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http://www.tvguide.com/News/Chicago-Boss-Finale-1082110.aspx
TV Guide hints at an "unexpected death --
The death will come as a result of the recent secret meetings between the Intelligent Unit's tech and surveillance expert, Jin (Archie Kao), and Voight's Internal Affairs handler,Sgt. Edwin Stillwell (Ian Bohen).
From that, I'd interpret that perhaps Jin is the one to die?? He's always there, to be sure, and nobody would expect him to die, but then, he's probably the most expendable of the regular PD folks.
Another interesting tidbit --
Although Voight may have his hands full, Lindsay will be able to turn to someone else from the team for help. "She leans on Halstead. ... She does go to him with no options," Olmstead says. "She's not quite sure that's the solution because if [Voight] finds out what the real secret is that this Charlie character possesses, it's curtains for her. So with no options, she goes to Halstead and he finds a way to hopefully get her out of it."
While I'm glad to see Halstead and Lindsay teaming up again, after so many episodes of being rather estranged, I find this interesting from the POV that Lindsay doesn't feel she can go to Voight about whatever it is. That kind of begs the question as to just how horrible IS whatever she's hiding; we know that Voight is privy to all kinds of dirt on her past and still obviously loves and cares for her. Is this a matter of merely Erin thinking this is beyond all that? Or is there really a limit to what Voight is willing to do for her? We saw in the past that there was no limit to what he'd do for Justin, his biological child; until, of course, there WAS a limit. (That didn't seem to mean, however, that Voight no longer loved or cared for Justin, only that there was a limit to how much he'd enable.) What about Erin, who is not his biological child? That hasn't seemed to matter til now, but maybe it can and will.
I'm still not 100% rid of the idea - as out there as it may be, granted - that Travis is actually Erin's son and not Annie's. For one thing, he looks nothing like either Annie or Charlie, but rather strikingly like Erin, e.g. same hair color, same facial features, etc. And for another, his being twelve seems too coincidental. As we know from the high school reunion ep that Erin is 28, that means she was 16 when Travis was born - the same age she was taken into the Voights' home for a "fresh start." Call me crazy, but what better reason would there be for a teenage girl to have a fresh start than having just birthed and given away a baby? We presume that it was just all the other "bad stuff," i.e. Erin's lack of familial support, drugs, and apparently now this Charlie guy being a less than stellar parent (regardless of which woman is the bio mom), but it doesn't automatically rule this out, too.
Well, I guess we'll find out tonight...
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My personal .02 was that perhaps Stillwell just wanted to use Jin, who's got all kinds of techie access AND access to Voight, to get more dirt. To make that possible, he was threatening Jin's father (probably much in the same way that Erin threatened Catalano with planting a kilo in his car). I'm sure that Jin's seen enough in his police life to know that his father could very easily be made to have a "car accident" or be found with damning evidence for some crime, etc. regardless of his innocence and so he's doing everything he can to keep that from happening. Your explanation makes sense, though, too.
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Even more intriguing, I'm wondering how Charlie could have been made to stay out of Illinois?? Was that some kind of official thing, like a restraining order, or perhaps merely Voight-style law-mongering, e.g. him agreeing to turn the other way on pursuing Charlie's various crimes (after all, Erin was his informant at the time, and certainly she'd know what Charlie was doing/had done) in exchange for his getting out of her life?
Also, maybe I didn't understand correctly, but I watched the episode TWICE and both times, I swear that scene where Erin and Charlie were talking in the car, Charlie first said that Voight needed to "leave him alone" or "stay out of his life," something to that effect; and THEN he asked her "whatever happened to Voight? is he dead or in prison by now?" I guess it could be interpreted as Charlie speaking about Voight's messing up his life in the past, but IMO that would be understood more like Voight knowing Charlie was back in Chicago now, and getting in touch with him some way, warning him off....
