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The future episode synopsis indicate Bonnie will be spending time with Nora.
Since Kat Graham indicated that Bonnie would be getting a present love interest and a future one, and since we know that Benzo is a thing 3 yrs from now, I'm speculating that Nora will be a current love interest.
This should shake up the boring lesbian heretic dynamic some, so I say bring it on.
I'm sure Kat said in an interview that she pitched a lesbian/bisexual SL for Bonnie this season to TBTB, you never know, maybe she got her way.I hope so, because this could add another layer to her character.
Here is the official synopsis for 7x09.
THE SALVATORES ARE COMING TO TOWN — With the holidays in full swing, a search for Julian leads Damon and Stefan to a small town outside of Mystic Falls. While managing a holiday toy drive at Whitmore College, Bonnie (Kat Graham) seeks help from Nora (guest star Scarlett Byrne) and the two strike up an unlikely friendship. Elsewhere, Caroline (Candice King) does her best to navigate her new life as a pregnant vampire, while Alaric (Matt Davis) grows concerned that the pregnancy is effecting her more than she’s letting on. Finally, after finding himself at odds with Damon, Stefan is forced to take matters into his own hands, setting off a tragic chain of events that leaves their lives changed forever. Geoffrey Wing Shotz directed the episode written by Brian Young (#709). Original airdate 12/10/2015.
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You might get your wish, but Valerie may not be the "witch" she will be interacting with.
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This was not a good episode, in fact I think it was the weakest so far this season, and that is such a shame, because the premise should have made it an instant hit, but unfortunately, the writing and execution just failed.
The Salvatore history is a goldmine, so why didn't this little history lesson work?
The turkey story was just lame, even though I got the sentiment, but it just didn't resonate, and actually came off a bit comedic. I mean who names a turkey Sammy?
This flashback felt more like the writers moving the players around to get Lily to the point where she would in fact bow to Stefans demands, set out at the beginning of the story. The emotional aspects of the flashbacks depicted an abused Damon, whose motivations for taking that abuse was to prevent his father abusing Stefan, but all those moments are never remarked upon or examined again, which I think is a missed opportunity in the context of a supposedly Defan season.
To clarify, the payoff wasn't a Defan one, it was a Lily is about to be redeemed one, and that is just meh! I don't care about her.
The whole thing was saved by Damons emotional rant at Stefan, which was the only believable reaction from any of them tbh, and Ian played that scene perfectly. Lily is such a cold fish, and it's unbearable to watch.
Again, the Caroline pregnancy thing was just weird. We had a whole episode of going around the houses only for the big reveal at the end to be exactly what we were told at the end of the last episode- Yep Caroline is preggers, shocker!!
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Let me guess, Julian is their biological father.
Exactly what I thought until Julian made the point of telling us that he is 475 yrs old or something in the last ep.
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I agree, especially since there is a precedence with Klaus and his hybrids in which all of them became sired was turned.
The heretics are also hybrids, so voila.
They are certainly acting like they are sired regardless, since they obviously are not happy with the rules and some of the things they are being asked to do, but inexplicably obey anyway.
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Kai not having his own magic wasn't what made his parents unwilling to let him & Jo merge. Being a siphoner only meant that if he merged with his twin, he would finally have permanent magic of his own. And according to Joshua, Kai being a siphoner meant he was guaranteed to win a merge, regardless of how powerful the other twin was.
It was him being violent sociopath that made them declare him unfit to rule and so they started procreating again.
I don't think the heretics are interesting, but the Gemini coven might have been. Too bad all the living ones are dead.
I was under the impression that being a siphoner was an abomination in the witches eyes and therefore not worthy. Kai was psychopathic, but is revenge on his family was born from a desire to see them suffer from shunning him, passing him over for leadership and general treating him as less than.
All the heretics were kicked out ouf their respective covens for this reason, and were living isolated lives until they met Lily, who took them in one by one.
I have to wonder if Valerie was responsible for the dream with Jacob. The other Heretics said she was the worst headcase of them all, and I could see this whole "sweet, loving and gentle" thing she's doing as being part of a long con. They manage to take out Julian and then WHAM, here comes Valerie. We know vampires have the ability to manipulate dreams, especially when the target is particularly vulnerable. And if she's trying to recruit people to her side, she could do a lot worse than Stefan.
