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8 hours ago, blackwing said:
I have no idea what to think because all the media articles have Kimberlin Brown saying goodbye to Sheila and talking about how she'd played the role for 35 years. I have a hard time believing the show would kill off its iconic villain, especially when it sounds like the actress would have been happy to have played her forever.
It's pretty soap opera standard to "kill" a villain for a while once they've outstayed their welcome or if it will facilitate more story. Then, eventually, they bring them back from the dead down the road when they've got a new story idea for them. So my guess is that Sheila isn't really dead, but she is gone for the foreseeable future. So, KB is saying goodbye to Sheila, but she may say hello to her at some point either here or on Y&R.
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2 hours ago, norcalgal said:
Why just Deacon?! Doesn’t everyone and their uncle *know* Sheila is missing one toe? Most especially the police?! So wouldn’t anyone else see that “Sheila” seems to have magically grown back her missing toe?
The complete disregard for logic, procedure and how something would happen IRL just makes me so frustrated with soaps!Agreed. Anyone in town who is aware of all of her antics should immediately be like "check the damn toes. Make sure it's her." But, my guess is that Deacon is going to look at her feet out of some affection, wanting to see her missing toe one more time, and he'll see that there's no toe missing. But he'll keep quiet and let her be on the run.
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2 hours ago, SweePea59 said:
Prior to the break-in we heard Sheila's voice say something like, tonight you die Steffy. So that would mean that Sheila had the intention to kill Steffy or have Stuffy killed. Fact. Why else would we have heard that? Tonight you die Steffy, does not mean tonight I will create a situation where you kill the person I send to kill you instead and you will remain alive.
I'm assuming Sugar (or some new doppelganger) was right next to her, offscreen, and Sheila said that for her benefit. Just throwing a completely wild guess out there, Sheila probably told Sugar some version of a plan where Sugar goes in first and, naturally, all of Steffy's focus will be on her. Then, Sheila sneaks in during their confrontation and kills Steffy. And that very well may have been one of her backup plans. Meanwhile, in reality, Sheila sat outside and watched, waiting to see how the confrontation would go. Either Steffy takes Sugar out, and Sheila can disappear for a while to regroup and come up with her next plan (Mrs. Doubtfire, if I had to guess), or Sheila ends up having to go in and kill Steffy, and then she'd leave Sugar (dead or alive) to take the fall. That would also give her the time to get away, regroup, and put her next plan into action.
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I can give Finn a little bit of a grace period to work through his confusing feelings. He is, at least, saying that he knows Steffy had to do it. But, he needs to get past the "but she was my mommy" crap soon. Yes, she birthed you. But, she also had zero interest in popping into your life until she saw a chance to get one over on the Forresters, and, oh yeah, she shot you and your wife and left you for dead. Then she held you hostage and almost killed your real mother. But, I can totally get him not wanting to be there, with the big old blood stain on the floor, while the police have Steffy repeat the story over and over.
Speaking of... Once Ridge and Lurch came back and told everyone the whole story, shouldn't Carter have insisted that either he or another lawyer contact the police on Steffy's behalf to arrange for her to sit, with her lawyer, for an interview the next day instead of just letting her face the police on her own for questioning that night, while she's still reeling from what happened?
I'm still thinking Deacon is going to go to the morgue to see Sheila's body, and he's going to do a toe count and keep quiet when it comes to 10.
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I think we can all call time of death on that marriage.
Ridge and Thomas need to understand the concept that, while you can technically be right, you can also be an entire bag of dicks. See: their behavior at Steffy & Finn's house. The two of them made things worse.
Let's see how Hope and Lurch handle being on opposite sides of this issue, because we know they're going to be.
5 hours ago, Waldo13 said:As a disclaimer, I don’t give 💩💩’s about how Shiela was killed by Stuffy. I was just bring up how the stand your ground law works in most cities and states. Fear for your life and invoking self defense can be used if you believe you are in imminent danger. By the perpetrator not facing you while running or walking away, then the imminent danger is determined to be over.
I'd be surprised if CA/Los Angeles has a stand your ground law (and I absolutely should google, but I'm tired), but regardless of whether one exists in your city/state, I can't imagine that anyone wouldn't have a case of self defense when they stab someone who has broken into their home and is lunging at them. Especially when that person has shot them before. Since Sheila was not walking away at any point, that part of any law isn't relevant to this storyline.
