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Ugh. I felt bad for Ben when he lost the final immunity challenge, but my next thought after that was, "I guess that's the risk you take when your strategy relies on winning immunity to get to the end." I was very disappointed that there was a twist in the game to give him another chance. In general, I don't like the idea of adding a twist right at the end, because I feel like, in order for things to be fair, people need to be able to base their plans on something, even if it's just understanding the basic format of the game. He played better than most of the others in that he could keep a secret and tell a lie, but this was a disappointing season.
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On 12/6/2017 at 10:35 PM, mythoughtis said:
Both Ben and Chrissy are taking this game and everyone’s actions way too personally. They both have fallen into the Survivor hole of thinking people on their alliance are always going to be in their alliance. Thus when a player betrays them, the betrayed one demands an explanation as if they are owed one. As if the other player was supposed to sacrifice their game to save them.
I'm definitely on the side of saying "This is a game and you can't be mad at people for playing it" but I also think sportsmanship matters -- to me, that includes understanding that a win for you is a loss for your opponent, and not rubbing it in their face or being insensitive about that. Neither Chrissy or Ben are covering themselves in glory when it comes to sportsmanship, but I also understand that, when you play a game where people win by ganging up on each other, it can feel a lot more personal.
17 hours ago, millennium said:Me too. I don't get it. There are people whose "loved ones" (hate that phrase now) get sent off to prison or war or wherever and when they finally reunite after three or six months it's nothing like the spectacle of a Survivor loved ones episode.
Ever since this show began, I've always said that I wouldn't want anyone to come visit me if I were competing, because it would be a distraction. I can understand the POV where it's an advantage to have someone who's not part of the game who you can talk to about your stress, but I feel like they already have that when they film their interviews each day.
On the other hand though, if you're not used to being separated from your family or the people you're closest to, the first few days of that separation are the most painful -- when you combine that pain with the stress of being on a physically and mentally exhausting gameshow where everyone you interact with is an opponent, I can understand crying about it.
What I dislike most about the loved ones visits is the way the show taunts people who are very vulnerable with the possibility of seeing someone they love and then rips it away.
15 hours ago, Jodithgrace said:Lauren gave it to him so that half of the idol was his to do with as he pleased. You can't steal somebody's idol or destroy it against their will, but if they give it to you, all bets are off. Of course, it was a stupid move, not to mention finding it and immediately announcing it to all. It's so frustrating when people are compelled to share their idols and advantages with anyone...even their very BFF in the game.
I would have liked to hear more of the discussion Lauren and Mike had about the idol for exactly this reason. I also get that it would take away from the immersion and stuff if we saw exactly how production explains things to the contestants, but, on occasions like this, I always wish that I had known the full set of rules.
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I think they really frakked up the tone this season. They seem like maybe they're going for a West Side Story / Grease kind of thing where the tough kids are not actually that tough, and everybody puts on leather jackets and sings a song or something, but they're being so self-serious about it that it makes me sit there asking myself why the Serpents, and the Black Hood, and the Red Circle are all so lame. This episode was no exception.
On 12/6/2017 at 9:10 PM, SeanC said:This week in "the show conflates the actors' ages with the characters", Betty (who is, what, 16?) does a poledance at a biker bar while a bunch of adults (including her mom and her boyfriend's dad) watch.
Word. I was moderately uncomfortable last season when Cheryl and Veronica had a sexy dance-off for no apparent reason, but watching Betty do a strip show for no apparent reason blew that away. I also didn't like how the show tried to let itself off the hook by having one of the characters say verbally that it's misogynist before it happened -- as though acknowledging that there's a problem with it makes it okay to do it.
Coming back to the tone thing, it also feels weird, because I think the show simultaneously wants us to believe that this was somehow a cool, fun, harmless thing for Betty to do (that will likely be forgotten immediately), and also a very dark and gritty thing for her to do to prove that she's not so clean and nice.
On 12/6/2017 at 9:27 PM, bettername2come said:That dance was weird, but not as weird as Betty's singing continuing while she was doing it. I'm waiting for Betty to go full on split personality at this point, which just makes the pole dancing teenager even creepier.
I liked Mrs. Cooper in Serpent gear.
Yeah, I also agree that the way they shot and edited that scene was confusing. It almost seemed like the dance was a fantasy sequence and she literally just took off her clothes and finished singing the karaoke song, which would be super disturbed -- even more than doing the dance. Also, wasn't it implied that doing the dance would make her a serpent? Is she a serpent now? Nothing about it makes sense.