I don't think Val is inherently bad, her experiences have made her a little crazy IMO. Wasn't she working in the TB ward when Lily found her?
I think Stefans dream was just that, a dream. He admits to Damon that the whole thing has affected him very deeply during their talk.
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My understanding from last season is that the head of the gemini coven is a position passed down through Jo's family but that there are other members of the coven who aren't directly related to them by blood.
Ok, that is a reasonable assumption, but what I feel is not a reasonable assumption, is that siphoners are a phenomena that only exists within the Gemini coven.
It would make sense if they were all from same bloodlines, since it could be a genetic mutation or something, but if we reasonably assuming they are not, then I'm as confused as I was before. My gut feeling is that they are not all part of the Gemini coven, the only connection they have is that they were imprisoned like Kai by the Gemini coven, because of what they are (heretics), and what they were doing. I might be wrong though.
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No, I think that's just wonky dialogue by the writers so that they can subtly remind the viewers about the Gemini coven and Kai without Valerie saying the dreaded, "As you know... Kai was a member of the Gemini coven, etc." Where they are basically having Valerie talk to the audience by telling Caroline and Alaric things they already know.
But later on, when they are seated to do the spell and she's explaining about how twins are the lifeblood of the coven and the transfer spell, she says, "if a pregnant mother is in danger, the transfer is our magical failsafe." In that situation, she is clearly identifying herself with the coven. Plus just the fact that she knows so much about the coven that she can recognize their magic, and she knows what they value, etc.
I don't know if the show remembers or cares to go there - but they made a point of Damon having a unique ability to sire vampires i.e. make vampires who are as slavishly devoted to him as Klaus Michaelson's hybrids were to him. He did it to Elena, and he did it to some other vampire from his past. Since they linked Stefan's Ripper-dom to Lily's, they can feasibly use that to explain Lily's hold on her family - that Damon got his "ability to sire" vampires from his mother. So in a similar way, all the heretics are 'sired' to Lily and that's why they are so devoted to her.
Of course the whole theory of vampire abilities and DNA breaks down on close inspection, but what really holds up to scrutiny on this show?
Maybe, but I have another issue. It has been indicated that the Gemini coven is familial one in which all members are connected by a bloodline, but considering the ethnicity of Beau and Oscar, and the age they are, it would seem unlikely that they share the same bloodlines but rather belonged to other covens once upon a time. Also, I remember the scene outside of Salvatore crypt in which each Heretic told Damon a little of their backstory of how they came to meet Lily/Malcolm. None of them seemed to know of the other before finding acceptance with her.
I'm sure we won't get a definitive answer from the show, and it may turn out to be unimportant anyway.
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As a parent, I can't reconcile the notion of never loving my children having once loved them implicitly, which is what we are asked to believe. Couple that with vase story and I have to conclude that she never really loved her sons as much as a mother should.
I know times have changed, and things were harsher back then, but still, she recognizes that Guiseppe treated her badly, and wasn't a nice man, but left her beloved boys at his mercy, and they ended up dead- vampires.
Since her return from 1903 she has shown no remorse or love for her children, and has in fact done the most hurtful thing possible, she replaced them, without guilt or shame, and then went on to punish Damon further by encouraging Kai to inflict the sleeping curse on an innocent as revenge for Damon refusing to bring her "murderous family" back from the prison world. Talk about disproportionate punishment! It's the vase story all over again x1000. The woman is delusional, and a hypocrite, and she has the gall to ask Stefan what she has done to incur their wrath. I hate her, and her statement in the last ep about not wanting to see her children dead, does not make me change my mind. She is a selfish bitch that wants her cake and eat it, and that is just not gonna happen.
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@Doram, I think you are right. On rewatch, the scene where Valerie was watching the wedding vid, she says, paraphrasing, "I recognise that spell, that Gemini Kai kid thought they were sending him back to a prison world"
I think that implies she isn't a Gemini but recognizes or understands the chant. What do you think?
