Pentatonix: Season 3 Champs

[debbydeb]

 

 

Does anyone know how songwriting credits are ordered?  Sometimes, the kids are listed first, and sometimes they're listed later.  Is there any rhyme or reason?

 

I'm not sure about PTX, but apparently it's a can of worms. 

Some use default alphabetical, some according who writes what the most, some according to seniority, some according to ego (hehe), some puts the people who scores the music first and write the words second... hmm..http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/songwriting-credits-words-or-music-first.374251/

 

 

i'm still not sure. what do you think by seeing PTX's liner notes?

[SrPab]

After studying the liner notes again:

• Overall, the writer credits for the originals are roughly ordered by greatest contributor/equal contributor (down to bit player) to lyrics and/or melody OR the person from whom the song sprang to life. More-or-less "equal" contribution leads to an alphabetical listing. How to determine amount of contribution? If it wasn't the brainchild of one person, maybe it was tracked by time spent on song.
• Of the 13 originals in the Deluxe version, Scott has a writer credit on 10 of them
• Na Na Na lists Avi first, Kevin second, and Audra Mae third
• CSL lists the kids, in alpha-order, first; then Elof Loelv next, followed by Figuereido, Peña, and Wells
• Sing shows Hollander first, Johnson second, followed by Grassi, Hoying, and KO
• Misbehavin' shows Grassi, Hoying, Rad, and Cunningham
• Ref is Hoying, KO, and Taylor Parks
• First Things First is Hoying, KO, and Fisher
• Rose Gold is Hoying, Kaplan, Pearson, and Wrabel
• Cracked is Hoying, Kaplan, Riley, and Baran
• Water is Maldonado, KO, and Audra Mae. From interviews and other sources, this song is Kirstie's brainchild. She'd had some/much of it done but only recently felt confident enough to bring it to the group for consideration. I don't know all the details...it seems like there were more people who initially worked on the song but there were some personality conflicts so over time KO and Audra Mae were brought in to help polish it.
• Take Me Home is Maldonado, KO, and Audra Mae
• New Year's Day (see Sing)
• Light In The Hallway is Grassi, Hoying, and Audra Mae
• To The River is Hoying, KO, and Fisher
• OMWH (2015 version) doesn't appear to credit any of the kids

Edited November 6, 2015 by SrPab

[Kromm]

Kromm, I second this - very informative, and I learned that I've both liked and (intensely) disliked acts in every time period and subgenre.

Country music has the biggest co-existence of utter and total shit, and really accomplished and admirable stuff of any genre, I think, including Pop music (which also has those extremes too). I also laugh at any suggestion that there was any kind of superior "golden period" of country, when it was all good. Every era, as you say, has had utter garbage and wonderful stuff right next to each other.

My rule? I can't tell you when and where bad country comes from... but I always know it when I hear it. And oddly enough, so many other people seem to disagree with me and like the shit, so that gives me hope actually that I'm not being a conformist or anything like that!

[Kromm]

Re: 

Second straight day of restraining myself from scrolling down to the comments. Any comments. The 'pearlclutching' spilled over to some other non-CMA videos on youtube. (YES you pearl clutchers, we know! two are gay, one is a jew, another one's african american, and the girl is living in sin. shut up already) Ugh. Whyyy...

I forgot which video it is (too not bothered to look it up again), but they brought up Tattoos!! It's sinful! The mind boggles.

Sorry I'm venting this here. I'm too wimp to vent on Youtube comments. But my blood boils. :D

Well country now has an African-American star (who had to joke about that while emulating a black Star Wars character). And I mentioned Kinky Friedman, famous Jew country star before. I know he only gets away with existing in their company because he's one of those Austin area folks who are the Country version of Counterculture.

"Gay" is a tougher one. Little Big Town, some of the people who DARED to clap uproariously for Pentatonix, had a song recently that alluded to being gay. They took a TON of shit for it, then again they also won awards (just this year in this show in fact).