On the Alice Cooper thing... I wasn't as into it. I don't like this idea that you put on a leather jacket and somehow it changes your personality. People are who they choose to be -- Alice made choices to be the person she is today, which is different from the person she was X number of years ago when she lived on the south side -- why would she just slip back into it? Was she playacting to try to scare Betty away from the serpents? Are we supposed to believe she was hiding a secret serpent nature all along? Or is it just that the writers got bored with Alice and said, "You know what would be fun? Let's make her a serpent."
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Who. Rarely if ever have I seen a solid game go sideways for someone so fast. It seemed like Lauren really messed up, but I had to admit that based on what we saw, she also was backed into a corner a little. It wasn't her idea to start talking about Ben at the well, and she found the idol in front of other people in her alliance so she couldn't keep it a secret. I do think it was a bad move to give part of the idol to Mike (or anyone), but she was actually correct that she had the numbers and people were convinced to vote against Ben. It's just that Ben also had an idol. I hope she was lying about destroying the extra vote.
As for why Chrissy, Ryan and Mike would vote Ben instead of Lauren, I don't know. Lauren, Ashley, and Devon seem like a solid block, so taking one of them out should have been the smarter move, so it would scramble the numbers more.
35 minutes ago, cooksdelight said:Everyone and their brother is going to be wondering if those bags of marbles were reloaded, with Chrissy having two balls of the same color, and her husband the same, to turn things upside down.
The thought occurred to me, but, even if production wanted to rig the game, that would be risky since it's easily discovered as soon as someone dumps their bag out in frustration. It also looked like it was a game where there were two balls in each bag, one white, one black, and I think Chrissy drew both white and black balls, so I don't think it can be rigged.
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I have to say, I was impressed by the plan to make Ben a double agent so that the numbers wouldn't turn against the main alliance after the first vote. I can see the drawbacks, since it separates one person from the group and makes the alliance slipperier, but this is the first time I can remember seeing an alliance actively try to conceal who's in their alliance and bluff to the others (aside from season one). I was also impressed by how kindly Joe accepted Mike as his alliancemate even though Mike wasn't doing anything to help his game.
Re: JP -- I have a theory that the Survivors tend to target physically strong players before strategic players because physical strength is more objective, and seems like it can't be countered as easily. People who aren't physically strong normally know that about themselves because they have lots of evidence in their day-to-day lives. We also know that building muscles requires time --no one on the tribe is suddenly going to be stronger than JP in the next five or six days. But, when it comes to strategy, it's easier to believe that you can out-think someone or out-plan someone, so it doesn't seem like such a pressing threat. It's easier for everyone to think, "I can be smarter than Ryan and Chrissy" than "I can lift something heavy to win immunity better than JP."
I also think it's valid to worry that people who rely on athleticism and individual immunities are a threat to win, since they may not make as many enemies along the way.
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So.. is this the first time someone played an idol just because they were bored?
On 11/22/2017 at 9:06 PM, ElleryAnne said:Can Ryan please stop talking about the idol in his pants?
Especially because it's not literally true at the moments he's saying it. Like, he's not continuing to carry it around in the waistband of his shorts. I get that he's telling people because he's so pleased with himself that he wants to brag to the other men -- which is probably a large part of the reason most people who tell somebody tell -- but he also seems unduly pleased with this specific phrasing; almost like he needs to make up for not whispering it to someone right at the moment it happened. /psychoanalysis
On 11/22/2017 at 9:25 PM, Rachel RSL said:Also, I was wrong. I thought for sure they would be discussing the missing vote from last week's TC but, nope, Lauren really did get away with it. I probably wouldn't have noticed either. I can't keep track of the votes half the time when I'm sitting at home on my couch.
On a normal vote, I'd agree that it would probably be easy to let it slip by but, in this case, the first vote came back as a tie, which means that people should have been counting a lot more closely to figure out how that happened. I'm seriously confused that no one brought it up.
16 hours ago, loki567 said:I'll give Ben some credit for what I thought was a really good episode for him strategy-wise. One thing I've noticed about Big Brother or Survivor seasons where a single player dominates, there's usually a loud overbearing outsider who functions as a hate sink. Somebody so obnoxious that even when they're giving logical strategy advice to the other players, everybody ignores it because fuck that guy. That's clearly Joe. And even though there was some disagreement between the majority alliance, that was only because they hated Joe that much. As long as he's around, it guarantees the alliance doesn't start to turn on Ben until they're able to get rid of Joe. The fact that Ben pointed that out, showed some next level thinking from him and that he's got more going on than just being soldier guy.
