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3 hours ago, ifionlyknew said:
This is true. Even when a cohost publicly proclaimed her political affiliation as Star did you still didn't know which side of an issue she would be on.
I blame Bill Geddie for the political polarization of the View. He had Elisabeth Hasselbeck regurgitating right wing talking points daily.
When Rosie O'Donnell joined the show in 2006-07, and had a say in what the Hot Topics would be each day, is when the show turned it's focus to political issues - and the ratings soared into another stratosphere. Rosie said at the time she wanted each cohost - herself, Joy and Hasslebeck at the time - to be vocal of their opinions, and political beliefs, and they were. No more being 'subtle' as they were from 1997-2006. Rosie wanted audiences to know which side of the issue a host was on. And the audience responded to ABC's delight.
After she left and Goldberg took over, they continued the format until 2013-14, when they brought in Jenny McCarthy with Sherrie Shepherd (and let go of Behar and Hasslebeck) and switched focus to 'pop fluff', competing with 'The Talk'. Goldberg checked out for that season - she had no interest in daily talk about Kardashians, Justin Bieber, Real Housewives, Brittney Spears, etc. The ratings that season went into a free-fall, as no one was tuning in any longer (including me). As we know, ABC got rid of McCarthy and Shepherd at the end of the season and had to try to save the show.
Once Rosie came back in 2014, she said upfront the show was going to return to focus on political issues - no 'real house wives' and 'celebrity gossip'. Again, the ratings went up the first few weeks, but when Rosie held back in discussions (she admits her doctors told her not to get 'whipped up' on the show like she used to) , ratings tumbled again. Adding the likes of Candace, Michelle Collins, Paula, Jed and Raven over the years didn't help.
The show didn't get back on track until Meghan joined in 2017. Like Rosie in 2006, the panel had loud voices - there was no skirting around the issues. Everyone voiced their opinions on where they stood on hot-button issues. There was fighting, there was tension - there were skyrocketing ratings once again.
So yes, the show has evolved since their early days and Producers know what their audience wants to see.
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Just now, tinkerbell said:
I am confused. Is it your opinion , or that of the producers?
My observation. Do some channel surfing to different talk shows and you will see what I mean. Good luck!
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3 hours ago, tinkerbell said:
Wow, are there only two kinds of discussions women can have? Either political or or "Kardashian?" because I talk to women all the time, and I am capable of having conversations that are neither.
Daytime TV talk show producers seem to think so. 'The Talk', 'Wendy Williams', etc. talk mostly Kardashians on their shows. 'The View' talks mostly politics.
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1 hour ago, tinkerbell said:
I disagree that they have to represent every part of the political spectrum. I hate that the show has contributed to the binary view of every single news item.
Though the show has recently done extensive coverage of political issues, I disagree with the premise that it is a show for political discussion ONLY. I hope they go back to the original premise - women from different age groups, ethnic backgrounds, and experiences, talking about issues that concern women. There are a lot of issues that cannot and should not be reduced to conservative viewpoint vs liberal viewpoint. Women can have their own OPINIONS on topics that don't reflect the political party they last voted for.
That original programming blueprint is now outdated. That's the blueprint Walters presented to the network when she first wanted this project to get going in the mid-90s, and when it premiered in 1997. By the time 'The Talk' premiered in 2010 with that same blueprint, it was already out-dated. 'The Talk' then had to switch gears a few months later, and focus on 'Entertainment Tonight' type of Hollywood gossip.
25 seasons later the show has evolved and realized their audience is made up of both men and women, and was named 'the most important political show on television' a few years ago. They have concluded a long time ago that political issues 'concern women' just as much as they 'concern men', and women are tuning in to watch their political discussions, not Kardashian discussions - they have 'The Talk' for that.
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4 hours ago, ifionlyknew said:
Sara doesn't have a degree in journalism. She has a degree in government. If ABC did offer Meghan a job as a news contributor shame on them. Meghan has put forth so much disinformation she can't be trusted to tell us the time.
In her media bios she has "journalist" listed as her profession throughout the internet. She shouldn't have that if she doesn't have a degree in journalism. Very misleading.
In any event, she was not offered a job with ABC News, but Meghan was - just to keep her in her seat on the panel.
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3 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:
I'm not convinced this is true, mainly because I don't see MM being content to stay home with her child. I'll be very interested to see what her next move is going to be. Somehow I don't think it's going to be staying out of the spotlight.
If she isn't content staying at home with her child, then she would've taken this offer. I'm not sure what you're doubting.
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1 minute ago, WinnieWinkle said:
If this is true I've just lost all respect for ABC.
This must go up Sunny's rear a mile. To think how - earlier this year - she publicly said how she has been 'mistreated' by ABC (she apparently included this in her memoir) and here's Meghan who wants to leave, and the network can't do enough to keep her where she is. They even offer her a role on their shining crown 'ABC News'.
I honestly feel bad for Sara, too. This is quite a slap in the face to Sara - who has her degree in journalism - not to offer her a plum role on ABC NEWS with plenty of exposure, but instead bounce her around to different shows with less exposure. McCain (with no journalism background at all) gets offered ABC News, and Sara doesn't ? I guess they don't consider her a serious journalist.