[Sharpie66]

In fact, I remember (screen name is real) country used to be called Country Western.

 

Elwood Blues: What kind of music do you usually have here?

Owner of roadhouse: Oh, we got both kinds. We got country and western!

 

Had to throw that one in there!

 

Anyway, back to PTX, I'm hoping that their Extended TCTM album (the EP version as well as the deluxe album) does well this season. It'll be interesting to see if both versions end up showing up on the regular BIllboard 200 charts separately!

[Kromm]

Re blood boiling - If singing Christmas songs were limited to "bona fide" Christians, there be a lot fewer songs.

Many of the most famous ones were written by Jews. Five of the most famous ones, all by DIFFERENT Jews.

And seriously... even the most dense person should probably have heard of Irving Berlin.

I'm betting the wack-jobs attacking PTX for daring to do Christmas music haven't though.

Edited November 6, 2015 by Kromm

[SrPab]

I don't know the musical term (pre-chorus; chorus?) for this section of Ref lyrics:

 

[scott]

Don't you 'member back in the day

When all you had to do was

Say...yes

But you walked away

You made your bed; you know the rest

Now you want me to say...yes

Did you right but you went and left

You think this is a game

You ain't gon' win 'cause I'm the ref

 

[Kirstin; 2nd verse?]

Did it all

All because of your ego

You thought that you was irreplaceable, yeah

There's a couple-a things you can't erase

You'll learn your place from your mistakes

Edited November 6, 2015 by SrPab

[ToxicUnicorn]

Seeing the list of writers' credits is like candy, SrPab.  I'll study that later.

 

Water is Maldonado, KO, and Audra Mae. From interviews and other sources, this song is Kirstie's brainchild.

 

Fascinating.  Kirstie should be very proud.  By my lights, Water (followed by Misbehavin') has the best lyrics of all of them.  (Although I have not heard To the River yet.)

Edited November 6, 2015 by ToxicUnicorn

[debbydeb]

So, they're going to tour Cracker Barrels!

I had thought that their appearance i Nashville was just because they happened to be there for the CMA event and made a one-off appearance there. But apparently they're going to tour cracker barrels across the country?

Maybe to coincide with their Christmas Radio tours?

Good strategy for the christmas. People who hadn't bought their cds last year can buy it this year :) or buy again.

Superstar a cappella group Pentatonix surprised dozens of fans with a pop-up performance at Cracker Barrel’s Mt. Juliet location Thursday to kickoff a tour of pop-up’s at several Cracker Barrel locations across the country.

http://www.lebanondemocrat.com/article/wilson-county/740431

[SrPab]

I don't think they'll pick up boatloads of new fans with this CB pop-up tour, but opportunities to hear them live (and off-mic) should be fantastic experiences for a lot of people. Plus, making that up-close and personal connection with an artist goes a long way to making a life-long fan.

[SrPab]

Is Darius Rucker the Charley Pride of this generation? There are a few more black Country artists out there, right? Of course, I can't come up with a black female Country artist/group. I just don't keep up enough with the state of Country music to know.

 

ToxicUnicorn, by now there should be a few lyric vids on YT for To The River. I haven't played one myself, so I can't speak to the accuracy or completeness of the lyrics in these vids.

Edited November 6, 2015 by SrPab

[Rick Kitchen]

Ugh, Cracker Barrel's anti-gay and anti-black history makes me shiver to think of them performing there.

[debbydeb]

Is Darius Rucker the Charley Pride of this generation? There are a few more black Country artists out there, right? Of course, I can't come up with a black female Country artist/group. I just don't keep up enough with the state of Country music to know.

Is Americana considered country music?

Then probably the all african-american band Carolina Chocolate Drops?

one of their sets, very enjoyable and technically great:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3IF8Y9_lfWY

I actually found the band when I heard their lead, Rhiannon Giddens, sing with an Irish folk group. Then I learned that she's actually part of the Americana singing group CCD.