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The thing that bothers me most about Voight is that he isn't outright bad; he obviously has some morals, and he's shown to care about his family, his allies in the Intelligence Unit, and Chicago. The issue is how hostile he becomes when those things are threatened. To say he's violent against suspects is an understatement; he's gone to excessive lengths against people who he considered a threat to his family (his actions towards Casey in CF, the implications in what happened to that punk kid that Justin was hanging around)
The thing is, to date the suspects we have seen Voight abusing are people who have actually BEEN guilty of whatever they were thought to be. What I'm waiting for - because I'm sure it's bound to happen - is for Voight to turn all that violence and hatred onto someone who he THINKS is guilty, but then finds out actually isn't. What then?
I guess that having him admit to Jay in the bar last week that sometimes he's wrong was at least a tiny step in that direction (or, really, kind of major, since IMO Voight isn't the kind of guy who's quick to admit his shortcomings, especially to an underling). He's just always so incredibly sure that he's right about X, Y or Z -- and then, he goes off the rails and distributes his own vigilante justice. That's the second part of the problem, and to me the real issue. While part of me understands how Voight could get so infuriated by some of these scumbags -- we see it in the news IRL all the time, how utter monsters' trials go on for years, how lawyers get them off on technicalities or "bad childhood" types of excuses, etc. -- imagine a world in which EVERYONE took law and order into their own hands. That's why we HAVE a legal system in the first place. You simply can't have each person dishing out what he or she thinks the person deserves.
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This was a great episode for Jay. I liked that he stuck to his guns and wouldn't let them make the law their own.
Agreed. I liked the scene with him and Voight in the bar. It was small and subtle, but really if you think about it, very important - I'd even go so far as to call it a turning point in their relationship. Not only was it the obvious things, such as Voight both explaining himself AND admitting he was wrong - two things he really never does, especially to an underling - but there were tiny details as well. For instance, Voight called him "Jay" in an earnest way. Prior to that, I don't think he ever called him anything but Halstead except the time he said to Erin sarcastically that she and "Jay" should go out and do whatever (around the time he started busting them for a potential romance).
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IMHO Casey was wrong to have taken Boden's big day as the time to make his own proposal. I know he did it quietly and kind of off to the side, but I'm sure people saw, and I'm sure word spread. Casey had been sitting on wanting to propose for quite some time; there was NO reason it couldn't have waited. To me, it's just plain selfish (although I don't think Casey intended it that way) to take someone else's time to shine and make it about you.
The last minute explosion was ok but such an after thought... It's like they were writing a normal episode and suddenly realised it was actual the season finale...
Agreed. Plus, it just overall seemed obvious from the minute they pulled up that something major had to be happening there...I mean, they wouldn't exactly end the season on a tiny fire that nobody could even see from the outside.
That said, did the boarding school fire seem a little TOO big to anyone?? That entire ginormous building was completely engulfed! I'm not claiming to be a fire expert or anything, but I would think some considerable time would have had to pass for it to be that far gone. Either the teachers waited an hour to make the 911 call, or else maybe it took the firefighters an hour to get there.... (there WAS a weird segway around that part, where it was light outside, then suddenly dark, and then light again...)
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With this whole thing coming up now about Jin trying to hunt up info on Voight's computer to hand over to TPTB, I'm really surprised no one mentioned digging through ERIN'S electronics instead. He's a man in his fifties; do you really think he's texting Olinsky his every thought? Does he have every movement on an Excel sheet? Overall, many men in that demographic, especially ones like Voight who are not really office workers (I doubt that he would ever really use a computer at work except to fill out case paperwork or maybe to email within the district, etc.) are not really good typists and just not "into" the whole thing, as they didn't grow up using it and didn't really need to learn as adults. (Dad, I'm lookin' at you...)
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So, we're finding out in bits and pieces now that TPTB are somehow threatening Jin's family if he doesn't act according to the way they want. What do you speculate the situation is here?