5 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:or that time Taylor let a whole baby go to a woman who she hated because the baby being colicky meant he needed his bio-mom, a
I vaguely remember reading about this storyline in SOD when it was happening. Whatever happened to that kid? Are we just supposed to pretend he never existed? Dropped into the same "never speak of it again" box as Ridge not being Eric's bio kid?
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18 hours ago, norcalgal said:
Speaking for myself, if someone I *personally* know has a history of violence and that person came *uninvited* into my home, I would defend myself by any means necessary, not caring if I’m defending myself “the right way “.
Especially given their history and given that Sheila was told, by both Steffy and Finn, more than once, to stay away from their home. This was not some poor inoocent being stumbling into a random home to get in from the storm. This is someone who already shot both residents of that home. Steffy annoys me mroe days than not, but she had every right in the world to drive a knife into that psycho's heart.
10 hours ago, RuntheTable said:Whelps, looks like there are going to be some rough waters ahead for the Finnegans. Just watching and listening to Finn as Steffy was talking clearly showed he was not a husband who was worried about his wife's ordeal, or that she could have been harmed. And it really annoys me because they make Finn so wishy washy. One day he wants Sheila to stay away and worries that she might hurt Steffy or the kids, then the next day he could care less that Sheila once again entered his home uninvited and unannounced and was acting in a threatening manner. Whether Sheila was there to harm Steffy or to sing Kumbaya is kind of irrelevant to Steffy's fear; remember she is the one that looked down the barrel of Sheila's gun, so why wouldn't she react the way she did?
I can see Finn having mixed emotions, but I can't cut him a break for not being concerned about what his wife has been through. I totally understood him during his conversation with Hope when he said he wishes Steffy wouldn't seek Sheila out for confrontations. And I can even see his whole "I'm a doctor, I save lives" apprehension about anyone saying things are better if someone is dead. But, she came into their home. He's told her to stay away. He knows how dangerous she is, even with his mixed "but she birthed me" feelings. He knows she wasn't there, right after being in a physical fight with Steffy, for anything other than vengeance. Hell, he even told Hope that he didn't like Steffy seeking her out like that because it makes Steffy unsafe.
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On 2/26/2024 at 10:31 PM, BoffoDaWonderSheep said:
Better count those toes!
Something just occurred to me on that count. I feel like somebody (either Finn or Deacon) is going to go to the morgue to see the body, see that she has all ten toes, and they're going to keep it quiet. Deacon would be the more likely suspect there. Things were starting to get too complicated for him. You could see that the things Liam and Hope said to him, along with finding Sheila strangling Steffy, and then Sheila's vengeful rant. He cares about her, but he might feel like knowing she's alive and out there somewhere, safe because everyone believes she's dead, but being out of that relationship so he can be close to Hope and her kids again might be the best case scenario for him. (And since she's not present to seduce him, he can be a little more clearheaded about it being best for him to be out of that relationship).
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Hold on, so, Liam was so worried that they didn't know where Sheila is, and that she could be stalking Steffy, and, instead of going to Steffy's house, or even just calling her, he hunkered down and ordered a fucking pizza? What a hero!
I was half expecting the paramedics to be revealed to be Sheila and Mike in disguise.
Hope and Finn have a nice chemistry.
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1 hour ago, Crashcourse said:
Steffy wanting Sheila dead shouldn't matter because it was still self-defense. Sheila (not Sheila?) came to her house--not the other way around.
It absolutely shouldn't matter, you're right. But soap opera law is fucked up. It'll somehow matter. If she doesn't end up going through legal hell, she will definitely lose Finn over it. Which would still fit Sheila's needs quite well.
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3 hours ago, RuntheTable said:
I think this is all about setting Steffy up for murder charges. She sought out Sheila and attacked her and made it clear that she wanted her dead. And a lot of people know that; Sheila, Deacon, Finn and Hope.
I think so, too. Sheila was the one who started the conversation on the "you want me dead" train. Steffy had initially just said something about Sheila needing to be locked up in prison until she dies. Sheila goaded her into saying that she wouldn't feel safe until she's dead.
