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Fired up the reruns. It was in episode 2 when the pardon was first announced:
After the flash challenge, they all assembled in the big room to announce the elimination tattoo, the Compass Rose. Dave first informed them that there would be a Jury of Peers this season, formed by the team with the tattoo of the day plus one other team of their choice. Then they went over the Compass Rose challenge. Nunez gave some advice on fundamentals.
Then, Dave said: "There is one more thing that you should know. For the first time ever (cut over to the peanut gallery where Jason says "that's scary..." and Patrick agrees) each judge will have the power to pardon one artist, saving them from elimination. If an artist receives a pardon, they will immediately re-enter the competition."
Nunez then said: "Many seasons past, we've seen people leave on a technicality. We now have the power to show up and stop that elimination while you're packing your gear."
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1 hour ago, Sile said:
@Charlesman, so they announced it to the teams or just in the voiceover? Did they say that each judge got one or just one overall? (I generally ff through the previews and don't pay attention to all of the beginning blather until they announce the day's ask.
If they know about the pardon, I guess that was why Jason was so gracious about being eliminated. He probably figured that he'd get saved.
Both times I remember hearing it, in the first episode of this season, and in the episode before this one, I feel it was part of Dave's spiel about what the season was about before the first flash challenge. Like: "You can win a hundred thousand dollars, a feature in Inked magazine, plus, the title of 'Ink Master'. And this season, there's a twist: each judge will be able to pardon one player from elimination if he thinks that person deserves another shot."
I am not sure if it was in any prior episodes, as I also FF through all the trash talk in the dorms and only stop when the challenge is introduced. And I hate that every episode they explain what they're playing for and have those stupid reaction shots from the contestants acting like they've never heard that before. It's like when ESPN kept explaining the rules of poker a dozen episodes into the WSOP. Probst doesn't mention the Sole Survivor prize before every Reward Challenge, but, for whatever reason, thirteen years into it, this show thinks we're all idiots.
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On 2/18/2020 at 8:06 PM, boochay8888 said:
Am I crazy? Did they announce this “pardon” at the beginning of the season? What a fricken cop out!!! Ugh!
They announced it in the first episode.
There was a reminder in last week's episode, which caught me by surprise when Jordan was really, really eliminated and not saved, since I figured planting it early in the episode (when they go over the deadly boring '"and a feature in Inked magazine" and everyone reacts like it's the first time they're hearing' it part) meant it would finally be used. Like on a drama TV show when some random scene from seven episodes ago shows up on the "previously on" so you know it'll be brought up again.
So I wasn't caught off guard this week when it finally got used.
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10 hours ago, marina707 said:
That's a good point. I don't have kids and don't want them, but I don't think they're necessary to still be interested in humanity and seeing how things are going on earth. Like you mentioned, were war/famine/racism ever eradicated? Were the effects of climate change somehow reversed? Did they ever find a cure for cancer and all the other diseases? What kind of energy do people use now? How has government evolved? What systems of commerce do various countries run on? What do people look like now? What kinds of animals are there? What were the effects of automation? How has technology progressed? How have different countries' cultures evolved with globalization? Has humanity colonized other planets? Is there time travel? Who knows, maybe after some time, humans have invented a way to travel to the afterlife and back? (I read a book once based on the theory that the afterlife is actually just another dimension that exists alongside our own and that when people die their consciousness just travels to this other dimension...I don't necessarily find it particularly likely, but still find it interesting.) Not to mention being able to travel to any place and period in time and watch literally anything that's ever happened. The idea of getting bored when you can experience literally anything possible is just unfathomable to me.
Thanks. I can't help but imagine scenarios and keep having trouble with the decision presented. Like, every time some new people get into the Good Place, they don't seem to care about meeting them? "A whole bunch of new people just showed up. Ghandi, the first guy to walk on Mars, some guy who figured out how to let us talk to dogs and cats, Elon Musk, the first female president of the planetary federation government, the doctor that cured all cancer, and the first post-modern human to get in who was born after the year 100,000AD when we all have clear skulls, four arms, and can see infrared and hear sunshine. Wanna go meet them and talk to them about their lives and experiences?" "Well, honestly, since I just finished reading all of the Jason Bourne novels, I think I'm just gonna peace out."
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Another thing that's been nagging me about the finale;
I get why Lisa Kudrow et. al would be so bored with the stale Good Place, seeing as no one new had entered in millennia. But once the doors opened up thanks to Team Cockroach, wasn't the novelty of new people worth something? Shouldn't that keep things interesting for as long as new people keep getting in?