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Does anyone else believe that Voight was only looking for an excuse not to promote Burgess? IMO he would never have replaced a man on his team with a woman, thus he chose Atwater. He only used Ruzek as an excuse, but had there been no such situation, he would have made up some other reason. We know from his recent conversation with Erin that he does not think women can handle themselves without men (e.g. when he told Erin to go with Antonio and she insisted on Sumner, which he nixed as she insisted her admit WHY...and he did).
We've seen clearly that while Erin does a lot of the work with the men, she does not do EVERYTHING they do...Voight holds her back. Whether that's because he loves her and wants to protect her, because she's a female, or a combination of both, is unclear. But it's definitely there to some degree in every episode.
I think that while Voight admires Burgess' intelligence and guts, he would utilize her IN ADDITION to his existing team, but never IN PLACE of a man.
Thoughts?
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My personal thought is that Erin never truly dealt with her issues, but rather left/was taken from them -- when the Voights took her, they moved her to a new school, to new friends, and tried to have her start over. But I doubt any of those things ever left her heart or mind. As she told Jay on high school reunion night, she doesn't know why, but those girls' bullying in high school still bothers her...and I imagine that was fairly mild compared to much of the rest of her past.
Ideally someone like Erin should have gone to a psychiatrist of some kind, but I doubt she did. For one thing, she wouldn't have, and for another, I doubt Voight would've seen it as a good thing. Erin no doubt would've been afraid of his thinking it made her "weak."
But, as we all know, there's only a certain amount of time a person can keep going forward, ignoring the past, before they simply can't do it any longer. No one is that strong, especially when faced with people or situations from then that trigger their old self and memories. I'm really not surprised to see Erin breaking.
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Because apparently someone among TPTB decided all Hispanic people are alike...
Jon Seda who plays Antonio is Puerto Rican; Monica Raymund who plays Gabby is half white and half Dominican. Thus, they look VERY different, i.e. Gabby is much darker.
But they've had Antonio mention twice on Chicago PD that he's Dominican, so apparently they are trying to back-pedal and make things "fit," though they really don't too well.
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What on earth is this thing that Erin supposedly still "owes" Charlie for? If anything, he owes HER - he didn't even know he had a kid til Erin let him know.
Is it possible that perhaps "Annie's" child is actually Erin's? Normally I'd say that's a bit far-fetched, but with this show, who knows?
Maybe he means something rather darker, such as Erin owes him for allowing her to leave their world and go to Voight...or even that she owes him for not killing her, or even for not killing Voight.
It's weird, to say the least.
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Except, LittleIggy, TPTB made a point of highlighting on Chicago Fire that Otis' Russian language skills weren't too good. IIRC, there was an episode where Otis' cousin Zoya came from Russia and began bartending at Molly's. She wanted to bring something to the bar, and according to Otis, it was some bizarre item that no one could figure out why she'd want to bring. Then, it turned out that Zoya had - for who knows what reason - some kind of really important sports trophy, and THAT was what she wanted on display at the bar. Basically, Otis had totally missed the boat on what the woman was trying to tell him. He even said himself, rather sheepishly, that his Russian was "kind of rusty."
THIS is the guy we want translating important information from Russian??
On another front, what on earth is this thing that Erin supposedly still "owes" Charlie for? If anything, he owes HER - he didn't even know he had a kid til Erin let him know.
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No, Severide had specifically mentioned that the whole family had moved...
Otherwise, if it had been just Katie, she would probably have gone to NY. IIRC, there had been a possibility of her moving there with someone she knew who was planning to start a restaurant and wanted her help in getting it established, once she had graduated the culinary program.
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You know, it hit me this afternoon that in having their parallel universe Chicago PD having two episodes past Fire's finale (tonight and next week) they've kind of screwed themselves with this "dramatic cliffhanger finale." For one thing, Severide is among the missing, and he is Lindsay's boyfriend. Are we seriously to believe that for two weeks, this girl isn't going to say a single word about his fate? She would likely find out within hours, and thus WE would find out...not in September, for heaven's sake.
