called her the town whore.
But they had a number of verbal run-ins when Liz was waitressing at Kelly's. After Robin left town, no one got under Carly's skin as much as Liz. Their hostilities lasted for the rest of the time SJB had the role (Face of Deception cosmetics campaign and all that) before going on the back burner when Tamara Braun took over. The most memorable altercation at Kelly's was the time Liz told her, "Sonny lost a baby. You lost a meal ticket." The Carly fans never let go of that one. (Of course, Carly said her share of ugly things too, and was usually the one starting the fights.)
I thought Herbst and Wright did a good job in their scenes today, although I feel as though I've now seen about a dozen scenes of Liz and Carly playing nice while acknowledging that they've never been friends or have had bad history. Franco's gravesite, Liz's living room when she was burning pictures of her family, the meal they had (with flashbacks) while talking about their kids...it's like Groundhog Day.
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On 1/6/2024 at 12:14 PM, CeChase said:
I just laughed so hard, I didn't know Diane said that. She must be doing meth!
The "pure muscle" line was in the Claudia Zacchara era. Diane was pointing out that Sonny was so much bigger than Claudia, and some situation involving them would look bad with a jury. It was a great laugh and has stayed in the memories of all who watched that episode.
14 hours ago, dubbel zout said:(she didn't like that Alexis's lung cancer story was wrapped up so quickly and was vocal about it; Guza then wrote the execrable Dobson story),
Dobson (when Kristina was a baby) came a few years before the lung cancer, so it couldn't have been that, but I would buy that it was punishment for something. Awful story.
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17 hours ago, ffwbe said:
I’m not surprised that Carly is going to take center stage and it does make technically sense but the Carly/Bobbie relationship didn’t interest me in the slightest and I associate it with Bobbie’s end as a main character. Also, her only storyline with Carly was with SJB’s version so I can’t imagine any interesting flashbacks. With LW‘s Carly, she basically got brought out a few times a year to either be a talk to or fill out a room at an event.
This is a good point. I think GH viewers' intensity of feeling about Bobbie will depend on when they started watching. To someone who started watching in the '70s, '80s, or '90s, she's a major figure in the show's history. For someone who started watching in the '00s, '10s, or '20s (if anyone has in the '20s), she's (1) Carly's mother, (2) Luke's sister.
It's awful, but I think the loss of Epiphany will hit harder for those 21st-century-only GH viewers. They only saw Bobbie once in a while, and they have a vague sense she was involved in big stories before their time.
I do remember Bobbie having her own stories, and it was like a switch got flipped after Wendy Riche left, late 2000/early 2001. The last story she was really at the center of was the triangle with Roy DiLucca and Melissa Bedford, and even that was largely about attempting to establish Jensen Buchanan (a Friend of Jill) as a GH leading lady.
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It took numerous tries to find someone acceptable to play Molly, and the temporary Nikolas left much to be desired, but they're killing it with the temporary recasts lately. I like Temp Joss, Temp Sam, and Temp Maxie all more than the usual actresses who play those characters. I feel a little bad saying that re: Eden, knowing she's on bereavement leave. I have no idea why the other two needed time off.
That was some classic Maurice Benard "stutter-barking" today, when Sonny was grilling Michael. It was so retro-GH that I was half-expecting him to fire a gun at a hallucination of Tamara Braun in a wedding dress.
12 hours ago, statsgirl said:Drew seems to be auditioning for the "hair-trigger, never-to-be-oppossed" Sonny role. I'm waiting for him to start throwing barware.
Insisting on Scout going to the school and being oblivious to her not wanting to do it, blowing up this offscreen Australian deal with an anger outburst, plus the failure of Carly/Drew to catch on with fans and what remains of soap press in the 2020s, despite a strong and prolonged push...if I didn't know better, I'd think this was the beginning of a CamMat exit storyline.
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Yes. And Liz never even faced charges of identity fraud.
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I can't read the phrase "town pariah" (with regard to GH) without remembering that hilarious phase when Shelly and Jean were writing and Liz kept referring herself as that. I think it was because she had kept the sekrit about
Jake Doe'sJason'sDrew's identity...which ultimately turned out not really to be his identity? Or maybe she was referencing something further back, like cheating on Lucky with Nikolas? I just remember her having lines like "Take it from someone who has a lot of experience at being the town pariah..." and she really never had been. A few people yelled at her, just as many or more still supported her, and it all blew over.If that writing team were still around, she'd probably have been calling herself "the town pariah" again when Liesl got mad at her.
