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57 minutes ago, DanaMB said:
I’ve started re-watching it, too and totally agree.
SpoilerIn the books, that is actually the first scene where they meet. So they start off on a better foot where he immediately likes and respects her. I started to get nervous that they actually took it out when it didn't happen at the first ball.
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But A Christmas Prince was Netflix. 😭
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On 1/7/2021 at 4:38 PM, norcalgal said:
ITA to all this! As for what I bolded, I think Hallmark made a deliberate policy to explain the surviving parent was available for a new romance because the spouse died, rather than availability through divorce. Things may change with the new regime, but I very definitely got the feeling Hallmark pushed the divorce = bad/is a sin agenda.
I think this was likely their policy in the past. However, more recently they've had divorced main characters more often. I think it started this year, so it may have been introduced by the new boss woman.
I don't know what's with all of my superficial comments recently, and this is a somewhat older movie that I'm going to comment on - I was flipping through Netflix and had to pause and do something else, so it started playing the trailer for the movie I randomly had stopped at at the time, A Christmas Prince. I watched this back closer to when it first came out and was unfamiliar with the main actor at the time, and I thought he was pretty unattractive. I've since seen Ben Lamb in other things and thought he was very attractive and had to keep looking up why he looked somewhat familiar. WTH did the makeup/hair people and whoever else do to him in A Christmas Prince to make him look so blah? I don't think that's what they were going for. Is it just me?
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On 1/5/2021 at 9:21 PM, Empress1 said:
More generally, it's interesting to see which shows address COVID and which do not. I'm watching This Is Us right now and COVID is part of the world those characters live in (they mention it, wear masks, etc.), but this one apparently isn't going to. All the singing kind of made me nervous, although I'm sure they're testing on set.
The singing made me nervous, too. It's crazy to think about how we're going to see things that used to be "normal" so differently from now on.
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22 hours ago, magdalene said:
Yes! I wonder who her accomplice could be?
Not sure if you want to be spoiled at all from the books, but there is talk of how she did it in the books in our books vs. series thread.
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9 minutes ago, magdalene said:
The show hasn't explained how they envision her doing it, but if you go in the book vs. series thread, I and RachelKM (more recently) describe how they explain it in the books.
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Right. We don't know for sure Penelope's motivation. She did try the discreet route with Colin earlier when she only told him Marina was in love with someone else. That wasn't enough. By the time the decision was made to elope to Gretna Green, others have already explained why there was no realistic way to discreetly tell him in time. So we don't definitively know, based on what was actually shown on screen, if Penelope was doing it for Colin or doing it for herself. At this point her motivation is vague, which is why it has created so much debate.
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He must actually do both if he also played Billy Elliott (the kid).
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3 hours ago, Kohola3 said:
But they managed to save the white twinkle lights and leave them up all over town the house in Taking a Shot at Love.
Right on, sister. That was two hours of my life I will never get back.
But, a small plus, She could dance and he could skate which puts them a step above in the usual "lack of any skills" category. Of course the kid hockey player was so obviously a double they might as well have put a sign on him saying "don't look too closely" whilst only showing his feet.
The kid supposedly is actually a hockey player 🤷♀️ https://twitter.com/shermwolfe/status/1345563392422117377?s=19
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42 minutes ago, ursula said:Daphne enters into marriage literally knowing nothing about sex and this is taken as realistic, yet Marina is expected to "know the score"? It's interesting who gets the benefit of innocence and who doesn't.
Marina came from the country. If she took any notice of farm animals as Colin suggests to Eloise in that awesome scene ....😉😂
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13 hours ago, Gwendolyn said:
Re-reading The Viscount Who Loved Me, Pen doesn't stay fat (Pen tells Kate she lost 28 lbs), so as a book reader this isn't a case of fat girls sticking together. She does stay short though. And she's the under dog because she's Lady F's daughter and Lady F is making it harder for her daughters to find husbands by not having a clue how they look in the clothes she picks or how she talks about them and to others.