And for Team Cockroach, after fighting Judge Gen so hard to not reboot the universe, after they win, they... just didn't care to see what happens with humanity? There was no desire to hang out for tens of thousands of years just to see what the humans got up to? If we ever invent time travel or spaceships that leave the solar system? If we ever solve war, famine or racism? No care at all? No desire to hang around and see if their system continues to work once morality on Earth changes? No interest in seeing where evolution takes the species?
Maybe it's because no one on Team Cockroach had children. I'm surprised Schur didn't consider seeing he has kids... what it would be like to watch all your descendants and what becomes of the world they left behind. (I'm reminded of what Spielberg said about the ending of "Close Encounters", having Richard Dreyfuss leave his family to board the UFO came from childless Speilberg. Once he had kids, he regretted that ending, since he couldn't believe he'd make that choice.)
I would get it, once we reach the Eventual Heat Death of the Universe (and the end of Maximum Derek!), and there were no more people to save, yeah, maybe things get boring after a few dozen thousand bearimys of that. (If you even buy into bearimys, but since Time is a dimension of this physical universe and doesn't necessarily even exist in the afterlife, I'm having a conflict over exactly what that is... my personal beliefs on that are different than the show's, in some ways.)
But my curiosity to see if we ever make Star Trek the Next Generation real would keep me hanging on for much longer than Team Cockroach seemed to care about what they left behind and worked so hard to save.
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22 hours ago, ByTor said:
I've been meh on the last 2 seasons, but I'm a "finish what I started" type and was looking forward to the finale. Now that I've seen it, I wish I hadn't. It left me feeling down & quite honestly disturbed. Not what I want in a sit-com.
I feel this. The first couple of seasons were a wild, rollicking funny ride. Hilarious jokes, and stuff I couldn't believe they'd say on TV. And then that style of humor just disappeared. It went from "smart funny" to "see how smart I am" pretty quickly.
1 hour ago, 853fisher said:I have found the show less funny when I needed its humor more than ever, and the way the timeline has been turn about changed the ratio of showing to telling in a way that made it hard for the episodes to keep my focus, even as I remained invested in the characters. It felt to me like too much payoff for events we did not see, and I never minded because the exposition never felt heavy-handed, but now I feel a little disappointed by the finale’s relative lack of impact on me. I think things could have been approached differently there.
1 hour ago, Snapdragon said:I found the ending...serviceable? It tied up all the loose ends, made enough sense but overall I just found it to be sad. The entire series, they're working towards being better people and getting to the Good Place and they finally achieve that and it's just not that great? Really? I just didn't find it satisfying, especially because we never really got to see these characters be happy. There were fleeting moments of joy throughout the series, but they were always followed by threats of impending doom or torture. No one ever got to just breath and enjoy their happiness and when they finally did get to a place where they could, the show skips over those years completely and just fast forwards us to when they're all so bored with their existence that they'd rather not exist at all. Not a great payoff, in my opinion.
11 minutes ago, possibilities said:I agree with everyone who says they rushed through the Good Place part of the series, after lingering a long time on the test subjects and other phases of the show. THat probably does contribute to many people finding the ending unsatisfying.
Agree with these also. Well said.
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There's a video on the website where Arlene tries to claim the knife wasn't backwards. She's deep in denial.
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I guess I'm going to land on "it was a good episode of television, and a good few episodes in a below-average season for this show".
But I hooked a friend on this show, someone who struggles with depression, and that friend really enjoyed this show and these characters, and I'm going to have to give that friend a healthy warning before watching this episode. Maybe save it for an up day. Because I don't necessarily agree with the finale's philosophy. It's certainly not in line with my thoughts. So I'll appreciate it's craft and how well it was written and performed, but, maybe not give this ending much consideration.
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8 hours ago, Princess Sparkle said:
Ok, I must admit - I have multiple tattoos, but I have no idea what makes skin better or worse for tattooing. Is there some skin thats really better than others? Because more so than normal, we heard a lot of "The skin is too soft", "The skin is causing blowouts", "I can't work with this". Was that all just excuses (which is what I'm guessing)
I don't know either, but, I don't know if we've ever seen the artists who go up to ask what people want before they assign skulls also ask to see their existing tattoos and see who is prone to blowouts. Seems they just go by what they want to draw most. I know we've seen them ask "how long have you sat for" and "how many tattoos do you have already" to avoid those who will tap out early or aren't going to be able to hold up to the pain, but, I don't remember seeing "lemme see what your skin can hold" as one of the questions.
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On 1/15/2020 at 2:07 AM, aussieinsydney said:
Can we PLEASE get a female judge on the panel??