Anyhow, this was my favorite episode this season. I loved the dinner party, and all the Salvatore scenes even though I think it was contrived that Stefan didn't spill the beans sooner to Damon. I thought Stefan had moved past judging Damon and thinking the worst of him all the damn time, and I'm glad that he was proved wrong once again, since Damon acted with tact and support once he knew the truth.
The Salvatores are so much more effective when they are united, so I hope they get to kick some ass together soon.
Oh, the one liners, sass and snark were in abundance, and I was entertained by all from Bonnie sassing Lilly and Enzo, to Damon and Stefan sassing each other and Julian.
Alaric broke my heart, faux Jo was endearing, and I was just blown away with the emotion of it all, I surprised myself since I didn't feel all that connected to Jolaric last season.
Bonnie and Enzo in their fledgling romance was cute and believable (you are not alone @ Cattitude), both actors sold the hell out of their small scenes, and both looked stunning. Enzo scrubs up well and can wear the hell out of a suit and Bonnie would look stunning it a potato sack anyway, but she brought it tonight.
Speaking of Bonnie, looks like her and Deputy Donovan have stumbled on a new mystery! I wonder what thats' all about? Is it a human blood farm? is Lily behind this?
My head is spinning with all the about turns Lily is making regarding her sons. It would appear she still feels something for them, but states she doesn't, yet is the orchestrator of Damons and Stefans recent misery and pain. I don't understand her or care anymore, just get her gone.
Like others have stated, what hold does she have over her faux family, it doesn't make any sense unless they are sired to her or something. They are individually, and collectively more powerful than her, but they all seem so scared of incurring her wrath for some unknown reason.
Julian has potential. He is clearly bad and an expert manipulator. I love a good villain. His tears were clearly fake.
I'm intrigued by his agenda. He had one back in 1863 since he was desperate to leave for England on that boat, enough to kick the baby out of Valerie to ensure his plan had no inconvenient disruptions, and it is obvious he has one now.
The least said about Caroline and her impromptu pregnancy, the better.
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They are all already dead (and vampires), so I'm assuming that's why?
Makes a much as sense as anything else on TVD, thanks.
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How can the heretics be from the Gemini coven? Kais death ensured the death of all the Gemini, and yet they are still around.
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Matt Davies really brought his A game tonight. Tragic.
The spoilers were in fact reliable, and now we have preggers vampire Barbie, and Ric is Carolines mystery fiance- I didn't guess that part.
Also Ric invited Damon in eventually, but their relationship still seems somewhat strained, which saddens me, as much as it intrigues me.
What is with the compelled zombified townsfolk??>
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If this show is renewed, it will be because of "The Three Amigos", Bonnie, Damon, and Alaric. So, IMO, at some point they are going to have to stop writing Elena's SL.
I watched TVD, S1 through S5, a week before S7 started. Netflix got S6 a little too late for me to watch the entire season, so I didn't watch it before the first episode of S7 aired.
Here's my point: Damon has been looking at Bonnie the way no male should be looking at a female unless he is interested in her. Whether it was a directing choice or Ian's choice, it was and has been clearly there. The sexual tension has been off the chain between these two characters.
It reminds me of the time of Sexis, if any of you remember, back in the day when GH allowed us to believe Sexis would happen. I believed in the "logical progression theory" back then.
Forgive me, I digress. Anyway, Delena fans hate Bonnie because they fear she might get with Damon. Stelena fans say Bonnie shouldn't get with Damon because she Elena's BFF and that that would be all kinds of wrong.
Let me tell you, what is all kinds of wrong: sleeping with your boyfriend's brother. That is the lowest thing a girl could do.
Bonnie is a beautiful and caring woman. Loyal to a fault. Yet, she can't even get her own "real" LI. Plec and Dries need to stop playing games.
Bonnie would not look twice at Enzo, and Enzo would not look twice at Bonnie. There is no rhyme or reason for the two of them to get together, "Today" or "3 Years from Now."
Damon mentioning Elena in every scene has gotten old. I hope she is not mentioned in every episode until the end of the season or till the end of the show. I for one am done with it.