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Here's what FORBES has reported on her leaving. I bolded the part which I've been saying all along for the past few seasons - she's ratings gold to the network.
Of course, these verbal spats bring attention to The View. ABC reportedly tried desperately to keep McCain onboard, who still has two years left on her contract. But it to no avail.
“They even offered a contributor role on ABC News, which she tuned down,” said a source reported on by The Daily Mail. “She’s just had enough. She doesn’t need it anymore — she really doesn’t need it.”
I've been saying all along ABC would never fire her - the advertisers love the commotion she brings to the show because it brings viewers, which in turn brings advertisers, which in turn brings money - lots of money. Despite so many forum members here who have decided not to watch as long as she's part of the show, ABC really doesn't care. They have the #1 talk show and she's a big part of it.
Notice they even offered her a contributor role on ABC News just to stay put on the panel - and she turned it down ? That's certain;y not an offer a network brings to the talent they want to fire.
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2 hours ago, falltime said:
I don't know how long they have done it but the had the first week off of July in 2020 and 2019.
Thanks for that ! I always thought they returned after the Fourth and continued for the next few weeks before breaking at the beginning of August.
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2 hours ago, WinnieWinkle said:
And even though she comes from a political family she does not have to remind you of it in every conversation!
I don't think she was fired but I do think she was very much encouraged to leave.
According to FORBES, ABC tried to keep her where she is, at least for the remainder of her contract (another two years). Maybe she was 'encouraged' but it certainly wasn't from the network.
"We have tried to keep her, but she is adamant that now is the right time for her to leave," an ABC source reportedly told the Daily Mail.
ABC reportedly tried desperately to keep McCain onboard, who still has two years left on her contract. But it to no avail.
“They even offered a contributor role on ABC News, which she tuned down,” said a source reported on by The Daily Mail. “She’s just had enough. She doesn’t need it anymore — she really doesn’t need it.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcberman1/2021/07/01/meghan-mccain-announces-exit-from-abcs-the-view/
Not only did they want her to stay, they even offered her to contribute to ABC News in addition to her hosting duties. She refused. Doesn't sound like she was being encouraged to leave by the top brass at ABC - and that's all that matters is who the top brass at ABC wants on their network.
By the way, the show averaged just under 3 M viewers in the first quarter of 2021. That's a huge number for a daytime TV talk show. In contrast, CBS' "The Talk" wasn't even hitting a million viewers.
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For the record, someone Tweeted that Wendy spread 'misinformation' on Friday, and that Sara Haines is NOT leaving 'The View' at the end of this season.
In return, Haines "liked" this Tweet and re-tweeted on her page. What's odd is that Haines didn't Tweet her own words - didn't say 'this is not true' or anything of the sort. Just 'liked' someone else's Tweet.
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On 7/1/2021 at 10:29 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:
Why are those actors leaving?!
Actress Cush Jumbo said she was leaving in early 2020, claiming she wanted to 'explore' other acting projects. She's done two crime thrillers so far: 'The Beast Must Die' and 'Stay Close'.
Actor Delroy Lindo said he was leaving the show around the same time, after being offered the lead role of 'Harlem's Kitchen', a pilot sold to ABC. Unfortunately for Lindo, the pilot was not ordered to a full series from ABC for the upcoming season. So far, he's starred in the period film 'The Harder They Fall' which will be released this year.
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On 7/1/2021 at 4:13 PM, GHScorpiosRule said:
I know someone here said this day would never happen because...ratings. HAH!
That was me - and what I correctly said was 'ABC would never fire Meghan because of ratings'.
And they didn't. She has decided to leave on her own - she was not fired from the show.
HAH! HAH!
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On 7/2/2021 at 7:33 PM, RealHousewife said:
I'm a Sara fan, but if she does leave, the good thing is there would be room for a progressive. For too long the show has been four conservative democrats plus Meghan. .
You consider Joy Behar a 'conservative democrat' ? Joy couldn't be a more progressive liberal (as she has said time and time again), as there is nothing conservative in her views. Whoopi is the same, though as moderator she does try to be a bit gentler in her opinions (whereas Joy lets it all out - especially countering MeAgain).
Sunny is a conservative liberal, and as she has said in the past - it's her devotion to Catholicism which has made her side with conservatism on different Democratic policies.
Sara - I can't tell. I honestly don't know whether she knows if she's conservative or liberal at this point, since all her talking points are not organic, but written and rehearsed for her.
They do need two conservative voices on the panel. Maybe SE Cupp for one seat?
If they go with another liberal, the one person I'd love to see take the seat is Chelsea Clinton. She has proven - as a guest on the show - she is poised, smart, and interesting.
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I'm surprised the show is going on vacation next week, when they only have a few weeks left of the season and then they're off the month of August and (usually) first week of September. I don't think they've ever done it this way before - they're usually off for the holiday weekend, but never the whole week in July.
I wonder if Sara will announce her leaving when they get back ? I'm certain she will blame it on her hosting the game show and 'wanting to spend more time with her family'.