YES PLEASE!!!
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On 2/9/2019 at 4:28 PM, MisterGlass said:
There were several references to video games, including to Nadia's somewhat meta game about a lone female protagonist, and game Easter eggs. On some level I think the decay in the loop and disappearance of objects is the game life counter for Alan and Nadia. They have a certain number of stored lives, until they unlock the opportunity to go back to the first night where they went wrong.
I would add a meta-Easter Egg that a video game is how Christopher McQuarrie got the idea for the time-loop movie Edge of Tomorrow. He apparently played the same level of a video game over and over so many times, learning where each trap was and where every bullet was coming from, that eventually he got through it perfectly thanks to the knowledge of all the previous attempts (something that wouldn't actually work for someone doing that for real). I remember doing the same thing trying to beat the best times for levels of the game GoldenEye. Thinking about that inspired McQuarrie to write EoT, and we watched Alan attempting the same thing playing Nadia's video game in the show, but neither of them could ever get past the last trap.
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Watching the artists "sketch" their tattoos in the last episode got me thinking... does anyone know what devices they use? And what programs? I just kind of assumed some kind of iPad running Gimp or Photoshop, but that doesn't seem quite right.
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While no one could ever replace Mel and Sue, the Sandi/Noel combo did grow on me.
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I'm five months behind and just catching up, so I know I'm super late with this comment, but, how did the producers resist the temptation to call the corn search challenge the "maize maze"?
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On 1/8/2020 at 9:34 PM, rhys said:
Someone told me they thought David looked a bit like Adolph H especially with his bad, old hair cut. Damn, now I cannot unsee that!
NO! David doesn't look like Adolph. He looks like Donitz!!
(great sketch from his old show if you've never seen it!)
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Would have been great to see Jason go. I wish when they gave Angel the win, she'd said "Thanks, I just didn't want to do some mid-level tattoo" and then repeated it when the 12th pick got in too.... "Shouldn't have started off with some mid tattoo".
Also, interesting that no one has a dumb name this year. Or at least the show isn't using them any more. I'm not having to watch a Skullman or Dirty Boot Six or Demon Bill or anything. I mean, I respect his talent, but I felt like an idiot half the time I had to type out stuff like "That drawing looked really good that Sausage did."
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On 1/1/2020 at 5:30 PM, janeyjay said:
I've been watching the marathon on/off all day. Not sure how I missed watching this on the regular when it was first aired -- but I'm really enjoying it now. LOTS of legitimate laughs.
This show was great. Criminally under-rated at the time, and NBC did it no favors in scheduling. Still, a great show to find in re-runs and watch all the way through.
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I love this show. I catch them all on Youtube. I'll watch new ones as soon as they air, then follow the youtube recommendation rabbit hole for old ones as well.
Mel's snog with another panelist, Kevin's horse, Claudia and the turtle, and Lee not going to the Royal Wedding because he had to do the show are among the best bits I've ever seen.
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I think she got the powers.
This was her origin story.
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14 hours ago, ottoDbusdriver said:
I'm also intrigued by HOW Lady Trieu knew that something would be crashing on the Clark's farm.
Yes! With enough warning to 1) identify what it is and know it's valuable, 2) project exactly when and where on Earth it will land, 3) identify the property owners, 4) find their weakness, 5) get their DNA, 6) clone a baby and grow it to that size (though Veidt's machine seems to indicate once you have a fetus the rest can go pretty fast).
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4 hours ago, HurricaneVal said:
and they'll be forced to vote Jeff off!
Tried in season 1, if you can believe it. Nutso coconut-phone guy cast his vote for Probst, and they had to re-do it.
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This show is so good! Every time you think it's gonna zig, it zags. Last week people were wondering why no one thought they were in the bad place, or in an experiment (even Jason figured it out once!) and sure enough, this week they do! And they reached the end of the experiment halfway through the season. Of course I thought it would last until the end, but it's here already.
Such a ride on this show!
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6 hours ago, Bryce Lynch said:
While Jamal irritates me, and his dismissing Kellee from fire building
I really hope this sequence was foreshadowing the final-four challenge and she beats him again at fire starting. I hope every episode starts with him wasting 2 hours, not being able to do it, not letting anyone else even try, then, huffing and stepping aside for Kellee and she does it in 2 minutes. Then at final four she just crushes him.
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S13.E09: Artistry on the Line
in Ink Master
Claiming you have artistry just because you've tattooed "artistry" on the side of your face is like claiming you have class because you spray-painted the word "class" on the side of your Winnebago.