Give Bonnie a chance with Damon, TVD. There is love there between the two. Damon did not start out obsessing over Bonnie, so it's possible for him to know what genuine love is until his obsession regains consciousness.
Rant and rumblings over for now.
The highlighted parts hold negative connotations for the DE ship and Elena, and slights against fans, and that is fine, you are entitled to that opinion, but then people will react and defend with their opinion, and they are just as valid. Calling out the writers as racists, or other fans as @slayer has done is just not acceptable IMO, so this will be my last post in relation to this topic. Like you, I have been around the fandom a long time, and I have no wish to see the discussion devolve into those type of fan wars of old, so I'm withdrawing.
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Anyway, moving on now. Tonights episode looks to have some great sassy Bonnie mojo. I hope she gets to sass Lily tons, and has a hand in whatever shennanigans goes down tonight. Everyone knows how these dinner parties go down right?
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Exactly @doram.
And whats this "why can't they throw us bone" business?? would that make any fan happy? It's not what I want for Bonnie for sure.
If romantic Bamon ever happens, it would have to be for keeps, and Elena would need to be dead and gone forever.Any other scenario would just be character assassination for both Damon and Bonnie.
I just feel like unless Bamon happens, those shippers will never be satisfied with Bonnies story, like that is the be all and end all. Bonnie is currently on screen much more than she ever was, she is paired with the most popular lead character (arguably depending on pov),, and is knee deep in the most entertaining plot of TVD this season and the race card still rears it's head at how badly she is treated. I think CA would have more to complain about than her, since Carolines' story and characterization is just so awful, and has been for quite a while.
@Bobbysgurl- I'm sorry you feel upset at some of the negativity about Bonnie, I get it, but your original post set the tone of negativity towards other characters. Its the nature of the beast, since others feel just as passionately about their ships or characters as you do, and naturally will defend POV.
Just because I prefer DE over Bamon, does not mean I don't like Bonnie, my comments are in defense of the attempt to undermine my fave, not because I don't like Bonnie.
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Why can't he just tell Caroline the truth? He never acted this way with Elena.
I hope this is sarcasm, lol.
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@missvanilla If you don't like Bamon and are not particularly sold on Bonnie or the pairing then I can't imagine you seeing any of the chemistry that Bamon fans IS or KG see. The writers and producers have been working incredibly hard to keep you in that mindset as well so it's not particularly surprising.
I never said I didn't like Bamon, just that I'm not sold on romantic Bamon, there is a huge difference. The perception of chemistry is subjective, so of course not everyone will see what I see, or what you see for that matter, and did you miss the part where I stated that Bonnie is my fave female on the show right now?
I perceive the writers working hard to promote Bamon as a deep friendship on the show, and that is backed up in their media interviews where they are consistently reiterating their intentions to keep them as friends.
And now we have Enzo in the mix, and they seem to building the foundations for their future relationship in the current timeline, which is saw is still a thing 3 yrs into the future.
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Damon definitely mourned Alaric all true, but he didn't do anything to try and bring him back from the dead, with Bonnie he is the soul reason (no pun intended) that she was revived. He also told Elena in the Prom episode that he would ALWAYS choose her and then proceeded to choose Bonnie twice after that statement.
Bonnie and Damon have a symbiotic and bizarre relationship unlike any other on the show and despite how little he appeared to care for her in season 1 he has never actively tried to kill her which says something considering it's Damon and he's killed Alaric, Jeremy, attempted to kill Caroline, Tyler and Vicki and flat out killed poor Lexi.
In fairness, until it was revealed that it was possible to bring someone back from the other side permanently, I'm not convinced by this argument, since the last time anyone mentioned it, it involved bringing back the entire supernatural dead, and none of them except mind whammied Bonnie was prepared to do that. Furthermore, if you factor in that Damon was "happy" for once in his life with Elena, he had grieved Ric, and moved on.