I'll bet that's the way it will go, though, since it's really the only way TPTB could play it out...but after all the crossing over all season, it really makes NO sense.
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Who is Chase? Do you mean Casey?
I too wish they'd bring Katie back. IMO it was a cop-out, having her leave like that. Yeah, I get that she needed to heal, but, A, simply moving to another state isn't going to erase your memories of the terrible things that happened to you, and B, would the entire FAMILY just up and move like that? In today's economy, without jobs, with two younger kids to support, etc? Not only was that not very realistic, but it robbed viewers of the follow-up of the storyline. TPTB could have done a lot with Katie still, rather than reduce her aftermath to Lindsay asking Severide about her as a passing line.
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Unfortunately, A, he already has, numerous times that we've seen/heard just this half-season alone...Justin's "buddy" Catalano; Browning; it's implied they will when they catch Pulpo again; etc. And, B, I really can't see what other option there might be in a case like this. Do you really think a guy like this Charlie, if he decides for whatever reason he wants "his" girl back (despite being told to stay out of the STATE she's in) would simply back off because he's told to?
IRL (and if these folks weren't police) someone like Erin would probably end up getting a restraining order against Charlie (presuming, of course, she doesn't already have one). But sadly, I think we all know how that usually ends. A person gets the restraining order, and then they end up killed anyways, because of course you can't punish someone until AFTER they have committed the crime. I'm sure Voight and Olinsky know this all too well, and will thus act accordingly.
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Well, don't forget the show we're watching here! If they could take someone like Voight, the way he was initially introduced on Chicago Fire, and given him even an iota of heart here, then I have no doubt someone like Jin could easily be given some kind of reason for why he's acted the way he has.
From the start, this show has let us know without a doubt that there isn't a lot of loyalty between the various divisions and individuals in the world of the police. People won't stop at anything to get what they want. They will find a person's weak spot - and everyone has one, even Voight, if you look closely enough. So I wouldn't at all be surprised to find out that Jin has a father who is maybe suffering from some rare and/or expensive illness, perhaps even outside the U.S., where the odds of his survival and recovery aren't very good. Who could blame someone in that position, having a loved one dying or seriously ill, choosing to act in a less than stellar way if it meant getting the help that loved one desperately needed?
No matter what, I guess we'll find out soon enough...Regarding Ruzek...I really don't know if he truly loves/loved Wendy and then stopped for whatever reason, or if he liked her well enough and simply let things progress to a point where he realized how unhappy he truly was. The latter happens way more often and more easily than you might think. Two people meet, go on a date, like each other, so they go out again. Next thing you know, they're seeing one another regularly. What happens next after a time but to move in together? So they do. Then one or the other starts to push for the next step, marriage. And you might suddenly realize you don't really want to do that, but somehow you've gotten to that point and you really have to think hard about what you want to happen. In Ruzek's case, it's also difficult for me to tell if it's actually Kim herself that he prefers to Wendy, or if Kim was merely the wakeup call for him to realize he isn't comfortable with the direction his life's heading in.
Time will tell, of course.
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Some stills released from this episode:
http://www.screenspy.com/tv/images-chicago-pd-season-finale-beautiful-friendship/
I keep pondering on the episode title, and what's been said thus far about the storyline. Given how tight Jay and Erin seemed in the beginning of the season, and how distant they've gotten recently, especially since Severide's been on the scene, I'm really hoping that perhaps Erin being in potential trouble and needing the help of Voight (and likely the other men) may be the very thing to solidify their friendship. One of the images shows Halstead and Lindsay talking seriously, and another shows Jay equally serious with Ruzek. I like to think that at this point, everyone knows to some extent what Erin's past entails, though they never discuss it - the proverbial elephant in the room, if you will - and that now they will be willing to come together to save one of their "family."