I read that more as Ben being the only one to really buy into Joe's "plan" to make people hate him so that he becomes a goat to take to the end. At the same time, though, I'm disappointed by the strategy in general this episode. People seem to be making moves that take a lot of effort but have questionable value overall -- and Joe's "plan" to be unlikable is one of them. It didn't work the way he wanted it to, because only Ben seemed to believe it was best to keep him around but, even if it did work, the jury's not likely to vote for someone who made them feel angry and upset all the time, so then what?
15 hours ago, sigmaforce86 said:I liked Ben up until now but whatever got him into "push them around mode" - paranoia or lack of food or maybe even his true personality coming out - made him not just unlikable but more than a little tone deaf to his fellow tribe/alliance members. If he can't reign it in and apologize (and sound like he means it) he's going to push his way right into the jury.
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I was fooled into thinking Dr. Mike had a plan - a real plan - when he told Joe to trust him and go with it then started his more than slightly incomprehensible speech I thought he was putting the target on Joe's back to get everyone to vote for him then he plays the idol for Joe and he and Joe vote out whoever they want. Nope, he wastes the idol on himself even though the odds of him getting majority votes were low. Worse he risks the re-burial of the idol and if the powers that be do put it back into play and it means we have to risk watching Joe find it and gloat about so it I just might make my own idol to through at the TV.
I'm gonna take this back to something Dr. Mike (I believe) said after said after the merge -- which is that he had made the mistake of strategizeing as if he were the only player. That seems like something that happens to a lot of people on Survivor, but especially to people who maneuver into a powerful position and manage to hold it for a while. I think that's what's going on with Ben -- he's clear-sighted as far as the order of eliminations that leaves him in the most secure position, but he's losing sight of the reality that other people don't make their decisions based on what's best for his game. Even if you ultimately want to be the one who calls the shots in your alliance (which, in general, I think you do), you can't make it look like that's what you're doing -- you have to have patience to listen to people say stuff you think is wrong and counterproductive. You may even have to do a vote that's a little bit wrong or counterproductive in order to keep the alliance together, sometimes.
As far as Dr. Mike playing his idol, all I've been able to guess is that he just went into panic mode and literally did every single thing he could possibly do to not get voted off, all at once, with no regard for whether any of those things were redundant. He voted with the majority alliance for Cole, he told the majority alliance to vote for Joe, he surprised everyone at tribal council to confuse the vote, and he played an idol for himself. It's the Select All strategy. And it was all unnecessary because he wasn't the one going home and now he's in a worse position than he began from.
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Whoa. I realize Chrissy wasn't hurt, but I thought the rules against assault or whatever would mean Cole can't just run up and tackle/shove her because he thinks she's looking for an idol.
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This whole mission was confusing, but the part that confused me most was where the redshirts came from. I seriously never even knew they were there until they got killed. Otherwise, this felt very much like a video game to me -- wander around the designated area until you find the thing you're questing for. Exploit a glitch where the enemies can't attack you if you stand in a certain place and then let your party rest and recover. Two of your guys randomly have fire powers and you can't use them to stay warm because that's not their intended function. You can't attack the main guy, just because. You have to defend from the horde for a certain amount of time and then there's a cutscene to advance the plot.
On 8/21/2017 at 6:21 AM, Daisy said:Also why can't Dany have babies? Like she keeps saying she can't, but how does she know she can't? I'm pretty sure something like that would have been seen on screen, yah?
I've always been a little bit iffy on whether she's saying she won't have children after what happened to her last time, or she can't have children, but I think both are possible. I mean, a witch put a spell on her uterus to turn her last kid into a monster while she was giving birth. That's got to mess stuff up.
On 8/21/2017 at 0:48 PM, phoenix780 said:I interpreted Sansa sending Brienne away differently. I don't think Sansa is thrilled that Brienne is charged with protecting both Stark girls, and with Brienne away there's no chance she can intercede to protect Arya if Sansa has to take her out. Whatever's going on I hope they resolve it relatively soon, or make it more interesting.
Same. I feel like I need a chart to figure out who's play who at Winterfell. Littlefinger wanted Arya to see the note that Sansa wrote and wanted her to think that Sansa was trying to hide it. It also seems like he wanted Sansa to send Brienne away so she could make a move against Arya, but didn't want to make it look like that's what he was doing -- I get that from the way he kept saying Lady Brienne was sworn to both of them and would have to intercede if one tried to betray the other. I also think there's a possibility that he faked the letter from King's Landing (like, why would Cersei need Sansa to be there if Jon is already coming? Why would Cersei even care?).