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4 hours ago, Tammy12 said:
I really like Sara and hope that rumor of her leaving is just a rumor. Her recent likes on Twitter seem to hint at such:
Wonder why Sara didn't set the record straight herself on Twitter and say it wasn't true, rather than 'like' someone else's tweet ? That doesn't make sense. If it weren't true, wouldn't she say this herself ?
I have a feeling she may be upset Wendy took her thunder away. We shall soon see...
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8 hours ago, TheGreenKnight said:
I watched Wendy's re-run last night, and I don't agree with your summation... She didn't say anything of the kind, imo? All she said is that as long as Joy and Whoopi are there, the show will continue on no matter who stays or goes. In fact, she complimented Sunny at great length from what I saw....
I stand corrected - she did say she liked Sunny a lot. But she said there are a lot of girls who have her (Sunny) spirit with that law degree and her knowledge - same with Meghan and Sara and they can all be replaced.
As for Sara's exit, she said it's been announced - I'm assuming she meant to the other cohosts, because this came right after she said MM didn't announce it to the other girls before she went on air on Thursday morning.
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I'll be the odd man out and say how disappointed I was in this episode. I get the idea of what they're trying to say - since January 6, the absurd has taken over reality in our world. The courtroom is the most blatant example, while the most subtle is Baranski's character is a named partner in a top Black firm (which is not lost on their associates). But this storyline with Patinkin really stretches things.
The new character Carmen comes across to me as a blend of Lucca (when she first joined 'The Good Wife' years ago) and the character Moira on 'The Handmaid's Tale'. Seems like the Kings are borrowing heavily from that character of 'Moira', more than Lucca. She's a fine actress, though.
Can the writers give the immensely talented Audra MacDonald anything else to do other than scowl, grimace, and sigh ? And do we need a close-up on her every time she scowls ?
Time will tell where this is going. Episode 1 seemed so promising, while Episode 2 is discouraging (to me).
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Once she's gone, who is going to invoke thy sacred name of John McCain each day ? Will they just start each show off gathered at the table with heads bowed, and say a prayer to John McCain ?
I can see Whoopi now, starting the show off each day.
"Hello, hello, hello and welcome to the View. Before we get started, we'd like to bow heads and say a little prayer to bless this nation..."
All hold hands with heads bowed....
"Meghan's Father,
Who Art in Heaven,
Hallow be John's name..
His Republicans come
Trump Republicans be done..
In Washington
And throughout America."
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Since Sharon Osborne has been fired from 'The Talk' maybe she can take a job at 'The View' ? (Kidding, but I'd love to see her and Behar go at it since they can't stomach each other).
I'd really like to see Jeanine Pirro take McCain's seat. Honestly ! The fireworks on that show every day ? Talk about ratings !
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Wendy didn't hide the fact she's really not a fan of Sara and Sunny and both are easily replaceable.
However, she really likes Whoopi and Joy - she knows they're the backbone of the show right now - and would find them hard to replace. She also said quite nicely, she had to warm up to Meghan the first season, and once she did - she understood what her role was on the panel and respects her for what she does. She may not agree with MM on all the issues, but she believes MM brings an awful lot to the show along with WG and JB - and keeps the show at the top spot. She also likes Ana.
When she announced Sara was leaving the end of this season, she did go to cute Norman, who said he didn't hear that. She assured him it's true - done deal at ABC that Sara is leaving. They were expecting that, but not MM's notice she was leaving, too.
A side note - as for Ana, don't forget she's also employed (part time) at CNN. For her to go to ABC full time and join The View may not be legally permissable right now, and ABC may not want to spend the money to buy her out of her CNN contract. They may wish to keep her PT as a fill-in, and find some new name for the fourth and fifth seats.
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So Wendy decided to drop the news that Sara Haines is leaving 'The View' at the end of this season, while she was covering McCain's announcement. Haines has said nothing about this on the show - so Wendy has stolen her thunder. She acted like everyone knew, and was surprised when Baker didn't know.
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According to Wendy, she didn't inform her cohosts she was leaving until she made the announcement (or it broke in the media the night before). I think she knows her stuff.
Also, if ABC was firing her, Wendy would've said this. Definitely. She would've given the reasons, too.
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According to Wendy Williams today, they have two seats to fill in September.
The View: Week of 6/28/2021
in The View
Do you really think if former hosts Raven, Candace, Paula, Jedediah, Michelle Collins, Nicole Wallace or Rosie Perez was in McCain's seat the show would still be #1 in the daytime ratings?
Do you think any of them could have a worthwhile, interesting political discussion over what was going on over the past four years ?
You may not like MM's approach or personality, but as Joy said on Thursday - she held her own against the others no matter how heated it got. Unlike 'conservatives' Nicole, Candace, Paula and Jed who were all equally passive in their opinions on the panel. They allowed Whoopi and Joy to steamroll right over them and always gave in to the liberal views.
As far as the ratings of when MM returned in January, the reports were that the ratings did go up. There's also the reports regarding MM's leaving that the show had their best first quarter ever this year, which started with MM's return. (The second quarter ended the other day so those haven't been released yet.)