They (as a group) and she (solo or featured artist with another group) also appear in some jazz festival, which made me really doubt my music knowledge and that's why until today I still don't know all these genre things. The more you look at it the more nuanced they get, and I guess rightfully so. It's music!

She has some pipes!! And she's classically trained... in opera... like AVI!

*yay I'm not entirely off topic!*

Edited November 6, 2015 by debbydeb

[Kromm]

Ugh, Cracker Barrel's anti-gay and anti-black history makes me shiver to think of them performing there.

To be fair, if you hold them eternally responsible for a problem they had 20 years ago, then you're basically saying there was no sense in them fixing the problem.

[Rick Kitchen]

Cracker Barrel didn't change their anti-gay policy until 2002, and rated the lowest for workplaces from a gay organization in 2008. It raised up in 2011 and dropped down again in 2013.

 

In 2004, the US Justice Department accused them of racial bias, and there have been several lawsuits for racial bias from both customers and employees.

[ptxnewsandstuff]

Obsessed with clueless interviewers, always a good laugh. Didn't record any carpet stuff this time so we found what we could from fellow fans.

Want to stop the drama but a band member from HF just had to make their fanbase look bad. Where's the love? A Pentaholic who happens to be a HF fan as well got blocked by simply replying to a tweet (which is now deleted). She thought he was praising PTX and said "They were great weren't they?" Next thing you know, blocked and deleted. Childish.

[Kromm]

Cracker Barrel didn't change their anti-gay policy until 2002, and rated the lowest for workplaces from a gay organization in 2008. It raised up in 2011 and dropped down again in 2013.

 

In 2004, the US Justice Department accused them of racial bias, and there have been several lawsuits for racial bias from both customers and employees.

Have PTX been asked about this on Twitter then? Perhaps they've said something already.

[ToxicUnicorn]

Kirstie's hand on hip pose, surrounded by handsome men dressed in black - what a position to be in!  She looked great.

 

I love how they're always ready to burst into song.  Thanks for that video, ptxnewsandstuff.

 

I understand that some of the fans of country music might not have had good reactions, but I've got to think that most of the actual musicians in the crowd must have known and respected PTX from the Grammy win.

[debbydeb]

Cracker Barrel didn't change their anti-gay policy until 2002, and rated the lowest for workplaces from a gay organization in 2008. It raised up in 2011 and dropped down again in 2013.

In 2004, the US Justice Department accused them of racial bias, and there have been several lawsuits for racial bias from both customers and employees.

I wonder if they're using PTX as an image cleanup. "Loook! We're not antigay and racist anymore!"

I also wonder if PTX and their team knows about Cracker Barrel's history. This is something that can be dredged up in the future to make them look bad (especially if they get more and more famous and receiving celeb/gossip treatment)

[Geeze]

I doubt that there is any fairly successful large corporation that doesn't have a seamy underbelly of unsavory corporate practices,  Past history doesn't seem to bother the millions of people who eat at Cracker Barrel, Denny's and all the others like them.  I don't think that association will be anything that will be any more detrimental to PTX later than any of the other acts who sell records there.  ymmv  

Edited November 7, 2015 by Geeze

[debbydeb]

they're now doing the CMA country christmas music show. Interesting... is this indicative of their desire to get more fans from the country music segment or part of their Cracker Barrel agreement?

Because the article is a lot of promo on Cracker Barrel:

http://m.digitaljournal.com/a-and-e/music/pentatonix-talks-cracker-barrel-project-no-1-album-on-billboard/article/448635

[ptxnewsandstuff]

GUACOMOLE

[Found A Peanut]

Is Americana considered country music?

Then probably the all african-american band Carolina Chocolate Drops?

one of their sets, very enjoyable and technically great:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3IF8Y9_lfWY

I actually found the band when I heard their lead, Rhiannon Giddens, sing with an Irish folk group. Then I learned that she's actually part of the Americana singing group CCD.