Damon is intuitive, he knows how much Bonnie means to Elena. He saw first hand how important Bonnie is in Elenas life, to the point she wouldn't entertain Bonnie sacrificing her life for her in S2, much to his frustration. In S4, his motivation for bringing Bonnie back from that Island was for Elena, because Bonnie was the best chance they had at saving Jeremy, and Jeremy was Elenas last link to her humanity since she turned, and Damon had vocalized that she wouldn't survive this (loss)- Bonnie had brought Jer back from the dead before remember.
Similar situation in S5 really, he knew how much the death of Bonnie would hurt Elena. How else woud you explain the complete lack of interaction between Damon and Bonnie after her return as the anchor? did they even have one single convo about it? Don't get me wrong, Damon had no specific desire to see Bonnie dead, but there was no love lost either, and it was no skin off his nose really, and he had everything to gain. At this point, I feel Damon had a respect for Bonnie after what she had sacrificed for Elena and Jeremy, but that was a secondary facet to his actions IMO.
I think Damon does respect the power of witches in general, and recognizes them as probably the most powerful of all the supernaturals in this universe considering he made a deal with one back in 1864. Witches have been his closest allies in his life, and his enemies, and he well aware of there mercurial ways, hence his nickname "judgey" for Bonnie. Damon has a strong connection with the Bennett line, and for the most part, he has been loyal to the promise he made to Emily Bennett at the start of the series.
I don't understand how he chose Bonnie above Elena ever? That circumstance hasn't arisen yet. As far as I can tell, he is still choosing Elena, the Elena he knows and loves, the Elena he knows would want Bonnie to live a long and happy life, before Elena gets to live hers. That is the story being told right now, it is exactly what is driving Damons inner conflict. He has been tempted to allow her die, to have Elena back, but would he be getting the Elena back he wants, if her friend died in her name at his hands, or by proxy? The answer to that is no, and Damon knows this. Also, to complicate matters further: A) Narratively speaking, since 1994, he has a special bond with Bonnie now (debateable), B- he owes her, since she sent him back from the prison world and saved him.
The facts are as follows;
Damon and Bonnie were forced to spend 4 months together alone in prison world 1994.
They annoyed the hell out of each other, and spent most of that time bickering like pre school children (canon).
They has a couple of bonding moments over the shared loss of their loved ones. (canon)
They talked mainly about Elena ( Well Damon talked, Bonnie listened)- not shown on the show. (canon- ish)
Damon returns home, and misses Bonnies' company and friendship after Elena refuses to see him or speak to him.
Damon realizes Bonnie is still alive.
Through a sense of decency and loyalty, he formulates a plan to save her (IMO, he would've done the same for Ric or Liz)
His mission fails and he is devastated, he couldn't save her. Elena still doesn't love/know him, but he didn't turn off his humanity- like he did with Enzo.
His sense of loyalty keeps him tenacious, and he and Elena conspire with Kai to get Bonnie back, and he leaves her a huge clue, even though the mission turns out to be a bust.
Damon gets distracted by Elena in between waiting for the next celestial event, and Bonnie saves herself using Damons clue- genius!!!!
Bonnie returns, and the next time we see them after Ian and Kat ( sorry Bamon koala hug), Damon is back to prioritizing his affections. He puts his mother first.
In mitigation, he had no idea how traumatized Bonnie was, and how rotten his mother is, but still.
Look, I will admit that I'm not sold on this whole Bonnie and Damon thing, and maybe that is because I love Damon and Elena, both together and seperately, but I do love Bonnie too, please know this.
Bonnie is my fave female character after Elena, and since Elena is gone, she is my number one.
As my number one right now, I want her to have the best, and Damon is not it for her while Elena is still in the picture.
What they have right now is a good dynamic, perhaps we should just enjoy that and see how it all plays out,
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I think (at least to me) it's fairly obvious that Damon had some kind of love or affection for Bonnie as evidenced by how poorly he reacts to her dying. He has now three times been active in bringing her back from the "other side" (if you count the fake death with Klaus). The first time was ENTIRELY his idea. He has from season 2 onward been somewhat protective of Bonnie like when he refused to leave the island without finding her. We can call it all "for Elena" but for a guy who thought nothing of snapping the neck of someone Elena loved, it smacks of something more.