Sansa, I think, wants to make a move against Arya and is taking Littlefinger's advice -- and I don't think she's necessarily fooled about it; it's possible she got his intended message and just decided to go along with it because he wants her on the throne and she wants it too.
Arya is the one I don't know WTF to think about except that she's all creepy now. It kind of makes sense to me that she is this way, since she hated Sansa in season one and hasn't seen her since. On the one hand, I want to say she should be clever enough to see that Littlefinger is her main problem, here, but, on the other hand, there's always been a division where Arya is more like her dad and Sansa is more like her mom -- one of them is good at political stuff and one's not. It might be a case where Arya's only real skill is killing people, and she doesn't see what Littlefinger's up to. Or she might be trying to trick everyone. Who knows?
Is there any chance the dagger she gave Sansa is the one Littlefinger tried to give to Bran? Because that seems significant if there is. Also, any chance she drags some rando into a coat closet and steals their face so she can spy? She's definitely the wild card in this situation.
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I was into it, and I'm curious about next season.
Forget the question of how Clarke got food and stuff, my first question was how she got that outfit. Was it just hanging around in the bunker? Did she get amazingly good at sewing in the last five years? That's not something you just hack together out of random scraps of cloth.
I think the theories here about the prison ship and stasis make sense... but I was hoping at first it was aliens. :(
22 hours ago, Fireball said:So the burning question will be who did Bellamy hook up with in those 6 years Raven or Echo?
I wondered about this also. Based on the seeds they planted this season, I could honestly see almost anybody eventually ending up with anybody, except for Monty and Harper who went through a whole story arc about how they are meant to be together. The most obvious thing would be for Murphy and Emori to stay together, but I wouldn't be surprised if the show pulls out a plot twist where, five years later, suddenly Raven's with Murphy or something.
21 hours ago, ParadoxLost said:I think that the prison ship will bring an infusion of new characters. They probably picked up Bellamy and the rest of the space cadet but I bet ir wasn't recently. They likely got them from the ark fairly soon after priamfya and now are returning because the five years lapsed.
I really hope this doesn't happen, but it would be an extremely tidy way to jump six years if they just said "The Ark people were in jail the whole time."
12 hours ago, Fireball said:Or maybe Raven, Bellamy, & Echo will just all hook up and then we can avoid anything resembling a love triangle.
I'd be into it. I actually think, if Jasper had lived, this would have been the perfect opportunity to solve the Jasper/Monty/Harper equation that way.
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11 hours ago, mishap said:
I am confused why Sarah gave Cirie the advantage in the first place. Sarah seemed to understand that is was non- transferable, so what good did it do, for Cirie to hold onto it? Even is Sarah was voted out of the game, Cirie could not have used that advantage in the future, right?
Honestly, I think it was one of those instances where someone wants to make a gesture without actually risking anything, and they build it up to be more than it is. So, Sarah convinced herself it was some awesome act of trust to let Cirie hold the advantage for a few hours when really it was meaningless. That's not a very satisfying explanation, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the truth.
5 hours ago, MissBluxom said:Yes. Sarah certainly does seem to be very smart. But, how smart was it for her to give or loan her advantage to Cirie? Did she know for certain that Cirie would give it back to her if and when she asked for it back? My guess is that Cirie could have just refused to return it. What would have happened then? I don't think anyone would have ever forced Cirie to return it to Sarah. I know the advantage could not be transferred. But when Sarah gave it to Cirie and then asked for it back, would Cirie have been forced to return it? If so, who would have forced her? I don't think the situation has ever come up before where one player gave or loaned something to a 2nd player and then asked for it back and the 2nd player refused to return it.
I think that, once Sarah asked to have it back, if Cirie hadn't given to her, that could be considered "stealing" it, which was also not allowed, according to the rules.
4 hours ago, simplyme said:According to Michaela's interview, Sarah told Cirie she was going to give her the steal-a-vote advantage earlier in the day, but she only did so right before TC. So it's less about Cirie's reading comprehension than Sarah not giving her the time to read it.
Michaela also clarifies in that interview that Sarah did know it was nontransferable and said that right away, and when Jeff seemed to be waffling Troyzan made a comment about "nontransferable means nontransferable."