They (as a group) and she (solo or featured artist with another group) also appear in some jazz festival, which made me really doubt my music knowledge and that's why until today I still don't know all these genre things. The more you look at it the more nuanced they get, and I guess rightfully so. It's music!

She has some pipes!! And she's classically trained... in opera... like AVI!

*yay I'm not entirely off topic!*

Carolina Chocolate Drops are amaaaazing. I would consider them bluegrass/folk but there is overlap with country. Musicians move around in the genres and some groups defy strict categorization. But just struggling to name black artists sort of underlines how white these areas of music are, though, doesn't it?

 

 

Cracker Barrel didn't change their anti-gay policy until 2002, and rated the lowest for workplaces from a gay organization in 2008. It raised up in 2011 and dropped down again in 2013.

 

In 2004, the US Justice Department accused them of racial bias, and there have been several lawsuits for racial bias from both customers and employees.

Think how young the people in Pentatonix are, though - ten or twelve years ago is half a lifetime for them. And I'm saying this as someone who personally boycotts Cracker Barrel, though I'm sure it sounds like Pentaholic excuse making. I actually think it's a positive that Cracker Barrel is doing this promotion. If the corporation feels like a more diverse image is in their economic interests, that's progress. I think institutional change has to come first and takes time, and hearts are even slower to change if they do change at all. I guess we'll just have to see if the push to appear diversity friendly reflects or is just a cover-up of what's going on at a management level.

[formerlyfreedom]

Please stay on topic. Cracker Barrel and their corporate policies is not the topic in here; Pentatonix's partnership with Cracker Barrel is on topic. Thanks.

[ptxnewsandstuff]

Add this to the list. They taped CMA Country Christmas which airs on ABC 12/3 at 9/8c. Here are some pics (1, 2). Looks like they'll be opening the show as well as singing TCTM and Santa Is Coming To Town. More excited about their Charlie Brown Special appearance

 

TMZ saying hello at the airport.

 

Backstage press at CMA country Xmas.

[SrPab]

Absent any compelling evidence, I now think that PTX was always going to be on the 2015 CMA broadcast on 4 Nov. It's possible that their immediate post-CMA activities could have come together quickly, but I think these were planned well in advance.

 

I'm still unsure if HF was ever considered by CMA powers-that-be--assuming they know who HF is. Even then, it doesn't take much due diligence to discover that HF was out of the county on 4 Nov.

 

And with Elvira perhaps being ORB's most iconic song, it seems reasonable to me that it would be a great choice for a musical tribute--no matter who performed it.

 

I wonder what fantastical silliness will ensue from PTX's Japan promo swing.

Edited November 9, 2015 by SrPab

[Kromm]

Absent any compelling evidence, I now think that PTX was always going to be on the 2015 CMA broadcast on 4 Nov. It's possible that their immediate post-CMA activities could have come together quickly, but I think these were planned well in advance.

No, this was clearly all coordinated. Even the Cracker Barrel stuff, so either a single handler came up with all of this, or the Cracker Barrel stuff was booked quikcly on the heels of booking the two CMA projects (so... months and months ago) simply because geographically and marketingwise it all made sense together. None of this was ad hoc. A group at PTX's level loses most of their ability to do things ad hoc (canceling the Kelly Clarkson shows opened up some time, but even there that seemed to be the period where they just took an unplanned vacation instead).

[Sharpie66]

I can't link to it here, but if you go look at Scott's twitter feed, he retweeted a commercial someone recorded off the tv for some superstore, which ended with "Na Na Na" playing!

[Kromm]

I can't link to it here, but if you go look at Scott's twitter feed, he retweeted a commercial someone recorded off the tv for some superstore, which ended with "Na Na Na" playing!

No watch closer.

 

It's not for an actual superstore. It's for an upcoming NBC sitcom NAMED "Superstore".