It's not at all like Sheila that she was just contentedly living with Deacon, working at the restaurant, and not trying to involve herself in Finn's life. So, it makes sense that she's been meeting with someone to plot this and turn the tables on Steffy, making her be the one who has to go to prison.
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32 minutes ago, BoffoDaWonderSheep said:
Sheila was probably reconnecting with her plastic surgery doppelgänger Sugar and somehow convinced her to attack Steffy in her home. That explains why Sugar said nothing while attacking her - Steffy might have noticed the voice change? Better count those toes!
Oh, crap, that's a good point. I forgot about that whole "meeting with someone from her past" thing. Why that wasn't more alarming to Deacon is beyond me. Who from her past would be remotely healthy for her to be reconnecting with?
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I have never liked Steffy more.
Finn's conversation with Hope was better than I feared it would be. I really thought he was going to be floating back to that wishy washy "but she's my mommy" thing. I was relieved to see that he was more upset about the possibility of Sheila going after Steffy again than he was upset at her on his mommy's behalf. And I can accept that a doctor would have issues with the concept of saying it's best for anyone to be dead. And if the show is working towards Hope/Finn, I feel much better about that prospect with Sheila being dead.
21 minutes ago, bluvelvet said:If Liam thought that Sheila was at Steffy's, WHY didn't he just go there instead of chatting with Deacon. Lord knows he pops us there with stuffed animals all the time..
This. All of his big talk about how only he can protect Steffy and the kids, and when he actually believes she's in danger, he's sitting there debating it with Deacon instead of rushing over there. Probably wanted Deacon to go with him so he wouldn't have to face off with Sheila on his own. At least Finn didn't hesitate to jump in front of an actual bullet for Steffy.
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7 minutes ago, Waldo13 said:
Is Shiela really dead or is it another dream sequence?
I haven't watched today's show yet, but I believe she is sincerely (for now) dead, because:
SpoilerI saw an interview a little earlier with KB saying she's out.
Of course, we all know she's not permanently dead, because there is no way Bell will be able to resist bringing her back at some point down the road. Maybe when they SORAS Hayes.
Oh, and I forgot to put this into my bitching about Sheila last week. All of her "all I want is a relationship with my son and grandson, and Steffy is stopping me" bullshit? Bitch, you did not show up in his life until the day you knew he was marrying Steffy. Take every single seat, because what you really wanted was to use him as a tool to worm your way into the Forrester family. You fucking revelled in walking into Eric's living room on his brand new grandson-in-law's arm, introducing yourself as his biological mother. If it was just about having a relationship with him, you would have popped into his life way before that point.
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2 hours ago, NinjaPenguins said:
Imagine the weeks, nay! Imagine the months of Sheila repeating the same threats, justifications and monologues while Liam stands around with that dopey expression on his face. Bell could stretch this out for at least a year by padding episodes with flashbacks!
And, in the end, Wyatt rides back into town and saves both of them.
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2 hours ago, SweePea59 said:
Why was Steffy so stupid as to poke the sleeping bear?
Especially since the last time she went charging over to confront Sheila by herself, she and Finn ended up shot and left for dead in an alley.
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2 minutes ago, bluvelvet said:
Separately I would love for some Steam flashbacks from Steffy..you know
1. Liam telling her "I hate you"
2. Crawling on the ground begging
3. Catching Liam and Hope about to have sex after giving birth to Kelly
4. Liam forgetting Kelly existed while he made his new home with Hope
5. Crying alone while pregnant...
6. Brooke telling her that Liam will have to focus on his new family
etc..etc..etc..
You know the highlights...
Those are the scenes my brain immediately superimposed over the flashbacks they were showing the other day. Along with Steffy riding Bill like a stallion.
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9 hours ago, Artsda said:
There's a difference between them. He actually changed. He went to therapy. We heard and saw him do all the work and effort.
When did we see him do all the work and effort? We got one therapy scene that seemed to be run by his mommy instead of the therapist he was seeing. Then, Mommy kept ambushing Steffy by showing up with him at her house until she gave in and accepted him back into her life. That led to the two of them tag teaming to repeatedly insist that he was all better and a different man now. Then Steffy told Hope she had to take him back on to HFTF or the line was going to get shut down. I just can't see how any of that was him doing the work. He sat behind his mommy and his sister and let them force him back into everyone's lives. And, sure, he's mostly fine right now, but it's because he's mostly getting what he wants. He got his job back, and Hope is in his bed. But, he's not completely changed, because he refuses to accept Hope's request that he give her time and not pressure her about his proposal.