In Romancing Mister Bridgerton, Pen says she lost nearly two stone, but she still describes herself as not being thin. She "...could now call herself 'pleasantly rounded' rather than a 'hideous pudge.' She was still nowhere near the slender ideal of womanhood that ruled the day..." So I guess people could still say that they relate to her because of that. I didn't see that many people using her weight as an excuse, though. I relate to book Penelope more primarily due to personality traits and also somewhat to my own physical insecurity that isn't related to weight but to other aspects of my appearance. Speaking for myself, I would put myself in the boat that someone else on this thread (or maybe the Lady W thread) already described - I still see it more as me supporting book Penelope, who I see as true canon, and being disappointed that the show messed that up as opposed to me just excusing show Penelope because she's fat. And suspecting that the show creators didn't realize that they messed her up and probably weren't intending to.
55 minutes ago, Brn2bwild said:I've tried to read all the posts in this thread in order to make sure my question hasn't been answered, so hopefully this isn't redundant. But in the books, are Benedict and Colin going into the army/navy or the Church? It's strange to me that the younger 20-something brothers of a viscount would be allowed to just hang around the house and suck up family money instead of being pushed to make their own way in the world. In real life, it seems like Anthony would have pushed them out, given them an allowance, and told them they had to find careers.
I remembered this being referenced in Colin/Penelope's book and went back to check. In the books, Colin does in fact spend a lot of time traveling, as he heads off to do after season 1 of the show. It isn't spurred by the events of the show, but he does travel. When he returns in the book, there's exploration of his seeming "need" to travel and difficulty staying home for long periods of time and not knowing exactly why. There's one section that says, "Every now and then, he simply had to get away. There was no other way to describe it. Away from the ton, who thought him a charming rogue and nothing else, away from England, which encouraged younger sons to enter the military or the clergy, neither of which suited his temperament." So I think he doesn't want to do those things and is able to get away with not doing those things because the family is well off enough that he doesn't have to and is more understanding of his choices than the typical family like theirs might be. They just want him to be happy. Colin is trying to figure out his path. And as the show has already started showing with Benedict, he is able to find his path with his art.
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6 minutes ago, bijoux said:
I got a wiff of ew, that's George's brother. Which I would likely feel as well, but a big difference is that I'm living 200 years after Marina. So it feels anachronistic much like Daphne putting Berbrooke down because of his age. Which by my count is Simon's age as well.
And on a superficial note, I thought Sir Phillip was pretty good looking himself, the little we got to see of him. I would have accepted his offer in a heartbeat if that was me at the time. 😄
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4 hours ago, Atlanta said:
I guess I feel for Pen a bit. She was ignored by her family, the Ton, and possible suitors. She was friend-zoned by Colin and only her BFF seemed to give her any agency. It's been forever since I've read the books (rereading now but only on book 2), but I wonder if the LW pamphlet started as a way of venting her frustration with society and being a wallflower or started as a private diary. Maybe she didn't realize the influence until it was too late? Perhaps she got a high off of her peers finally hanging on her every word. She got tired of being 'poor harmless Penelope'. The ton was easily bored (they mingled with the same people year after year) and this gave them a little excitement.
I also mentioned this in the book vs. series thread but
SpoilerYou are correct that she started the LW writing to vent her frustration and anger at the bullies and people who mistreated or ignored her in society. Kind of like a private diary. She felt better writing it all out for herself after coming home from various events. Then one day, when her family is all out of the house, she is working on it and leaves briefly to "go to the bathroom." Her father's solicitor happens to come by or was there and sees her writing, reads it, seems entertained by it, and comes up with the idea of publishing. He helps her set everything up. But this TV plot point never happened in the books, so we can only guess what factors influenced her to follow through and publish what she did and what consequences she anticipated. You pose some possibilities.
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38 minutes ago, DearEvette said:
That's fine. But that is book canon. That hasn't been established in tv show canon yet. And we see her delivering her stuff to the publisher, by herself at night. My point is that in tv show this proves that she can move about, get where she wants to be and be resourceful. So it doesn't make sense she could not have made time to get Colin alone and talk to him, especially since she saw their packed bags and had enough time to get her story to the publisher within hours to get that edition of Lady Whistledown out and about before Marina and Colin could leave the next morning.