 

That's a bigger deal. That's not only national, but it kind of shows that they've furthered that ongoing relationship they have with NBC (who they regularly do "Today" for, as well as the Rockefeller Tree lighting).

https://twitter.com/spiritWOLFgirl/status/663546303658373121

[ptxnewsandstuff]

Yes it is for the new comedy show on NBC, "Superstore". Saw it and there are longer promos for this show but they don't play 'Na Na Na'. Very brand new TV spot. Also been hearing about their songs playing during game day matches as well. Exciting to hear their stuff getting played commercially now. 

 

With the CMA thing, think they didn't even glance at HF. Unfortunate but that's the business, cashing in on your popularity.

Surprised they're still getting spun on radio. Still on the rise moving to 38 on Pop radio.

Nov 2-8

 

Pop: ^38 (40)
AC: ^19 (20)
HAC: ^29 (31)

Edited November 9, 2015 by ptxnewsandstuff

[ToxicUnicorn]

Very brand new TV spot. Also been hearing about their songs playing during game day matches as well. Exciting to hear their stuff getting played commercially now.

I'm surprised by how quickly their song is getting used commercially.  Back when I was growing up, a song basically was worn completely out by the time it was used in commercials (often years after it had been popular).  Is this a sign of a new revenue model?

 

I also had the impression that it wasn't necessarily a good sign that your song was used for a commercial -- at least, back in the day.  

 

Nonetheless, I am happy for PTX if it's all good.  I certainly can imagine Na Na Na as a good background song.

[Kromm]

I also had the impression that it wasn't necessarily a good sign that your song was used for a commercial -- at least, back in the day.  

Nah, that's been the reverse situation for years now. 

Credit Apple and The Gap with that.

Edited November 9, 2015 by Kromm

[SrPab]

Plus, I think that technological advances are such that it's easier for PTX (or a signed artist) to be sent a royalty payment for another entity using their song in a television or film context. I would think getting royalty payments should be easier for independent musicians, too, but they have more "paperwork" to do.

 

I've seen tweets from fans embedding clips of them hearing a PTX song playing in a retail setting, like a Target store. I wonder if that generates a royalty check.

 

I don't know enough about it to be certain, but do any of you know if PTXofficial on YT is monetized? I don't think it is. Also, I've just noticed that the homepage for their YT channel is better organized into sections for type of content. For example, there is a section for their Originals, a section for the three Evolution of-type vids, a section for the Christmas vids, a section for the Live vids, etc.

Edited November 10, 2015 by SrPab

[SrPab]

That's a bigger deal. That's not only national, but it kind of shows that they've furthered that ongoing relationship they have with NBC (who they regularly do "Today" for, as well as the Rockefeller Tree lighting).

https://twitter.com/spiritWOLFgirl/status/663546303658373121

This relationship makes sense since NBC still exerts some rights for The Sing-Off. It might not happen often but NBC gives PTX an avenue to appear on tv from time to time (PTX releases an album...fans can expect a Today show appearance in short order). The relationship between the network and the group seems to be mutually beneficial.

Edited November 10, 2015 by SrPab

[Kromm]

I don't know enough about it to be certain, but do any of you know if PTXofficial on YT is monetized? I don't think it is. Also, I've just noticed that the homepage for their YT channel is better organized into sections for type of content. For example, there is a section for their Originals, a section for the three Evolution of-type vids, a section for the Christmas vids, a section for the Live vids, etc.

Of course it's monetized. Assuming you mean in the same way ANY YouTube content provider gets a check for views produced (or maybe it's ads displayed? I dunno. I'm sure ptxnewsandstuff does though). Whether or not that money is shared with the record label is a different question. I'd think it would be if PTX kept their content on a label-owned channel.  PTXofficial though looks like it's owned by them (I won't say 100% sure on that though, only because they WERE technically under contract to a record company when they set it up and perhaps the label they had at the time has some ownership if the contracts they signed with The Sing Off had that clause in it (probably not--even a few years ago nobody would have thought of it).

[debbydeb]

I wonder about YT and vids too.