Something about Bonnie is endeared to Damon in a way that Caroline or Enzo or Jeremy or Jenna or Elena's mother weren't. Damon doesn't do well with dead Bonnie, somehow the little witch has snuck into his heart. Like bobbysgurl said, whether it's platonic or romantic, who's to say but it's canon that he truly does care for and even loves Bonnie, Elena even said so herself.
I think you are right to a point. Damon does care about Bonnie, and I'm sure the affection he feels for her is true and genuine. I've always believed that about his character, and I have argued that point with many fans who believe Damon doesn't care about anyone outside of Elena, or that he pretends to care to win points with her.
Damon builds friendships aside from Elena, and cares deeply for his friends, and I would go as far as to say there is some degree of love, but those dynamics aren't unique or exclusive to Bonnie. He had those dynamics with Alaric and Liz, and to a lesser degree Carol Lockwood. He cared enough about Rose to try and find a cure for her wolf bite, and when that was unsuccessful, he euthanized her in the comfort of his arms, without fear and pain.
Damon responds well (not always perfectly), to those who treat him well, who believe in him and trust him, this treatment is not reserved for Bonnie only, which is why I see nothing in there interactions that we haven't seen before. Remember his grief when Ric died? when Liz died?
There are only two people in the world that Damon would love above his closest friends, and they are Elena and Stefan, and for either of them he would sacrifice all of his friends, i'm sure of that.
Since the what is being presented on screen is a deepening friendship, that is what I take from all the Bamon interactions, and I like them mostly.
However, all Damons' current actions are driven by his feelings for Elena, just as they always have since he fell in love with her back in S1.
In S2, The Last Dance, Damon found out by eavesdropping that there was a 50/50 chance Bonnie could die channeling enough witch power to kill Klaus. He asked her if there was a way of increasing her odds of survival, but he didn't ask her not to do it, and ultimately when he realized that Klaus was protected in Alarics body, he didn't want Bonnie to waste her powers and die in a futile mission- He wanted to save the "weapon" for another day, and he made that point very clear with his speech to Elena at the end of the episode.
Later in the season, he was the ONLY one campaigning for the Klaus' death by Bonnie Bennett, even though he knew by then that she would most likely die in the process. Remember the " I'll write her a great Eulogy" line? He would have gladly let Bonnie die to save Elena, so no, I disagree, Damon has always been all about Elena, and her survival, because that has been presented in the show, and is still being presented in the show right now.
Bonnie and Damon are only really one season in to their development has friends. Before that, they tolerated each others presence for the sake of a common goal, I don't see anything else other than that prior to S6 tbh, and believe me, as a Damon fan, I watch all of his scenes closely, and several times lol.
Having said all that, my post is really coming at this from a Damon character POV, there is nothing stopping Bonnie from falling for Damon IMO, her heart is free to be given, but Damons' isn't, Elena is still very much Damons heart. I don't want Bonnie to fall in love with Damon for this reason, because I want her to have the love she deserves, that is hers alone without the spectre of Elena hanging over it. After 7 seasons, it's about time our sexy witch got a great love.
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I think the soul in Jo is the X mark hunter.
Anyway, this episode was the best of the bunch so far as I'm concerned. We seem to be getting somewhere with all this build up, and S$$t is about to hit the fan, and I say bring it.
Give me cold, calculated, mean Damon any day of the week, over comedy clown Damon for sure. His snarky lines are all well and good, but we should never forget that he is dangerous and badass. He won't win this fight easily, of course, but he will eventually get the upper hand and win.
I think Valerie should stay, I like her. Aside from Oscar, she is the most interesting heretic (which means they will kill her), and she would be an amazing asset to team Salvatore, plus I hate Steroline. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
The FF, was another tantalizing piece of mystery that has me hooked this season. Benzo!!!! Really? Ok, I'll run with that show, but please show the build up, because I liked what I saw between them in present day so far.
"You watch too much scooby doo" was hilarious.
I've always liked Enzo, so I was disappointed with how he was portrayed last season, so I am rooting for him to get some meaty stuff this season.
Poor Alaric- Creepy not Jo is not going to be good for him, but at least I am interested in his SL this year, so yeah, all good, I think.