This is interesting. If Jeff was waffling about it, then that better explains to me why production didn't try to explain the rules as soon as this idea came up. Also, if Sarah didn't give the advantage to Cirie until the last minute, they might have held back on saying anything in case it was all a bluff and nothing ever came of it.
In other words, maybe the real problem was that the producers forgot what they wrote in the instructions, and didn't actually know what would happen if Cirie went through with her plan.
This has got me thinking, though. When was the last time somebody gave somebody else an idol -- like, actually handed it to them before tribal council -- as opposed to playing the idol for that person at tribal council? There's a possibility it happens all the time and I just don't remember, but now I wonder if maybe there's a rule that the idol holder has to be the one to play it?
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LOL. I thought this was the season finale, and I was like, "Wow, that was more of a cliff-hanger than usual."
I agree that this has not been one of the stronger seasons, but I'm interested to see where they go with this next year, and I feel like, as people on these boards have predicted, they're gearing up to jump five years in the future (or at least some time in the future, if there's a new emergency before five years is up) and reset everything, which could be interesting.
That's not to say that there was nothing weird about this episode. Like, for instance, everyone was peacefully cooperating with the lottery system until Jaha riled them up, and then Jaha changes his mind and knocks them out with gas, and now the people he pushed into rioting are going to either die without knowing what happened or having a chance to say goodbye, or else wake up outside the bunker. Also, for the people who were cooperating with the lottery and got chosen before Jaha messed everything up for them, do they still get a spot in the bunker even if they aren't on Clarke's list? Do the bunker people know that Clarke's possy of critical people isn't coming back, and do they know not to hold spots for them?
Relatedly, I laughed when Clarke came up with a plan to save "everybody" that really just saved the main characters.
Also, Abby. I'm confused about what Abby's prognosis is, now, but, when she took herself off the list, wouldn't the most compelling argument to keep her be "Abby, you're basically the only doctor besides that guy who assists you sometimes" rather than "Abby, I love you"?
11 hours ago, snapdragon12 said:I have a feeling Clarke will get left behind. Maybe there's not room in the rocket for all of them so she locks everyone else in and stays out, since she has the nightblood. The show can't seem to keep Clarke and Bellamy together in one spot for too long.
I think this is a cool idea. I would be really interested in a flash forward where we have people up on the ship, people down in the bunker, and then Clarke surviving on her own like she did that one time when she dyed her hair with mud.
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It's not satisfying to me to see a plan fall apart because the players don't understand the rules. We don't have the full story for what happened, but it seems like it should have been clear to production that Cirie didn't get what "non-transferable" meant in this context and they could have clarified. On the other hand, it seemed like a much less stupid move for Sarah to make once we knew no one could use the vote except for her.
I'm confused about how the vote ended up being Michaela after that.
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Here is a thought I had: after Bellamy opened the door, could Clarke not just have locked it again?
I'm glad Harper's alive, because I've grown to like her and I was bummed out that she might die. But I agree with the comments above that, the way this is going, she's probably still not on the list of people to save, so that will be awkward. IIRC, she was left off Clarke's original list because she has a genetic disease or something?
Clarke's a night blood now, even though the story's been contrived to keep her out of the rain since she got the treatment. My guess is that she doesn't stay in the bunker, but still survives because the treatment works.
15 hours ago, dippydee said:Also, I'm a little confused, is there any particular reason why Raven can't stay in Becca's lab for the apocalypse? I mean other than the face that she'd be alone for 5 years, an underground super lab seems like it would be protected against radiation. In fact they could send a few other people over there and keep more than 1200 people alive.
I had the same thought, but I think they slipped a conversation into one of the earlier episodes where Murphy said there wasn't enough food for people to stay in the lab.
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I was actually okay with this episode. Octavia has now been an honorary grounder and an improbably skilled warrior for long enough that I accept her as a tribute in the bunker games. At first, I LOL'd at Clarke screwing everyone over, because I thought it was her plan all along, but, after considering it, I think what was supposed to happen is that she honestly did care about humanity up until Roan told her to shove off, at which point she was like, "Fine, if that's how you want to be..."
The bitter irony, of course, is that Roan changed his mind after he'd had more time to think about it and Octavia managed to win the conclave and unite everyone at the end. But, by then it was too late.
It's always been true that Clarke can't stand leaving her fate in anyone else's hands, or letting other people use their own methods to solve a problem if she thinks she knows better. She has to be the leader and, if she's not, she goes around the leaders anyway and gets her own way. And now Octavia, who united the clans, and Cain, who is their actual Chancellor, are locked out of the bunker. And Jaha, who has the same I-Need-Followers personality flaw is Clarke's new best friend.