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18 hours ago, ffwbe said:
Violet is following in the footsteps of NB’s Spencer who I found incredibly annoying. The other glaring example I recall is the red headed Michael who was not only on contract but had something like 120 episodes a year during his high point. The show thought it was cute to write a preteen as a complete misogynist who was ordering his mother around and trying to pay off his daddy’s gf.
I also remember the time he burst out from behind the couch and started pummeling his recently hospitalized grandfather (the Corbin Bernsen character who was around briefly), because Grandpa said something negative to Carly about Sonny. And he tried to order a hit on someone! The Chad Duell adult Michael years have had plenty of low points, but the Dylan Cash years were just beyond.
Robin and Patrick's daughter was obnoxious too, in her "I want SABREEEEENA!" phase.
I've said it before, but the best child character they've had in the 21st century—combination of the actor being very likable and the writing not ruining it—was Aaron Refvem's Morgan. He had such a sweet relationship with Dante, when Dante was a new character pretending to be "Dominic" to infiltrate the mob. I see that Refvem didn't stick with acting but went into sales.
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I liked Temp Joss too. If I didn't watch this show and just randomly tuned in, I wouldn't guess it was her first day as a fill-in. She seemed comfortable. And I like her vocal tone more than that of permanent Joss.
I actually watched all the scenes with the young-adult foursome. They were the highlight. I was "helping along" everything else: listening to a sentence or two to get the gist of a segment and then skimming through the rest. It's not as though any GH story right now is captivating, but some are farther from it than others, and today there were several of them: Carly at Kelly's flirting with the new bad guy, Alexis and Gregory in the Invader office, Brook and Chase, Molly's fertlity woes...
If next week Violet were suddenly played by a 15-year-old arguing with Finn about wanting to wear makeup or whatever, I'd be happy about it. I hate that it's come to that, but the child actress is written and directed to be so pushy and overindulged, and they feature her so heavily. Not the first time in Frank's history with preteen performers on daytime, certainly.
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7 hours ago, ffwbe said:
It irks me that they continued having Carly essentially be Avery’s 3rd parent and let her use that as an excuse to be in Ava’s business at all times. While it may happen IRL, on soaps, ex step parents usually move out of each others lives after the divorce since they get married so often unless that person adopted the kid, which we know Carly didn’t. It especially annoys me because I think they only do because Carly has so little going on herself that they need to give her an excuse to insert her into other people’s stories. Turning her into the new Ruby hasn’t exactly been all that interesting.
Carly barging into other people's stories is the best visible evidence that, post strike settlement, we're up to the old writing crew's stuff again. One might even say these appearances are "Korte-ordered."
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41 minutes ago, jsbt said:
Were they actually legit in a relationship at any point? I just remember occasionally tuning in, seeing them sharing scenes that were flirtatious or chemistry-testing, gagging and turning it off.
Yeah, we were actually supposed to think of them as a real couple. Maxie facilitated Austin's introduction (he found her in the woods, ready to deliver), and their first date was a few months later for Carly and Jason's wedding. For the next 15 months or so, they usually shared their non-work scenes. When they weren't together in public, there was typically a reference to explain it (the one who wasn't present was working, etc.). She introduced him to her kids and so on.
But they were sexless, even for a GH couple of recent years, so it did have that feel of a relationship that was always just getting off the ground. If they progressed beyond kissing over those 15 months, it was kept offscreen. And I never saw anyone complaining.
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I like Roger Howarth, but the Austin character was a classic example of bringing a big daytime star on (or "back") without a clear plan, and hoping the actor's personality and fan base would paper over the cracks until they thought of what they wanted to do with him. Which they never really did.
He was introduced as connected to the Quartermaines, and they half-assed that. He spent about a year and half in a pairing with Maxie that no one seemed into, least of all the two actors. When someone behind the scenes finally called the time of death on that coupling, the characters never even mentioned each other again. (Contrast with, say, Valentin and Nina. There, one of the members of the couple had a strong and solid reason to take a "dead to me" attitude about the other following the breakup, but they stayed connected, because Valentin and Nina—either Nina, much as I disliked The Staff's portrayal—weren't completely inert.) As @jsbtnotes, things never improved. Austin was just flailing with no direction.