I hope that them staying at PTXOfficial and not merging it with a Vevo or label owned site means that they're retaining some independence from the label (I'm sure it could've been easy for the Google people to do some name change to the YT channel and such like, so the viewership is retained but the name change--kind of like when two companies merge/being taken over: the physical store remains just the name plaque changes).

And that they still rely on Patreon to make their videos (this is still the case, right? I'm not sure about the Patreon stuff). So even though there's the RCA tagline in the end of each video I think their claim to the video is just the song, and maybe they help link up PTX with a wider group of directors//songwriters/talent? and maybe distribution to overseas territories (I see Sony Music Taiwan making some cute edits to the vid to make the Mandarin subtitles the same colorful look as the CSL vid).

if they make evolution anything or any other songs not going to go on the album itself,all the income goes straight to them? or not?

But yeah, I'd be interesting to know about what PTX keeps vs has to give up in terms of YT and videos following their signing with RCA.

[ToxicUnicorn]

I'm not sure how to link back to another forum here; let's see if this works: http://www.youtube.c...uUQT_fPCw

 

I enjoyed the Tennessee Whiskey, but I couldn't help but think PTX could do a better version (musical, at least) of Drink You Away.  The CMAs sure look like a party, though.

[bjork]

Avi was interviewed by Mike Ragogna for Huffington Post. It's the second interview listed, so you'll need to scroll down. Very awkward transition from the Cracker Barrel questions to the rest of the interview.

[SrPab]

Avi was interviewed by Mike Ragogna for Huffington Post. It's the second interview listed, so you'll need to scroll down. Very awkward transition from the Cracker Barrel questions to the rest of the interview.

Nice find, bjork! The online article is based on transcribed interviews, so I think Avi's was done via phone call. Did the interviewer really ask the Cracker Barrel questions somewhat near the middle of their phone convo--or were the questions edited to appear in the middle of the online article?

 

I appreciated Avi's response to the question regarding recorded vs live, and how PTX wants to be able to recreate as much of the studio sound as they can in live settings (if only there could be consistency in mic balance and whoever handles the mixing board at these different live venues, however). And I also liked reading that PTX incorporates moments in their arrangements that are homages or shout-outs to their musical influences and a cappella forebears.

 

ETA: What I really appreciate is the interviewer doing some research before talking with Avi--and not asking questions PTX gets asked all too often!

Edited November 10, 2015 by SrPab

[SrPab]

Psst! PTX will perform the Star Wars score on the 22 Nov. 2015 American Music Awards telecast (on ABC beginning 8E/7C). I've read elsewhere that they'll be backed by an orchestra, so I'm not sure if it will be 5-part harmony for the group--or if Kevin and Avi will perform as a rhythm section and be drowned out by the orchestra.

 

Also, the official AMA twitter account broke the news and the tweet included a PTX-specific emoji. If you use Twitter and retweet the AMA tweet, they'll send you the PTX emoji. (Cue...some parts of the fandom started online petitions asking Apple to include this PTX emoji in the next iOS update.)

Edited November 10, 2015 by SrPab

[debbydeb]

Thanks for the news, how interesting.

I hope the Star Wars purists aren't going to go berserk. There are some very scary fans in that fandom. Although I know Pentaholics are staunch defenders of PTX... I hope there's no Fanwars Mach II in the making.

I remember a long time ago when I was young, I said something wrong (pronounced a name wrong, because I watched a Star Wars film on TV and the translation text underneath spelled the name wrong, me at the time thought it was the right spelling when it was soo far off). I was blogging in a community blog on Xanga back then. The hostility was out of this world, let me tell ya. My son said it's only gotten worse (also Marvel, DC etc). I guess when you invest your time, money and life into it...

The upside: I triple Google everything now. Before posting anywhere.

(also I remember the Roots fans slagging off PTX big time for "ruining" the Fallon open).

On a more PTX relevant note:

It seems that the CMA is still the only major TV gig for them (in the US) outside the Sing Off franchise that trusted them to do everything a cappella on national TV.