17 hours ago, nosleepforme said:However, I thought it was ridiculous that all the Grounders suddenly decide to bury the hatchet once Octavia wins and suggest to share the bunker. Yeah, because that has worked so well in the past when Clarke suggested they'd all share the bunker.
I'm okay with this for the story reason that Octavia won the conclave and, since Night Blood isn't a requirement to be the Commander anymore, essentially became their leader. I think point is that she can unite them the way Lexa did -- or maybe better than Lexa did if Ice Nation also follows her. It's a little bit annoying that an outsider became queen of the grounders, but I'm also okay with it for the meta reason that the writers set up an expectation that Clarke would take Lexa's place by gaming the system somehow and then Octavia, who actually respected their customs and followed them, was the one who rose to power.
6 hours ago, AudienceofOne said:Your problem, if I've understood your post correctly, is that Clarke wants everybody to come together only on the terms of her own culture.
I'm not sure if I agree with your assessment but going by some of the points in your post you do have quite a good basis for this analysis. If this were true, then Clarke's attempts to save everybody will never work because she expects them to act like her in the process. Based on this analysis, she and Octavia were always going to come to blows because Octavia has completely adopted Grounder culture. And so that conflict is really a cultural conflict between Skaikru and the Grounders.
Definitely the most interesting thing to me about this episode is the conflict it sets up between Clarke and Octavia and their respective worldviews and ways of interacting with people. I really hope they get some mileage out of this and don't resolve it right away -- and I'm pleasantly surprised by it because I didn't see it coming, but it makes complete sense.
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15 hours ago, nosleepforme said:
I get why some wouldn't want Clark as the commander and it's also somewhat predictable, but I actually do want to have her as the commander, especially since it would change the status quo of the show a little bit. Sure, there would probably still be shifting alliances and backstabbing, but at least it would change the outsider status of Skaikru. So I was screaming with anticipation when the ceremony began, only to be let down.
I have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, from a pure writing point of view, I kind of like that they defied our expectations by immediately removing the idea that Clarke would be the Commander. On the other hand, I would have liked for her to be reunited with Lexa's spirit again, and I would have been interested to see how she changed once she had the chip in her brain.
Also, just because we keep noting when The 100 imitates another show: the ending of Dollhouse had the main character download some kind of neural imprint of a person she loved who had died and that's how they stayed together, talking to each other in her head. I thought that was weird, but I would have been okay with it as an ending for Lexa and Clarke.
3 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:Raven is now talking to a Invisible Becca, and is planning on launching herself into space and spacewalking one last time, since apparently it is too late to save her brain now. At least her scene with Murphy was nice and well-acted. Again though, I wouldn't be surprised if they find some way to have it all work out for her.
I'm not sure what I think will happen to Raven. Odds are it turns out to be a good thing that she stays behind and does all this rocket prep, because the plot will whip around somehow so that she has a chance to save everybody by going to space. Maybe she'll die in the process or maybe she won't -- I have no idea where this story's headed anymore or what it's about. But I guess there's some symmetry with her getting ready to die and the people at Arkadia getting ready to die? So maybe they all choose to live or something?
This reminds me, though, that I'm suspicious of Becca. There was a very Allie-like moment where, after Raven had that nice moment with Murphy, Becca curtly asked if they could please keep working and it made me wonder what her real angle is.
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15 hours ago, ottoDbusdriver said:
Did Clarke call the Death Wave "primefiya" or something like that ? They actually have a phrase for Death Wave already -- something they only found out about a few days ago in show time.
They've been calling it prime fire (with an accent) for a while -- it's what they called the original nuclear disaster that destroyed humanity, IIRC. What I loved, though, is that the Grounder word for "fight" is apparently "throw down" with an accent. Whenever I decode a new Grounder word, I think about the great continuum of sci-fi languages, with the linguists making High Valyrian for Game of Thrones on one end and the The 100 writers going "use 20th century slang with an accent" on the other.
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The cool thing about tribal council, I guess, is that it's dark and most people aren't looking directly at your face. Kudos to Sarah for at least trying to lie, but the stiff way she was holding her face made it clear she was trying to hide her true feelings. She showed herself to be a good player this episode, though.