Hell, at least Sheila saved a drowning kid. Thomas has had absolutely zero in the way of redeeming moments since his last evil antics (which came after he was also supposed to be a changed man).
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Sheila really manipulated that whole "Steffy wants me dead" thing, didn't she? Steffy said she belongs in prison until she dies, and then Sheila was the one who jumped on that and needled Steffy into saying that her family won't be safe until she's dead. Then, Sheila turned that around and made it sound, to Finn and Deacon, like Steffy just voluntarily said she wants her dead. And Steffy just accepted that mantle. She didn't correct Finn when they got home and tell him how Sheila led her to say it.
I just had to laugh at Hope mockingly relaying Sheila's "I've changed. I'm a different person now" bullshit to the man who has been laying the same bullshit on her. And neither one of them seems to even remotely grasp the irony.
I feel like the writers have changed their minds multiple times on where all of the Deacon/Sheila/Finn/Steffy/Liam shit is going. Now it seems like we're back on the Finn is stupid over his bio mom, so Steffy will flee back to Waffles track. Ick.
Go ahead and surprise me writers. I am assuming that Deacon is going to head over to Steffy's house now, because he has to know that's exactly where Sheila headed the second his back was turned. So, he'll run over and get her out of there and try to get her to calm down. Surprise me, though, and have him wash his hands of her when he catches her over there. Because he's risking his relationship with his daughter and grandchildren, banking on her really having changed, and she's showing him she hasn't changed.
Oh, back to the writers changing tracks. We haven't seen any Bill/Poppy scenes since the dinner where she realized she didn't have her drugs, and neither has mentioned the other in the scenes since then (except for him being part of the conversation between Li and Poppy). I suspect that the original plan was for Luna to be Bill's daughter and for the three of them to be this happy family. Obviously, if that was the plan, they already changed their minds on him being the father, but it also makes me wonder if they're going to back off the Bill/Poppy relationship altogether.
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Kind of looks that way. (Hey, anyone but Thomas, so, sure, what the hell. Why not?) Also, is it me, or does it seem like Steffy is going to kill Sheila, probably in self-defense, but her having told her she wants her dead will have Finn and Deacon insisting it was intentional?
I'm wondering how we get from today's cliffhanger to these spoilers. I'm going to guess that Deacon figures out where Sheila went, and he hustles over there to retrieve her before she can do anything. And maybe Liam is also being a creepy stalker and spots them leaving Steffy's house? And that's what leads to the Deacon/Liam argument on Tuesday?
Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Monday, February 26:
Finn confesses his true feelings about Steffy and Sheila’s altercation to Hope.
Steffy can’t shake her overwhelming, ominous feeling about Sheila.
Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Tuesday, February 27:
Deacon and Liam argue about Sheila’s unpredictable behavior.
Steffy and Finn encounter an unexpected challenge.
Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Wednesday, February 28:
Carter delivers unanticipated information to Ridge and Thomas.
Finn reels at Steffy’s news.
Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Thursday, February 29:
Hope informs Brooke of Steffy and Sheila’s fight.
Ridge and Thomas stand in support of Steffy while Finn supports Sheila.
Bold & Beautiful spoilers for Friday, March 1:
Ridge makes a request of Deputy Chief Baker.
Hope comforts a distraught Finn at Sheila’s apartment.
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"I'm not a threat to you." Bitch, you shot her and her husband and left them for dead in an alley. She's always so damn delusional about the extent of what she's done and how she expects everyone to just get over it and embrace her. I was happy that, when Deacon and Finn came in, it was Sheila on the attack, strangling Steffy. Yeah, sure, Steffy sought her out and started shit, but I'm just so deeply tired of Sheila. She's not even a fun, campy, love to hate villain. She's just whiny and tiresome. And if I never hear her call Deacon "daddy" again, it will be too soon.
Finn's duh face whenever confronted with Sheila is so ridiculous. Where is the Finn who had nothing but venom for her when he was stuck in that hospital bed at her mercy? That Finn was interesting, and TN did a really good job with those scenes. "But she's my mommy" confused Finn is terrible, and TN's acting is horrific in those kinds of scenes.