Lots of story to be told yet, and I finally felt this season has got going finally, after a really shaky start. Lets see if they can deliver the goods going forward.
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I didn't hate this episode, well not all of it anyway.
I can't for life of me understand why the lions share of the screen time is being devoted to the stories that are just not very interesting.
The Steroline crap is just that.............crap!
The lesbian heretic couple are just so boring, and childish. ugh!
I don't want to see Jo resurrected, but the scenes with Alaric, Bonnie and Damon are by far the most interesting, but are given comparably much less focus than they deserve.
I didn't like the flash forward this week. Is this show going to ruin every dynamic that resembles the original TVD?
Damon letting Elenas' coffin go was beautiful, and really sad, but necessary for now. Ian always sells Damons pain and misery with gut wrenching authenticity, and this was no exception, but his character needs to move on, at least for a while.
The tour bus massacre was classic TVD, but again, moments like this are too few and far between.
Lily can just leave now, I hate her Stefan like preachy, hypocritical attitude.
Hmm Lily, Damon is chasing the coffin that you stole from him, the coffin that was safe in the crypt while he was in Europe without it. He's hardly trying to keep it close at all times, is he now?
I hate those kind of judgey speeches that just make no sense in the context of what has been shown on screen. It's just stupid writing.
It was the same with Stefans speech to Damon earlier in the episode, about Damon making bad decisions because of Elena. It makes no sense, considering it was the Heretics running around campus killing humans to GET OSCAR BACK.
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Ewwwww, good to know CD is still disgusting. Odd that she was the one who wrote the premiere in which she made Damon say (when Bonnie asked if he knew how long three seconds are when you're in a near-death situation): "And by the third [second], I remembered you're my best friend and that if anything ever happened to you, I would lose my mind."
No, I think Damon would kill anyone, including Stefan and himself, if it were the difference between Elena being Really Dead or not. So we agree. My point was that Damon would save Bonnie in ALL cases except that one. So saving her is the neutral position, given that Elena's death was not at issue.
Sorry--I lost track of where this discussion began. I'm not arguing this point in response to the concept of a romantic B/D relationship at all, though I was in favor of it last season prior to the finale. For me, I only began to like Damon again (after two seasons of hate) because of his friendship with Bonnie, and that friendship was without question my favorite thing about S6, and Bonnie my favorite character that season. I saw that as a real, deep friendship, one that signalled to me an actual change in Damon--one that, importantly, had nothing to do with Elena--so I'm just reacting to seeing that relationship and Bonnie herself described in terms that render them both subordinate to Elena. Damon has (platonic) feelings for Bonnie that have nothing to do with Elena, and those feelings are at least as important in terms of why he wants Bonnie to stay alive as his giving a "gift to Elena." (Seriously, vomit, CD.)
Well there lies the conflict. And yes CD can be be gross and literal and EWWW, and this is not the first time............ I'm looking at 3x14 but I digress, it is what it is I guess.
Damon definitely does have feelings and a respect for Bonnie, that has developed independently of Elena, loosely speaking, and vice versa, and this is one of the reasons I now enjoy her character more than the previous seasons in which I found her nothing short of annoying TBH.
I have no problem with Bamon being a badass friendship, both are loyal to the ends of the earth to those they trust, love and believe in, and I hope we get to see more development there, truly, as long as neither Dalaric or Delena are casualties of that bond. I want to see them all become a dysfunctional but effective family, without a romance tainting it, is all.
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@ Carrie Anne.
I take on board what you are saying, and I think we agree in part, but where we disagree is on Damon and his motivations. Caroline Dries confirmed that Damon saving Bonnie was a "Gift" to Elena.
Yes, Damon would save Bonnie anytime, except if it meant Elena dies, because she is his friend. I would even go as far as to say Damon might even save Bonnie at the expense of his own life, because Damon will risk his life for those he loves, but he puts no ones life before Elena. Elena isn't dead, that is the whole point.
Do you think Damon would still save Bonnie if it meant Elena was gone (dead) forever, instead of just sleeping?