I wish I had more context for how Cirie's inspiring balance beam walk happened. From what we saw, it seemed like Jeff pressured her into finishing the challenge so she wouldn't look like a quitter, but I hope that, in real life, she first said something about wanting to finish or feeling bad that she didn't finish or something.
Watching that sequence also taught me something about Michaela. I like her, but I get why her tribemates don't. And it comes down to the thing where they all got super invested in having this embarrassing moment with Cirie and Michaela looked away and didn't engage very much. I would have been really uncomfortable if I were there, and I probably would have wanted to react the same way, but one of the things I've learned as I get older,is that sometimes part of what you have to do to support other people is let them pull you into their embarrassing circle of vulnerability and share that moment with them even if it's really awkward. I don't think she's willing to do that with these people, and that can put distance between you.
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I was so shocked at first that I could not believe what I'd just heard. The only bright spot is that everyone else on the tribe immediately realized that that was not a cool thing for Varner to do and supported Zeke in the moment.
It read to me like they had quite a long conversation about it and Zeke eventually came around to saying, "Look, I knew this could come out, and if it inspires other people watching, then so be it" which I took as him basically saying it was okay to air. I was glad that they showed that because, up until that point, I, too, was a little annoyed that the show included this.
On a different note, I know the format of the show is that the ousted contestant always gives their final confession over the credits while the music is playing, but I'm not sure it was totally appropriate to have Varner cry into his hands and say how sorry was in that exact moment. I do believe he's sorry, and I'm interested to hear what he'll have to say at the reunion show, but holy shit that was an awful thing to do.
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11 hours ago, seasick said:
Sandra' s "well I know I'm not going home" at TC.. = (broadcasted) "I have an idol" so-- look elsewhere". At first I thought "ohh you so cocky girl..dont' push it. But now get it. Yet I don't recall the other tribe blink an eye at that possibility.. IIRC. So I'm assuming she was not in their plan.
I'm not linking Sandra as much this season as I have in the past -- it was easy to cheer for her on HvV when she was constantly fighting to stay in the game, but here, when things are always going her way, she seems like a sore winner. That said, my read on her behaviour at this tribal council was the same as above -- I think she was trying really hard to make the other tribe think they were confident so they wouldn't start probing for a weakness. That all went out the window pretty quick, and it's not a super nuanced strategy to begin with, but it's not a bad idea either.
5 hours ago, seasick said:I will say-I feel your pain. There is luck needed in this game--no doubt. Lucky if your tribe keeps winning IC's .( Bad game-play if your tribe hates you and throws the challenge to get rid of you) Lucky if a tribe switch leaves you in a majority. Unlucky if you draw the odd rock--but I don't mind drawing rocks in the traditional rules. I LOVE the fire-making challenge for tie-breakers.
But I agree that too many twists for random pitfalls makes the game too much about luck. I don't find this twist as offensive in a retread setting because they all are--to some extent- familiar with each other. But with a fresh cast--no. .
One of the things that's interesting about this discussion is how people have different ideas about how much luck normally is or should be involved in Survivor. I think there's normally a great deal of luck involved, but I agree that, at a certain point, the strategic aspect of the game becomes meaningless if the playing field constantly changes. Then, you're just watching people scramble to react. The opposite is also true -- if the game's too predictable then, this many seasons in, people have found the optimal strategies to play and it's just a matter of who doesn't make a mistake -- which is boring to me.
As a viewer, I like that this twist shook things up -- as a player trying to win the grand prize, it would frustrate me.
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Of all the things that happened this episode, the one I had the hardest time believing was that Octavia slept all night with a high ponytail.
Also, am I completely psychotic, or did Emori refer to good cooking as "good Ramsay"?
23 hours ago, dippydee said:Poor Kane, nobody wants to hear his sage advice this week. I'm glad he had a little moment with Abby though. At least someone appreciates him.
One of my favourite moments was when he tried to be a father figure to Bellamy and Bellamy was like
"You're not my dad!""You floated my mom!"I'm a little bit worried for Kane, though. First we had that scene where he and Abby talked about her dead husband, and now he's giving her a mid-season peptalk about how she has to be willing to make a sacrifice to save the group -- given that Abby's last partner died in part because she was willing to sacrifice him to save the group, I have concerns. Be safe, Marcus.
11 hours ago, taragel said:All I could think all episode was of someone's comment here that they should all go live in Becca's enormous lab that easily withstood the previous apocalypse. Seriously. Build an underground tunnel between that place and her mansion, board up the windows, and you are golden, people.