Liam, shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Hayes is still going to be Sheila's grandson no matter who Steffy is married to. Even if Finn embraced her and said "but I'm giving Steffy full custody of Hayes," Sheila wouldn't be content with that. If anything, it would piss her off more and make her more obsessive, because Steffy hurt her son and took her grandson away.
Let's have this fight, along with his conversation with Hope in yesterday's episode, be the nail in the coffin for Deacon's relationship with Sheila. And have Finn, tomorrow, reiterate that he wants her to stay the hell away from his family. Then, let Sheila lose her shit, do what she's going to do, and finally toss her into jail and send her off screen for a nice long time. She works best in small doses, and she has way outstayed her welcome this time. They should have had a much longer gap between when they thought she was mauled to death by a bear and when she reappeared.
And, Lord, please don't let her mention of her other kids mean the show is thinking of adding some of her offspring to the canvas. We don't need that.
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2 hours ago, Crashcourse said:
I've forgotten so much about this show, so does Liam know that his dad and Steffy smashed?
Yes. He found out when he was grabbing something for her out of her bag, and he saw the paternity test.
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I just keep hoping that one of the times he barges into her house, he catches her and Finn going at it on the couch and realizes that she never enjoyed sex with him as much as she seems to be enjoying it with Finn.
Zende is like the love child of Thomas and Liam. I'd put most of my chips on Zende, after convincing Luna to keep quiet, finds a way to make sure RJ learns the truth like a month or so down the line, because that would be a bigger stake to the heart than hearing the truth now. I'm sliding a couple of chips over to the Zende hooks up with Poppy bet, though. There's just something about their scenes that makes me think they've been getting a chem test.
And, of course, Thomas is still trying to pressure Hope, with that talk about how Eric is teaching all of them to grab love and happiness when you can because you never know. He will never respect her wishes when her wishes don't line up with what he wants.
I laughed when Sheila turned away from Deacon's kiss to punish him. Since the physical is what she has gone to in the past to keep him on the hook when he's tried to end things, I highly encourage her to punish him by withholding intimacy. Do it. Do it! Maybe he can get his head on straight again when he's not sex drunk.
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I'll say that I think AN and MA used to have chemistry, before they started hooking up. Now, their only chemistry, to me, is that the two of them are both game to put on a show for their sex scenes. Fully clothed, though? They seem super awkward. Thomas seems like he's way too earnest about trying to be someone he isn't, and Hope veers from uncomfortable to trying too hard to make this more. The only conversations they have are "I love you and only you. I want you to put that ring on your finger, because that's where it belongs," and "I care so much about you, but I'm not ready yet. But this is so great." It's like Bell found a way to make the repetitive dialogue thing even worse by giving it to two characters instead of just one. No soap couple has ever been entertaining while having the same exact "we really want to be shmoopy" conversation about their feelings over and over and over and over and over. It's not quite to "cha cha cha" levels of embarrassingly repetitive, but it's going to get there soon.
All their chemistry, to me, was in the tension before anything happened. The way AN looked at him sometimes really drove that chemistry (which, now that I think of it, the chemistry may all be Annika. I don't think I've seen MA's Thomas have chemistry with anyone other than his mother). But she's not looking at him like the forbidden fruit anymore, and it's really kind of killed off what I was seeing.
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1 minute ago, La di Diva said:
@KwrlwyQ -- I agree up to the 'somehow ended up passing out in bed' part.
Luna didn't just lie down because she was feeling unwell and pass out. She took off all her clothes, climbed into bed naked, and passed out/ fell asleep.
How would she explain that to RJ? How would she explain the getting naked part? Who goes to get water and strips off their clothes? Last but not least -- the mansion has a kitchen -- why go to the guest house for water?
I was going with the "somehow ended up" thing presuming that she doesn't really remember all of those details.
As for the water, she was already outside and saw the water through the window of the guest house. And, well, she was drugged and not thinking straight, so, in that state, all that registered was "I'm super thirsty, and there's some water."
People who are drugged don't make rational decisions.
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The Spoiler Collection
in The Bold And The Beautiful
This week's spoilers. I honestly forgot about RJ/Luna/Xende until I saw them mentioned on Friday's spoilers.
I'm still thinking we somehow end up with a Zende/Poppy one night stand (or more).