I actually wasn't explaining that related to the argument for how to handle the Colin/Marina situation. I was more using it related to your comment that she seemed very young on the show (as Penelope) compared to in the books. I would need to go back and reread how she came across in the earlier books when she was actually that age, since there's mostly just reference to her recalling, at age 28, how she was at the previous time. But it isn't like book Penelope was necessarily much more mature/savvy either, since she wasn't the one who figured out the publishing stuff. Thinking about it, it actually does seem kind of youthful that her first Lady W writings were her way of complaining about all the people who were mean to her and venting it. She was just skillful with writing.
I still think the TV series will have to eventually keep the background about the solicitor doing much of the work setting her up if they want to maintain any sense of reality. No matter how intelligent or savvy people want to say TV Lady Whistledown is, even if TV Penelope truly shares those traits, there's no way a 17 y.o. society girl would have any idea how to set up a gossip column business, let alone make it actually happen when other people are involved in the process.
11 minutes ago, RachelKM said:Colin could be anywhere in London. I don't even recall if he had a bachelor residence or lived at the the family residence. But there was no way for her to know if he was at either or to seek him at such a location. Visiting a bachelor's residence would immediately ruin her (assuming he was even home) if ANY word of it got out. If he lived in Bridgerton home, she could never arrive there in the middle of the evening and ask to speak to him. Even running to Eloise to cry was a violation of norms, but she found her outside and only saw Eloise and Eloise was unlikely to mind or call her out for it even if she wasn't sobbing.
I think his book references that he lived at the family residence still at that point. I could be recalling that incorrectly.
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From the episode 8, After the Rain thread:
I reread most of Romancing Mr. Bridgerton after watching the show so I could enjoy Penelope and Colin again. While Penelope did seem a bit young and naive on the show, it isn't like she was the one who figured out all that needed to be done to get published in the first place in the books. She originally just wrote for herself to get out her anger and frustration at the people who treated her poorly. Then, while going to the bathroom one day when everyone was out of the house, she had left her writing out and her father's solicitor happened to show up and read them and loved it. He was the one who set up everything for her. He was even the one who came up with the idea of giving it away for free the first two weeks before charging people. So while she didn't come across as maybe quite so young at the start of Lady W, she also wasn't fully the brains behind how the process all worked.
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1 hour ago, DearEvette said:
I was wondering how the revelation of Lady Whistledown would go down. Again, as a book reader I knew it was Pen. So again I could not watch without that knowledge knocking in the back of my head. I have to say this is where the show kinda fell down for me. Pen as she is realized on screen seemed too naive, too sheltered to get the Whistledown enterprise up and running. The actresses face was too youthful and her bearing and demeanour just read as very young to me. She would have had to make the contact with the printer, negotiate how to get it distributed etc. It just seems very sophisticated and advanced for a girl who couldn't figure out how babies were made. Now if they had used Eloise's personality (and actress) in place of Pen I could believe it. But not Pen. Also, I kinda hate Pen for what she did to Marina. Again, for a girl who is resourceful enough to have an entire ass printed gossip enterprise, you'd think she be smarter about how she went about dealing with Colin and Marina. Also she is now new, she is a lady of her society, she knew exactly what the consequences would be to Marina and to her family for what she did.
Responding in the book vs. series thread
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7 hours ago, RachelKM said:
As for making something less damaging up, that would be scandal for scandal's sake while lying. She had already told Colin that Marina had a past. His attitude was, "So do I." So it would be ruining Marina publicly and, should he continue to Gretna Green, Colin as well. As for telling him privately, how and when? I wish she had done so at the musical they attended instead of stopping at that Marina had a past with another man. But she didn't. And, as someone else pointed out, Marina and Colin were already packed intending to elope the following day.
I was wishing the same. I actually assumed she didn't at that point because she was trying to keep that part of Marina's secret. That she was hoping it would be enough for him to hear that Marina was in love with someone else. Unfortunately, it wasn't, and everything else happened the way that it did. Everyone else has said enough about that, so I won't bother commenting on the rest.
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38 minutes ago, Katsullivan said:
Well the Baby Ever After ending was sentimental enough to almost make me forget the rape that preceded it. Almost. I guess this isn't the kind of show that invites deep speculation into our designated heroes's motives. Daphne gets everything she wants without her own actions being questioned or examined. Simon's trauma was solved by the power of her couche. The reveal of Penelope is assuming book canon because it made even less sense than Dan Humphrey and that's saying something. It casts her friendship with Marina in an ugly light that I'm not sure the show realizes since apparently we're still supposed to root for them?