I get that there are other concerns about food, water and medical supplies that make hiding out a bad option in the long term, but, even right now, while the acid rain is pouring on them -- yeah, couldn't they camp out in the mansion instead?
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I loved the shocking twist for once, firstly because nobody knew WTF to do and it disrupted their normal voting strategies, and secondly because this was a really smart time for the producers to do it -- when they had a cast of returning players who had come back (allegedly) because they were good at understanding how to play the game. Imagine if you did this with a cast of first-timers or half a tribe full of people who don't know which way's up during a regular vote.
There are some things I don't understand about what happened at tribal, and what some people were trying to do, but it was refreshingly different.
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Daario has it wrong. Dany isn't a conqueror -- she's a motivational speaker. It is her only passion in life.
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Wait, so, if they had put the flame in Ontari like she wanted right at the start, then Ontari would have known how to kill the AI, and, when she swallowed the chip, she would have gone to the city of light and done it and none of the rest of this stuff had to happen?
I agree with everything in Alex's review. I'll add that I think part of the problem this season is that so much of the action was propelled by characters making poor-to-fair decisions based on bad information -- as opposed to last season, where, at least some of the time, the action was propelled by characters making surprising decisions based on good information. Especially in the second half of the season, it felt like everything that happened was just a plot device designed to explain why none of the obvious solutions to anyone's problems would work.
Thematically, it also would have made a lot more sense if Jasper had been the one faced with the final decision of whether or not to pull the kill switch and force everyone to live a pointless existence full of pain, because that's what he's been struggling with all season, and it would demonstrate growth if he arrived at the decision that it was better to live honestly with pain or whatever. Even with Jasper absent from the throne room this episode, I thought ti would have made a lot more sense for someone other than Clarke to take the flame, since that would leave two people with medical training in the room to monitor what was going on -- which turned out to be a two-person job anyway. And why did they need Murphy to do the ceremony?
This story is so messed-up.
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On 2016-05-13 at 4:20 AM, Nay said:Don't think Roans fate is totally sealed, he wasn't dead when they picked him up so I think that one could be an 'actor availablity, where the season 4 story takes us' decision the powers that be make over the filming break.
Me, too. I think he's still alive.
On 2016-05-13 at 4:24 AM, thuganomics85 said:That said, damn, credit to Clarke for not only not budging with mere torture, but even willing to let Abbie die, in order to protect everyone else. Alie really doesn't know her that well, because that is Clarke. At least I hope so. I really did worry they were going to kidnap Bellamy and do it with him instead, and have her break, so thank you show for not destroying her character like that.
The forums crashed before I could say this a couple weeks ago, but when they had Kane on the cross, I was thinking, "Okay, they tortured him first so that he wouldn't be in his right mind and realize that Abby would rather die than see the whole human race take the chip." As hard as it was for Clarke, I think she could rest assured that, ultimately, Abby wouldn't have wanted her to throw away the only chance of defeating ALIE just to save her life.
On 2016-05-13 at 3:47 PM, kdm07 said:Quoting myself to add: the second half of this season could've been achieved in 1 or 2 episodes to be completely honest. That's how much actually happened in all of these episodes apart from the ridiculous to and fros and the filler stuff.
I had that thought as well. Specifically when they doubled down on the plan to chip Ontari. I was like, "The whole last set of episodes only happened because you were completely sure you'd all be doomed if Ontari got the chip... now it's fine for Ontari to have the chip?" Luna seemed like an awesome character and I hope she comes back somehow, but that story line was a big waste of time.
S02.E12: Chapter Twenty-Five: The Wicked and the Divine
in Riverdale
It's hard for me to even sift through my thoughts and figure out what my biggest question is, but I'll try: Why does the fact that Tall Boy betrayed everyone mean no one cares that Jughead betrayed Snake Charmer?
I have other questions, too. Like:
Speaking of Mr. Lodge... that whole sequence felt like a choice in a Telltale game. Do you tell Mr. Lodge someone's going to betray him? Do you tell the FBI that you told Mr. Lodge? Mr. Lodge is pleased with you. The FBI is disappointed.
I feel like this episode was confused between a bat mizvah, a quinceañera, a confirmation, and an open mic night. My favorite detail is how specific Veronica was when she said, "Do you know 'Bittersweet Symphony' from the movie Cruel Intentions?" Was it a roundabout way of saying Josie would get her comeuppance or was it a plug for the movie Cruel Intentions? Who knows!
I legitimately forget this -- is Hal supposed to be this cam kid's father?