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NBC officially posted stills from this episode on their website (I don't think that would be considered spoilers, would it, any more than promos aired after an episode?)
http://www.nbc.com/chicago-pd/photos/sneak-peek-the-docks/1712291
Of the six photos, two particularly interest me - one with Voight and Halstead looking like they're talking intently, and another where Lindsay and Halstead are working with Otis at the firehouse. Of the former, I like to think that the two men are coming together, pooling resources to help save Erin from a potentially dangerous situation; and of the latter, I like seeing Lindsay and Halstead working together again, after seeming so awkward for a while and often being split up to work with other detectives. I also like that Halstead's being integrated into the firehouse with Lindsay.
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05/21/2014 (10:01PM - 11:00PM) (Wednesday) : THE INTELLIGENCE UNIT IS TRULY FAMILY IN THE SEASON FINALE – Atwater (LaRoyce Hawkins) is settling into his new gig on intelligence as Antonio (Jon Seda) is relegated to desk duty while recovering. Lindsay (Sophia Bush) finally realizes she has no way out and confides in Voight (Jason Beghe) for help. Meanwhile Jin (Archie Kao) is confronted about his secret meetings with Stillwell (guest star Ian Bohen). It all comes to a head in the season finale. Jesse Lee Soffer, Patrick John Flueger, Elias Koteas, and Marina Squerciati also star. Amy Morton, Stella Maeve and Billy Wirth guest star.
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"Disturbing cliffhanger" about Voight in Season 1 finale --
The first thought that popped into my brain was that Voight kills Charlie. Essentially, we know he's capable of doing whatever it takes to protect to his kids; he just did it to help keep Justin safe. So why not for Erin?
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Right, me too.
We know that if his high school girlfriend's family is in Chicago, that's where he also grew up. Presumably he still has parents or siblings around?
We also know that he was friends with Antonio Dawson prior to joining Intelligence, and in fact the friendship was strong enough that Antonio put himself out there to vouch for Jay to Voight in this elite unit.
Also, we know that Jay dated Gabriella Dawson for a short time. However that happened on Chicago Fire, last year, so I really don't know if that's still considered canon as his character was being introduced to viewers at that time, or if it's been retconned since.
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Don't forget, Antonio was shot last year; however it was on Chicago Fire, so we just saw his sister Gabby's reaction, not his colleagues or his wife/kids (because, presumably, TPTB hadn't invented a backstory for him yet, lol).
S01.E15: A Beautiful Friendship
in Chicago PD
I dunno...while overall it was a good enough season finale, esp. for a show that only had a half season, it didn't really meet what I had been expecting. Somehow Jin's death, while something of a surprise, wasn't too much of an impact, simply because we didn't really know the guy. He barely spoke, except to come running into a room with some techie info, about once an episode, until the past couple of weeks when we learned he was meeting with Stillwell. And then, to learn that he was going through all this just to protect his dad from gambling debts?? I get being loyal to family and all, but still...
I did like the parallel of young Lindsay having been helped by Voight to the person she is today, being kind of mirrored by young Nadia coming out of rehab, ready to start a new life courtesy of Lindsay. It was subtle but definitely there, and gave a bit of a hope in an otherwise dark episode. It seems to me she'll become their civilian secretary next season.
I also liked how everyone had Lindsay's back, especially Voight. She was so clearly afraid that his love and support for her was conditional, that despite all the terrible things he already knew about her, there was a limit to how much he'd take before separating himself from her. But no, nothing changed. He just took her in his arms and comforted her in a fatherly way, which I think was a huge weight off her shoulders. Something tells me that Lindsay has long worried about this, i.e. Voight tiring of her, or perhaps learning too much and becoming disgusted, that he doesn't feel the same loyalty to putting up with her crap like he would his own biological child. But he does and showed her as much.
The moment between Lindsay and Halstead...seriously, could we not have gotten ONE hug at the end??