Were those sex scenes filmed before or after the Covid outbreak?
Does anyone know if this is a limited series or if there'll be more? I know there is a book for each Bridgerton's romance, but I don't know what the TV series's deal is.
I agree that the show doesn't seem to realize the ugly light it casts considering so many here now hate Penelope while she was generally liked from the books.
The show finished filming right before production universally shut down. I think February? Or early March at the latest.
It hasn't officially been renewed, but there's reference to possibly starting to shoot season 2 in March. So I guess it is expected to return. I don't know how many seasons they are hoping for. Someone else on one of these threads mentioned something about 5 books at the most - not sure where that information came from.
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3 minutes ago, RachelKM said:
from the Lady Whistledown thread:
I had honestly spaced the Lady W reveal part of the series but it's coming back to me slowly. And this is one of the things I feel the book did much better with Penelope. It was clearer in the book that she spent her time on the periphery being a perpetual wallflower and overlooked by everyone.
They also left how much time was spent by Lady W ribbing the Featheringtons for their mother's sartorial selections. On the whole, most of her gossipy stories and comments were either poking fun at absurdities or were mild and merely designed to stir intrigue rather than ruin.
I started re-reading that book after watching the series - that's the only reason I was able to note some of the specifics. Otherwise, I have the worst memory in the world and wouldn't have remembered anything. I actually tried to say something similar in response to someone's post in the episode 8 thread, but I guess referencing that her writing was targeted to mean people and not nice people was considered spoilery outside of this thread and was removed. I added the post back under spoiler tags. 🤷♀️
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3 hours ago, Enero said:
Well that’s certainly the truth. She is far from it. In fact, I’d label her more the devil than a misguided soul. She is not the type of “friend” I’d want to have. One who smiles in your face, all the while publishing yours and your family’s secrets, causing destruction in her wake. I don’t have anything really to add to what others have said about her deception except I agree with all that has been said. She’s the worst kind and I hope she’s eventually found out, perhaps when she’s about to marry Colin which would be rich (if that happens) and suffers the consequences of her actions.
SpoilerThis is an unfortunate change from the book, and I wonder if the show writers have any clue the way that they completely flipped people's opinions of a core character based on made up events with a very minor book character. It is made very clear in the books (especially in Penelope's book) that she only wrote truly negative things about people who were considered to be bullies or otherwise terrible people and was generally kind in her writings about those more deserving. Because of that specifically, fans of "Lady Whistledown" included people like Lady Danbury. So she would never smile in someone's face and then write something devastating afterwards. They were either unkind to her and to others and/or didn't even notice her existence as Penelope.
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1 minute ago, BlackberryJam said:
Lady Whistledown isn't particularly worldly. She just repeats gossip. She only seems worldly because she's voiced by Julie Andrews.
And people spill a lot within her hearing since they don't even notice her existence.
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44 minutes ago, BlackberryJam said:
She is a bit of a limp dishrag. I keep thinking of her as low-rent Keira Knightly.
You and I seem to share a brain with this series. Her voice and facial mannerisms are totally Keira Knightly, even if she doesn't look like her (except maybe the mouth).
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3 minutes ago, Door County Cherry said:
The actors who play Colin and Benedict (who I agree does seem older) haven't really been in as many things. They might be terrific actors but I do question whether or not their love stories/their characters would be able to be the center of a season. Especially Benedict's. I read the description of his book and I can't even tell what the plot or story is?
Benedict's story is pretty much Cinderella.
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56 minutes ago, BlackberryJam said:
I found it difficult initially to distinguish between Anthony, Benedict and Colin. I think Benedict looks on the older side and kept thinking he should be Anthony. That was one problem I had translating the books to visual medium.
I thought the exact same thing. I actually went to look up the actors on IMDB to see if the ages actually matched, but there was no age for the Benedict actor and I decided not to go crazy searching further for something insignificant.
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I've gotten better, but I used to confuse Ashley Williams and Rachel Boston. I don't particularly care for either of them either.