I agree that Elena is most important to Damon, and I certainly agree that Elena has lost something because of Kai. I just consider it a loss, not a sacrifice FOR Bonnie, when, 1) it wasn't an active undertaking (again, see Elena proactively giving herself over to Klaus in S2; forcing Stefan to take Matt from the car in S3) and 2) the alternative is the loss of someone else's actual whole life.
Loss/sacrifice, It doesn't matter, because Elena is in this position because of the Bonnie/Kai feud. No Elena didn't choose this, it was forced on her, it doesn't lessen the sentiment, it doesn't make Elenas' loss less important, because that would be reductive IMO. The whole point being, a Bamon romantic relationship would be gross under those circumstances, especially since DE are still together.
S07.E08: Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me
in The Vampire Diaries [V]
Didn't Damon do exactly that in the last ep as soon as found out Julian and Lily were linked? I distinctly remember Damon driving that sword (that he thought would kill), through Julians heart.
Actually, the only consistent thread throughout this episode was exactly Damon stating the obvious. During the "planning stage" he stated at least twice that they should just stake Lily and job done, but Stefan has to have the last word and he wanted inexplicably at this point to save Lily. Furthermore, Damon explicitly tells Lily that he would do just that if it weren't for Stefan in his angry rant her outside of the party. Everything Damon is doing, he doing for Stefan, because if it were up to him, Lily and Julian would be long gone.
Lilys rushed redemption arc was just typical of the erratic pacing and crap writing that is hurting this show in a season that could have been so much better.
The things that bugged me were the timing of the Stefan/Lily scenes and the Steroline scenes, smack bang in the middle of STEFANS plan to kill Julian. The lack of urgency from Stefan was just astounding especially since he left Damon in charge of guarding Julian lol, I mean really Stefan, you choose now to have a heart to heart with your Mom, then Caroline about the babies, when earlier you couldn't wait to get away so you could kill Julian? Hello!!!!!
STFU, and go and do what you came to do and stop messing around with all this hero hair BS.
Not a fan of this baby stuff at all, just because I don't like babies or children in supernatural drama. Also Caroline is just not interesting anymore, and her presence in this episode wasn't really needed.
No Bonnie? Although I'm glad that she isn't being used as a magical get out of jail free card in these Salvatore schemes, it does seem slightly strange that she isn't involved in plots that involve witchy woo. I guess she is at college or something.
So Damon is witchy migrained, tied to chairs, vervained and infected with werewolf venom again, good ho! how original.
I had high hopes for this season, especially since the departure of Nina was supposed to breath new life into this show, but it seems they are floundering around aimlessly regardlessly. Having DE around may have divided opinion, but at least some people cared about it, but no one cares about Steroline either way.
Defan is stuck in the same old cycle of Damon capitulating to Stefans every whim, and is nothing more than his henchman sidekick doing the dirty work whilst shelving his own agenda, and it looks like nothing has changed if the FF are anything to go by.
This show never worked better than when Damon was driving the plot or story, and at the moment he is treading water. It's reminiscent of S5 when he was just reacting to everything rather than instigating the action, and it got old fast, and I fear this season will go the same way. He needs a goal, something he need to do for himself, a proper storyline, but it isn't happening yet, and the future looks set to be all about Stefan with the huntress storyline. I fear we are going down a "need to save Stefan SL", which we have already seen ad nauseum, as a replacement for a "need to save Elena" SL for Damon.
I'm bored, and I want my vampires back. We got to see vamp fangs in this episode for once, but not the ones I want to see.
Damon and Stefan are vampires, let them BE vampires show.
True, and Damon has also shown the capacity to forgive also- see Stefan, and Katherine (at first), and I believe he would have forgiven Lily had she given him the slightest reason to. Lily hadn't earned forgiveness from Damon, her death bed apology was too little to late for him especially since he is still living in the misery of which she is partially responsible for.
I understand why people are against Bonnie and Enzo, especially after this episode, but Benzo is a future romance as far as we know. On this show, nobody is anyones first are they?
Enzo can read read poetry to me anytime ok? swoon.
The boring heretics are eating up way too much screen screen time for my tastes, ala the Originals, but I don't hate them. I just wish the allocated screen time was flipped the other way.