Wait maybe I'm not quite correct in remembering:

the Rockefeller christmas

the new years thing that got posted on youtube

the German show.. Wetten Das?

but most of them just don't seem to trust that PTX fully a cappella is good for the show? The kennedy thing, the Stars Spangled Gig, even Barneys toward the end they have the two opera singers plus some (very light handed thank goodness) playback.

Edited November 10, 2015 by debbydeb

[Sharpie66]

Love that Avi interview--thanks!

 

He actually answers a question I always wanted to ask him. I know he's said that his voice changed the summer before he started high school, but I never knew if he had been involved in choir in junior high. Sounds like he was in the band (go band!!) instead. I've seen a post from his high school music director that Avi was a gift to his program and that he basically structured a lot of his program around Avi for the four years he was in high school (talk about pressure!). I wonder if he just wandered into the choir room on the first day of freshman year and auditioned, or if Esther or a friend dragged him in there.

[SrPab]

They're on the Muppets episode tonight on ABC 8E/7C!

 

Have they made an (in-person) appearance on a CBS show yet?

Edited November 10, 2015 by SrPab

[Sharpie66]

I just have a weird feeling that all of this promo blitz and awards appearances across the spectrum of genres is all a push to get them a Best New Artist Grammy nomination, even though the new album can't get any noms until next year.

[Kromm]

I just have a weird feeling that all of this promo blitz and awards appearances across the spectrum of genres is all a push to get them a Best New Artist Grammy nomination, even though the new album can't get any noms until next year.

While they're going to get higher profile in the next year, I honestly don't think they have even a remote chance at Best New Artist.  Winning I mean. 

 

I always wonder if people WANT to be nominated for that if they don't have a realistic chance of winning it.

The Muppets is a great gig. The show is getting good ratings.  EDIT - Wrong. My info was out of date. It WAS getting good ratings and then nosedived. Chances now are the show won't last out the season. Oh well.

Edited November 10, 2015 by Kromm

[Rick Kitchen]

I just have a weird feeling that all of this promo blitz and awards appearances across the spectrum of genres is all a push to get them a Best New Artist Grammy nomination, even though the new album can't get any noms until next year.

 

Can they be eligible for Best New Artist the year after they already won a Grammy?

[SrPab]

If this Wikipedia entry can be trusted, then...I'm not sure? PTX has a Grammy, but they haven't released an "entire album" (which I take to mean an LP, as opposed to the EPs they've put out). Or maybe they aren't eligible because of the previous Grammy and the release of TCTM (which counts as an LP)?

 

The official guidelines are as follows: "For a new artist who releases, during the Eligibility Year, the first recording which establishes the public identity of that artist." Note that this is not necessarily the first album released by an artist.

In 2010, Lady Gaga's exclusion from the Best New Artist category has caused the Recording Academy to change eligibility requirements for the next ceremony. She was ineligible for the nomination because her hit "Just Dance" had been nominated in 2009. The new rule states that an artist can be nominated as long as the artist hasn't previously released an entire album and hasn't won a Grammy.

Edited November 10, 2015 by SrPab

[Sharpie66]

I think that TCTM would count as the album that "established the public identity" of PTX, since it sold so well and got them the most press of their careers up to that point, and that was definitely released within the Eligibility Year.

[ptxnewsandstuff]

PTX is NOT eligible for the Best New Artists category as they've released 4 albums beforehand (EP's count) and they've also already won a Grammy. TCTM is definitely eligible for Best Album but is an outside chance to be nominated as no other holiday albums have ever been nominated. Time to break the trend? They've been doing that lately.

Seriously fantastic gigs coming up for them. All the hype around Star Wars. The emoji Twitter gave them. Won't mind the orchestra as long as PTX gets to show off their talent. 30 seconds of a cappella be great.

[ptxnewsandstuff]

Don't have the numbers for this week but "Pentatonix" sold 19-22k last week and TCTM is tracking to move 14-16k this week. Nice.