Best of luck to RH in his next gig. I feel he's given his three GH characters his best try, but each has been less successful than the last.
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4 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:
Maybe they should shove Esme off the parapet so that she can get her memory back since a dive in the lake seems to have restored Ned's memory.
I am mildly interested in how long they're going to maintain this. It seems the GH rule is that amnesia/personality changes are reversible if the previous version of the character is something the writers want to go back to. If not, then no. No amount of new accidents and traumas ever turned Jason Morgan back into Jason Quartermaine, because the mob assassin version of Jason was popular with the audience. I think the softer Esme has also caught on (surely not with everyone, but with a lot of people), so it's possible she'll remain this way.
I do think Avery Kristen Pohl is doing a great job with more sympathetic writing. I'll give the writers this one thing: they've done a better job with her than they did with Chloe Lanier's Nelle, a similar character.
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13 hours ago, dubbel zout said:
Riiiight, someone from ESPN will want to work at two-bit Aurora Media—as a step up. Keep talking, Michael. And
When he said, "There must be someone at ESPN just itching for a chance to shine," I thought to myself, well, that is how Frank filled the role of Brick.
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1 hour ago, Sake614 said:
I like Valentin and Nina, but I've also really grown to like her with Sonny.
I was in and out of Guiding Light in the Annie Dutton years, but I've never seen Cynthia Watros not have chemistry with a love interest on any show. It's one of her strengths. She even sold the pairing of Libby and Hurley on Lost, despite what most sighted people would have judged as a big gap of conventional attractiveness.
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On 11/7/2023 at 10:40 AM, racked said:
Ah Stephan Colton Martines Scott popped up again? Thought there was a warrant out for his arrest and he was in hiding.
Last I read, he was attempting to reinvent himself as a country singer. Articles about this mentioned the many then-recent allegations as well as some dubious claims made in the press release, for example, that Martines had been drafted out of college to play major-league soccer for the Kansas City Wizards—a team spokesperson denied they'd ever had any connection to him. But I don't know about any legal repercussions, restitution, et cetera, for the alleged cons.
QuoteThe only good thing about his portrayal of Nikolas was his wildly inappropriate chemistry with Jacob Young’s Lucky.
Yes, that was amusing. They had more chemistry with each other than with any of their love interests. I used to watch their intensely intimate scenes and think, "I can't wait to read the SoapZone thread about this."
23 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:I also remember his other roles-the ones I saw;
He played a father, who was a marine on JAG; then he was an evuhl warlock or somesuch on Charmed.
He also appeared in Steven Spielberg's mini-series, Into the West.
I saw the 1999 independent film Tyler Christopher was in right after leaving GH the first time, Catfish in Black Bean Sauce. He got a kind word from the late Roger Ebert in his review. Well, by implication, at least ("[a] well-acted conversation").
I remember that around that time, during the annual Quartermaine Thanksgiving debacle, Monica was talking about the unappealing toppings on the pizzas, and she yelled something like "Who would want black bean?" I wondered at the time if that was some writer shade. Maybe not.
12 hours ago, Mirabelle said:I remember when people were calling him Coltin Scott Fish Taco Stephan Martines for some reason. I was never sure why but it made me laugh every time.
"Mellencamp" was in the litany sometimes too.
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Episode Discussion II: The TFGH
in General Hospital
I'd be with you on this, but we've all been on this ride so many times. For anyone who is introduced or reintroduced hating Sonny, there are three possible outcomes: (1) They'll get villain writing and will have a short shelf life. (2) They'll be ineffectual in opposing Sonny. (3) He'll save their lives or help them in some other way, and they'll come to grudgingly accept that he's "the good mobster" because he operates by a "code" and all that crap.
Even Taggert was drinking the Kool-Aid 15 minutes after his 2020 return, which is something I hoped never to see. I know that soap enemies joining forces against a more immediate threat is a reliable trope, but still: blech.
At least Jagger seems unlikely to fall in love with or have sex with Sonny, like Hannah, Claire, Ava, et cetera.